A theory on Greninja

>>32127185

In the meanwhile, I invite everyone who shares a deep, profound, and intellectual hatred for Greninja in any manner to share with me your additional contentions so that I may add them to this document. While you are at it, post pictures of Greninja being humiliated, bullied, tortured physical and emotionally, in a miserable or overwhelmingly taxing situation, and overall being degraded into the destructive and tasteless creature it always was. The degradation of Froakie and Frogadier is also permitted, but keep in mind that they are not essential to the theme of this thread.

>>32127187

Let us begin this essay with the very first aspect that approaches any player: The design. Regarding the design alone, Once it is recognized that the chiaroscuro of Greninja’s physical traits, each in clashing contrast to one another in color, form, ideal, shape, symmetry, and concept, can only imply a hopeless blending of these parts together, an elimination of all those sharp contrasts which the compromising spirit of today’s commercialistic and universal age cannot abide, and a general hugging and embracing of all forms and representations by each other, at the cost of the life of all definite lines; once it is acknowledged, moreover, that all gradations and blurred zones of contact lead inevitably to the very worst forms of character design, and an overall mutilation of beauty and its benefits to the human condition. The head, alone, transcends everything that I have ever felt disgust for in Pokémon designs (or Digimon, Yo-kai, or Naruto for the matter!) for consummate ineptitude in transfiguring and refusing to retain the bare essentials of beauty and sober design; and particularly in the breast and torso, there is a broadness and a sweeping ease, which ought to be attributed more to incomplete control of essentials than to their actual simplification, the whole figure breathes a spirit so artificial, so uncertain and so tasteless, that it is the nearest approach I can find in Japanese Art to that nadir of art which in fact the particular values of a people find their depths in the degenerated and confused example of their type.

>>32127202

Within the twiggy arms and legs of this creature, (Which I found made the creature look more like a sp3 hybridized orbital with two lone pairs of electrons rather than a humanoid frog in the official pose), Making any resistance or actual formidability in constitution manifest only as pitiful knuckle or slap to the face, I find the designers scrambling to find some sort of tether to realism (whether in actual faith to the model or merely an inability within themselves to confidently represent higher values or concepts within the simplification and application of the humble frog’s features to regard a grand style of life). In its ultimate form, it is beneath realism in coarseness and crudity. With this aspect in conjunction with the bubbles interspaced thoughtlessly across the limbs of the pitiful creature (warts?), I see a preponderance of overdesigning which reveals to what extent the inferior will of pandering, complexity, cloudiness, etc. was beginning to prevail. And when I study the path of Pokémon designs throughout the generations, and see this evil assuming such proportions as to make even modern players and young children deliberately denounce it, I cannot help but recognize the germs of this decay in the art which hitherto has been most praised and admired on this board. The really vital point was the public nature of the work Game Freak must have demanded; it was not done to please private and peculiar taste, it was not intended for the criticism of a small clique of partial admirers, but it was set up, or performed for the world together, for the fastidious, for the vulgar, for the learned, for the young, and for the ignorant. It seems to me that this necessity, and the consequent broad intention of the modern Pokémon designer, is the main reason why its effects upon the world have diminished, and why its lessons are eternal only to those whose tastelessness locks them within this realm of bitter closemindedness and superficial impudence.

Is the fag from before back to spew his autism again or is this being copypasta'd? I never really read the originals.

>>32127210

Typical of the contest going on within the body of the Game Freak designer of today, and the vain aspirations of its soul, the lofty and detailed Pokémon are also symbolic of the discord and lack of equilibrium which, Gen IV introduced into the player’s relations to gameplay and to the world around him. And when we find Greninja’s errant head triangles and misdirected eye-stalks embracing each other as if to gain strength upon each other’s lack of independence, its flat nubbed toes and fingers grooved and striped to spread out like a fan, its 2D elements juxtaposed directly to the 3D model and its clash of blue, white-yellow (which reminds me of a pale anemic of Puritan times), and red displaying a nervous, neurotic, and hyperactive yet subdued image trying desperately to thrust itself at you, its wart bubbles jetting out at variance with one another(At least the shiny form of this creature mitigates this somewhat with its uniform darkness, a clear copout from an actual arrangement of color that may actually please the eye, but Greninja is a Pokémon for hiding, not letting itself be seen, so perhaps no matter to the design could be justified had Game Freak not let its image define nearly aspect of the Pokémon and its relation to the fanbase), and its groin/tail spike with the narrow and reed-like shins struggling against the crushing pressure of the inutile and obstructive thighs bearing the blatant symbolism of its ninja inspiration (as if they had to make it obvious that the actual design alone could not clearly convey this presentation) and the unbalanced and unwieldy feat of asymmetry; all these strive for individual effect, individual attention, and individual value, with a restlessness and an importunacy which knows no limits; until your eyes, bewildered and dazzled by the jutting, projecting and budding details, and startled by surprise, instinctively drop at last, and perhaps close in a paroxysm of despair, before the importune starter.

