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I posted a few variants of this meme in previous threads but I think this is the final evolution of the meme.

With Herdier and 2 devo sprays and 4 hammers in the deck, you can theoretically get up to 8 crushing hammer flips (or 6 enhanced hammers if they're attaching special energies) per game. Herdier can also recover vs seekers so you can get additional uses of flare or skull grunt.

I get bored and check out what trades I can take sometimes. Bought one of those packs that came with a promo card and a coin earlier today and when I put in the code for it on PTCGO I see like a million people offering a pack or more for that rockruff. Is it really that rare or something? My store had like a dozen of those packs. I thought it was just like a foil common or something. It's not even that good of a card.

>>31919635
A pack is basically nothing and some people want them for Lycanrock-GX decks. The day one sucks but the midnight one will actually be pretty good, might make fighting viable again seeing as Lysandre leaving standard will make people hungry for ways to chase down retreated pokemon.

>>31918870
No sir i am not interested in purchasing your "spicy",nore like mild, memes and i would like to unsubscribe from this service.

>>31919686
It also has to do with trading companies, they like to build up stocks of promo cards because they can gouge for them if they wind up being rare/useful later.

Case in point, many of the black star promos that are only obtainable online through shop bundles or Canadian gems are 'worth' 50-100+ packs even though most of them are shit cards because of how rare they end up being. So a lot of it is likely speculation.

Whats a good deck on the store to win theme tournaments?

Chose to do the electric damage challenge, realised I had nothing outside of Raichu for it.

Took way too many attempts.

>>31919774
the SM theme decks and the water one you start with are the best decks.

>>31919774
I've had luck with Bright Tide.

You can use Corsola to fish for the basics you want depending on what evolutions you have. If you draw into Wingull it's okay at stalling as it heals 30 each turn.

Lanturn can do 120, Golduck can cheese a kill if you discard two water from your hand and has a free retreat, Cloyster is okay at tanking a couple hits and Primarina hits for a solid 100 while healing 30.

Only issue is if you face against the grass deck, you want to try and set up Lanturn.

If you draw into any useful item cards you can save Herdiers ability for when you want to fish them back out. Very nice getting another Timer Ball and Ultra out.

Outside of that the only other one I've really used is the Regirock deck because of Ariados/Vileplume and some okay trainers.

Or you can try and find a code for the Garchomp deck, that one can be really strong if you don't brick early.

>>31919774

I dunno about tournaments but the basic water deck wins me a shitload of matches in versus just fine.

Is Rare Candy on YouTube a good channel to watch? Good as in not cancerous.

>>31920113
yeah been watching recently, seems good so far
they post some budget lists which are pretty neat

Will I be screwed if I don't get all 45 packs from the trainer challenges? I've played about 20 games and they bore the shit out of me.

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>open evolutions pack for nostalgia
>get Mega Pidgeot EX
>put code in and open the pack there as well
>get Mega Pidgeot EX

>>31920390
Not really but there is a chance that you'll get some good EX, and you will get some Roaring Skies so you may have the blessing of the lord and get a Shaymin-EX.

It's just a good starting point to learn the game and get some basic trainers and Pokemon that you may need in the future.

>>31920390
Just bite the bullet and do them. Chances are most of the cards will be useless but it's a ton of free pulls. Get cheat engine and use the speedhack.

What did you guys pull from the free Holo Chest? I got Carbink Break.

>Bought a random Breakpoint booster at locals while waiting for YGO tourney to start
>FA Espeon-EX
God this shit looks pretty. I already thought WS foils blew YGO foils out of the water but this is something else

>>31920535
Mismagius

>>31920138
Thanks. I got sick of watching Donald "Dark Integral"

>>31920535
Gallade-EX

Could have been worse, I guess. But it's still a memecore card.

>>31920535
I got a reverse evolutions Pokedex
Seems pretty trash maybe I haven't had the chest drop yet and it was from losing a tourney

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>articles claiming that toadowls has a decent chance against trev

what a load of horseshit

Newfag here, would a booster box come with codes for the online game?

Also, is Amazon a good place to get a booster box?

>>31921097
yes
depends, generally yes. If you only want codes you can buy them at less than 1/10th of the value of a paper booster box.

>>31920535
Omastar break :^(

>>31920535
Chesnaught BREAK

>>31921095
when will people finally get redpilled on decidueye and realize that it's actually just a shit card? Yes, it has a good ability and a ton of HP. But it's a 2nd stage that is 100% ability reliant, it's utter dogshit with abilities disabled. So in standard you get fucked by Garbodor, and in expanded you get fucked by some combination of archeops locking you out of evolution or trev/toad locking you out of using rare candies or balling for the evolution cards.

It's like the people who try to run bronzong phf and solgaleo in expanded only for some fuckface to maxie an archeops onto his bench on turn 2 and leave the poor sap with a bench full of bronzors and cosmogs. There's a reason that stage 2s tend to be a burden in expanded in particular.

>>31921194
Hopefully not until after i milk 200 packs.

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Thanks Konami. As a newer player, I really needed this. Thank you for not giving me something like one of those EX mons or even an evolution of something I can actually play.

I will treasure this card more than my children, then make my children carry it with them for their days. It shall be passed down for generations to come.

>>31921333
>Wizards
>Konami
i dont understand the joke desu

>>31921343

yugioh/magic, m8

though I guess Wizards used to do work for the pokemon card game too, but we're talking like 15 years ago at this point.

>>31921343
Those are both companies that publish other card games. Wizards publishes MtG and Konami publishes YGO.

So about the message about exploiting VS...

How is that even possible?

>>31921343
>>31921363
no, I'm aware of that. i don't see where the funny part is, though. like where in that post am i supposed to start laughing

>>31921395
On the first and last days of a ladder duration, people play Legacy and concede if they don't get the initial coin flip. So many people were doing this they've decided to scare them off.

Why are BREAK cards shit?

Do you want to see them come back in later sets and be created to be more usable ?

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>>31920535

>>31921492
are you literally me?

