now that the dust has settled, what went wrong?

>>32229756
Not much to do in Johto, most new mons available only after the E4 or right before Red (hello Larvitar), two new types hyped much when exactly 2 (two) are available before Kanto : Magnemite, a gen 1 pokémon and Umbreon, an evolution of a gen 1 pokémon.
Forgetable gym leaders (aside Whitney and Sandra for meme reasons and Jasmine).
ALSO THAT FUCKING LEVEL CURVE HOLY SHIT

Kanto is a barren place where there's nothing to do, oh well I guess there's another 8 gym leaders that just fucking sit in their gym all day like in Johto.


So while it isn't the worst game, it has a fuckton of flaws.
And sadly, remakes did everything the same.

>>32229756
Johto is a shit tier region because GF wanted to include "muh Kanto."

But Kanto is a barren wasteland, so you end up with two unfinished regions instead of a full one. Not to mention no consistency between wild mon levels and trainer levels until you hit Kanto.

At least they fixed Kanto in HGSS... but Johto is still a garbage region filled with shitmons.

>>32229756
lol we're still in the honeymoon phase, not going to get any objective statements for this game for a while

>>32229756
No games have introduced so many improvements and innovations among the previous instalment like GS did after RB. There was more to be improved on then, but there are exponentially more resources available now.

People criticize GS Kanto for being barren, and they are right. But this was a time where GF tried to do more even though there were limitations and pushed in what they could. I haven't seen much of that attitude since.

>>32229756
They've aged poorly. Not just in terms of technology, but starting with RS rebooting the series, what one expects from a Pokemon game is quite different.

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>>32232158
RSE was a terrible way re-start for the series.

>>32229756
Literally time and console limitations. There's only so much you can do with a freaking GBC in the year 2000. For the most part they are still the best games in the franchise, and are the most innovative by far even today.

>>32229756
They're too old.

>>32232415
RSE are great games and Hoenn is amazing

too many kanto mons in johto while some johto mons aren't even catch-able until kanto and other post-main game areas.

>>32233921

Lol

>>32229756
you were born in the wrong time

Too much kanto pandering

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>>32229756
>now that the dust has settled

That's not how it works chuckle fuck

Some of the TMs were complete shit.

I get that not every TM is meant to be Earthquake-levels of good, but Defense Curl should not be wasting a slot, neither should Nightmare.

>>32229820
Steelix was available before Kanto, at it was in Crystal.

>>32229756
Terrible region layout
Terrible new Pokemon
Baby Pokemon
"""""Mail"""""
Abusive HM requirements
Huge rehash of gen 1 from Pokemon to characters to plot
All major opponents use primarily Kanto Pokemon
Dark and Steel type extremely unbalanced
Awful level curve
Awful starters
Rehashed legends
>>>/r/unning Pokemon

Seriously roaming legends have to be the biggest cancer ever and I'm glad as fuck they're gone. Loved Gold and Silver on release, still think they're better than HGSS but boy do they have some flaws.

>>32234746
>it's a gen 1 sequel
>too much pandering

I don't like these games that much but some of the "flaws" you guys come up with are pretty stupid.

>LEE LOW LEVELLING SO HARD TO GRIND LMAO
>XD LEE FORGEDDABLE GARAGTERS
>GAN'T GATCH NEW MONS EARLY IN GAME DOE
>DEM BABBY POGEMON AMIRITE?

You'd have to be retarded or autistic to think these are objective problems.

>>32229756
The dust settled 20 years ago you fucking dongus

>>32234952
>implying the issue with the low levels isn't the unusually intense ease of the game it causes which people also complain about with Gen VI which most accept as a flaw of it
>implying that new Pokemon not being available before the credits, which people also complain about in DP, isn't bad

People who say the level scaling is bad because of grind are just parrots and sheep

For me, other than the low levels, it's definitely the Johto Pokemon locations, and especially how little focus is put upon them. People complain about Kalos and Alola having few new Pokemon, but at least major characters and bosses consistently use at least one of them. Half the Johto Gym Leaders don't at all, while the game's Champion doesn't either. Doesn't help that so many of the new Pokemon were obtainable way later than they should or during the Kanto stretch. I loved GSC as a kid, but even then I felt the placement and usage of the Johto Pokemon was a massive flaw. While it gave the rare ones a sense of mystique, most of them weren't strong or interesting enough to warrant this.

>>32234952
>le misspelling words is teh totally epic
Sure is Reddit in here.

>Lack of original mons
>Lack of ghost/ice/dragon/dark/steel mons
>Evolution stones are pure random
>LEVEL CURVE

I can forgive Kanto for being naked since it's a miracle it even made it into the game

>>32235688
Actually ya, why do so many Johto mons evolve at level 25?

>>32235649
technically dust settled 18 years ago

>>32232415
>RSE was a terrible way re-start for the series.
It was the best way to go about it given that it rekindled interest after gen 2 dropped the ball midway

>>32235939
Poor level scaling

>>32229828

Kanto's inclusion had nothing to do with Johto's quality.

Johto itself was actually at risk of getting trimmed down as they were running out of space but Iwata's compression gave them enough space to let them fully include Johto and throw in a trimmed down Kanto as a bonus.

>>32236129
Stop this meme