Is GEN VII really the weakest gen in the series?

>>32067394
It's true
Too bad

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The person claiming that is you every time you make one of these threads.

No, it isn't. It's probably the best first entry yet.
I don't even know why are retards comparing this gen when it's not done yet or S/M to the remasters/remakes of other gens

>>32067394
They do that every gen. And say it's the best. Different people say different things.

Stick to your opinion on these matters. Don't let internet randos tell you what to think.

No gen could hope to be as weak as Gen IV.

>>32067394
>honey, when are you gonna eat dinner?
>SM SUCKS SM SUCKS SM SUCKS

>>32067421
Wrong.

>>32067429
Fail

Gen VII is really weak,yeah.
But all the series have weak entries.
Gen VII just happened to be pokemon's weak entry.

>>32067394
>game box art
>durr this game sucks
every
hour
on
the
hour

>>32067846
The games are pretty bad,honestly i don't blame OP.
While Gen VI wasn't as great as I-V, it was definitly more enjoyable than Gen VII, Sun and Moon are really empty games.

>>32067884
>>32067394
OH LOOK ITS THIS THREAD AGAIN

>>32067394
>is gen VII REALLY the weakest in the series?
No, far from it actually. Gen IV and VI still hold the title for worst gens

Thanks to prove it again OP. That the SM hate is just a meme made it by the samefaggot over and over again.

I love the tears about how a game you don't like it came to have better reviews by popular opinion and there's nothing you can do about it but cry in image board proving how much autism you have.

4>5>7>2>3>1>6

>>32067421
>It's probably the best first entry yet.
You don't honestly believe that, do you?

>>32068171
But I do? Name 1. Maybe G/S.

>>32068215
May I ask why you think they are the best? I just find it baffling

>>32068234
Because pretty much all other first entries are shit?

They're better than XY at least, but yeah the gen 3-5 golden age is long gone

>>32068251
I hope GEN 8 ends up like gen 3-5

>>32067394
I like more gen 7 pokemon designs than gen 6 designs, and I appreciate the deviation from the standard formula, but it SM feels a little lacking in almost every department.
Most of the new pokemon have garbage stats, leading to a small handful being dominant and the vast majority of them being useless.
The region is pretty boring and feels more lifeless than most regions.
Most of the pokemon you encounter are from gen 1, and actual new pokemon feel like a rarity.
The trials, while an interesting reprieve from the tired gym formula, are boring and easy.
Z-moves are a really forgettable gimmick and I would have rather had more mega evolutions.
Collecting Zygarde cells is excessively annoying. Jesus Christ.

Overall, better than XY imo, but nowhere near as good as BW or even DP. I hope a third version with major improvements will be released.

>>32067394
People always say the newest game in any franchise is the worst until the next one comes out and the previous one is suddenly the best.

>>32068407
>not as good as DP

literally every other game in the franchise is better than DP, even Sinnohfetuses will tell you that.

>>32068448
Humm no, Gen VII is bad.

>>32068241
Not when black and white exist. Hell, at least diamond and pearl have postgame compared to whatever shit that was in sun and moon.

>>32068251
Barely

>>32068344
Doubtful

>>32069063
and they were good how? unova was a linear shit region with the worst dex ever

>>32068571
Your thread is worse and you should actually kill yourself

>>32068558
>he actually believes sun and moon are better than diamond and pearl
How's that denial treating ya

>>32069079
At least there was some exploration and an actual postgame in black and white. Also, how are sun and moon not linear as fuck especially considering that they have a little marker telling you where to go? I do agree with you about the Unova's pokedex though but that shouldn't be a thing to bitch about considering Alola's "Gen I 2: Abyssmal Boogaloo" Dex.

>>32069128
When did I say S/M aren't linear? B/W was a shitshow as well. And if by exploration you mean being able to go into a cave earlier, I guess so.
I just fail to see that as a redeeming quality in any way.

Progression of Pokemon fans:
>New game announced
>Fans get hyped, leaks/rumors everywhere
>Game releases
>Nothing but praise for a solid week
>Everyone beats it
>Biggest fans blast through post game content
>Nothing left to do
>Remember fondly back to the last generation
>Start calling out the newest game as bad, content-less, the faults start to become more obvious
>"[Current Gen - 2] was the best, [Current Gen - 1] wasn't so bad, [Current Gen] is bad."
>Cycle continues
You could argue a lot of this is because there's constantly new underage shitposting about the newest Pokemon game, along with people who constantly look back fondly but dont like the cold truth of the franchise having a poor amount of content to their liking.
This shit also happens with Nintendo's consoles, if you've noticed, people have been acting like contrarians about the Wii U and saying it "wasn't that bad".

