Can a gen 7 OU team get more generic than this?

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>no Decidueye

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>>32155179
>Decidueye
>OU

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It's missing Decidueye

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>>32155192
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>>32155166
It's missing Celesteela, so yes. It can.

whats a respectable win/loss ratio for just playing with pokes you like when this is unoriginality I'm up against

>>32155166
This team is incredibly stall weak assuming that's scarf Lele

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yes

>Legendary
>Ex-Uber
>Legendary
>Mega Pseudo Legendary
>Ultra Beast
>Island Guardian

I'm sensing a pattern here.
Just fucking ban all of it with extreme prejudice. Whatever new meta emerges with "B-but some other Pokemon would take their place!" couldn't possibly be any worse.

>>32155256
This team has incredibly bad speed control and has nothing to stop a volcarona once its set up. Should drop magearna for a 101+ speed scarfer.

>>32155224
None. Stop being a scrub and don't play competitive if you're going to whine about people trying to actually compete.

That's a terrible team. If your going to bait at least post a decent team.

Why do people layer typings?

>>32155760
Because fairy types are insanely good and it makes sense to run more than one of them? Especially since Magearna isn't affected by poison-types and is neutral to steel.

>>32155760
Because steel is the best type in the game

>>32155772
Isnt margearna only really used because mega mawile isn't taking up the mega slot?

>>32155816
It gets AV, too. But yes, once M-Metagross gets booted, Magearna will probably dissapear in favor of M-Mawile more than it already has

All legendary pokemon should be quick banned without mercy. Then give each legendary pokemon a test to see if they're not too OP. If at least 80% of the votes say that it's not OP, then it's unbanned.

This is the ideal world.

>>32155842
No fuck you. All legendaries and megas in OU should be banned

>>32155842
>muh legendary boogiemen

>>32155842
>M-Metagross, Greninja, and Garchomp now dominate the meta

Nice job.

>>32155859
Just ban M-Metagross and Greninja then. Also, Garchomp isn't OP.

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>>32155853
>Both Greninja and Garchomp: the meta

>>32155853
What's gonna keep cancerfrog in check, then?

>>32155853
you've created a meta where stall is extremely strong because most good wallbreakers are banned.

>>32155864
>Just ban M-Metagross and Greninja then

You realize you've banned more than half of OU at this point, right? And now you're just going to keep banning more and more?

Don't forget that Mega Sableye, Toxapex, Skarmory, etc. are still running amok now that you've removed some of their counters and checks.

>Also, Garchomp isn't OP.

Not with OU's current state. But now that you've banned even more of its competitors and checks, it will be.

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>>32155853

>>32155864
>>32155853
>>32155304
There's this tier called UU, you know? It's a magical place where all the "cancer" legendaries are banned and everyone is happy. If your bros aren't good enough for UU, there's also several other, even more magical tiers below UU. You don't have to destroy a tier just because you refuse to play anything lower with your team of shitmon.

>>32155842
>>32155853
I honestly will never understand why people think legendaries and megas are inherently better than everything else. A big BST isn't enough to make a mon good, hell it's not even necessary. And as good as a legendary's 570/600/680 BST can potentially be, and mega's free +100 is also appalingly high, things like mega steelix, mega audino, mega houndoom, and lgendaries like articuno, the regis, silvally and guzzlord prove it isn't enough.

Things like sableye, breloom and mawile outclassing legendaries with horrible BSTs should be enough to prove that tittle means very little when it comes down to battle capacity. A good typing, ability, move pool and or synergy between those can make a pokemon infinitely better than raw BST ever could. It is such a stupid karenfag thought to say legendaries are always better because they're legendaries.

There's specific cases of both of those being better than regular pokemon, just like there's specific cases of pokemon being better than those two. Every time I read a post saying "all legendaries should be banned" I can only think the person behind it doesn't even play competitive aside from PU matches or link battles with friends, and just got curbstomped by some little kid with 6 lunalas in the festival plaza.

/rant

tiers should be built on BST and additional bans made as necessary

normal play should cap at 550

basically the way weight divisions work in real life fighty sports

>>32155864
>just ban everything I don't like!
and then people go and complain smogon does this. This is so fucking petty and pathetic

>>32155865
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>>32155917
>>32155929
People would start to use more pokemon from lower tiers and they would rise to ou

>>32155940
no, no, absolutely fucking no. BST is never indicative of a good pokemon. When will you people learn this.

