ITT, we fix Ledian

>even HP won't work
Why not?

>>32151426
Increase its Sp. Def so at least it can be a wall against special attacks.

Still only worthy for baton passing, will never be able to utilize Iron Fist.

While not ideal, a Mega could still work for him.

Ignore his attack rating, its a lost cause. Raise his Speed, Spa, and spdef. Give him a new ability that automatically places dual screens.

we git good. it works both as iron fist user and early bird wall.

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>>32151439
that's not enough to fix this.

How about these buffs AND Huge Power?

HP: 55 > 70 (+15)
Attack: 35 > 45 (+10)
Defense: 50
SpAtk: 55
SpDefense: 110
Speed: 85 > 105 (+20)
BST: 390 > 435 (+45)

New Hidden Ability that's just like Parental Bond, called Fourarms

Give this ability to Graveler and Machamp too

Buff its speed and give it an ability that makes all its moves hit four times to match its SM dex lore

First, bug/fairy. Or bug/fighting.

Second, it always struck me as a prankster mon as opposed to some sweeper. Not every pokemon needs to be some powerful speedy sweeper. Increase its defenses, and such.

In reality it just needs a total redo. An all new signature ability. All new signature broken moves. I honestly don't know how to fix it other than completely scraping it

>>32151473
You go anon, that might make it good enough to use in NU.

>>32151478
>Ledian still irrelevant
>Machamp is OU now

>>32151426
Don't touch the attack, and give it an ability that makes punching moves hit 4 times in a row. Secondary effects only activate on the first hit so that PUP doesn't rape everything.
>>32151463
>iron fist with that gigantic 35 attack
>wall with stellar bug/flying type and MASSIVE 55/50/110 bulk
Welcome back wolfpack.

>>32151465
Give it an evolution: with these stats:

HP: 85 (+30)
Attack: 65 (+30)
Defense: 70 (+20)
Sp. Attack: 65 (+10)
Sp. Def: 120 (+10)
Speed: 95 (+10)

Evo keeps Iron Fist as its HA. Swarm gets upgraded to fucking anying. Give it Friend Guard or something. It doesn't even matter. Early Bird can be swapped out and replaced with Vital Spirit.

Then give the Evo a Mega

Alternatively, give it a special item that causes all damage to be calculated from its Sp. Def instead of its Attack or Sp. Atk.

>>32151508
nigga Ledian doesn't learn power up punch

>>32151514
That doesn't fix Ledian, that just makes it so it will literally never be fixed.

>>32151525
Yes it does.

New ability that's like a reverse Technician.
Moves that have secondary effects with less than a 50% chance of activating get a 30% addition to its chance

>>32151508
max evs to attack + boosting nature
life orb
sword dance.

early bird means rest only waste 2 turns, and flying let it safely swtich in on eq users. bug also gives all kind of neat res like 4x to fighting with that horrible def.

>>32151531
>Giving it an evo and giving the evo a mega can't fix ledian

Then why the fuck are we even here? If injecting it with over 200 BST and changing its ability and potentially its type don't fix it then what the fuck is the point of this thread? That's like if I went to /sp/ and asked "How do we fix the New York Knicks"? That's like if I went to /sci/ or /out/ and asked "How do we fix Global Warming"?. That's like if I went to /v/ and asked "How do we fix Mighy No. 9"?

The answer to all of them is you can't without burning everything to the ground and starting over from scratch

>>32151426
All it really needs is a more diverse move pool. Maybe a slight increase to Sp. Def.

>Ability for punch moves to hit 4 times

Just ran some numbers, and that would allow him to OHKO specially defensive Skarmory with Focus Punch + Life Orb. Decent, I guess? But then SubPunch would be the only viable set.

>>32151555

>wastes 2 turns

Or you could just use roost twice over those 2 turns, and have the option of not being forced to be asleep for a turn. Sleep does have the small advantage of curing other status, but roost gets rid of the shitty flying subtype

For starters, it needs the +10 buff Ariados got this gen and then in needs to be built upon. Which stat should it go to?

>>32151616
a +10 would do literally nothing.

>>32151596
nigga, walls that can't get rid of toxic can't wall anything. prz is also crippling. not to mention that it also wakes quickly if enemy uses sleep inducing moves. (twice in the same battle it was spored and woke up same turn to act.)(yes, same turn.)

>>32151616
hp

>>32151426
Give it an item like Marowak's Thick club that doubles the attack stat. Bam it's somewhat decent.

>>32151634
Also give it an alolan form cuz whynaut?

>>32151426
Mega Ledian with Beedrill tier minmaxing and an amazing ability.

>>32151620
No shit, Sherlock. It's just the first step.

>>32151631
65
35
50
55
110
85

Honestly, I don't know why its special attack is its higher offensive stat. Swapping it with attack might achieve something until further additions.

>>32151575
I want Ledian, the Pokemon I have been attached to for seventeen years, to be fixed, not for it to be eternally useless and cast to the side for a Pokemon that vaguely looks like Ledian.