>>31920535

>Virizion AO

>>31921447
Mostly because they're evolution cards and evolutions have been kind of shitty since BW era due to mediocre support and the big basics that Pokemon-EX provide, so adding another stage on a 1 or 2 stage line (notice that the viable BREAKS are mostly off of basics like Xerneas and Carbink with the exception of memefrog). The only exceptions to the 'evolutions are shit' rule are generally grass types due to FOGP and the couple of megas that are actually strong enough to justify playing the cards to evolve them.

BREAKs basically needed a much slower meta around them, with the exception of Greninja they were at best memecore due to the fact that a big basic like Darkrai or Yveltal is fully operational by turn 2 while with 2 stage evolutions/breaks, even if you have the cards for them in your hand, can't come into play until turn 3/4 at the earliest unless you use a supporter (Wally) to speed things up by one turn, but using a supporter for that reduces your overall draw speed so you're still at a disadvantage.

The fact that 2 stage pokemon have less HP than most pokemon-EX is asinine considering they take up 3 cards in your deck and the EX is one. The 2 prizes wasn't a big enough disadvantage for EXes and 2 stages hugely suffered as a result. Even if their BREAK cards were amazing, they're just too slow to use them.

>>31920535
M Rayquaza EX

>bro chesnaught break will never ever see play

I am dying on the inside.

>>31921570
This pissed me off about the recent spoilers, Sun/Moon looked as though it had been starting to slow the game down by making evos more powerful with the only good basic GX being Tauros, and then they go do shit like make a Jirachi EX with X Ball and almost twice the HP.

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>>31918804

I did it right? I purchased 9 sun&moon codes online for that

>>31921692
Have you seen Drampa-GX too? It looks like a lot of the basic GX are going to be just as stupid as EXes were.

Like I don't know why they decided to bump standard HP tier for basic 2 prize cards to 180. They should have left them at 160. Tauros-GX would actually be bearable if it had 160hp since you could reasonably hit OHKO range on him. But with FFB he has as much HP as most mega evolutions so he just gets one free KO on whatever you attack him with.

>>31921746
If you're the one getting the cosmetics, it depends how much value you place on them, they don't really have a fixed market value. Aside from Trevenant the cards in that trade are all shit though. Giving 10 packs plus a Lurantis and a Houndoom is pretty bad.

>>31921746

maybe I will purchase later 10 more sm packs and will do giveaway or just add them to the trade if nobody will trade with me [cries], they are so cheap after all

>>31921791

like I care, I already have mega mewtwo deck for grinding and I need these to build test deck

>>31921817
>hey did i make a good trade?
>lol i dont care XD

charitably, the side with the trevenant is 12 packs value, not including cosmetics

The side with packs is about 18.

Was that gold chest our Pokemon day gift? Thats it?

>>31921872
Yes, thank you for your loyalty goy.

>>31921871

dude, I could offer even 30 packs but I'm lacking in moneys right now... hah get real, maybe someone will be satisfied, people seem to offer much for this grass female scizor

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>>31921895
5 coins would have been of more use to me.

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>buy 36 Ancient Origins packs off eBay
>get message with codes
>start redeeming them
>they turn out to be Sun and Moon codes
>think guy mixed my order with someone else
>redeem em all
>check the message to see seller
>it was from a seller who I messaged earlier from a bid I had lost
>he gave me the codes instead of the buyer

Whoops

How long until Sylveon GX and co. lands in America?

>>31921964

May

>>31921964
Probably May with Guardians.

>>31921970
>>31921974
Thanks f a m s

>>31921791
Man I wish they made Drampa's GX attack a little stronger, something like:
Shuffle your hand into your deck and draw 10 cards, before your turn ends, you may bench/evolve any Pokemons you found and attach any tool cards you found.

>>31921406
unfortunately explaining it isn't going to magically cure your autism

>>31918870
whats your win ratio with this? And how many times have you won with getting KO's compared to discarding their energies?

>>31921919

eh If I only could purchase online codes for these sleeves and coin... I know there's pikachu one but that's it... annoying

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>tfw nothing exciting on the store
I just wanna use some of my 3.5k cash, its the most I had ever, but there is just nothing to buy anymore when you have it all (except for the older sets that I would really like to just open some packs)

>>31922143

they should let us edit the trades... /_= 50 coins for 2 days... it's retarded

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>buy packs from local game store
>actually get a holo rare
Feels good to not get hosed

>>31921936
>inb4 it's a scam

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could someone explain Turbo Darkrai to me, like what makes it 'turbo' beyond a playset of elixir that you rarely see more than two of per game? what is the deck's goal? how do you make it function in a oneshot meta when it's a two-shot deck?

my friend and i have been fenaggling our decklists so hard that even his volcanion and my 'turbo' darkrai have become Jackie Chan ropes and ninja boy-tauros shells, i feel like we've lost our way and polluted our lists due to it

what makes the deck 'good' outside of just slowly dotting up your bench with little energy beans with a yveltal? i don't feel the deck is at all bad, just.. underwhelming, maybe. the Mega Rayquaza matchup is flat miserable for me, maybe the worst i've played against (fighting meme decks just get tauros'd out)

>>31922364
>Buying loose packs
It's like you wanted to get hosed

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Holy fucking shit
>Don't know much about legacy and make Ray Eels as my first deck
>always have trouble against Genesect
>Find out that I had few of these bad boys and add them to the list
>Instantly feel that the match up is now actually very easy as I just keep winning
Feels good man.

>>31922482
Darkrai Turbo's main advantage over dragons is that you reduce the probability of starting without a darkrai, you have room for OW yveltal and xp shares that let you be very efficient at retaining energy even when making trades, while other decks tend to lose a lot of momentum when they have to trade.

Of the big energy acceleration t1 decks it does have the worst matchup against volc imo because you can't really fit garb into the list. But I think it's a little more consistent overall than other top decks. Dragons is quite good though, Salamence-EX is just such a nasty card against the EX heavy meta decks. In fact, a dragons list running Salamence/Tina is what won Anaheim.

