What went wrong?

It lost speed

>>32208544
No fire punch or blaze kick. Or any moves to deal with water types.

>>32208544
everything

>>32208544
/vp/

>>32208544
>Incineroar = good in VGC/Doubles
>Primarina = good in UU/BattleSpotSingles
>Decidueye = ???????????

>>32208544
He's not a real macho man.

at least he'll get the intimidate + u-turn combo once it's released

>>32208562
no one's talking about the other starters, dumb shitposter

>>32208562
>Incineroar = good in VGC/Doubles
???????????????

>>32208632
I am
>>32208635
Indeed

>>32208562
owlman is good for triple battles, obviously

>>32208632
Shouldn't have made a shitpost thread in the first place then.

He has useless points in Special Attack. Same with Decidueye.

Incineroar has actually been growing on me. If his speed wasn't so bad he would be a pretty good mon.

>>32208737
nasty plot tho

>>32208544
>Shit name
>Looks like a sonic character
>Bad movepool
>Waste of a fire starter
>Not being a dark/fighting Hawlucha counterpart
>Nerfed Arcanine

What went right?

>>32208544
Not a goddam thing.
GatoMuerte was a total bro on my first sun runthrough

Is incineroar belt really made of fire? i want to touch

>>32208562
>Incineroar = good in VGC/Doubles
I think you confused incineroar with arcanine anon
Don't blame you. Both stripey fire types that furries seem to be obsessed with

everything about its design, theme, and animations

>>32208544
Absolutely nothing

>>32208544

speed, bad movepool otherwise it's have bulk similar to latios, high attack and healing, I assume that it was designed to use revenge and leech life and dd lariat while banded, orbed, seeded or swords danced + intimidate with max hp and atk with nature for sp. def minus sp. atk

>>32209339
>seeded

anon... be careful

>>32209339

misty terrain+ misty seed+ bulk up+ swagger+ focus energy+ thief for razor claw+ good partner = gg with criting hard

>>32209382

more like swords dance+mat block+protect and swap for the scarfed healing pulse partner

>>32208844
doesn't do shit if you have fuck all special moves

Hands. Not evoking Tiger Mask enough with color placement.

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>>32209478
>shiny just replaces the black with white and makes it look like a clown
>we could have gone full on face and had yellow instead or as well

>>32208544
Papyrus pose

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>>32208544

? I'm fucking moron when it comes to EV's and stats

>>32209600

it should deal 936 damage+ stab but I don't know hoe accurate it is in real...

>>32209518
>one litten two babies

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>shiny colors are absolutely garbage
>his Hidden Ability is genuinely good but there's no way to access it
>his second signature move Throat Chop is learned through Heart Scale instead of leveling for some fucking reason
Just some minor gripes, but gripes nonetheless.

>>32209634
>that disgusting clash of colors
What was gamefreak thinking?

>>32209660
DUDE CLOWNS LMAO

>>32209600

Checked now, maybe it should have bigger EV's in atk,
it should KO everything that isn't bulky and don't have type advantage, yet it's probably good to deal with 1-2 mons in doubles

speed fucked it in the ass

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>>32209732

plus type meta; everywhere faries, water types, rock/ground types + fighting moves

>>32209634
stop falseflagging

>>32208544
Nothing. She`s perfect

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>>32209767
>muh falseflagging
Quit assuming anyone who doesn't agree with you is on a quest to make you look like the worst individual alive.

>>32209767

if it only had burn up then you can keep using assault vest + acupressure users/healing for memes

>>32209767
I don't think you know what falseflagging means.

>>32209793

you are clearly 16y old, this level of argument is just...

>>32209807

>burn up incineroar

>it having razor claw+focus energy+better moveset+bulky fast support

anon...

Would it be better if its speed and special attack were swapped?

>>32210080
Gamefreak would never min-max a pokemon's offensive stats by that much.

>>32208562
Decidueyes will be the rep of the anime, that's it's position.

It is the most popular, so I can't see how GF can mess this up.

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>>32210136
Agreed!

