>570 BST >OU >600 BST >RU How do you fuck up this bad?

>>32137524
The UBs are all minmaxed to shit for competitive, it's obscene

Meanwhile Kommo-o is a slow mixed attacker with a stat distribution straight out of gen 2

>>32137524
Left were optimized because of shit typing.

Right was nerfed because of amazing typing.

They're afraid of making a new Garchomp.

Honestly, with the Ultra Beasts and Tapus taking over competitive, I doubt anyone would really notice.

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>>32137529
>dragon/fighting
>amazing typing

>>32137538
I'm glad you can read. Go ahead and share some of your keen insight on why you think it's bait.

>>32137548
can't touch fairies with its stabs

>>32137557
It's a good thing Poison and Steel coverage exist. I remember the good ol' days last gen when Garchomp was PU because it couldn't touch Togekiss and Whimsicott with its STABs.

>>32137575
See the difference is that Garchomp is an actually good pokemon with access to stab earthquake and a reasonable stat distribution, as opposed to shitto-o having access to... stab sky uppercut?

>>32137524
>slow bulky physical attacker with recover(Leech Life)
>fast frail mixed attacker
>slow bulky mixed attacker with no recover

>>32137598
Buzzwole can also roost

>>32137524
Two are minmaxed to shit and the other is "minmaxed" in the worst possible way. Low HP barely above average (mixed) defences is shit. Low speed barely above average mixed offence is shit. It's really baffling how they managed to hit that sweet spot of literally nothing being good. Then there's the fact it has no good fighting STAB making its fighting type a detriment to it entirely, giving it hugely relevant weaknesses to flying and psychic and destroying any notion of taking a fairy hit.

>>32137548
Fairies are the only reason.

Which, with Tapus running rampant, is way more than enough.

>>32137548
Weak to some of the most common types and not a ton of useful resists. Offensive coverage is pretty poor but mainly it's the shithole speed and the fact that everything in OU is either fast and strong or bulky enough to take its hits easily. It's a case of it not having a specialty, being ok ish at everything but you can never really capitalize on its strengths without being vulnerable in every other area.

>>32137607
more that kommo-o is maxmaxed, they try to make it good at everything which just results in it being really mediocre at everything

>>32137595
And that difference brings us full circle back to what I said about it being nerfed. Did you not find it suspicious Sky Uppercut was its strongest physical Fighting move or what?

>No Close Combat
>No Superpower
>No Hammer Arm

+2 LO Close Combat off a Kommo-o whose Base Attack is in the ballpark of the first 4 pseudos can OHKO Skarm (assuming Sturdy isn't intact). That's how threatening it would be.

>>32137610
Most Fairies can't switch in on a super effective hit nailing them, so something with actual Speed or a higher Atk after a DD addresses them outright.

>>32137612
>Offensive coverage is pretty poor
Dragon + Fighting hits everything at least neutrally except Fairy and stuff like Ghost + Steel, which is to say it isn't poor at all.

>>32137615
>maxmaxed
That's a good way to put it.

Kommo-o also highlights just how incredibly bad fighting type as a whole is now. if it was part steel we wouldn't be having this talk since it'd be UU at absolute worst.

>>32137646
God I'm sick of all of the maxmaxed Pokemon.

Kommo-o is fun to use if it sets up.

>>32137620
Forget SD. Have you forgotten that it learns Belly Drum? Not allot would enjoy taking a +6 CC unless your a quad resist. Soundproof ability also gives it a Hyper Voice/Boomburst immunity, which would make it the best SubSalc Drummer in the game.

>>32137690
>autotomize into z belly drum
Cant believe i lost to that still

>>32137690
>Soundproof ability also gives it a Hyper Voice/Boomburst immunity
Roar too. That's something.

>>32137646
>Kommo-o also highlights just how incredibly bad fighting type as a whole is now
Thank fuck someone finally said it

>>32137720
Fighting type bad as a whole? Look at the OP he posted 2 fighting types in OU.

>>32137755
to be fair, pheromosa could be fucking rock/ice and she'd still be OU
and buzzwole is most likely going to drop

>>32137755
These are literally the only ones

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How do you fuck up this bad?

>>32137787
silvally is pretty damn good though
maybe not OU material, but solid

>>32137787
It was always meant to have the same base stats in all fields, but it can't be 120 and it probably had to be less than 600, or someone with 100 in everything. So thats why it has 95 in everything.

>>32137802
The stat spread isn't the issue. The issue is that Silvally doesn't have what actually made Arceus great. No Espeed, no Recover, no EQ, no Memory boost... and no changing its type with Z-Crystals.