>>32069161
Also B/W had a garbage ass story.

>>32069166
I think this is how 4chan works in general, being contrarian is at this shithole's core.
And your cycle is also affected by nostalgia, which rotates at around the same time

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Gen II is by far the weakest one.

>Introduced 100 less new Pokemon than its prior gen
>Many of them were baby pokemon which only built on earlier concepts from gen I
>Half of the game bases around gen 1

You can't even debate this, what the fuck

>>32069229
this is true, they were clearly afraid to ditch gen 1 so they had to reuse it

>>32067958
3>5>7>4>1>6>2

>>32069161
Ok. Then what makes SM better than say, RS or DP?

>>32069229
>>32069240
>t. people who didn't grow up to Gen 2
Gen 2 was never supposed to be a brand new world filled with only brand new Pokemon. At the time, Pokemon was still a huge cash cow, and the idea of "new" Pokemon was done in a way that they were considered "newly discovered", rather than finding an island with hundreds of new ones. Gen 2 didn't introduce a lot of new Pokemon and had said new ones be fairly rare because, at the time, they were special.
Also, the way you argue that "half the game is in Kanto" being a bad thing is silly when you consider the length of the Johto league is about that as any other Pokemon game. The Kanto league doesn't take nearly as long and is entirely a post game experience.
I do agree that the babies were stupid though. Guess they needed something to get casual players to care about breeding.

>>32069293
Is it really post game when the main game is gimped because of it?

>>32069245
No man, do't put that fucking shithole of gen6 before gen2 please, then it's okay

>>32067394
Nah, they are not the best but not the worst. New pokémon aren't boring and most are memorable (most of them have competitive in-mind, yeah even Bruxish and Tortunator)

They just could have been better, but gen7 started just now, give it time and pray it doesn't become gen6 V2

>>32069166
feels good. i dont actually give a shit about story. generating pokemon and online battles are all i care about

>>32067421
>GS
>BW
nope

Also, no, these games not being first versions dont absolve it from being compared to other games in the series.

>>32068448
Stop forcing the Zelda cycle on pokemon

>>32069293
My first game was Pokemon Red, I played Gen 2 on launch

I'm not saying it's weak in the sense of what the developers had thought it out to be.
Today, comparing game-to-game, it's the one weakest game when looking at what it brought to the table.

I loved gen 2 alot, but in regards to new content and Pokemon designs, it's definitely the weakest.

>and had said new ones be fairly rare because, at the time, they were special
This is false, they're not more rare
I mean, all new Pokemon at release seem special, don't they? This argument seems strange
If you spend longer time in Johto, they're not more rare than the ones from Kanto

Honestly, i can see GEN VIII going back to the roots of the franchise: simplicity and exploration over story and ginmicks.
What does this mean? if GEN VIII goes back to their roots we may see another big bach of pokemon (130 or so) and a more inmersive region and more dificulty.
However if GEN VIII is like GEN VI-VII (story-focused and linear) expect another small batch of pokemon,shit dificulty and linear region and more ginmicky trash like fusions.

>>32067714
>>>/9gag/

>>32067394
>/vp/ is people
thats your problem.

>>32067394
I'd say so. It's definitely lacking a lot of good elements to it compared to its predecessors.

>No National
>No Postgame
>No good post-game grind spots
>SoS battles for anything but shiny hunting
>SoS battles, but no Audino-tier XP mons
>Smallest number of new Pokemon
>Plaza was a major stepback from PSS
>Story was all about someone who wasn't the player
>Unskippable cutscenes that SERIOUSLY hamper replays


I like Pokemon, but even before coming to this board that hates everything, I saw this game had some major shortcomings.

>>32067394
Absolutely not. Games are great. Reason my interest came back. Gen 5 and 6 were horse shit. Love unova starters and axew though

Soul Silver > Black > Fire Red > Emerald > Platinum > X/Y > SM, in terms of how much fun they are to replay for me

>>32070581
Gen 1 and gen 2. Has worse difficulty than sun and moon. Earlier regions. You don't even lose a pokemon.