>>31922700
>a dragons list running Salamence/Tina

would you suggest changing to this?

i'm currently running "jackie chan" darkrai with 2 tauros, 2 ninja boy, 2 rope, 2 switch and it's buttery as fuck but it starts up slow

the whole deck hinges on normal darkrai play while preying on the usual inability to flat ohko a 220/180 darkrai or a baiting hoopa ex

>>31922221
wait until guardians

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>join standard tournament
>screen flashes purple for a moment
>goes back to tournament screen
>opponent auto-wins, shows up in victor spot

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>>31918804
faces of PTCG/PTCGO

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>>31920535
Woah, just opened mine and got this bad boy.
Too bad it can't be traded away

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>>31920535

fucking foil Evolutions Clefairy

>>31920535

chesnaught break :/

I'm level 10 and I was promised 3 challenges per day. Yet I just completed the first one for today and when I clicked "claim now" to get another, it says next challenge is available in 23h19min. Why?

>>31923758
At level 10 you can just choose 1 from 3 challenges. You don't get to do 3 but just 1.

>>31923767
Ooh that makes sense. Thanks.

How many packs does decidueye gx go for normally?

>>31921333
1 on 1 me in expanded faggot.
Let me show you the power of dragons

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EAT IT YOU FAT FUCK

>>31923970
Is that standard?
Come back when you meet an expanded Wailord, kid.

>>31922382

How could it be?
I thought giving codes over message was against eBay's policy.

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Plasma Blast has been very kind to me.

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>>31920535
Mega Blastoise
From Evolutions

>>31920535
Holo Charizard... from evolutions.

>>31920535
>>31924152
Holo Mew from Evolutions.

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>>31920535
This looks fun to use.

>>31918804
I'm looking at expanded decklists and I have no idea how Accelgor/Wobboffett is supposed to work, nor that Zygarde deck (well, I get that one, it just seems extremely underpowered).

>>31924399
accelgor paralyze locks your opponent and makes sure that when your opponent is playing, wobbs is the active.

just offered one ultra and wanted rare for 20 packs

>cringe

Where do I find legacy decklists?

>>31924613
Can't believe I didn't see that synergy, thanks

>>31924692
just build virgen and call it a day imo.

>it's an opponent uses his escape ropes even when they put him in a disadvantageous position before he sycamores because he wants to use the maximum amount of cards per turn no matter what game

why are people like this

why do people discard supporters with ultra balls then vs seeker them the same turn, even when it's not balling for a shaymin which could theoretically draw you a supporter you'd rather use

i swear if you took away the green borders on playable cards half of the people who play this game would forget to play cards every single turn

>>31925252
>complaining about childs game
Anon pls

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Hows everyones trading famalam?

why the fuck is pokemon rebroadcasting 2015 games on twitch right now

>>31925992
>They disable chat on both twitch and ptcgo

Poetry

>>31926017
What poetry? Twitch was disabled since long ago.

Which deck is stronger right now: M Mewtwo or Darkrai? can only afford 1

>>31926758
Darkrai.

>>31926766
Oh, Any particular variant you'd recommend?

>>31926792
either turbo with yveltals or dragon with some mix of giratina/salamence/hydriegon.

Which theme deck shall I buy to grind versus mode and to enter theme deck tournaments?
I was thinking between Decidueye and Incineroar...

>>31927243
Incinerioar

>>31927243
Incineroar is overall the best theme deck you can get in the shop atm mostly because it has a better matchup vs decidueye which is the 2nd best.

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Well shit...

>>31927729
Fug. Now you have to get 3 more

>>31927729

>locked

>got 4 Gold VS Seekers last night

God I hope they reprint VS Seeker into the next set.
The game would get so much slower without them AND Lysandre.

>>31927877
vs seeker is the reason why lysandre is cancer. vs seeker makes accessing discard too easy imo. There's something wrong with the game when you would rather have most of your cards in discard than in your deck.

>>31920535
A shitty tyranitar.

The one that requires 6 dark energies to attack.

I hate it.

>>31920535
Evolutions Ninetales. Whoopee.

>>31927877
I only played the earlier sets of pokemon and just started playing again a couple weeks ago.

Was there not a SINGLE gust of wind clone in the game before lysandre came out? I remember that it was a must have card then as lysandre is now, and I simply cannot image playing this game without a "fuck you now this benched pokemon is your active mon" card.

>>31920535
ShayminEX

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>>31928136
pre-errata pokemon catcher
Pokemon circulation, sort of

>>31928193

see now where I come from "errata" means "explaining how something works in various situations that might come up" not "literally changing how the card works."

>>31927028

basically you can put whatever dragon on your bench and put onto it x2/4 double dragon energy to get 4x damage from darkrai attack...

>>31928220

I'm quite curious where are you from since Erratum/Errata is supposed to mean a correction of text in Latin. Here's a history of its price for lulz

>Pokemon Catcher was around $5 when it first came out since it was short-printed compared to most Uncommons and Emerging Powers was a shitty set bar a few cards
>Junk Arm was rotated out of the format after 2012, so most people actually need 4 and it jumped to $8~10 each
>It was finally reprinted in Plasma Blast (2 years after it first came out) and the price dropped to $2~3 since it wasn't short printed this time
>Errata'd into requirng a coin flip a few months later and it became worthless overnight

>>31928243

4x talonflame
1x darkrai
1x giratina
x4 substitute
2x lysandre
2x hex maniac
vs seekers ect. gg

>>31928220
What you are describing is called a ruling.

>>31928283

actually there's not a card that can revive/replace 2th stage pokemon to/with your benched/active pokemon?

>>31928283
im tempted to try this

>>31928367
Archie/Maxie

>>31928411

meh, this game feels so empty...there's a lot of powerful cards like EX/GX but they cannot make good supporters/items to counter them...

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>>31928406
Nah, if you want some real darkrai memes this is the memest darkrai/dragons build. Get dragonair's wish off and draw your ass off, attach like 6 energy in one turn then autowin.

>>31928449
Yeah, they've been making this mistake since 5th gen. Too many big basics and not enough reasons to play stage 2s in particular. I love that they added pokemon BREAK to encourage people to play evolution decks more, but they just make evolution an even slower strategy.

I was hopeful with the new GX series they were moving away from that, but then we see the same shit, stage 2 evolutions aside from the GX cards are mostly worthless junk, and there are tons of big GX basics with even more HP than the old EX basics.