>>32137787
Its movepool is half that of arceus. 95 everything isn't too bad, could have worked if it had an arceus/mew tier movepool.
>No recovery to compliment any defensive merits
>No STAB priority, not even quick attack
>No good support moves to go with parting shot
If it had recover and I don't know, spikes? It'd see a ton more usage off that alone.

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>>32137775
>buzzwole is most likely going to drop
Damn, even with colossal physical bulk, perfect coverage, and reliable recovery it's considered mediocre? What does OU qualify as "viable" these days?

>>32137834
we're talking about a meta where scizor and keldeo are UU, anon
only obscenely bulky walls like toxapex, strong pivots like muhmentum chicken and walking nukes like megagross and the zards are allowed into OU

>>32137834
252+ SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Excadrill in Psychic Terrain: 258-304 (71.2 - 83.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Go big or fuck off.

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>670 BST
>PU
How do you fuck up this bad?

>>32137538
dragon/fighting is fucking gr8 offensively barring not hitting fairy but kommo-o gets good poison coverage

>>32137870
Excadrill is frail as fuck though

That's like gloating about 2HKOing Skarm with a resisted special move, any good special attacker could do that back in gen 4

>>32137892
truant
that's how you ruin any good mon

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Post yfw Shell Smash Kommo-O in Stars

>>32137755
>2 fighting types in OU
Yes, those part-bug minmaxed UBs are the only fighting types in OU. Real broken, anon

>>32137901
>Excadrill is frail as fuck though
110/65 special bulk is frail these days?

Not sure how people play competitive anymore, the SM meta is pure cancer

>>32137912
Still better than the 1 (one) Normal type in SM OU

>>32137859
except buzzwole is perfectly viable in the current meta so its not dropping anytime soon lol

>>32137923
sure it's viable, so is half of UU

>>32137922
Irrelevant. The claim being argued is fighting type is STILL great offensively and in general in the tapu meta when no un-minmaxed nor pure fighting type is even OU

>>32137922
Nigga you're comparing a nearly completely neutral type offensively amd defensively vs what is supposed to be an offensive type

Bug is resisted by 7 types and only SE on 3 but has over threefold the presence of fighting types in OU, and said fighting types are bugs themselves

>>32137915
Thats literally Emboar tier frail

>>32137598
All it needs is a comparable recovery (ie not z belly drum), and ideally an attack too, make it a tremendous assault vest user, give it drain punch!

>pre-fairy
>fighting types are godly offensively and great defensively
>post-fairy
>fighting types are garbage

is that what happened?

>>32137530
>They're afraid of making a new Garchomp.
I've already said it in a different thread. That statement is full of shit because I don't think they care about the meta. The UBs and the Tapus screwed up the meta pretty hard this gen. Not sure if it was as hard as Garchomp back in gen 4 but still.

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>>32137524
>slightly more BST means it's better!

it's the distribution that matters idiot

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>>32137528
>The UBs are all minmaxed to shit for competitive
Not all of them...

>>32138356
Wow nobody else realized this except for you. Thanks anon.

>>32137548
>4x weakness to fairy

>>32138359
stop being so assblasted OP

>>32138372
Only if i get to blast your ass in return

>>32137524
>Min maxed stats VS Psuedo Legendary that sadly doesn't know what it wants to be

>>32137912
Usage does not equal viability. Keldeo is UU but is considered a great Pokémon in this meta, actually a lot better than Buzzwole. And there is also Terrakion who is perfectly viable, not to mention the unreleased megas such as Heracross, Medicham and Lopunny that will for sure make a splash when they come out.
Fighting still isn't an awful typing, however to be good it needs to be on a fast Pokémon, or paired with a type that complements it well coverage wise, preferably both. Kommo-o is neither of those things and on top of that its best STAB is Focus Blast.

>>32138459
>Usage does not equal viability
But that doesnt mean they are completely unrelated. People tend not to use mons outclassed by better pokemon. And even in the VGC there are so few fighting types left

>>32138374
>Only if i get to blast your ass in return
>not BURASTO BAAAN
I mean, sure it's weird to bring that up when the subject isn't even about the anime, but damn that's a lost opportunity.

>>32138493
I dont use the anime

>>32138499
Fair enough.

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>>32138358

>>32138459
>Lopunny
Mediocre Pheremosa with no item and without U-Turn. It's going to be like comparing Gen 6 talonflame to Gen 6 Staraptor.
>Heracross
Baton passing speed might make it viable because it's a focus sash killer, but it's likely going to be BL because it's competing with Buzzwole and takes up a Mega slot.
>Medicham
Not sure how this one will go. Being a Fighting type is pretty detrimental right now, it's helped by Lele in the sense that it goes from hitting like a truck to like an airplane into the Twin Towers, but it loses Bullet punch, leaving it at 100 speed.