>>32210080
Barafags are still stupid, the only guy who needs to swap his special attack with speed is Decidueye. At least incineroar is bulky and does more damage, what exactly makes Decidueye excel the other two.

>70 speed

Literally torracat is faster then that. GF fucked up Decidueyes stat spread on purpose, did I forget to mention that Decidueye doesn't learn any special attacking moves by level up. You can see where I'm coming from here right.

>>32210140
>Comedy relief fag is that you?

>>32210179
Comedy relief bad grammar anon is that you?

>>32210241
Tisk Tisk,

Silly comedy relief fag, you can't call me the comedy relief if I'm not as funny as you and your headcanon.

>>32210359
But you are funny. Seeing you quote everyone and accuse them of samefagging is always hilarious.

>>32210172
Dude, they screwed all three Alola starters. The only starter that isn't middling at best since Gen IV is Greninja and to a lesser extent Primarina. All nine introduced in the past decade except Greninja were given either shit statspreads, shit HAs, shit movepools or a combination of those things.

Incineroar's special attack is 80. Even then, every little bit of speed counts even if it would still be ten points below Torracat. It'd make a useless stat less useless at the expense of another useless that that isn't worth anything.

Both Decidueye and Incineroar need that treatment. They can't use their special attack, they never will, and even if swapping them with their speed stats doesn't do much, it's still a little nudge towards something and that's better than nothing.

Fuck, if every starter had the same BST at each stage, they could get some serious buffs to help them out. Swampert's got the highest at 535, and there are some like Venusaur are at 525, ten points below. In some cases, minmaxing might be the only hope those guys get.

>>32208635
>>32209023
Incineroar teams have gotten tops in some tourneys.

Impressive for a Pokemon with pretty much no ability. Intimidate will only make it even more of a beast.

>>32208562
Good in design

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>>32210560
Agreed! I love her!

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>>32208852
>dark/fighting typed starter
everything else you said is right though

>>32208556
Why would you need those with Fire Blitz?

>>32210560
That's no exclusive to it

>>32208544
You were born.

>>32208562
Best design. Also, Decidueye too is good in UU. It's not as good as Primarina but it's still ranked higher than Alomomola, Conkeldurr, Haxorus, Kyurem, Chandelure, Cresselia, Feraligatr, Metagross, Necrozma, Snorlax, Crawdaunt, Heracross, Porygon2, Milotic, Tornadus, Kingdra and a bunch of other threats. Pretty good for a Pokemon that was supposed to be complete garbage.

>>32210951
Second best design.
And I don't know, some of the Pokémon you mentioned are RU and yet people on the forums suggest lowering its rank (which I don't agree with, actually, I think B is just right for it) because it's a wallbreaker that can't break through the most common wall in the tier, Clefable

>>32210928
For bulky sets with intimidate.

>>32210951
>best design
Subjective

>good in UU
Not as good as you think, its outclassed but a lot of things as a wallbreaker, and Tsareena as a bulky hazard control grass type, it's usage is also not that high.

>>32210928
So it doesn't fucking die.

>>32210951
>best design
That's the Sea Lion, you dingus
Decidueye itself is a good Pokémon and Spirit Shackle is a great move, it's just that the meta is really not nice to it with stuff like Bisharp and Clefable being able to easily switch on it and persuit trap/setup on it. Mega Sharpedo and Scizor being so popular don't help either.

I fucking hope that Incineroar drops to PU just to spite you fucking falseflagging Barafurfaggotshitheads. Kill yourselves.

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>>32211110
and this

>>32211124
WEIRD AS FUCK

>>32208544
It's a furry.

>>32210398
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

See look, your making me laugh already. It's good to see your doing your job properly comedy relief fag.