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op in a nutshell

>>32127220

It is that strange disquietude of the modern Japanese spirit — that is its greatness, that restlessness of the dreaming mind that wanders hither and thither among the niches, and flickers feverishly around, and yet is not satisfied, nor shall be satisfied. The above factors are matters which fans of the Pokémon can and willingly, bring forward, even those things which even enemies of the Pokémon would be likely to overlook, they brings forward proudly and ingenuously, like a truculent mother presenting an ugly child to a friend, and with a broad smile in his forcible prose which sometimes throws even the experienced scholar quite off his guard.
Let us now move on to the representation of this “character” in regards to the masses, their superficial appeal, and their poor and ultimately destructive taste. Game Freak is a company aiming its audience for a universal target. It is only natural, therefore, that all creativity or ingenuity that belongs to it should have been whittled down, diluted, and despoiled of its dignity; and we must feel no surprise at finding that no pains have been spared which might reduce Pokémon also to a function that would be compatible with this mentality. All that savors of fun and enjoyment has become the work of committees, assemblies, herds, crowds, and mobs.

>>32127225

Therefore, if Pokémon designs are to be tolerated at all by any crowd, they must have a much more modest, humble, and pusillanimous comprehension of what their existence means, and of the purpose and aim of their work; and their claims, if they make any, must be meek, unprivileged, harmless and unassuming. While, therefore, the designer, scarcely exists at all to-day, another breed of man has come to the fore in the graphic arts, whose very weakness is its passport, who makes no claims at establishing new values of beauty, and who contents himself modestly with exhibiting certain baffling dexterities, virtuosities and tricks, which at once amaze and delight ordinary spectators, simply because they themselves have not yet overcome even the difficulties of a technique.

For example, consider Greninja’s tongue scarf, merely designed to enthrall those whose creativity may only posit the quality of a unique trait by their respective familiarity to it and of how “unfamiliar” or “unheard of” it may be, regardless of its actual correspondence to the complete design. I will not go into the realistic aspects of this, its dirtiness and dryness which should not escape the attention of any observant thinker, and I will be able to let this go, for Pokémon was hardly designed as a game with realism in mind, as much as some designers may want to clash with that notion. Those who have seen Greninja’s face interact without its tongue will see a semblance of definite shape- however hunchbacked it may be.

I feel like this is going to make the recent starter wars look petty in comparison with this level of hate. Dis gun b gud.

>>32127234

The very fact that the designer input the tongue scarf as an unessential, and therefore destructive property of the frog, both aspects, tongue and without tongue, deeply lack a clear sense of deep intuitive thought or mastery or cohesiveness, the former as result of the addition itself making the design seem silly and absurd in a manner contrasting with the serious and stern ninja-demeanor within battle or otherwise (this lack of cohesive traits will appear later) (I do not object to fun or playtime in particular, but it has to be within the realm of the character of a constant product lest the character be lost in a sea of contrasting actions regarding any mode of thought or leisure implemented to it).

The latter being the neck and back space being poorly thought out and underdeveloped due to the tongue-scarf attempting to draw attention away from it, thus attempting to compromise a constant part of Greninja’s constitution, when any act of eating, of frog-like behavior forces this distraction- even momentarily- to subside and leave the barren and borderline crippled (Not too far removed from that of an asylumed invalid) shape of the neck to be revealed, in itself a contradiction to the tongue, only further supporting my thesis of the hopeless muddle behind this origami-esque freak of a clearly neurotic, distorted, and wavering mind (Given the typical morphology of the mouth of the frog, Greninja’s wide and back-parlor grin is forgivable to a degree, but only in relation to its realism, which is far from a reasonable excuse in regard to the style and overarching theme found in the Pokémon games to begin with, especially as a starter.) Given that the picture above was created as a preliminary reference sheet, there is little excuse for Game Freak to have done anything but deliberately leave this lack of insight and complete form within the Pokémon itself.