Johto elite 4 highest pokemon was level 50

>>32072509
Socialism Share didn't exist back then though

It's the worst gen after gen 6. Gamefreak should be embarrassed, they really need to make the next games and gen 8 decent or they'll be in some trouble.

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>>32067394
>all these assmad shills proving OP right

>>32072562
But the majority are agreeing with him

>>32072527
Oh okay nosaliga dude. Let's talk about the 90s. Big ass phone. No internet

>>32072581
I never said that wasn't the case, I already know SuMo is the most hated game in the series. It's just hilarious seeing NoA employees damage controlling this abomination while getting BTFO by the vocal majority who sees this turd for the shit it is.

>>32072589
nosaliga.....

>>32072581
The people who like a sun and moon. Won't come into a thread bashing the games.

If I made a thread saying sun and moon are good games. Majority of the comments would be agreeing. Beauty of a place like this you don't have to force comments

>>32072613
>greentexting
>exists
>for
>a
>fucking
>reason
>you
>retarded
>gaia
>immigrant

>>32067394
It depends what you look for in a Pokemon game. If you want a shitty story and half-arsed characters who you can pretend to be in love with then you'll love gen 7. Otherwise it's a pretty weak pair of games. The handholding and railroading is the worst in the series so far, optional areas that you can explore are pretty much a thing of the past, the Pokemon diversity is poor (particularly how the new Pokemon are very rare and Kanto Pokemon are everywhere), the new Pokemon have poor stat distributions, the trials were shit (the puzzles that the older gyms had were more entertaining), there's even less post-game than ORAS, Ultra Beasts were poorly implemented. The only new things that were a nice change were the totem battles and the fact that they didn't use gen 6's shitty chibi artstyle for the overworld models.

Nah, that'd be 6.
All it had going for it were the monster designs, while most everything else was shitty. SM is the opposite.

>>32072718
It's sad that people who enjoys finding new pokemon are left behind.
Those 100+ pokemon really maked you happy when you where a kid, i'm just asking that experiencie again.
The franchise is pretty much only appealing to genwunners or people that hate variety at this point, because the number of new pokemon is getting really low, that the games are getting odd really quick.

>>32067394
Not the weakest, but far cry from the best. Poni Island should have had a larger Pokedex.

>>32067918

Do you say this when there's another 'R8 my waifu' thread or another disgusting thread of cartoon children in suggestive pictures or 'what went wrong' threads?
Cause they're on here just as much as these threads, at least this causes a discussion instead of feeding the perverts.

>>32072918
People who enjoy finding old pokemon are pretty left behind as well. Unless you have insider info/use a guide theres no incentive to go back and find old mons/trade for them because the national dex has been removed. Nevermind the shitty formula to transfer from Red/Blue/Yellow to Bank.

As a genwunner I found Sun/Moon to be the most offensive games yet.

>>32073120
No they aren't?
You can find like 400 old pokemon in alola.

>>32067421
Sorry anon, but when I say it's the worst Pokemon games, I mean the worst. Yes, that includes DP, XY, and somehow the completely atrocious BW1.

>>32073138
Yet you cannot log/find info on a little over half the pokemon, some of which you can find in game.

Rotom in your pokedex? Shame you can't register him in your pokedex. Or Charizard, yanno your fly replacement. People who only look for new pokemon are shitting this up for everybody because now theres so many they just kind of shove old ones in a corner and say they don't matter.

>>32067394
I consider them very good games, the second best for me after Gold and Silver. Most characters were dynamic and expressive in their model animations, there was some effort in characterization, had the ability of catching me, an old player, off guard, and that's saying something, and at last the scenario didn't felt like a tileset like the previous games.

They are not perfect and I'm not astonished by those games, but I'm not the only fan they must cater to.

By the way I don't know why don't they let you have three save states. Mythicals and Legendaries can be cloned and hacked anyways, they are not such valuable commodities.

>>32068448
At least I didn't see this with Zelda nor Monster Hunter.

>>32073176
Play XY?

>>32072718
>If you're looking for a well-layed out story, developing characters, good difficulty curve, good gameplay, good moon diversity, and good music

ftfy

>>32072918
it isnt for genwunners, it's because quality of new mons > quantity of new mons. remember anon, every gen we get closer and closer to 1000.

