/vgcg/ - VGC General

>>31916950
he wanted a rematch on the way home and I beat him then too

the secret to doing well is to just win every speed tie :^)

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>>31917006
>he wanted a rematch on the way home and I beat him then too
Ouch. Poor lad.

>the secret to doing well is to just win every speed tie :^)
Is there anyone else frustrated at how many speed-tiers there are in this damn format? I'm sick of so many games ending up on Kartana mirror or Kartana vs Ninetales or Koko Mirror where whoever wins the coinflip wins the match.

>>31917043
>Ouch. Poor lad.
it's all cool. He's the local TO in manchester so I bump into him a lot, we get along fine. He complimented me on how much better I was playing since my first battle against him back in london, so that was nice :3

>>31917006
This is probably what I hate about this meta the most how so many battles come down to a speed tie.

It's not fun at all that coin flips are so common no matter which way you swing.

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I want to pop Wolfe's gigantic zit.

cybertron vs sejun happening now

>always taunt the porygon2 turn one because my team is super weak to trick room, and they end up attacking
>the ONLY time i didn't, they do trick room and the game falls apart

Man, I hate these mind games. Time to switch back to a bulky offense team again.

>>31917363
You only do those crazy reads when you are losing and there's no other choice but take the gamble. Play it safe but while also being cautious most of the time anon.

>>31917385
See, that's the thing. I play safe every time but it never works for me, so I thought I would do it this time, but nope, the guy just does the obvious play and I lose turn one.

TR weak teams are garbage at this point in the meta anyway.

>>31917420
>>TR weak teams are garbage at this point in the meta anyway.
It's funny that you say this considering the OP pic of the thread.

>nee nae tales
>arca nee nae
God, I fucking hate Wolfe. Is that some kind of shitty meme?

>>31917437
? I actually say that BECAUSE of the OP pic. Gavin started a TR trend because of how strong it is currently, so teams that auto lose to TR are bad.

>>31917465
Oh, my mistake. I thought you said TR teams are garbage. I missed the weak somehow.

>>31917363
dont lead with mons that take lots of damage from porygon2's attacks (i.e. anything that isn't garchomp or kartana)

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is he our guy?
>>31917290
kek

>>31917571
yes, aaron and shoma are /ourguys/.

>>31917446
they're joke pronunciations he tells on youtube and irl. force of habit i guess

>>31917437
https://twitter.com/WolfeyGlick/status/835984648136241152

>>31917725
A joke is supposed to be funny and not make you look like an autsitic manchild, though.

best case scenario Enosh v Viera finals?

When is aDrive playing?

Huh, just found out that, under Tailwind, Mandibuzz speed ties with Koko. I guess I know where to dump the leftover 4 speed EVs.

>destroying a japanese gimmick team on battle spot

is there any better feeling?

Hopefully the next invitational invites other eastern players, it's refreshing to see Sejun,Shoma and their chink strats

SHOMA, STOP

SHOMA

>>31918770
NIPPON STRONK

YAMATO DAMASHII

LAND OF THE RISING SUN

GAIJINS GET OUT

Rooting for Aaron on this one since I don't like the jew.

>enosh doing the guardian of alola dance when he does the move
CRINGE
>>31918942
fucking kike lol
Aaron my boy is gonna win <3

>Best of 5
>Get 3-0
EMBARRASSING

i'm retarded, what are you guys watching and can i have link? Thank you

>>31919576
onenationofgamers @ twitch.

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>>31919562

So who do we cheer for? Adrive or Shoma?

>>31919864
Shoma. He deserves to win the whole thing for those plays.

Does anyone have the 2015 vgc teams pic? You know the one.

>>31919912
no, fuck off

>>31919864
adrive is friends with voldermortsify

Has Shoma ever brought that Magnezone in the entire tournament?

>>31916972
>>>>31919057
Please judge my meme team I made the day of the competition

>>31919925
Rude dude. You just had to say you didn't have it.

SHOMA DUDE

STOP

Really interesting how Shoma's Garchomp is slower than Togedemaru. I wonder what hits it's ev'd to survive.

>>31920245
Ice Beam from P2 maybe?

>>31920305
Yeah that could be it. I'm pretty impressed with how Shoma's played this series.

Shoma truly is /ourguy/

The finals are going to be hype as fuck.

Or it could be another 3-0 in Shoma's favor.

Why are Japanese so superior at game /vgcg/?

>>31919912
fucking find it on nuggetbridge and take a screenshot yourself, takes two minutes

who even wants it, it's just a dumb image used by karenfags / verlisify subs to drive home a shitty point

>>31920432
We may be thinking of different things but isn't it usually used by smogonfags in an attempt to show vgcfags how shitty their lack of tier system is?

Fuck them and their shitty Glitchxcity remixes, it's the only thing that gets on my nerves.

shame we have the worst commentators on the final, but should be interesting at least

>Killing his own Lele to get Magnezone in for free during TR
Fucking nip plays man.