>>32211124
PAJAM WEARIN BASKET FACE SLIPPER WIELDIN

>>32210435
No realy, incineroar doesn't need the ads speed boost,

That's like giving swampert a speed boost, he's bulky, and hits hard, but if he had even a little tweeks to his speed, he's just be a garchomp, and plus incineroar will get the hidden ability intimidate,

Bulk, hits hard, intimidate, literally this thing doesn't need a to swap it's special attack for speed. Reminder that it's belt is the thing that makes it unique, it's the only thing that shoots fire, or the only thing that makes it pretty much a fire type, but yet Decidueye on the other hand could actually use the special attack and speed swap. If you really think about it, we don't have any speedy physical attacking grass mons. And to be honest I thought Decidueye was going to fill that role, but then they Fucked up His stats, he doesn't even learn any special attacking moves by level up, but incineroar does.


Literally Decidueye needs the swap the most.

>>32211472
You do realize one of the reasons Incineroar isn't doing too hot in singles now is it's low speed, right?
Incineroar's type is good offensively not defensively, but it doesn't get the moves or the speed to preform that role effectively.
But you were right about fucking up the stat spread, but for both starters, it's a crime that LITTEN speedties with Decidueye and outspeeds Incineroar.

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>>32208544
Its lacking movepool and should of had its sp atk and speed stat reversed

design is subjective

>>32211503
It being slower compared to Emboar is just sad, was hoping Incineroar's Speed and SP atk stats were both swapped

>>32210435
It'd be nice if the starters actually got treated equally and in terms of BST it's just odd that Swampert is the one with the highest as of yet.

Member back with 5th gen and the starters were hyped and all of them were lost opportunities, wish Serperior was Grass/Dragon or at least part Poison type and had better offensive stats than just the same as a Bellsprout/Oddish.Or just reversed Defensive and Offensive stats.

Emboar just shouldn't had been another Fire/Fighting type starter, just a pure one or another type of combination and dem min-maxed stats aren't that great.

I have not particular comment on Samurott, except it would had been better of as a dual typed mon.

Among the Alola starters it's only Primarina that probably turned out as people expected stat-wise, though that 126 base sp attack was surprising to see. And Decidueye wish it could trade its sp atk with its speed stat.

>>32211084

Zu ni norunjanai

>>32211610
Those guys' stat issues weren't helped by the attempt to make them mixed attackers.

>>32208544

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7doublesuu-555315674

it hits hard but is slow and can die easily

that went wrong

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>terrible design
>signature attack is him doing civilian pose

>>32209767
>waaaah everyone who disagrees with me is falseflagging!!! I don't understand how anyone else could possibly have a different opinion than me because I have autism.

Enjoy your bara furfag ronald mcdonald cat.

>>32214270

this is not a problem

THIS is a problem

Incineroar's move Double Team is banned by Evasion Moves Clause.

Bulky set with intimidate with;
Mat block+ substitute+double team+protect/swords dance+darkest lariat/flare blitz+ support

>>32214416
Will owlcucks ever stop being triggered by everything?

>>32211436
Don't get mad no one believes your false theories on Rowlet and muh battle royale theory when it's proven Litten is the best starter for Ash.

>>32211110
Decidueye is more a human in a birdsuit than Incineroar is a human in a catsuit.

Owlcucks just get triggered hearing that, even if it's an objective fact.

Sigh. Silly owlcucks.... when will they learn?

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THE NEXT JOKER TO CALL ME TONY IS GETTING A TASTE OF MY COMPLETE BREAK FIST!

>>32208562
>Best design of the starters
>Best False Swiper of all time (False Swipe and and cant be exploded by geodudes or hit by normal/fighting type attackes) in general

Really useful especially with the new way of EV training

>>32214660
>>Best design of the starters
Weak answer, I and many others disagree.
I guess it's good for shiny hunting?

>>32214670
Decidueye the best design? Not by a fucking longshot.

Human in a birdsuit, ugh.

>>32214670
>>32214680
>Tranny faggot seal
>Sausage fingered Tony the Tiger for bara faggots

>>32214680
I like it. I just don't think it's the best or that it could be considered objectively the best.
>>32214687
Good arguments

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>>32214687
Oh shit you got me

People have to just ignore bara fags and tranny fags opinions, because they are all wrong and even they know that their taste is shit.