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>>32127235
One can only hope this bait is taken.

>>32127242

Those who attempt to try and figure this baffling addition to a profound message or complete idea can only impart their own plebian machinations to it- for Greninja’s design does not give. It takes. It no longer reflects beauty on reality: it seeks its beauty in reality, of some entirely abstract and unconnected theme done on a whim. And that is why it falls to pieces judged by the standard of profound design and artistry. It cannot bear the fierce light of an art that is intimate with Life and inseparable from Life. In its death-throes it has decked itself with all kinds of metaphysical plumes, in order that it may thus, perhaps, live after death- but only as a shallow remembrance of its former glory- the cry of a dying franchise.

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>>32127224
>How to spot a newfag 101

>>32127252

Consider its presence in the anime, now (even those who are ardent supporters of this awkward muddle of a Pokémon will still admit that the degree of its presence is far overshadows its contemporary peers, so do not have to regard this for now). Greninja is supposed to be the determined, always training “warrior” type. In isolation, this is a very simple and positive, if perhaps a slightly shallow, representation of a fighter, noble in deed and potent in desire. However, if we attempt to lend heed to the attempts at trying to create a “multifaceted” character, we see Greninja’s apparent dorky and awkward nature appear as he is in isolation or without battle or strain. We can see this in effect merely by its conveyance of emotion via its eyes and their form. As a warrior, they are open, alert, and show depth, and vigor (in whatever dissolved form it may appear as) by its clear display of precision, alertness, and acute functions regarding the iris, pupils, cornea, etc., while as a nerd, they are but flat dashes, conveying levity, carelessness, clumsiness and lack of focus (except in meditation, but there is very little of this done by the Greninja in question to provide itself as little more than an exception)- all done willfully, not out of a lack of virtue or capacity, but a lack of instinct or will. In actuality, what does this mixture of personalities do? It breaks the will of the character.

>>32127213
Definitely a pasta. That guy at least kept his posts clean, with the title written in the name box and no "(more to follow)" which makes this guy's posts sloppy.

>>32127263

Obviously, two voices instead of one now speak in its breast. When confronted by two alternatives, instead of being able to point to "this" or "that" without hesitation, Greninja now vacillates, temporizes, doubts, stammers, ponders, and is overcome by a paroxysm of perplexity. When coming upon two directions, instead of stepping deliberately and composedly into one of them, it now stumbles, falters, wonders, staggers, and often falls.

It becomes unreliable, unsteady, and uncertain. Not only can it not be trusted to choose the correct course of conduct for its trainer’s or friend’s interests, it can scarcely be trusted to choose the correct course of conduct for itself. As a result, attempting to add in this ill-thought extra dimension creates a notoriously characterless entity, forming a dangerous and ultimately fatal message, especially considering its leading role in the anime. Nothing is certain, nothing stands on solid ground, just like the Greninja’s own dependence on the external environment to determine its level of activity and thought by means of its cold-bloodedness— the very breeze about it makes a Greninja twist and turn like a weathercock.

>>32127275

Chaos is necessarily the result, and a state of absolute weakness supervenes. The instincts of the Greninja are confused and its will is, therefore, broken; its modicum of bodily strength, though it is the same as it was before, has now twenty instead of ten virtues amongst which to divide itself up, and consequently the vigor of its virtues, their power, declines. He is perhaps more versatile, more catholic, more ready to lend an ear to every sound; but it weak. As values of beauty and form give rise to particular virtues, so the faces and bodies of a Pokémon species come to be stamped with the character associated with the virtues most general among them. As a result of Greninja’s contrasting virtues, it is natural that in its face you notice strange features, unlike those of any powerful, proud, and handsome Pokémon; he is "ugly," and is very often so from every other point of view.

>>32127288

To those who wish to contest that Greninja merely is of the “gentleman” type, they are apparently not versed in the actual meaning, context, and representation of a gentleman except for that lousy caricature of a spineless and naïve fool, or the mustache, monocle, and top hat of a Victorian goober. One who studiesf Japanese culture beyond that of mass media and of lifeless and soulless little cartoon girls, we may understand how the Japanese "gentleman" was capable of practicing a constant theme of respect and dignity in both the battlefield and in the town center. It may be broadly stated that moral principles received no respect whatever from framers of political plots or planners of ruses de guerre. Yet the Taiko, who stands conspicuous among Japan's great leaders for improbity in the choice of means to a public or military end, desired to commit suicide rather than survive the ignominy of failure to fulfill a pledge.