Since wer'e talking about generic teams, rate my ou team

dragonite
starmie
alolan marowak
mega scizor
ash greninja
mamoswine

>anons on /vp/ showing how shit they are at competitive: the thread

How does GF fix power creep?

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Ubers here I come!

>>32155954
Yea but Greninja, Ash-greninja and Garchomp would have >50% using ratings. And it would just become a pseudo meta.

>>32155954
If they're not using them now to counter greninja/m-metagross/garchomp, why would they start to? Lower tier mons, with the exception of stuff like Slowbro, Amoonguss, etc. can't really compete in OU.

>>32155934
you listed exceptions which prove the rule

the fact that low BST 'mons very rarely compete with legends and need completely OP things to do it (huge power, prankster, spore) just goes to show how utterly overwhelming a BST difference is and that it can only be overcome by giving the weaker 'mon something which would likely be thoroughly gamebreaking given to a legendary

>>32155954
You really don't understand how Smogon tiers' metas work, do you?

I somehow made it to 1400 with this shit team.

Zygarde
Shedinja
Celesteela
Tyranitar
Tentacruel
Tangrowth

>>32155960
>starmie and narutoad on the same team
this triggers me

>>32155981
>you listed exceptions which prove the rule
what?

>OP things to do it (huge power, prankster, spore)
Only one of those is OP, prankster and spore are just good, but easily counterable, specially in the current meta.

The point still stands, BST doesn't define a mon's capacity. The synergy between all of its aspects do. So just banning legendaries and megas is stupid, ignorant, and quite naive. That was the main point.

>>32155977
>Lower tier mons, with the exception of stuff like Slowbro, Amoonguss, etc. can't really compete in OU.

They might be able to if you remove the legendaries like that guy was suggesting. You'd probably end up inadvertently removing all of a specific mons checks/counters.

>>32155972
>>32155977
>>32155986
Then how do you suggest we make everyone use less generic teams to win?

>>32156020
You literally can't.

>>32156020
In all honesty it's simply way too hard. You can make it better than the current meta but not by much. If GF changes stats/movepools/abilities of older pokemon the meta might be less generic than the legendary/mega/UB/greninja trash we have now.

>>32155981
>just goes to show how utterly overwhelming a BST difference is
There's a certain Gorilla Armed Dragon with a BST of 700 and he's down in UU.

>>32156020
You don't. People play to win, and to do that they use the best tools available to them, it happens in every game.

>>32156020
You don't
You can't, every time there's a good strategy in a game of this style, most people will flock to it, because it's always easier and more rewarding to use an existing strategy than make your own. Unless you're very bad, or very good, you can't make new strategies.

Even then though, thanks to pokemon's quirks, there's still a lot of variability all things considered in the singles metas. It could be as bad as previous VGCs

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>This entire thread

>>32156027
>>32156039
>>32156043
So in gen 8 and beyond we should just expect more legendaries, and special snowflake forms, and,ubs (unless they are gen 7 exclusive), and stall, and garchomp to prevail in OU till the end of time?

>>32156070
yes, play lower tiers instead

>>32156077
Then why are most of my favorites in borderline hell? So if i want to use them i gotta play ou anyway.

>>32155840
Why would that happen? Aside from the typing they play completely different.

It's not like Skarmory is suddenly afraid of Celesteela taking its role, or Ferrothorn afraid of Kartana.

>>32156020
nigga there is 52 pokmon in OU right now, how much more variety do you need?

>>32156093
Wait until they drop when the powercreep rises next gen?

>>32156070
Yes, it's been like this forever. Even if GF did decide to buff/nerf everything and try to make the game balanced, it won't happen. Variety might be present for the first 1 or 2 months, but their will always be a strategy that's better/easier than the others, and people will copy it.

Have you never seen the competitive scene for any other game before?

>>32156041
>UU
So you mean old OU?

Anything above RU is at least slightly busted at this point. Power creep.

>>32156110
any other turn based strategy game before*

>>32156110
Street fighter has variety. We are finally seeing new characters and ibuki rise to the top.

>>32156115
Are you kidding? Every meta is like this. From Melee to League, it's all the same. People flock to what's best.

>>32156120
Of course there will always be outliers. Gengar, for example, thought to be dead is now a high threat in OU because it has a really good niche people just discovered. Metas do shift, but for the most part what's good stays good.

>>32156106
There isnt any variety because of tier whores like you. Who suggest that if ash greninja pheromosa a tapu or metagross arent on a team its bascially a shit team.