>>32214776

except that owl bros are the same person

>>32214660
>Best False Swiper of all time (False Swipe and and cant be exploded by geodudes or hit by normal/fighting type attackes) in general


The fuck nigga? Get a Parasect with Damp so you can actually catch those Geodude. Sword's Dance, False Swipe, Spore

>>32214804
Decidueye is still a better false swiper

>>32214823
Oh ok.

You really won me over with those hot facts and examples

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>>32208562
>Incineroar = good in VGC/Doubles
Oh, yes?
Then, where is he?

>>32214835
I'm glad you see it my way

>>32208562

Decidueye is good for TCG pairings with Lurantis or Vileplume.

>>32214837
>it didn't make the top 30 in this specific tournament
>it's not good lol

>>32214868
>specific tournament
It was the same rulers as VGC

>>32214837
>>32214895
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH BARAFAGS ETERNALLY BLOWN OUT NO ARGUEMENT FUCKING REKT OWLBROS WING AGAIN
>>32214868
FUCKING KILL YOURSELF WE WON YOU SHITTY BARAFAG

>>32214895
But this is the usage of a specific tournament.
Beside Incineroar is the one missing the most tools to function, both intimidate and coverage moves, due to poor typing and speed, but if you want to see more Incineroar try showdown VGC, people usually experiment more there.

>>32214913

how old are you? this is GF fault they are allowing ultras and tapus ect. this is completely pointless

>>32214921
>>32214946
wow barafags are only damage control mode now, looking for non valid excuses to defend their shitty starter

This is getting sad.

>>32214961

>shitty starter

alakazam can die from ONE physical hit

so

>>32214172
It'd be helpful for both Decidueye and Incineroar to just trade their respective sp atk stats with their speed stats, Deci with 100 base speed and Incineroar with base 80 would of been nice

>>32214961

you are so sad, incineroar lacking in good move set or items that will cover his speed weakness

it's shit ONLY because of that, did you saw it's stats? it's have 90 def and sp. def 95hp while greninja have; 72/67/71 but it have high sp.atk, atk and speed

>>32214974
>>32215021
>L-Look at muh strawman!!!
>I-It would be good if it had move/statspread X/Y
You are the sad ones here, you delusional Barafags.

>>32214837
Check the VGC 2017 usage on showdown.
It's 52 with 1.43 usage, primarina is 72 with 0.35, decidueye is 86 with 0.21

>>32215068
Barafags looking for ways to use their shitty furfaggot cat doesn't count. New toy effect. Its usage will drop soon, you retarded Barafag.

>>32215043

it have high HP, atk, def,sp.def but shitty speed and movepool, this is not even bad

>>32215084
Explains why Decidueye is losing usage in UU.

>>32215092
Decidueye is easily OU material, normie retards are just too dumb to use it.

>>32215068
This is the most recent one, rating 1500 and above on Showdown:
| 50 | Incineroar | 2.51987% |
| 64 | Primarina | 1.06945% |
| 76 | Decidueye | 0.70149% |
I don't think anyone disagrees that Incineroar is the best in doubles. Both it and Primarina will get a bit more popularity once their respective HA will get released.

>>32215107
>Both it and Primarina will get a bit more popularity once their respective HA will get released.
Unless it somehow gets Boom Burst, Primarina's HA does fucking nothing.

>>32215127
Liquid voice hyper voice is better than sparkling aria, it's doesn't hit your own mon and doesn't cure burns.

>>32215127
If we are talking about VGC, that's incorrect. Primarina will be the only Pokémon with an accurate Water type spread move that hits both opponents and not your partner. That combined with Dazzling Gleam give it a pretty interesting niche in having 2 different strong, stab spread moves, a nice typing and very high Special Attack. It's hard to say if that's enough to make it worth using in this format, though.

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>>32215084

>barafags

>greninja only have bigger speed + movepool and type advantage

>>32215160

this incineroar set is not relevant, I'm testing mat block+greninja support, greninja set is copied form OU analysis

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>>32215160
>comparing Incineroar and Greninja
Dark bros work together.

>>32215197
Shove that autistic edgelord typing up your ass, barafag.
>>32215160
>>32215193
And you two are not even trying anymore.