>>31928459
With this build, you'd have letters over elixir. It's a guaranteed 2 energy versus a chance of 1 energy, and you don't need to accelerate before you use Dragon's Wish.

>>31928530

I realized I must get delinquent, it's so easy to destroy opponent hand...

>>31922127
Depends what kind of deck I'm against. My win ratio is like 80%, mostly because people get mad and concede sooner than they really should. It'd be lower if people were willing to play out I think. I tend to go for disruption against energy heavy decks like darkrai/mewtwo/yveltal and I go for attacks against decks that just use DCE to attack like gyarados, vespiquen, and passimian. Passimian is this deck's worst matchup since both your rats and umbreon get OHKO'd very easily.

This deck has some retarded energy disruption power though. Last game I played against a Darkrai Turbo deck ended with them having literally every single energy in their deck in discard. In a game that ended with him decking himself, at no point did he have more than 3 energies on the field and he was only able to attack twice total. I had 5 successful hammer hits that game plus tons of energy lost to crunch and lysandre/crunch.

Being able to move your rats and umbreon around with float stones and lysandre out stuff people are trying to build up energy on is very important to maximizing your disruption capabilities.

>>31920535
Audino EX, really new to this shit is that good?

>>31928611
Only if you play expanded. Even then, it's only good as a Night March counter.

>>31928611

Not really.

An Audino-EX/M Audino-EX deck did win the World Championship in 2016; though that was more because it had a good matchup vs the meta at the time, as opposed to the deck itself being especially strong.

>>31928648

>good matchup vs the meta at the time

By this I mean it had a good match up against Night March (as >>31928632 said). Night March was the meta back then.

>>31928459
oh shit is this what a real meme smells like

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Hey PTCG, kinda wanna start collecting cards and get into the game and as such I wanna buy a booster box. Which one do you guys recommend? Looking for nice cards for collecting and some pack value on the online game if possible.

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Happy #PokemonDay, y'all

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>>31928459
I like this meme. I like it a lot.

>>31928611
I wouldn't recommend it today. It's time has passed.

>>31928773

If you want value get a sun/moon one, map out the good shit, sell your fancy cards and dump the shitpacks on ebay for max profit. That and put in the codes for the fancy packs in game since SM packs go for a decent bit compared to most other sets at the moment

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>>31928632
>>31928648
>>31928807

Oh well, at least I like Audino and is a cute card even though its not a real card but w/e was free I guess

>>31928783
ty anon, have a nice day

>>31918804

is a card with holo image rarer than the same card with the holo pattern?

>>31928863
Yes

>>31928889

mhm thx

I ironically manage to get incineroar GX x2 by sacrificing 4 SM packs now I'm hunting for trevenant and co pffffffffuuuuuuu...that was easy and cost me only 20$

>>31928924

now I can grind and wait for the new theme decks ect. because I'm almost full

>>31918804

how does double dragon energy works with ninja boy and fire type?

>>31928975
You discard the energy right after changing the pokemon.

>>31929000

meh why this game hates strategy

>>31928851

Oranguru is a pretty good card to pull. That's not a bad pack.

>>31929022
It's a game for kids. That's why all but 5-15 cards in a 60-card deck are fucking staples, even at the highest levels of play.

>>31929117

muh frustrating just for a game for kids...

>game progressing normally
>start winning
>other guy spends fucking 10 years per turn to put energy on one Pokemon
I HATE this fucking game

>>31929122

>>k-kringe

I always been reading this like that... with german/flat g omg...

btw. it's sounds much better

>>31929159

omg...don't tell me

>game starts
>a guy is thinking 1000000000000000000 years what to do even if this game is fast to play as hell...
>spends 100000000000000000000000 years to fucking play energy card with only 2 options by his side...

what did they mean by this?

>>31929186

>the guy is playing so hard during his last turn and in the middle of his movement he concedes

what did he mean by this?

>>31929150
I don't understand this post. I was trying to explain that the game is stupid simple BECAUSE it's a game for kids.

There's no reason to get frustrated about it. Almost all of the strategy and skill in this game is in the deckbuilding aspect, and the rest is mostly autopilot.

>>31929228

I meant by this shitty draw, prizes trap, or incredibly opponent's luck out of their asses

>>31929250

>Playing a game that inherently involves luck
>Complains about luck

letmelaughevenharder.gif If you hate luck being involved in card games, then I would suggest you stay the fuck away from Bushiroad card games

>>31929306

I don't have a trigger

>s-sorry

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>trying to do challenges
>guy quits midgame when you get a 2nd stage evolution even though they have a good bench
>6 times in a row

>>31929306
>luck
>they've admitted draws aren't luck based and neither are coin flips
>there use to be a bug that caused players to get tails constantly

>>31929364
>they've admitted draws aren't luck based and neither are coin flips
i don't believe you

>>31929364
Got a source on any of that?

>>31929364

This seems like it would be a big deal that people here would know about. Have you got evidence that draws aren't random?

>>31929381
>>31929391
>>31929402
I can't find the post again but I absolutely recall them stating there was a formula for the RNG which dictated the consistency and flow of the game rather than being simple percentage variables and that the game was more focused on the consistency of draws rather than luck.

>>31929421
lol

>>31929437
How many times in real life have you drawn 10 mulligans in a row?

>>31929447
Every time I play Typhlosion

I've never mulliganed 10x in ptcgo

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>>31929843
if i see blingfags using these hideous rainbow cards it will be the final piece of proof I need that they're all mentally ill.

Umbreon's normal art looks fucking great, the FA and HR are both horrible.

>>31929903
FA >= Reg > Rainbow

>>31929903
Rainbow Espeon. Lurantis and Solgaleo look better than their other variants.

>tfw care more about getting coins than actual cards

I don't even play the actual card game (do put in work on online but that's not what I'm talking about) but I still buy the occasional blister or theme deck just for the coins

what the fuck is wrong with me

>>31930008
Idk, cointism instead of cardtism I guess.

At least it's not balltism.

>>31929903
Umbreon is pretty much the sole FA from SM that looks better than it's counterparts you mad egg.

>>31930008

shit... I must finally start grinding coins...