>>32151644
i thought only gen 1 mons got alolan form

>>32151634
To give you an example of how worthless that would be, it would give Ledian the attack stat of Staraptor.

That is after giving up an item slot, being slow, having a garbage movepool, and shit typing. Ledian's strongest physical STAB is goddamn Bug Bite.

>>32151663
People who prefer Growlithe to Arcanine or Scyther to Scizor realize that their Bros are garbage. Why should those be any different? Abandon this pointless pipe dream.

>>32151761
Except people bitch about Scizor all the time, and same-gen evolutions are a completely different situation from cross-gen, people haven't had years to get attached to the earlier stages, and unlike same-gen evolutions, Pokemon with cross-gen evos were not designed as "incomplete".

>>32151693
U-turn is stronger than bug bite.

The only changes I'd make to ledians movepool is to give it lunge and a physical flying stab. Otherwise the movepool isn't that bad. Thunder punch, Ice punch, Knock off, mach punch, drain punch are all great.

But youre right that its stats and typing are irredeemably shit, they just need to start over with ledian. New stat distribution, higher bst, changing it to bug/fighting or pure bug might make it not as terrible.

A signature move called Ledypunch (bug type) that works like Foul Play. Since its attack is so low it'll deal a great amount of damage, especially with IronFist.

>>32151794
I wish Scizor had a higher BST than Scyther.

A Mega is the best option, seeing as low tier garbage like Kangaskhan, Mawile, and Lopunny became actually usable.

I dunno where to go from there, though, seeing as 2 of those got really good abilities that basically justify all of their usefulness, so I dunno

Switch Sp. Def and attack

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>>32151634
Even better:Pure Power+Special item=Rapeage

>>32152201
That's the equivalent of having base 288 attack. It out raw powers mega mawile.

>>32151426
New HA
>Quadruple strike
Physical attacks have their power reduced by 25 percent, but they hit 4 times

>>32151465
75 HP
85 ATK
70 DEF
55 SP. ATK
90 SpD
110 Speed

Gets a THICC club and Leech Life.

>>32152256
thats still pretty mediocre. Why nerf this new ability you made up trying to buff a mon

>>32152266
>Leech Life.

Ah yes, ladybug bites, a common problem

Give it a gun

Give it an exclusive Z-move that raises all stats to +4, fully heals it, and halves the target's Defense. Make it work off Aerial Ace.

Give it a mega evo.

Mega Ledian

Type: Bug/Fighting

HP: 55
Attack: 35 > 75 (+40)
Defense: 50 > 65 (+15)
SpAtk: 55
SpDefense: 110 > 130 (+20)
Speed: 85 > 110 (+25)

Ability: Quadruple Punch (All punching moves hit four times but lose additional effects and do 50% less damage)

Also gets Close Combat and elemental punches by level up.

>>32152489
So effective huge power but only on punching moves IE not close combat that breaks subs.
Yeah I guess RU needs another mega

>>32152300
ah yes, porcupine bites, a common problem
ah yes, dragonfly bites, a common problem
ah yes, snail bites, a common problem
ah yes, anteater bites, a common problem
ah yes, isopod bites, a common problem
ah yes, mantis bites, a common problem

retard.

>>32151514
>Early Bird can be swapped out and replaced with Vital Spirit.
so no rest?

>>32151531
Oh hey it's you.

>>32152300
Yes cause cats sure are known to drink blood, right? Or orchids.

First, a small bst boost like other mons received in gen 6 and 7
HP: 65 (+ 10)
Attack: 35
Defense: 50
SpAtk: 65 (+ 10)
SpDefense: 110
Speed: 95 (+10)
New BST: 420

Then give it a signature move:

Starlight Punch
Bug type
Physical
100 Power
100 Accuracy
5 PP
User absorbs the power of stars then attacks punching the enemy with radiating light.
Uses Special attack to calculate damage, counts as physical for the receiving end.
Also raise user's Special Defense.l by one stage.

And then you can give it a Mega as well.

Kamen Rider themed, Bug/Fighting.

HP: 65
Attack: 5 (-30)
Defense: 70 (+ 20)
SpAtk: 115 (+ 50)
SpDefense: 120 (+10)
Speed: 145 (+ 50)
New BST: 520

Ability: Starlight Fighter
All physical moves used calculate damage with the Special Attack stat.
Starlight Punch gets a 20% damage boost (120 Power).

There, fixed. Not amazing, but definetely very good for an early route bug and usable in tiers above NU. Also no Huge Power meme and makes for a very distinct and original niche, being a mixed sweeper with a single offensive stat and solid special bulk.

I like the 4 arms ability but name it something like rapid strikes so other 4-armed mons don't seem to have thematically wrong abilities.