>>32073176
have you never played a pokemon game? the entire national dex has never been in a single set of games. ever.

also you can catch charizard in alola

>>32073300
Lmaooooo Zelda fans founded that

>>32073330
Sorry, but i'm not going to be happy with 20 pokemon the next gen because "muh quality > quantity"

>>32072918
The issue isn't even the number of new Pokemon being added every generation. 80 new Pokemon is perfectly fine, especially considering the Alola variants takes the total of new Pokemon to around 100 anyway. And to be honest, Black and White's decision to have a Pokedex consisting of entirely new Pokemon just meant that a lot of them ended up being carbon copies of older Pokemon or had an additional evolution stage that just felt unnecessary.

The issue is that they're almost all very uncommon in Sun and Moon. Many of them are hidden behind 5% or 1% encounter rates so unless you actively search them out, you'll probably never end up using them in your in-game playthrough. Black and White 2 had the perfect balance of old and new Pokemon. The majority of wild Pokemon that you encountered would be Unova Pokemon but there were still plenty of older Pokemon if you wanted to use them instead (and the sheer number of available Pokemon meant that trainers would have more diverse teams as well).

>>32073347
80 new pokemon is fine, but who says they aren't going to introudce only 10 or 20 pokemon in GEN VIII? sorry but that'll be way to low.

>>32073339
Nice strawman.

I love gen 5 but I still see that the attempt to make more new Pokemon only resulted in a bunch of terrible ones.

>>32073330

So what if we're getting close to 1000 Pokemon? Gamefreak have NEVER said anything about not wanting to get over 1000 Pokemon, people need to stop saying this as if it's a fact when it's not.

Newer Pokemon are being way too overshadowed by older Pokemon, just look how rare the new Pokemon are in Sun/Moon compared to the older ones. most the new ones have a 10% encounter rate, some don't even show up unless you know how to get them beforehand.
Also, quality over quantity? Really? Most of Gen 7's Pokemon are utter crap anyway, they boost the old Pokemon but make the new ones shit.

>>32073368
I'm saying that 70-80 new pokemon is perfectly fine for me.
I just don't want 10-20 new pokemon only, that would be just way to low...

>>32073370
I have this gut feeling that after 1000 the list is going to end. Idk.

>most the new ones have a 10% encounter rate, some don't even show up unless you know how to get them beforehand.
This is a straight-up lie lmao

>Most of Gen 7's Pokemon are utter crap anyway, they boost the old Pokemon but make the new ones shit.
I was referring to the designs, not neccesarily their viability in competitive

>>32073384
70-80 new mons is what VII introduced, no?

>>32073396
Yeah, i just don't want 10-20 new pokemon x generation.
GEN VI and GEN VII where fine.

>>32073330
>well-layed out story
The story just gets incredibly rushed about 3/4ths of the way through the game. It's as if Game Freak were getting towards the end of the game and realised that they forgot that the Aether Foundation haven't done anything notable so they just threw everything at the player in one big chunk.

>developing characters
The characters pretty much either remain entirely the same or they undergo a rapid transformation within a few minutes. Lillie's entire character development throughout the game is being able to run across a bridge.

>good difficulty curve
The game is easy throughout with the occasional difficulty spike during a totem battle (if you're not prepared, that is). Not to mention that the game shits out items for you and heals your Pokemon automatically all the time so you'll never really be in danger.

>good gameplay
It's no better than any other game in the series. If anything, the lack of post-game and how badly it rail-roads you and prevents you from exploring means that it has worse gameplay.

>good moon diversity
Assuming you mean good Pokemon diversity, it's terrible in this game. All the new Pokemon are incredibly rare and you encounter the same Pokemon on every route on an island.

>good music
That's true for every single Pokemon game, it's not something that's exclusive to Sun/Moon.

Sun and Moon weren't outright bad games, but they are far from being the pinnacle of the series.

>>32073339
>>32073384
>>32073406
Why the fuck would Game Freak make a generation with only 10-20 new Pokemon? Were you one of the retards who actually thought there would only be 11 new Pokemon when Masuda said Sun and Moon would have "more than 10 new Pokemon"?

>>32073444
Because it's obvious they'll start doing generations with only 10-20 pokemon.

Uh not a regular around here but I've played Gens 3, 4, and 5. Bought Pokemon Sun and I can't stand the 3D models and the music hasn't been so great either, not sure if I'll ever finish it. Feels bad.