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>>32138358

>>32137524
>Terrible movepool
>Average in almost every stat

>>32137787
>Average in every stat
>No espeed
>No recover
>Not having 100-105 in every stat

>>32138345
>Not sure if it was as hard as Garchomp back in gen 4 but still.
Gen 4 Garchomp under the hands of an competent player was probably the most insufferable pokemon to ever face. SubSD + perma Sand can turn counters into checks. It was THIS good. The UBs and Tapus seem more manageable in comparison.

>>32137684
Agreed. Belly Drum Kommo-O with Brick Break and Shadow Claw destroys the Battle Tree like wow. If it had Drain Punch & Iron Head it would be even better.

Too bad it sucks everywhere else tho.

>>32137528

>The UBs are all minmaxed to shit for competitive

Good since the pseudo and lets face it alot of pokemon in general this gen are ass competitively.

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>700 BST
>Barely OU

Better question is, how do you fuck up THIS bad?

>>32138345
changing the meta isn't ruining it
this isn't gen 5

>>32137787
>Arceus can use Z-stones for the type change gimmick
>Silvally can't
This is the worst part.

>>32139790
It's not a good thing. You can have good, balanced mons for competitive like Heatran that aren't minmaxed. These mons are very strong while still being healthy, whereas something like Pheromosa is insanely minmaxed to the point of basically being Deoxys. It's obscene and overwhelming, just like the other dude said.

>>32137684
Anything is fun to use with at least two stages of relevant boosts

>>32139790
Yea let's forget about regular mons and just hope they keep churning out UBs

>>32139794
If Gamefreak never had difficulty giving alt forms moves that wouldn't suit the base form they might've given this guy Ice Hammer and Hammer Arm. Maybe they'll come up with form-exclusive movepool compatibility next gen?

>>32139860

>Keep Churning out UBs
>They're all Guzzlords

>>32139860

Regular mons are fine for in-game runs and free battles but when we're talking about competitive yes, bring on the UBs and Tapus. Alola has alot of regular mons so you got plenty of pokemon to play with if that's your thing.

>>32139902
What a cancerous line of thought. Fuck off. I live for dark horses in the VGC

>>32139902
Or they could just make the in-game mons good too so we wouldn't have to put up with there being like 8 good mons again

>>32139811
>heatran is healthy
haha how long it's been since gen 4

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>>32139925
Really, though. It's balanced, has a reliable way to counter it (literally any ground move) and isn't insanely fast/strong. Just a good all-around mon that can be shut down by a variety of things. That's what I'd like to see more of and less shit like Tapu Lele and Pheromosa.

>>32139871
Not even, just fix freeze shock. Make it a one turn fuckin move and 100 bp.
Problem solved

>>32139965
pheromosa has plenty of checks and counter because of her shitty coverage options
shit, you can force her out with fucking chandelure

lele is kinda busted, but she's not the worst thing in the meta right now

>>32140032
Both will probably be suspected eventually.
When the hell is the next suspect anyways? The OU council is slow as shit compared to the UU council.

>>32140048
If they suspect anything before Ash-Gren I'm gonna be mad

>>32139794
Because for some weird reason the box legends of Gen V have completely ass movepools. They're the box legends for fuck's sakes, they should have ridiculous move distribution.

>>32140048
Suspects are not periodical things you do for fun

If the meta is balanced there is no need for suspects

>>32138358
223 hp
101/97 offenses
53/53 defenses
43 Speed
This is the best caseof min maxing, it's just shitty execution.

>>32139871
Literally no reason for kyurem to not have icicle crash

>>32139871
DRAGON
HAMMER

>>32140059
Ash-Ninja is fine compared to regular Ninja and Metagross, both of which whom basically have one viable counter and thirty checks. Ash-Ninja can't do shit to a lot of mons.

>>32141945
ash ninja dents or straight up ohkos the entire tier with hydro pump, the only things that can safely switch into it are sp.def invested toxapex and fini

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>>32140350
232 HP
53/53 offenses
101/97 defenses

Is way fucking better. Unless by better you mean a more extreme example, in which case pic related is a much better example of HP minmaxing

>>32141986
But it's still min maxing.
223 => 43 is the greatest stat difference in all the Ultra Beasts
It's just a shitty spread.

>>32137524
kommo has a shitty movepool. not a single good fighting stab

>>32137524
>4x Weakness to fags

>>32137548
Fairies. This isn't gen 5 anymore.

>>32143715
Like Dragonite
in fact the only things that keep Dragonite over it are Espeed and recovery

>>32138345
GF cares a little about the competitive side of the game (otherwise they wouldn't tweak status conditions and weather and the likes every new gen), they just don't give a shit about the Smogon meta. That's why they have to ban things every once in a while to keep things playable.

>>32145838
>Dragonite
>shitty movepool

No.