10 winning games per day should be enough...I guess

>>31930035

I blame my dad. He collected coins when I was younger and tried to instill it in me. Always thought it was retarded but here I am now.

>Secret SM Ultra Ball is $80
>It's literally just a shiny version of the Ultra Ball that we already have 400 versions of
Is this the power of the bling collectors or something?

>>31930094

It's a card that at this rate is never ever going away. If you play Pokemon competitively and plan to play it for a long time, why not?

>>31930130
It's not like we have to get new versions of the card. I don't think it's even HAD an errata.

>>31930094

>Bling collectors
>Not to max out your deck with a Secret Rare, Full Art, and Reverse Foil everything

The desire to go all in to maxing out due to MUH E-PEEN can be a terrifying thing

>>31930008
There's flash games on pokemon.com that you can play for getting coins

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>>31930176

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>>31929447
I get this far too often for the shuffling to not be rigged

>>31929903
but anon, i only own rainbow umbreons

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>My favourite deck is Mega Rayquazza Nor
>I have a budget version on PTCGO I made 2 hours ago
>It's the funnest deck I've ever played
>Want to buy it but it's going to be out of rotation soon
THIS SUCKS, GUYS

>>31930336
eh, it could work in expanded

jk lol!

>>31930176
I dont play them for years but the Sableye and Excadrill ones are top tier.

>>31918804

never open SM booster packs until you have like 20 of them, the RNG is broken as fuck I've got the same rare card 4 times one after another...

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>>31928270
>friends play pokemon 2012
>play a few games
>get into game recently
>see that catcher was getting reprinted in SM
>order a playset online anticipated price jump as it reenters standard
>cards come in
>mfw i actually read them

>>31930412

what you are, 16y old? kek

>>31928596
This deck is gonna be so fun when Altar of the moon comes out.

>>31930412
>Not reading cards before you buy them
Even YGO players get THAT far, and we're chronically bad at reading comprehension.

>>31928270
All good cards from EP were reprints, the cloud trio btw was from BW1 but tpci moved them to make the set worth buying... that set is a worse fiasco than flashfire.

>>31930094

It's still cheaper than the PLF version.

>>31930208

My dude, why are you posting as me? That's my screencap.

I've post it only 2-3 times over several months. Is that really so frequently that it's annoying?

You could have at least kept the filename.

>>31930443
25
>>31930514
I've played YGO and MtG and they never straight-up changed the intent of a card as long as I played them. Seems abusive desu.

>>31918804

I created cancerous deck

xDDD

Talonflame
Haxorus with dragon dance
Puzzle of time
Delinquent
Max potion
Energy Reset
Team Skull
Deck recovery cards

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>31930597
>I've played YGO and MtG and they never straight-up changed the intent of a card as long as I played them.
You clearly haven't been playing either for very long consecutively, then. YGO just spent the last 3 years errata'ing a lot of really old cards that have been rotting on the banlist so that they could unban them. MtG changes the function of cards all the fucking time while they're out of rotation, then re-introduces them with the new errata when they get reprints.

Really getting sick of being punished for winning.

>>31930523

>Reprints

I don't think your definition of reprint was correct (I assume you meant cards that were shifted from BW1 to EPO), but yeah ... that was also a time when Pokemon sets in Japan don't come out on a fixed period and we had to wait 4~5 months before sets are released internationally. It is much better now that the Japanese set release schedule is pretty much fixed and we only need to wait around 2 months.

>>31930629
DD haxorus is kind of an old meme, it's weaker than Lucario memes imo.

>>31930664

but with never cards it's even fucking worse kekekkekekek opponent have no hand unless it have luck with draw and is OHKOed every turn

>>31930642
Me too
I hate that I'm literally too good to win a game
The exact same thing happened in my softball league too

>>31930635
Quit YGO in 2008 and quit MtG when they introduced the Conga Line of Doom.

>>31930756

now in ygo there's a link summon which have to slow down extra deck spam

>>31930682
Retard.

I'm sick and tired of getting my deck counterpicked after winning several games in a row. Shit gets annoying. I don't see Raikou ever yet suddenly 2 matches in a row and in both I can't get Garb out due to shit draws. Oh wait, I'm not allowed to criticize the most brilliant and fair dev team on earth for their awful client.

>>31930854
Yeah, I read about that on /tg/. Dug my Senet Switches out of storage.

>>31930854

yep they are fucked up on their brains, they ruined this game even more... like there couldn't be just only one synchro/xyz ect. per turn...

>>31930901
You'd better sell them quick. Konami will either reprint or hit it within 6 months, mark my words.

>>31930907
If you don't mind, please direct your complaints to /tg/, /a/, or /vg/, all of which have plenty of people shitposting about a game change they barely understand.

>>31930854
Objectively false

How come every game one player has to throw away VS Seekers? Either me or my opponent have to Sycamore away 2 or more every game it seems, and if one does the other will never waste one.

>>31930854

And some people on Youtube already posted up combos that basically go LOL NOPE at that restriction

>>31930979

I can already detect the salt of those people who bought custom/event mats at a premium and got rekt by Jewnami

>>31931196

can you give few popular examples?

>>31931196
No, I actually like the new mechanics AND have no delusions about it "slowing down the game" in any meaningful fashion. Competitive decks will always be able to shit out whatever they want because that's how Konami makes cards. Casual decks don't give two shits about how fast or slow the game is. The only people that think this is ruining the game are either actually just bitching for the sake of bitching and don't understand the changes (who should be ignored to begin with), or people playing Masturbation decks (which don't even die if you're not bad at the game).

I'm just sick of people whining for no good reason.

>>31918804
Is Tauros a good fit in Accelgor/Wobs?

>>31931328
if accelgor wobb is working correctly you don't build up damage counters since they are perma paralyze locked. They might get free with a PCL or something for one turn and smack a wobb but it's just a one prize card.

Tauros, as a 2 prize card, would be kind of detrimental. You want to be cycling pokemon and tauros without float stone is a lysandre target that can stall you out, also locks down one of your DCE you want to be cycling with accelgors.

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>grass/steel deck
It was...interesting.