>>32215193

because of speed current meta rapes incineroar so hard, but in doubles it have big potential, GF fucked up everything

>>32215220
What's the matter anon? Why are you upset? Do you need a friend to talk to?
But you just don't have any, poor thing, maybe you should leave your mom's basement and go outside for a while.

>>32215253
t. buttmad barafag

>>32215127
>>32215139
>>32215151
Right, we were only talking about doubles... My mistake. But Liquid Voice is shit in singles though, agreed?

>>32215277
Yes, unless Boomburst happens.

>>32215277
Agreed. Unless Primarina gets Boomburst, it indeed is worse than torrent. Torrent itself is better than it seems, being bulky and all, at least.

>>32208544
it evolved

terrible speed
t. incineroar-loving barafag

>>32215326
this lol
I really like Torracat too.

>>32215220

I'm not trying hard but trying to analyze how to make it work RN, outside of shitty smogon all I can see is substitute+mat block/follow me+double team+swords dance combo with anti water-fairy-ground support

>>32215343
yep, if only it had ended up as some kind of fast puma that looks like a Persian, similar pokemon designs are better than bad pokemon designs

>>32215265
t. owlcuck

Stay mad your starter is just gonna be unevolved comedy relief.

>>32215105
>this is what owlcucks actually believe

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>>32215506
I actually dont think I would have minded Incineroar so much if it could switch from being a biped and quadroped whenever it wanted. Also if it had bulkier looking forearms, wrists and more tiger like paws.
And if it didn't have shit stats because that's what killed for me

>>32215537
>he's actually correct however

>>32215581
try laddering past 1400 with it and then say that

>>32215607
Forget it, owlcucks are just desperate and so make claims up.

I honestly feel bad for the fan base for it, except not really.

>>32215607
Well considering Decidueye is a good mon and completely usable in an OU environment I don't see the problem.

Is there any point to using its z move?

>>32215702
Other than a nuke, no.

>>32215160
>Timid
>vs Adamant

>Comparing a physical attacker and special attacker

>>32214804
>>32214660
Mew has synchronize and false swipe, I'd say it's the best false swiper.

test

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>>32215766

happy now?

same nature

>>32215785

blaziken is better, the problem is that GF cannot balance stats, for example thundurus can be one shooted by anything faster with rock slide

>>32215619
I'm a fan of it too though, best gen 7 starter imo, I just recognize it as unviable

>>32214776
This

When have furfag opinions ever mattered?

>>32214776
>>32218399
This. Owlbros proven to have best taste once again. Trannyfags and barafags BTFO

>>32216352
Kys falseflagger trying to make Decidueye look bad

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>>32214913
Top fucking kek I know right

Fucking retarded barafaggots so desperate to make their shit cat look good that they actually fucking topped live VGC tournaments with it. Based owl wins again! Kill yourselves barashitters!

>>32208544
The big hands and tiny wrists. Otherwise I think it's great. Pretty ace bromon.

>>32208544
a design that looks like a guy in a pokemon costume

>>32218545

someone link? also what set?

also look at this; http://pokemonforever.com/Thread-VGC-Best-Pokemon-Teams-In-VGC-2017-International-Championships-London

another 4th place, give it intimidate and more useful move tutors already...

>>32222643
Why is this allowed?

>>32222660
bump

Incineroar is a good pokemon

>>32215702
most powerful dark type move, but that's not worth losing a good item

>>32211503
>Incineroar's type is good offensively not defensively, but it doesn't get the moves or the speed to preform that role effectively.

Wtf.
Fire/Dark is more Defensive then fire/fighting and grass/ghost.

>And no moves,
Darkest L
Flare Blitz
Earthquake
Throt chop
Fake out
Outrage
Thrash
Leech life
Cross chop
Brick break
Flame charge(to boost it's speed)
Acrobatics?
U-turn
Shadow claw
All of these moves are at it's desposle, and we haven't even got to what it could learn from the move tutors.

And let's keep in mind that he gots >115 attack,
a good typing, good defences, and will soon get access to intimidate.

