How do we fix it?

remove fairies and lessen the distribution of icebeam to non-ice types. Then people will have to use them to stop the dragons.

>>32183463
Resist Fairy

>>32183463
>resists water and dragon

that's all, it would still be bad defensively, but the only resistance being ice itself is disgusting

>>32183463
It now takes neutral from Steel and 1/2 from Ground and Grass.

>>32183463

Stop the defensive ice type meme
Give them stronger versions of Blizzard/Ice Beam and make them learnable only to Ice types.
They now resist dragon

Give all the mons a minimum of 120 Atk/SpAtk and 120 speed

>Resist Ground
>Resist Flying
That would help it bunches to be honest. Idk if it's enough, but it would definitely help.

Resists ground, flying, and dragon, hail now boosts defense by 50%.

>>32183463
Game freak tries to make defensive Ice-types in every fucking generation.

Defensive. Ice. Types.

Defensive mons that only resist their own types and have weaknesses to common attacking types like fighting and rock. Great fucking idea, game freak.

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>>32183463

Hail increases defenses

Give out good Attack stats and Speed more often

Distribute Ice Shard more widely to Pokémon with the Attack to back it up

Give out more weakness-covering abilities and typing, maybe something like "Absolute Zero" that provides immunity to Fire and Ice, or "Crushed Snow" that halves damage from and increases both defences from Fighting attacks

Basically, cover its weaknesses znd play to its strength: being a powerful STAB

>resist water
>resist ground
>no longer weak to masquerading minerals
>ice beam TM locked to ice-types

>>32183578

Give it resistances. Why doesn't it resist water anyway?

And don't give Ice Beam to everyone and their mothers so people actually have to use ice mons if they want ice attacks.

We make a fire/ice type with 600 bst

>>32183600
And then it never gets used because it takes 50% from sneaky pebbles?

>>32183598
>>32183570
Ice melts faster in water than outside it.

>>32183623
Sneaky pebbles ate rarely used on battlespot

>>32183627
Are*

The way GameFreak set it up, you can't fix it.
There's literally no way to justify its existence other than "Water Type used Ice Beam!" and that's how it's gonna be until the end of time.

>>32183625
Ice melts faster in air than in space

Ice melts faster when you touch it than when you don't

What's your point

>>32183600
I tried to GameFreak it.
>Stats: 123/99/71/121/135/51
>Ability: Temperance, immune to all hazards

>>32183655
remove ice beam from water types.

fuck water types. They get ridiculous coverage for free.

Maybe make it resist normal and electric. Immune to water could be cool but that'd mostly benefit the water/ice types around.

>>32183670
Wonder guard already does that

>>32183463
make it better

>>32183681
Fuck i meant magic guard

>>32183661
It shouldn't resist water, that doesn't make sense.

>>32183463
se and resist against water

>Hail powers up ice type moves and ice types get the same Sp Def buff that rock types do in sand
>Ice resists ground, flying and grass
>Ice type moves done by non-ice types are weaker in power and can only freeze opponents 1% of the time

>>32183703
Ice is literally frozen water. If you cool the water down you can increase the mass of ice you have. It's not like the idea comes from nowhere.

>>32183718
no need to fuck up grass even more.

Make Freeze-Dry a TM?

>>32183722
then make it SE against water

>>32183471
t. assmad Dragonfag

>>32183731
A reasonable amount of Ice-types already get it through breeding.
And making it a TM would only nerf the type even more by giving its good attacks to mons of other types.

>>32183728
>>32183718
that and a grass resist isn't that useful.

Resisting earthquake and brave bird would be pretty great for Ice alone.

>>32183744
Disregard what I said here. only 4 mons get it through breeding. I thought it was like 15.

>>32183703
Bug shouldn't resist Fighting because... have you ever punched a bug?

Ghosts should be immune to all Physical moves because they're incorporeal

Fairies should be weak to Rock because both salts and trace iron would harm them

Poison should be super-effective against water because oil spills, pollution, acid rain

Psychic should be super-effective against Ghost because they can actually see the jerks

Dark should be immune to Poison for the same reason as it's immune to Prankster

Fairies should have more overlap with the Dark typing because historically they're mostly assholes

>>32183553
this actually makes a lot of sense

>>32183553
>ground, flying
I'm okay with this
>dragon
No. Dragons are weak to ice, it doesn't mean ice isn't affected by dragons. Whatever's happening during outrage, Twister or whatever comes out during Dragon Pulse, the strength of the dragon's attack isn't affected by the weakness of the dragon, unless it made direct contact.

>>32183731
Why are you suggesting a nerf to ice type in a thread about fixing it?

>>32183463

water immunity

Resist Ground, Water, and Flying. Defense boost in Hail.

>>32183463

water resist

get rid of ice beam as a tm

>>32183463
>resist grass
>resist ground
>resist flying
>resist dragon
>water is neutral to ice
>instead give ice-types insta-freeze move that works only on water types
>put ice shard in more ice type movepools

immune to water, resist ground and dragon, and maybe flying. while you're at it make water weak to poison, and remove water types being able to learn ice moves by default

>>32183471
t. Anally devastated Dragonfag

Removing fairy would harm ice as fighting types increase in usage

>Immune to ice
>Resist fairy
>Reist flying
>Resist ground

There you go, it's now several times more viable.

>>32183463
just one or two resists should do it. the stat distributions of too many ice types stilt defensively, but with no resists it doesn't really matter.

Ice doesn't need a ground or a dragon resist. It's suppose to be an offensively based typing.

What ice really needs is more offensive based ice type. If you see, all the offensive icemons are good, or at least have a niche, while the defensive icemons are trash.

>>32187743
Might as well make it resist bug too if it's gonna resist grass.

remove rock weakness

>>32190282
>It's suppose to be an offensively based typing.

Why do so many ice types have a defensive stat spread then?
GF either has no idea what they're doing or they're fucking this up on purpose.

>>32190282
>Ice doesn't need a ground or a dragon resist. It's suppose to be an offensively based typing.

Steel is supposed to be a defensive typing but it still has a few other types it hits for super effective damage.
Even if ice is supposed to be an offensive type it should still resist 1 or 2 other types.

>>32191849
>they're fucking this up on purpose.
honestly i think that's it

they cannot possibly have not realised the only ice types which actually see use have good attack stats + either high speed or good priority

>>32190282
fire is an offensive typing and it has more resists than any type except steel

>Give it resistances to Fairy, Water and Flying
>Hail gives a Def boost to Ice types
>Remove Ice moves from like 3/4 of Water Pokemon


Or simply stop the defensive ice type meme and start making offensively based ice types instead.

There. Simple.

>Immune to water, resists Dragon, Ground, Flying, Grass
>maybe SE against water

>>32192656
>It hits it super effectively so that means it should resist it.

>>32183530
>and make them learnable only to Ice types.

That's stupid. It's stupid AND pointless. Ice type attacks are already sufficient for attacking, it's just that the Pokémon that use them all suck.

>ice immune to water

it's the only way

also of the opinion that poison and ice should be se vs water but thats just mostly because i hate bulky water spam

>>32183463
make it resist and be strong against water.

>>32183463
Make it super effective against Fire.

>>32183738
Then what would be the point of Freeze-Dry?

>>32183758
>Poison should be super-effective against water because oil spills, pollution, acid rain
But water can dilute toxins.

>>32183463
Just make Ice resist either grass/flying/ground (at least 2 of them), make hail boost defense of Ice types, make Ice Beam's base damage 70 for every non-ice mon (or just make less water types learn it), and make an Hypnosis-type move which can freeze only aviable for ice types.

>>32183627
>battlespot
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