>>31931449
yeah, i figured that, i just wanted to force hala.
not worth it.

>>31931453
Its the deck that top 16'd Anaheim.

>when Weakness Policy saves your ass

>>31918870
>tfw just had an epic funbreon game against a volc player
>rattata'd away 2 of his FFBs
>hero raticate crunched off a critical fire energy that stopped him from power heatering for 2 turns as he dead drew looking for a supporter/fire energy
>landed fucking 7 crushing hammers against him with devolution spray+herdier
>and hit 2 energies in his hand with a skull grunt

Volcanion is an annoying but generally winnable matchup for this deck.

>>31931472
there's no point in Hala for that deck really. If you're playing it in expanded you will always have more reliable shuffle support.

>>31931560
yeah, I know. I just saw Birch and thought "You know who might be better? Hala."
How the fuck does Donphan work, does it just depend on trouncing the dark matchup?

>>31931576
Birch sucks ass, you generally want to use N since it both gives you an almost as good as sycamore/juniper draw in the early game and in the late game can be used to fill your deck back up to avoid decking out.

If you're playing a legacy variant PONT is a great option too. It's funny to me how Shauna is almost universally considered shit while PONT which is the same thing but draw 6 instead of 5 is extremely popular.

As for Donphan, the purpose is to attach strong energy and spinning turn out every turn to things like robo substitutes and pokemon that your opponent doesn't want to attack into, traditionally Reshiram and Zekrom, then as power creep caught up people began using Sigilyph and Primal Groudon. Now Tauros-GX is also a good option since with FFB it can be put well outside the OHKO range of most decks in the early game.

Generally you want a Mr. Mime as well to prevent things like bats from chipping your bench to death, though he's weaker at stopping bench damage than he used to be since Espeon-GX can work around him.

Personally I always felt the deck was too weak to Lysandre, but it can definitely be fun to play.

>>31930894
>blaming the devs because you have a check

>>31931679
Cool late reply, everyone knows the MM sends you weakness decks after you win a bunch, it's fucking boring.

>>31931690
No it doesn't lol. Your deck is just fucking garbage and you were beating on meme tier decks.

>>31931729
>denying a known feature that's been in the game forever

As expected of /vp/.

>>31931752
There hasn't been any actual evidence of such a thing existing. You're just a garbage player, quit blaming it on the game.

>>31931690
>Cool late reply
No, that's someone else joining the conversation
I just gave up on it because I knew you would say the game is rigged, I would say it wasn't, and neither of us would have any proof

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>>31931752
You act like you should never matchup against a weakness.

If you win several games in a row, your mmr goes up and you face better opponents. No more meme tier decks running Shauna and Tierno.

You are not the best, your deck is not the best. You just can't handle losing because you're a little bitch.

>>31931792
Not the guy you're replying to. I just wish everyone would stop using Turbodark. Its really hard to deck test a deck when all you see is that piece of shit.

>>31931792
Dumbass, if you win several games in a row the algorithm will pit your deck up against things it's weak to more often. When you start a Fright Night, VS Seekers and energy and you're going second against Raikou you have no choice but to topdeck a draw card or lose. It's a waste of time and annoying as fuck, and a shit feature made not to test you but rather for you not to win too much. It's why I don't play any deck using megas any more, because I know half my games will be things like my Mewtwo vs Gard or my Gard vs Scizor.

>anyone in these abysmal, casual threads knowing anything about how the game works
Everyone at league knows the client is a joke full of bugs, but it's the only fast way to test decks even if it's not at all representative of physical play.

>>31930208
>TCGO Trainer Challenge AI can't retreat, seems to just select the glowing green cards until the turn ends
>TCGO RNG can tell what cards you don't want in any given situation, and for some reason deals them to you

Why would any software developer bother?

>>31931860
>the algorithm will pit your deck up against things it's weak to more often
How would the jokey, buggy algorithm know what's weak to what?

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I just started playing this a week ago, what are the best theme decks in the store right now? So far I only have Iron Tide and Night Striker unlocked. I'm partial to water types, so I was thinking about Wave Slasher or Bright Tide, but I'm open to others of course.

>>31931920
Stop buying theme decks unless they have cards in them you need for a standard deck.

Seriously, you don't need more than one to do the trainer challenges and the water one you start with is basically the best one for vs anyways.

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>>31931952
What decks (if any) contain standard staples/playables then?

>>31931920
The SunMoon decks seem to be the best
Fire
Grass
Water
in that order

>>31928773

Why dafuq is the girl with telekinesis bending down to pick up a Pokeball? What a dumb bitch. Even Kadabra knows how stupid that shit is.

>>31931962
The night striker one you have with Zoroark/Gengar is useful
There is one with Vileplume/Ariados too

I believe all the SM decks have ultra balls, which you want, some of the older decks have Lysandre too
The legendary bird decks have Ns, don't they?

>>31931860
>open up TCGO
>click versus with waterbox
>match lurantis
>win
>match mewtwo
>win
>match volcanion???

I'm guessing it's just out to get you in particular!

>>31931962
Don't fucking buy decks for 'staple' cards, you'll get playsets of most of the cheap ones from opening trainer challenge packs. Get a list then buy decks if they have cards you need for it. A lot of the theme decks have one or two useful pokemon in them but it's pretty inefficient to go around buying a bunch of different decks. If there's a deck that has something you need in it you'll typically buy multiples of it. Like

wave slasher for greninja/frogadier
gears of fire for volcanion
night strikers for zoroark
iron tide for gyarados at
stone heart for ariados/vileplume

if you're not interested in playing standard decks with these cards your tokens are usually spent better elsewhere. If you go through your first 45 packs without getting a playset of supporters, then go look at the theme deck page on bulbapedia for one that has what you need. The real roadblock staple cards are trainers' mail, vs seeker and shaymin-ex which aren't available in any theme deck.

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>>31930208

What physical products offer the best value for the new player?

Decks?

EX/GX Collector Boxes?

Elite Trainer Boxes?

Tin?

Booster Boxes?

In what order....?

>>31932107
The SM sealed decks have a few decent trainers that can get you started. The Decidueye structure in particular has some really good shit for if you want to make a Grass deck on a budget, and the Nest/Timer balls help a lot.