.It's a dangerous wall breaker, and if your slower or don't kill it on the first turn it's either going to kill you, Or use u-turn to do damage and go to something els,

This thing doesn't need any more speed trust me.

>>32214622
Come at me Tony the toddler.

>>32208544
Every single thing that could've gone wrong

>>32225149
When it's weak to stealth rocks, earthquake and earthpower, scald and hydro, and the fuckton of fighting moves in the meta, it's not a good defensive type, it's only good trait defensively is it's resistance to knock off and dark pulse and ice moves, but it's weakness are way more common.
As for the moves, none of the ones you listed deal with water types, and some aren't even viable (including flame charge), why would I use outrage?
As long as Incineroar is missing key coverage moves, and a better HP recovering move, it's not going anywhere in singles.

>>32208544
Its design reminds me of 1996 Space Jam, the greatest movie of all time.

Absolutely nothing went wrong. It is perfection.

>>32227412

dude, you are noob or idiot? wo the hell gonna use it against earthquake ect. user, of course it will be swapped

>>32225149

it have no speed at all... so how it have to kill something, unless it survive hit and use leech life with atk boost? I love incineroar but his stats and movepool makes completely zero sense

>>32228553

they should finally make sp. atk intimidate, or change memento to target 2 users at once, then incineroar makes sense

>>32228543
When the entire meta gets earthquake, scald and fighting coverage, it's really hard to find something to use it against.
It's even harder when these are literally the most common attacks in the game, plus stealth rocks limiting switch ins.

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>>32227412

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7vgc2017-530937390

>>32228696
>it's not going anywhere in singles

>>32228696
That's not singles though. Nobody said Incineroar isn't great in VGC.

>>32208544
That's not a lariat.

Making most Gen V mons slow was a mistake.

>>32228696
Ya, incineroar took two thunder attacks in electric terrine, by top kek, and his side kick A-riachu, knocked both of them out with one attack, took a moon blast from top lel, ended her with flare blitz, even thoe darkest L, could've still knocked it out,

Why does incineroar need more speed again?

>>32228696
Holy fuck that is a DANK strat

>>32208544
Turning Tiger Mask into a Pokémon would be a good start.

>>32228880
For singles.

>>32228904
It doesn't even matter at this point, you sall how well it took thoes attacks, you sall how much damage it could do, if that thing got anymore speed, it would be considered a garchomp, (without any 4× weakness to ice,)

Even giving him 80 speed would be pushing it.

>>32228948
80 is still low, but why are you so adamant about Incineroar not getting speed? It's a rule that bulky mons can't (and don't) need speed, not to mention the injustice of losing speed to begin with.
It's not going to horribly affect the meta, it'll just help him reach UU/RU.

>>32228696
That strategy works better with Garchomp

>>32229014
Even the flare blitz part right, because I shur garchomp could do that.

>>32229014
It would get shrekt by Lele.

>>32229041
Actually never mind. I'm retarded.

>>32229041
It MIGHT get shrekt by scarf Lele

>>32228696

basically you have to start with water mons to destroy le infiniroar in first turn, sorry but this meta is not good for fire and dark types, especially when they need power up

>>32229301

to be honest, fuck dark types weakness for fighting, also this game is retarded when it comes to balance; if you are part x type your second type won't even fucking help

>>32229315

for fairies* not fighting, fighting is only dangerous with few over used moves

>>32229301
Yeah why don't people just use poison mons to destroy le tapus in first turn? This meta isn't good for fairies bros..

>>32229371

can you read kid?

>>32229301

imo speed should be luck based 4x 25 % every turn, if the calculator will hit the 75/100 for one then it will go first, if 50/50 should be always ignored

>>32229503

or maybe 10x5 for 1

10%x5= 5 coin flips

if it hit 40%-40% then +10 for tailwind effect to outspeed

>>32229528

or maybe there's better way for speed balance, because speed is only stat that is pretty unfair

>>32215127

Liquid Voice Hyper Voice is a 100% accurate Hydro Pump that hits through Substitute.