>>32151426
Hp: 90
Atk: 25
Def: 60
SpA: 75
SpD: 110
Spe: 85

HA: speed boost

>>32151439
252+ Atk Ledian U-turn vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Alakazam: 222-264 (88.4 - 105.1%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
As it stands, Ledian needs a Life Orb or Choice Band to guarantee OHKOing Alakazam on a supereffective hit. Fucking Alakazam. Even Huge Power isn't going to do much when you've got an attack stat that bad.

Huge Power but for SpA and a huge speed buff. There, now it's a glass Cannon and actually useful

Ledian simply needs a stat redistribution.

>>32153068
This is actually really cool, kudos

>>32151996
Well shit, this is it. It doesn't even need to be a special snowflake signature move, even just giving it Foul Play wouldn't make it great, but it'd at least make it usable.

>>32153249
Imagine that ability with lunge

you guys, you should be ashamed.
all of you, git gud.
srsly.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7oususpecttest-535386659

if a guy like ME is better at using a ledian than you, you have some issues. better yourself before changing the game.

>>32151426
Mega that gives it +100 Attack and a new Ability that gives it +1 priority to all punching moves.
>+1 Ice/Fire/Thunder/Drain Punch
>+2 Mach Punch
You're welcome

>Give Ledian an evo
>100/100/100/100/100/100
>New ability
>Motherfuck
>It boosts multi-hit attacks by 90%
>Remove Bug/Flying typing
>Replace with Steel/Fairy
>Ledian gains a sleek new appearance akin to Scizor
>Ledian now gets Judgement
>Second Ability
>Sweaty Palms
>Basically a glorified version of Intimidate
>Makes the enemy's palms sweaty
>Knees weak
>And arms heavy
>Makes the opposing trainer vomit on themselves
>Mom's spaghetti
>HA: Huge Power
>Ledian Evo gets a mega
>Mega Ledian Evo
>100/100/100/100/100/200
>Motherfuck is replaced with a new ability
>The Gold Experience
>Gives all opposing Pokemon Slow Start or Truant
>50% chance for either
>Keeps previous Steel/Fairy Typing

fixed

>>32153887
Forgot to add:
>Mega is Bug/Fighting

Just give it a treatment like they did to beedrill

>Bug/Flying --> Bug/Fairy (with movepool amendments)
>Swarm --> Shield Dust
>+20 HP, Defense

Pick two

>>32154001
I'll take number 3 and either a good signature move or Mega.

>>32153068
Damn anon, that actually sounds cool. Could you try do something similar to Ariados so both members of the pair can shine?

>Stats before
55
35
50
55
110
85
>Stats revised
20
105
20
105
20
115

Same BST of 390. It cannot switch into anything anymore, but it can revenge kill.

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>>32153865
>posting a fucking sub-1100 replay against a garbage team acting like it's proof ledian isn't total garbage itself

>>32151426
There's no way to fix Lesbian. Pathetic stats, awful typing, and a movepool more shallow and worthless than a kiddie pool, and you got, quite possibly, the worst Pokémon in the game. No amount of stat buffs will help this Pokémon, if it even gets one. Game Freak only cares about popular Pokémon, so it will be extremely rare for this Pokémon to get any thing worthwhile.
And before you say it, I know this is a discussion on how to fix Lesbian, but no matter how many suggestions you toss, it wouldn't matter in the long run. Give up.

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>>32154941
I can try.

First a +20 bst boost to match Ledian's (he already got a +10 to Sp. Def in Gen 7)

HP: 70
Attack: 100 (+10)
Defense: 70
SpAtk: 60
SpDefense: 70
Speed: 50 (+10)
New BST: 420

He already got a signature move so I'll try to improve it.
Toxic Thread stays the same but now it badly poisons the target instead of normal poison. So it's basically a Toxic + 1 Speed drop.

And now the Mega, based on the tsuchigumo and giant monstrous spiders in general, gets quite bulky with hairy legs and big fangs.

Still Bug/Poison.
Ability: Merciless

HP: 70
Attack: 110 (+10)
Defense: 120 (+50)
SpAtk:40 (-20)
SpDefense: 110 (+40)
Speed: 70 (+20)
New BST: 520

It can use its bulk to endure at least one hit and use Toxic Thread to both outspeed its opponent and cause massive damage to it next turn. Even if it's dealt with the poison will still trouble the opponent, and switches are discouraged due to his access to Sticky Web and Toxic Spikes. Shadow Sneak and Sucker Punch can give him an edge against weakened opponent even when he would be outsped.

>>32151508
It only has twice the arms of a normal fighting mon, why would it get to hit four times as much?

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New ability: Starshine
>Attack is tripled if this is the only Pokemon on your team that hasn't fainted.

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New item: Boxing Gloves. When equipped, all of Ledian's punching attacks hit 4 times.

Alternatively, this.

>>32151663
But we're giving it access to Eviolite

>>32152234
Gamebreaking, isn't it?

>>32153865
holy shit nice ledian set

>>32151426
>fix
There's nothing wrong with it though.

>>32151426
give it truant, slow start, or klutz

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Storm Silver gave ledian some good buffs that made it usable through to the E4