Somebody else can correct me on this, but the EX/GX Collector boxes oftentimes feel like bait, especially if they have fucking Evolutions packs in them. More recent tins will also have those in them, so watch out for that.

>>31932107
An elite trainer box to give yourself the peripherals for playing, then buy single cards to build decks, prototype on PTCGO before ordering cards.

Boosters and whatnot are generally more for collectors, when you buy a box you'll charitably get 20-30 useful cards total out of it most of which are cards you can buy as singles for a dollar or less. Some of the tins and collector boxes can be good, but don't go buying them randomly, buy them if you want to use the cards in them. At least with those you can see what you're getting and value them accordingly.

>>31932040
>open up TCGO
>pick Passimian
>vs Greninja
>win turn 1 because they bricked on Froakie
>vs Volcanion
>win because they couldn't get the EX out of the active
>vs Mewtwo
>win because they couldn't get out Garb in time to stop Mew
>vs fucking Typhlosion
>lose because I bricked with just one Passimian

Wow it's almost like almost every match is decided in the first few turns based on if someone has a fuckawful start or not in standard. Expanded and legacy are far, far better formats right now, at least in the client. Legacy in particular, bricks are way less likely.

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r8 my first ever HS undaunted pack

>>31932183
Congrats, you drew the most powerful card in Legacy.

>>31932194
fuck drumpf and fuck smeargle.

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hey weird question, i have a friend who plays the physical game... like a lot. and he recently gave me the codes for 141 packs about 8 decks and some other junk. I have the packs now, but my question is... Is there a reason not to open them if i haven't done all the trainer challenges yet? I'm not building twords some specific deck or anything I'm just not sure if packs get better once you've beaten all the trainer challenges...

>>31932206
Smeargle has more skill involved with it than any one card in standard right now. It's such a fun card to play and play around. I wish they'd reprint it.

>>31932180
>Wow it's almost like almost every match is decided in the first few turns based on if someone has a fuckawful start or not in standard
Yeah, but thats not due to an algorithm, its due to the game being fairly broken, maybe a MtG sideboard would help, but I think it would needlessly complicate a childs game

At least its not YGO, where games are won on the opening coin toss

>>31932214
read the faq.

opening tradable packs is gambling. If you do it, just understand chances are you are throwing money away. The probability you draw something worth more than 1 pack of value out of any given pack is quite small, if you open all of those you might get a few such draws but overall you will greatly diminish the amount of trade value you have there which is fairly significant.

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Ban this card

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>>31932151
>but the EX/GX Collector boxes oftentimes feel like bait

absolutely but sometimes if you're a bitch like me that just really wants your favorite pokemon like pic related in card form you'll buy it anyway and pretend the other packs justify the price when they really don't.

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>>31932275
pshhh, that's nothing kid. Wait until you escape themedeck hell and ascend past playing standard which is a plebby format.

The bullshit level in Expanded is just fucking absurd, and I love it.

>>31932292
Eh, it's better to just buy the cards as singles mot of the time. Box is like $30 and the single card is like $3 or so.

A decent video on the value of of a ETB

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYqxpuIr_nU

>>31932228
>still denying that type fucking isn't in the game, in complete defiance of reality for no reason at all

You do realize there's a hidden ELO system right? That you don't just get picked with someone at random, right? The client matches you according to a certain set of stats. When you win too much, it is likely to "challenge" you with a deck strong versus yours, and it gets extremely tedious for this to happen in the current format where almost every deck has a direct counter, in which winning relies more on you being lucky and them not than anyone's skill. Your retarded argument about picking any deck and winning is just you desperately shifting goalposts from the original point.

It's a waste of fucking time and that's what I was saying to start with. God forbid someone criticize this coded-by-monkeys client, you'll get your head ripped off.

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I opened one of these IRL and got some special ass Charizard that is worth 50€, I just wonder if it was the best thing you can get from this or if there is anything else, or any bling bling stuff etc.?

And can you only trade this kind of stuff via private trades? I couldn't find the option to look for this stuff when looking to create a trade.

>>31932329
There are no good cards from that, try to trade it for a lot of packs or the SM/Steam Siege promos.

>>31932336
Please read the second question too, I don't think I can trade it normal ways. Also I don't have a clue about what its worth, trading companies don't have a word about it.

>always open packs despite the pulls never being worth more than they are as a tradeable commodity

who /thrillofthehunt/ here

>>31932228
In YGO, there's a theoretical deck among theorycrafters called the "Perfect Pivot Staple Deck", where you take 25 staple cards, 15 cards that make up a deck, and fill your 15-card Sideboard with the composition of ANOTHER deck. This allows you to radically change your strategy in between games, completely throwing off your opponent by basically having an entirely different deck between Game 1 and Game 2. It's "theoretical" because while multiple ways to build it exist, they're never functional because the decks that you CAN build it with are usually outdated as fuck by the time you can build it, so there's no competitive viability. Most casual matches are played in Singles, so there's no point in applying the theory there.

In PTCG? Changing FIVE cards can make your deck drastically different to play against. Most people are running the same 40-50 cards (barring basic energy types), with only about 5-20 being any different from the other guy's deck. Depending on the meta, maybe even less.

>At least its not YGO, where games are won on the opening coin toss
That's only in the really bad metagames, like the BA-fest we had a couple of years ago.

>>31932346
I see them for sale for ~ 5 packs. However the Evolutions and FC ones have almost nothing of value inside while SS and SM do, so it may be hard to sell.

>>31932361
The life of masochist just isn't for me

>>31932325
Yes there's a ladder, so you play against opponents of equal skill and equal deck quality
You can expect to win 40-60% of matches

You can't win every match

>>31932366
aight thanks, its fine, I have about 200 sm packs anyway, so not really short of packs as I don't even bling my decks.

>>31932376
I'm actually a masochist, and I don't understand that guy.

There's masochism and then there's terminal stupidity.

let me go straight to it;

I have only 4 challenges to complete where 2 are lv2

I will get completely nothing for that?

>>31932883
Don't know exactly what you mean but level 1 you get a coin, level 2 you get sleeves and level 3 is when you get a deck box.