>>32127299

Consider the wilderness, and its representation of savage verses civilized types. In the wild, the only animal that does not require to tread softly, to avoid crackling leaves and creaking branches, the only animal that can dispense with deceit and with make-believe, and who can come and go as he likes and trumpet forth the truth honestly to the world without either compromise or caution, is that animal whose power and strength are above the ordinary attacks of its neighbors, and whose food springs from the soil about him, without its having to lie in ambush for it to appear and be waylaid. All other animals must practice deceit, subterfuge, falsehood, ruse, craft and a great variety of attitudes. All other animals must be deceivers and profiteers of no mean attainments; they must know how to crouch, how to crawl, how to cringe, how to dissimulate, and how to pretend. Nature condones all these accomplishments in those of her creatures which are caught in the cruel wheel of the struggle for existence. If she did not condone these accomplishments, either they would never get a meal, or they would always be providing meals with their own bodies to those who were stronger than they. The Snorlax alone can afford to be honest, is honest. The Snorlax alone can practice sincerity, staunchness, levity, laziness, and constancy to principle; he alone can let others live.

>>32127311

Now where does Greninja fit into this niche? Its entire being, its defense, its breadwinning, its essence of living is composed of the practice and execution of deceit, subterfuge, falsehood, ruse, craft, stealth, substitution, takumi blocking, and of subtle weapons of Shuriken and blade. Its essence is the wilderness. Any acquiescing, any socialization with the outside elements, any attempts to step out of the shadows to attack directly, to converse, or to attempt to order the world around them would be fatal to their very constitution. Thus their actions are inscribed into their very blood and conscience, and any straying from them in any situation, however artificial, will lead to great discomfort, irritability, and failure, for they must lack the capacity to obtain such heights of thinking and of reasoning. It is pure romanticism to suppose that the supporter and apologist for Greninja can have the virtue without the soil from which it springs. You cannot have your cake and eat it. Greninja may long in vain for the virtues which belong to the Pokémon that stands aloof from the jungle struggle, if they actually participate in that struggle. And to suppose that mere precept and education will cultivate these virtues in them, if they do not possess, or have not practiced them for generations, is to suppose that the Liepard can by a course of training change his spots in a single generation.

>>32127321

Today, by result of Greninja’s actions and impulses seeping into the popular-minded Pokémon fans, even the traditional players are being drawn, has been drawn, into the field of struggle. The very soil which alone is favorable to the growth of sincerity and staunchness and constancy to principle, is therefore no longer being tilled or cultivated. The influence of the principle of unrestricted has reduced everything within the game, even the power of being an influence for good or evil, to a struggle for existence, and as a result — unpleasant as the fact may seem — we are now undoubtedly witnessing the passing of the gentleman, in any Pokémon design, or its reflection upon those people who follow it. Every Pokémon must now be one or the other of those lower inmates of the jungle. Everybody now must at some time or other in his life be a "profiteer of no mean attainments"; everybody must be wily, crafty, full of resource in subterfuge, presence, deceit and dissimulation. Sincerity, staunchness and constancy to a principle are dying out. It grows every day more and more difficult to find a Pokemon whom one can trust wholly and thoroughly to have a reliable constitution and clear direction in action and design.

>>32127329

The unwarrantable association by any Greninja supporter of falsity with gentlemanliness never seems to have affected their reputation within the community in the least, because it did not strike the educated and competitive Pokémon players, that the two were hopelessly incompatible. Greninja is either a gentleman, or it is false — it could not be both. But in a time in which uncontrolled lust for flair and eager design innovations prevail, the title "gentleman" evidently deteriorates just as surely as the genuine design of Pokémon itself does. The Pokémon apparently immersed in the struggle for life, and the Pokémon who emerges from it successfully, are not therefore necessarily despicable or the reverse. All I maintain about them is that they never can, and never ought to, be placed in any high position where absolute sincerity and absolute staunchness and constancy to principle are the only safeguards that a people who will vote for them, or of the main company executives to push its image into every sector of merchandise and media they can allow. Greninja is simply wrong for its rank —all rank in which magnanimity, sincerity and absolute rigidity of principle are pre-requisites.

