>Lucario is now compatible with the Thick Club
How does this affect the meta?
It doesn't change at all as lucario is infinitely better with mega stone
Lucario can club me any time
>>32124785
where is he sticking his thick club?
>>32124785
Base Lucario becomes significantly more viable, but the mega is still all-around the better choice.
>>32124785
Regular Lucario becomes BL
Mega Lucario stays Uber
>>32124798
>>32125296
>>32125332
>Lucario with free huge power is worse than Mega Lucario
You fucking idiots. Base 110 Atk with EVs and positive nature on top is fucking terrifying. With Bullet punch it would be an absolute nightmare to deal with for anything that doesn't resist Steel.
>>32125371
Speed is what makes the difference. Base 112 is every good while base 90 is meh. Both are very scary.
>>32125371
It's an absolute nightmare in general. I don't believe Lucario would have defensive checks anymore below Ubers, they would just get annihilated by one of its selected attacks if played wrong
>>32124785
Faster and stronger than Mega Mawile? It wouldn't affect the meta because it would be banned.
>>32125371
True, having what basically amounts to a free huge power on an already good physical attacker with plenty of coverage, high powered fighting STAB and STAB priority does sound great on paper, but mega Lucario is still the better option because of three things:
1: Adaptability, which boosts the STAB from a 1.5 multiplier to a full 2x multiplier. And in the long run, this'll be more beneficial when coupled with the 35 point attack boost and access to both bulk up and swords dance.
2: The defense boost. 12 points might not sound like a lot, but trust me, it makes a hell of a difference. It allows Lucario to potentially live another turn when base Lucario would've been one-shot.
3: And finally, the speed boost, the most important factor in why mega Lucario>Thick club Lucario. Upon mega evolution, Lucario gets a significant 22 point boost to its speed, allowing it to outspeed a good amount of threats that would normally check him, like Garchomp and Arcanine.
>>32125511
>allowing it to outspeed a good amount of threats that would normally check him, like Garchomp and Arcanine.
>Garchomp
>+2 252+ Atk Thick Club Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 355-418 (99.1 - 116.7%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
And if Chomp switches into a Lucario that used Agility:
>252+ Atk Thick Club Lucario Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 399-471 (111.4 - 131.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Arcanine has a chance at least...
>-1 252+ Atk Thick Club Lucario Close Combat vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Arcanine: 306-361 (95 - 112.1%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO
Well, if it's a physically defensive build...
>>32125511
Adaptability is a 33% boost on his STABs. That is not remotely comparable to Huge Power.
The defense doesn't affect any relevant KOs.
Speed and Special is the only niche it would have, but Thick Club would be way more threatening in general.
meta is shit
>>32125371
>Priority [CURRENT YEAR]
252 SpA Tapu Lele Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Lucario: 350-412 (124.5 - 146.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>>32124785
The meta dies because everyone would get mad at Lucario stealing Marowak's signature shit AGAIN and they'd all quit playing the game. Fucking retarded dog.
>>32124785
Click agility
Win
>>32128666
It's this salt that makes me wish it was compatible
>>32124785
>Lucario is now a member of the Thick Club
>>32129211
>feeding a dog chocolate
That artist went full retard.
>>32128553
>Leleposting
>>32129218
Immune to poison.
>>32129225
>implying Lucario's steel type is even canon in the first place
Stall dies (again) and everyone in the community throws a hissy fit and bans him.
>>32128553
Lele might get vaporized if it comes in on it directly
>>32129225
kek
>>32124785
what are you talking about OP Lucario is already compatible with my thick club
>>32129512
I will deny this, lele would a a good way to revange kill it and good check but not a hard counter
>>32129221
>being triggered by Lele
>>32125841
>Extreme Speed
>in Tapu Lele: the meta
Good attempt
>>32125511
Also mega luc can easily be special or physical and it's impossible to know which without possibly losing one of your walls. This means its more difficult to predict and harder to play around
>>32125841
>having agility on a Lucario at all
>having extreme speed in a tapu lele meta
>Forgetting scarfchomp is a common build
I hate it when people are so desperate for their argument to hold water that they pull up moves that literally are never used like agility.
Lucario @ Thick Club
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Extreme Speed / Bullet Punch
- Close Combat
- Iron Tail
Some Mew variants, Aegislash, Mega Metagross, Kartana, Jirachi and defensive Landorus-T can come in on a Swords Dance or after a kill, take a hit from Lucario, and kill it. As for everything else:
+2 252+ Atk Thick Club Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Toxapex: 206-243 (67.7 - 79.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
+2 252+ Atk Thick Club Lucario Extreme Speed vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Keldeo: 369-435 (114.2 - 134.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>>32131026
Oh, and Tapu Lele.
Should mention that Thick Club Lucario is about 50% more powerful than its Mega..
>>32124785
>+2 252 Atk Huge Power Lucario Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Skarmory: 396-466 (118.5 - 139.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Lucario gets Dragon Dance, what happens?
>>32131052
Psychic Terrain in general fucks over Lucario, as it introduces a number of Pokemon that can can flat out revenge it when its up. It's almost imperative to run Fini or Koko as backup in this case