>>31932896

eh, what will happen after I finish all types? I have 4 left and 22lv, those challenges gives some bonuses or what? what does lv affect?

>>31932902
You just max out at level 30. Don't know if you get anything for completing everything but you essentially learn the game, build/try new decks and then get a coin/sleeve/box for each type.

>deck has less than 10 energy
>energy every single draw with only 1 basic
>lose
>repeat 16 times in a row

NOT
LUCK

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how does this thread feel about people who collect cards just for the art and have never played a game in their lives

>>31932936

that's my sister basically, and me when I was 10, so can't say I hate them

>>31932936
That's fine. I collect flags on /pol/ but I've never lynched or gassed someone.

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>>31932936
Isn't that basically what Blingfags do?

>>31932936
I'm one of those people because I can't find anyone to play with. But I do play PTCGO so I think that's a good middle ground for when I can't play in real life. I held off on collecting the Final Fantasy TCG because of the IRL reasons.

Plus the art on the Pokemon cards is nice to look at.

>>31932936
I'd do that in real life if i had the money.

>Build decks I would never play
>Collect cards because they are pretty
>Blowing my money on something i enjoy

Sounds lovely to me.

>>31932936
I don't usually say this but I really don't understand why anyone on their right mind would collect cards that he will never use, looking at cards? just having them in a fucking binder? There is no point if they are not visible somewhere, like paintings, or part of your "le gaming geek room" decoration or something.

I don't hate anyone doing it but I just think its a waste of money and doesn't make much sense.

>>31933040
Saving them for resale value in 80+ years I guess.

>>31918804

I just realized I have to purchase only steam siege boosters/exchange SM for cards from this set...

>>31933045
Yeah valid point.

Reminds me of how I had shit ton of cards IRL in 1999-2002 but my fucking mom sold all of the cards back then and if she didn't, then I guess I would have very valuable set of cards.

>>31918804
>I don't usually say this but I really don't understand why anyone on their right mind would collect cards that he will never use, looking at cards? just having them in a fucking binder?

Who's doing that? why should i care?

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Do people actually believe they will get something with trades like these?

Woops. Eh whatever

>>31933130
They're hoping to get a sucker

>>31932936
I only play online but I've got a bit of a gambling addiction and I use packs as a substitute for scratch-offs or whatever. Thinking of trying to get one of every pokemon across the various sets, can't imagine that'd be too impossible (outside of sun/moon since that just dropped) as long as I'm not picky about what cards of that pokemon I'd get

>opponent spending 50 years to end his fucking turn when his only option is to attack

These people are worse than fucking Satan. I'd give them a benefit of a doubt and think maybe they're some dipshit kid if it weren't for their fucking expert-level deck.

>>31933278
A few of the kids I play with IRL are from richer families, and have some netdecked builds that they barely understand. A couple of times I've caught them netdecking builds, but using the wrong versions of specific cards.

>>31933309
Well then they deserve to have people mad at them because they're little shitters.

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>>31933328
>Kids deserve to have adults mad at them because they don't understand why their decks are good or how they function.
Please do everyone a favor and stop doing things that might have you routinely interacting with minors. Including playing this game.

>>31933344
Kids deserve to have adults mad at them because they're fucking turds. Don't try to deny it.

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>>31933278
>These people are worse than fucking Satan.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, sodomite.

>>31933309

I don't get netdeckers.

I mean, I do, but I don't. You didn't build that deck. That's not yours. You just copied it off the internet. Most of the time you didn't even bother adding a personal touch by changing some cards around.

I'm honestly happier winning one game every 100 with my shitbrews than I'd ever be winning consistently with something someone else made.

>>31933379
So, are you saying that instead of helping the kid and teaching them where they screwed up, you should just stop around and get angry about it on a Laotian Taffy Forum?

People like you are why I'm a teacher.

>>31933391
Eh, people want to be competitive, and they want to be the best, so they copy what they see as success. Sure, they oftentimes miss out on the various failures that built up that success, but refinement isn't inherently bad.

The problem arises when you don't understand the inner functions of a deck or strategy you've copied, and are just mimicking things blindly without context. It's not enough to know that Lysandre is better than Pokemon Catcher even though the latter is an item; you need to know WHY.

If you could choose 3 cards to rotate out effective immediately, which 3 would it be?

>>31933445
Sycamore
N
Shaymemes

We have to slow down

>>31933445
N
Shaymin
Vs Seeker

>>31933445
Sycamore, Ultra Ball, and Garbaggio.
Shaymin and VS Seekre aren't nearly so bad when it isn't easy to toss shit in the graveyard, and without Garbador so many more archetypes would be viable.

Have you ever gotten a MtG, YGO, etc player to switch exclusively to PTCG/PTCGO?

>>31933445
N
Shaymin

And just add tool removal item or even supporter so you can do something against Garbo..

Which sets are likely to rotate out from Standard next?

>>31933770
>And just add tool removal item or even supporter so you can do something against Garbo..
That's not the question. The question only allows you to ban shit, so garbador has to go.

>>31933835
No, no, no.
You rotate out Float Stone.

>>31933394
You should go kick them in their faggot midget dick and tell them they're basically a retarded mooch.

>greninja vs greninja
>go last
>have wally but not energy
>3 vs seekers and sycamore
might as well forfeit right there, but I didn't and I regret it.

>shadow stitching
>rough seas
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>>31932093

m8 I'm the one who capped that, but I didn't post it. Some anon saved the image and is reposting it.

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>mirror match
>my time: 20min
>opponents: 12

>>31930575
its so frequent that it's never actually happened to him.

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>>31934776

Good catch. I hadn't thought of it like that.

Make a healing-focused Klingklang/Dugtrio deck. Last three opponents have been mill decks.

I refuse to believe the devs are competent enough to actually make this happen.

>>31933445
Shaymin
Garbage man
Octillary (maybe, hate the idea more than the execution)

Garb aside, I hate non-support draw because I'd prefer strong draw to be locked behind that 1 per turn clause, and competing against other strong supporter effects.

>>31935666
Glad to see that Satan knows how to play card games.