>>32127344

Is it considered “endearing” to a woman to watch her small-minded notion of a Frog “Prince” come about in the shape of a shapeless, characterless, hopeless putty of a beast? What charm does she find in the expansively opening maw of the foul-breathed creature, whose lanky form appears closer in form to a medieval depiction of a crucified Christ rather than the bold frescoes and poetry written of Poseidon & Proteus (A character that Greninja deserves no name for, even in mere ability.) For the attitude of the Game Freak’s ideal to Life, to the body, and to the world was an entirely negative one. The command from on high was, that the deeds of the body should be mortified through the Spirit. What else, then, could possibly have been expected from such an ideal than the ultimate decline and uglification of the body of Greninja’s type? To what else did such an ideal actually aspire? For was not ugliness the strongest obstacle in the way of the loving one, in the way of it who wished only to achieve prominence by strength? What irrefutable evidence can it come from but both genders of Greninja being shaped in the same form, each depicted as a gangly, naked, humanoid monstrosities?

>>32127353

And to all who wish to exalt Greninja as some sort of “waifu” or ideal female figure for company, intimacy, sexual activities and possibly child-rearing, the contentions that will come after this may very well already supplant my rejection of this romantic ideal, but I may begin to elaborate further (This is based mostly upon the depiction of the feminine character within the cult –or clan- of Greninja, so this will certainly be a direct attack on their interpretation of the character as well as their instinct and taste in regard to it). The natural knock knees of the female Greninja, the awkwardness of the tiny hip in regard to the curvature of the body (How does one go about bearing healthy children with such an instrument?), and the Female breasts superimposed onto the masculine bear chest of the standard model are, aesthetically, the greatest blemish in the figure of the small narrow-shouldered, weak-limbed, and fat-thighed sex. Owing to their ninja instinct, they want to be independent: and to that end she is uglifying herself. For what must these clumsy attempts on the part of female Greninja, and those who attempt to extrapolate her character into the feminine, not bring to light, but pedanticism, superficiality, school-girl pettiness, petty presumption, petty unbridledness and petty immodesty— how could she possibly interact with any sort of ease or calmness around one of her fellow-creatures of the opposite gender? How would she raise a single child? — She does not want truth, nor beauty, but the same immodest aims that her masculine counterpart interjects into the minds of present children and lusty-minded attic-dwellers indeed.

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I like how OP is still posting as if none of the other anons don't exist.

>>32127365

If we are so willing to depict Greninja as an admirable character, at least in relativity to its surrounding posse, why are we so strapped to find its humor within its character as a ninja- a completely separate and already developed, in which the perfectly symmetrical aspect and position of the humor is both annoying and inartistic, owing to the fact that it was looked at by the designer or the humorist from a point at which it was orderly and arranged before he actually implanted wit into it, and could not therefore testify to his power of laughter-making— but simply to his ability to avail himself of another model's power, namely, the ninja and its former capacity and high culture as it was pre-commercialism. Likewise, implanting humor from watching Greninja go splat on the screen a la Smash, is simply one of the most bizarre and absurd paradoxes to present itself to the Pokémon world- a warrior as a homebody.

>>32127377

If my contentions with the fanbase and with Game Freak’s feeding of it are not apparent enough as of now, I shall clarify it: Even today, with as few sound designers who consider all the aspects of human nature to their creations, there is among the vast majority of video game buyers and players an insatiable thirst to obey, to find opinions ready-made, and to believe in some one or in some law. The way the name of science is invoked when a high authority is needed —the love of statistics and the meekness with which a company i.e. Game Freak grows silent when they are quoted; the fact that the most preposterous fashions are set in protagonists, in battle-design, and in music; the sheep-like way in which people will follow Game Freak, whether in the mainline video games, spinoffs, literature, or in anime, not to dilate upon the love of great names and the faith in the daily Press i.e. Kotaku, Polygon which nowadays, even prescribes schemes for college-commons conversation — all these things show what a vast amount of instinctive obedience still remains the birthright of the Genwunners and Unovabortions alike. For even advertisement hoardings and the excessive use of advertisements regarding Pokémon, in addition to the fact that they point unmistakably to the almost omnipotent power of their ability to direct attention to any Pokémon, feature, or petty spinoff(a power which vouchsafes them even the privilege of self-praise, which scarcely any other class of society could claim without incurring the charge of bad-taste), also show how docilely the greatest number must ultimately respond to repeated stimuli, and finally obey if they be told often enough to buy, or to go to see, any particular thing. We must look upon this with sympathy.