>>32073468
It's obvious that they won't though.

>>32073396
>>most the new ones have a 10% encounter rate
Mareanie only appears if Corsola calls her.
Corsola is a 5% encounter in an area you pass long before you get Surf and thus have to backtrack to it.

Dhelmise is literally a 1% encounter rate on a single tile in the entire game.

Salazzle is hidden behind a Gender requirement.
If they didnt give you a free Adamant Bounsweet, you can only find Bounsweet in a single, optional location albeit at a 40% encounter rate.
Rockruff appears at 20% in, again, an optional zone you have to backtrack to to ever get the chance to see it DESPITE BEING THE MASCOT FOR THE GENERATION.
Oricorio and Ribombee are only found in meadows, at rates far below that of the Gen 5 mons
Stufful is literally a 5% encounter rate.

Wishiwashi, the regional bird and rodent, are both actually pretty common but thats about it.

>>32073571
Don't forget that Grubbin/Charjabug, Komala, Turtonator/Drampa and Togedemaru are 10% encounters, Comfey and Oranguru/Passimian, Mimikyu and Jangmo-o are a 5% encounter. Also both Bruxish and Dhelmise are 1% encounters, although you can fish in the bubbling spots to increase their encounter rates to 20% and 10% respectively. However, you have to enter and leave the area everytime you want the bubbling spot to reappear, which makes the entire process of catching them extremely tedious.

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I'm just going to say that if I see one more fucking Alolan Dugrio throughout this fucking game

>>32073571

Mudbray is pretty common too. Appears in quite a few areas. The biggest flaw for me was how rare and downplayed lot of the new stuff was. Even when it has a good chance of appearing in a location, it's still only in one or two. It's like Johto again in some places.

I guess they wanted to make your work for the new Pokemon, but still, it was ridiculous. Especially when nearly every cave was just Zubat/Golbat and Diglett/Dugtrio.

At least Mareanie was the only SOS exclusive Alola Pokemon. I hate the SOS exclusives. The fishing is pretty bad too, but nowhere near as aggravating as the SOS. I got Bruxish fairly quickly.

>>32069128
>actual postgame in black and white
It was better than anything before, but SM has way more postgame content AND it's more fun. BW had the Subway and a few areas to explore, with the Sage finding quest, which was almost more disappointing than UB quests.

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>>32073627
>SuMo isn't the greatest blunder in the series
>SuMo isn't the worst game of 2016 they said
>implying there is anything positive to say about Shit and Poo after all this
Pokemon is dead.

>>32075068
you don't need to falseflag as a /v/ shitter, this boarf is already well aware of how retarded they are. it was a little funny the first couple times, but now its just fucking annoying.

>>32067429
True, or gen 3

>>32074386
Literally how does sun and moon have more post game? It's the least amount of post game to date

>>32067394
I'd honestly say either x and y or the original first gen games are the weakest, the only thing holding sun and moon back is a sever lack of postgame content.

>>32073330
Are you actually retarded?

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>>32075295
This. Shills fuck off.

>>32075295
>opinion is bait
I mean yeah, your image applies to your post pretty well

SM and BW are probably going to go down as the two most polarizing games in the series.

>>32075516
BW maybe but SM is just shills/denialfags vs people who actually wanted a good game.

>>32075516
GEN 5 had crappy desings,, GEN 7 don't.

>>32075711
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>>32075711

(You)

>>32075369
>thinks Gen. 5 is bad but think its starters were good

Yeah, you are baiting.

>>32077898
huh?

>>32067394
The problem isn't really the Pokemon designs. They fucked up a lot of the gameplay. We all want them to try new things, but this time their experimentation went wrong.

>>32078152
What? How did they fuck up the gameplay? If anything its the best we have so far, there's so many QOL changes and new features, mainly Z-moves

Honestly, GEN VII is the worst generation.
The Alola region is boring and empty,no gyms,linear as fuck,bruxish,etc...

>>32073330
>also you can catch charizard in alola
But you can't register the pokemon in Alola.

The point isn't the pokemon being there, it's the pokedex and all data/information/ways to catalog the pokemon being gone.
You probably only skimmed, but let me put it simple for ya.

Why should they keep adding new pokemon when they're starting to ignore the old ones?

>>32067394
I get what you say, but gen 6 is worse.