>>32156115
>any other turn based strategy game before*

Doesn't have to be a turn based strategy game, many games are this way, from fighting games to FPS games.

>>32156120
I haven't seen much Street Fighter to be honest, but what usually happens when something new comes along is that within a month everything will be back to the same 4-5 characters.

>>32156148
projecting a bit. I never said any of that.

>>32156171
I think the term you're looking for presuming, not projecting. I'm sure he's one of those guys who tries to use a team with Kricketune and cries when it doesn't work, pretty far from a tier whore. However, you didn't do anything that would even remotely suggest you fitting his definition and he called you one anyhow, so it's more him making assumptions without evidence.

Rate my team

Pheromosa w/ Life Orb
Keldeo w/ Choice Scarf
Magnezone w/ Choice Specs
Tapu Bulu w/ Leftovers
Landorus w/ Rocky Helmet
Alola-Marowak w/ Thick Club

>>32155316
garchomp would work

>>32156210
Post the moves, natures and EVs you fucking mong

>>32156171
Im sorry i just hate a lot without any real purpose.

>>32156227
Pheromosa @ Life Orb
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- High Jump Kick
- U-turn
- Ice Beam
- Poison Jab

Keldeo @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Justified
EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Secret Sword
- Hydro Pump
- Icy Wind

Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 128 HP / 252 SpA / 128 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Flash Cannon
- Volt Switch

Tapu Bulu @ Leftovers
Ability: Grassy Surge
EVs: 160 HP / 252 Atk / 96 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Leech Seed
- Horn Leech
- Bulk Up
- Brick Break

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 216 Def / 24 SpD / 16 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Knock Off
- Psychic
- U-turn

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fire Punch
- Shadow Bone
- Bonemerang
- Stealth Rock

I agree with the general notion that in any meta there will always be centralization, and a lot of teams will use the same mons no matter what. But you gotta recognize that a lot of the stuff in OU is retarded and more than a handful of mons deserve at least suspect.

>>32156269
Generic but okay. You lack any sort of specially defensive pivots. Get fucking rid of psychic on Lando-T, what is that doing there? Replace it with Stealth Rock or Stone Edge or HP ice for other landos, literally anything but that. Flare Blitz on Marowak over Fire Punch. Superpower on Bulu. Get a mega, too.

>>32156269
>brick break bulu
>psychic lando
you're better off with super power on bulu.
I have no idea what you're going for with that lando

>>32156297
Yeah, really. It's not like every mon needs to be OU WOW CRAZY or anything, just narrow that fucking insane power gap a little. Pokemon like Spinda or Farfetch'd shouldn't be allowed to exist in their current state.

>>32156311
>ywn live in the universe where farfetche'd is a ou mainstay

>>32156326
Again, doesn't have to be. Just bring it up to RU or low UU. Give it fucking Dodrio's stats but a little bulkier, that'd be enough.

>>32155166
Is megearna not considered a legendary and thus banned from anything but Uber?

>>32156374
...What? What was that sentence? Do you mean, "Is Magearna not a legendary, and is that why it's not banned to ubers?", in which case, it is a legendary, but not all legendaries are banned to ubers, that'd be fucking stupid. Likewise, some non-legendaries are ubers because they're way better than everything else.

>>32156326
I mean if fucking pelliper did it, it's not too farfetch'd

HEH

>>32155972

And that's where the "JUST BAN FUCKING ALL OF THEM" idea comes in. No wasting time arguing about whether or not it should go. No mercy. Everyone instinctively knows what's really a problem and what isn't.
In an ideal meta the main purpose of suspect testing would be to see if something was wrongly banned.

>>32156210
>lando
>tapu
>legendary
>UB
generic as fuck/10

>>32156425
>bulu
>keldeo
>generic

>>32156454
nigga keldeo used to be on every single team just a few months ago
and bulu is just a tapu for hipsters

>>32156425
You're right, he should run some good mons like Avalugg and Watchog instead

>>32156461
OU generic whore detected

stay assblasted

>>32156458
keldeo doesn't even have the usage to be OU.
and bulu isn't common at all.

>>32156488

thats the part when you realise its just bait

>>32156398
Can I take megearna to ratings or is it banned?

>>32157356
On showdown, sure! It's not ubers, which is what you were asking.

On cart, no you can't. It's not ubers, but GF has this retarded "no legendaries durr" policy that cuts out bad mons like Phione and Meloetta.