>>32127384

Again and again mere change within the system of Pokémon and its style has falsely been welcomed as Progress by those spiteful to ignorant Genwunners; mega evolutions have falsely been embraced as desirable evolutions, and uncontrolled new tendencies have been falsely acclaimed as inevitable developments. Only when it was too late, only when the evil results of such novelties became strikingly obvious, did these novelties begin to be problems. Today’s democratic polls letting Greninja come out on top once again without a single peep from those more cultured can only lead to the majority moving to degeneracy, for their tasteless opinions are not mere matters of selecting your favorite Poffin from the bakery. These “mere opinions” are a matter of will; they are always, or ought to be always, travelling tickets implying a certain definite aim and destination, and the opinions we hold concerning what is desirable as design in Pokémon must point to a certain object we see in Life; — hence there is just as great a market for opinions, and just as great a demand for fixed values to-day as there ever was, and the jealous love with which men will quote well-established views i.e Marriland, Serebii, etc., or begin to believe when they hear that a view is well established — a fact which is at the root of all the fruits of modern popularity — shows what a need and what a craving there is for authority, for authoritative information, and for unimpeachable coiners of opinions. The outcome of Ash’s Synchro evolution, disregarding any traditional members of the team and denying a chance at a permanent sort of characterization, for like any fad catering to the spirit of the times, they are bound to be swept away with little heed or lasting positive legacy, indirect or otherwise, upon Game Freak or the Pokémon community itself.

>>32127397

The purpose of the graphic arts of Pokémon and their relation to the graphics within the game itself, then, has remained the same as it ever was. It is to determine the values "ugly" and "beautiful" for those who wish to know what is ugly and what is beautiful. The fact that these designers and programmers have grown so tremulous and so little self-reliant as to claim only the right to imitate, to please and to amuse, does not affect this statement in the least; it is simply a reflection upon modern game designers. Since, however, these values beautiful and ugly are themselves but the outcome of other more fundamental values which have ruled and molded a fanbase for centuries, it follows that the artist who would accentuate or determine the qualities beautiful or ugly, must bear some intimate relation to the past and possible future of the people. The Pokémon of today, unholy and undivine as the Tower of Babel, seems to have incurred the wrath of a mighty godhead, not unlike an Arceus as opposed to a Mew, and those who were at work upon it have abandoned it to its fate, and have scattered apart — all speaking different tongues, and all filled with confusion. Precisely on account of the disorder which now prevails in this department of life, sincere and honest players find it difficult to show the interest in it, which would be only compatible with its importance.

Regarding Greninja’s effects on the common mind, even intelligence is adversely affected by the tendency the ninja frog Pokémon have of promoting the habit of forming snap judgments, of taking for granted one's ability to hold opinions on every possible question, no matter how abstruse, and of assenting to policies inadequately understood and only superficially pondered, all in line with Greninja’s deceptive, speed at all cost, and detection at all costs matter of thinking.

>>32127373
So this pretty confirms it's a pasta then? I remember that guy actually replying to some posts.

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>>32127410

We have to consider Greninja’s means of wooing its current followers- immense success with dazzling its audience; its fabulous wealth of excess parts, and the bottomless till from which she drew the subsidies she needed for its various predecessor Pokémon in its struggle for ascendancy. Dazzled by these brilliant material achievements, which the Japanese world with its vulgar American inheritances found it difficult to resist, it is perhaps not surprising that many Pokémon player, with their sense of judgement momentarily numbed, assumed that where such phenomenal success was to be found, artistic beauty and sound principles towards Life must of course accompany it.

In addition, when over long periods the poor decisions of leading designers i.e Sugimori tend to alienate even alert players from the type of game and flair prevailing in their own day, there is always a tendency to swing over to hitherto untried, and superficially plausible innovations, if only as a release from past depression. When moreover we remember that the worst the existing generation may be, the less narrowly novel alternatives are likely to be examined, it cannot surprise us that Greninja found its strongest support in Sugimori’s misrule. The complexity and muddledness of Greninja thus understood, not as a spontaneous product of serious reflection and wisdom, but as a more or less automatic reaction, loses much of its respectability as a Pokémon. For although we may allow for the compelling force of misery and frustration, the acceptance of Greninja as the role model for future Pokémon designs, even as an automatic reaction, demands a considerable amount of intellectual goodwill and complacency.

>>32127428

The palpable nonsense of Greninja’s dominance, cannot be attributed to any deliberate or concerted action on the part of the populace themselves. But the worst misapprehension of all is to suppose that all this misunderstanding of beauty and what is desirable in regard to human life can possibly fail in the end to pervert and corrupt Pokémon and wipe out all the accumulated treasure in virtue and sanity which has been fostered and stored during former, more rational and more tasteful times.

The whole development was a productive and commercial success as long as it rested upon a layer of superior, bygone times which it eventually ate too far into to survive. On the same principle it is probable that the Clan of Greninja may be said to be still resting on proper game design and Pokémon design choices cultivated in bygone times and is likely to survive only so long as this store of virtue and ability remains not wholly corrupted and frittered away.

Thereby, I invite everyone who shares a deep, profound, and intellectual hatred for Greninja in any manner to share with me your additional contentions so that I may add them to this document. While you are at it, post pictures of Greninja in a poor state. I will tolerate him being humiliated, bullied, dehumanized (or perhaps dePokemonized) tortured physical and emotionally, in a miserable or overwhelmingly taxing situation, and overall being degraded into the destructive and tasteless creature it always was by those who have a more vulgar hatred of the Pokémon. The degradation of Froakie and Frogadier is also permitted, but keep in mind that they are not essential to the theme of this thread.

To those supporters of Greninja, either give me serious and intellectual refutations of this interpretation, or else go back to your anime hugbox. “Haters gonna hate” is only a pulpit for your indifference to the world, its capacity for achieving desirable things and its glories that result from it.

>>32127442


Thank you to all those who have read even partially into what I have to say. Even a single change of heart is enough to justify my effort.

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>>32127185
Does this fix it's design?

I think it does. The tongue gets weirder the more you think about it. The rest of it is alright. (too bad that can't be said for chesnaught/delphox)

Tl; dr - Waaaaaaaaaah!!!

Greninja thread?

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Barafags BTFO

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>This thread

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>>32127185
OP, do you not love Greninja? Why?

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LoL

>>32127185
Fuck off chesnaughtfag.

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Jesus fucking Christ

Include me in the screencap

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I want to kiss Greninja!

>>32127420
>implying we even care /vp/ nowadays

grenja stupid thicc

nice autism OP

also, BURASTO

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>>32129482
You bet.

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>>32129484
>Says that
>even though OP says he hates it
Nice retardation.

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>>32129487

>>32127263
>Consider its presence in the anime, now (even those who are ardent supporters of this awkward muddle of a Pokémon will still admit that the degree of its presence is far overshadows its contemporary peers
>what is charizard

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>>32129484
>He didn't read what's this thread is about

>>32129484
Come on, anon. At least read the first few words so that you know what the fuck is happening.

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>>32129484
>Charizard btfo Greninja
>yet Charizard fags themselves always get btfo

Is this copy pasta?

>>32128157
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>>32129484
>>32129549
>How to spot a newfag 101

>>32129487
>>32129497
Thicc thighs

>>32129602
>it's a shitnaughtfag plays off his retardation as le pretending to be retarded because he got BTFO episode

>>32129700
>shitnaughtfag
It's kinda weird how, back when the anti-Greninjafag posted this, no one tries to accuse him of being a Chestnaughtfag or a Delphoxfag.


/vp/ is getting worse.

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>>32129700
Holy shit, a newfag AND a retard, the deluxe package
One, I'm not OP.
Two, this whole thread is nothing but a copypasta from threads made by a delusional autist months ago, and the fact that you didn't recognize it outs you as a newfag, plain and simple. You weren't even here a few months ago. That's pathetic.

>>32129763
Funny thing is the starter wars were in full force back BEFORE anti-frogfag posted his manifestos, but petered out by the time he came along. This kid probably got "shitnaught" from some dumbass on Reddit who tried to move the starter wars there.

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>>32129497
Post moar femninja

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>>32129484
>he didn't read it

Where did this originally come from

>>32130833
Some guy who want's some Femninja's pussy