SUPERIOR
NIPPON
PLAYS
FOLDED ONE MIRION TIMES

holy shit shoma slow down

I want Shoma to breed me with his superior Japanese player seed!

WHO'S READY FOR THE FLOOD OF SHOMA'S TEAM ON BATTLESPOT

I need to go watch 2015 worlds. They were saying how well he played the CHALK mirrors. I don't remember anything about it.

>>31920886
I can't beat to BTFO them because they are unable to play his team correctly.

Reminds me of when Sejun won Worlds and Showdown was flooded by the damn squirrel on teams it wouldn't have any place at. Specially teams with not even a single electric-weak mon. A total joke.

>Shoma going for crazy reads
>They all fail
BRAVO
R
A
V
O

>>31920975
>Shoma
Fuck. I mean Aaron

STOP IT SHOMA

HE'S ALREADY DEAD

>>31920975
>>31920981
holy shit he keeps making all the wrong plays

fucking rest in pieces

The best part is that Shoma never changed his leads. He's such a beast man, and instantly goes to my favorite VGC player spot.

>>31921025
>I can poison jab the lele and get trick room up safely
>better use earthquake to ensure my porygon gets its health as low as possible so I can lose

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3-0

3-0 3-0 3-0 3-0

3-0

What a fucking beast.

Oh shit guys, Shoma's Lele might have been Bold. Will that become the new meta?

>>31921101
That's too deep for baja gaijins to use properly.

>>31920524
we're thinking of the same thing. smogonfags do use it that way, that much is true, but it's usually used to whine about "muh diversity" iirc

>>31920377
That would require /vp/ to actually be good at the game though

And once more it's been proven that bulk > everything in doubles.

>>31916972
Link to the final from that OP image?

>>31921101
I personally run a Modest one with tons of physcal bulk, and from the damage I've seen through the matches, I think Shoma's is pretty similar, but I wouldn't rule out bold.

>>31921170
look it up in youtube is pretty easy to find

How do you unlock your battle box from the IC? I wanna play with the same team on BS now that it's over.

>>31921289
Oh nevermind, you just have to click on the competitions button and it gets automatically unlocked.

ALSO, all the teams from the invitational will be shared as QR codes. BRACE YOURSELVES.

http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/battle-gen7vgc2017-539598312

>>31921369
He lost already, kek.

>>31921369
How embarrasing

So how'd you do in the international challenge? I wasn't able to do the last few matches because I didn't know it ended at 7 EST, but I ended up 28-10. Is there any way to check your actual rating?

>>31922024
Went 37-8. I ended up in a pretty bad 6 game lose streak though, mostly because I was on tilt due to a game full of bullshit hax, and I was tired as fuck too, so I don't expect to be over the 1600s.

The rankings will go up in a week or two.

When is the International Challenge over? Is it over already? I only participated sparingly because I was busy, got in 21 battles. Shit's still locked up.

>>31922024
Not too hot, but my goal was to pass 1650, so I guess I did better than I expected. Ended up 25-9, my rating was like barely above 1700. I had some bad hax in some loses, but that's just the way it is. Half my loses were due to me playing badly so I can't complain about all of them.
The very last match I played was at 1695 with a guy that had exactly the same rating. I still had a couple of hours left before the tourney ended, but I was pleased with my rating so I called it a day.

>>31922192
It's been over for almost 5 hours. If you want to unlock your battle box you need to get the message that the competition has ended (so just try to battle again).

So, what do we know about the Mega Stones?

>>31922024
I haven't had internet for the past few days (until now ofc) so I wasn't able to compete.

I didn't pay attention to today's stream, what's happening in the tournament? Reading the thread shoma's bodying everyone, but I'm not sure what they did with those weird group things. Is this the semi finals or the group semi finals of top 8?

>>31922024
I started off pretty off but dropped at 14-7 after a terrible losing streak and a near tilt. Having an exam today didn't help as I couldn't really dedicate my weekend to it.

>>31922024
I ended up 31-14. Pretty happy with the results as I was expecting worst.

Is Drought torkoal viable? Any good sets for ally mons that make use of it's weather?

>>31922238
>my rating was like barely above 1700.
Usually 1700 or higher is enough to put you in the top rankings, 1800 is basically a guaranteed top cut.

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>>31922024
I went 27-18 with pic related. A few losses were due to my own stupidity (like forgetting that a Lucario had Air Balloon before locking my Scarfchomp into EQ). All in all, better than I expected for a cobbled-together team at the last minute.

Need to ask but have any recent tournaments had anyone using Hail finish decently? I've been looking and unless I've missed one there has been only like a single top cut player who has ever finished with either of the Hail setters.

I'm guessing Ninetales/Vanilluxe are kind of dead in the water right now with the meta moving towards hyper offensive speed creep vs hard TR and they sit in the uncomfortable regions of too slow/fast for either.

>>31924488
Ninetales has been top tier for a while, there were a few in top at the recent big regional. Vanilluxe was always a rare meme pick

>>31918018

Late but 20 EVs lets you outspeed Modest Pheromosa.

>>31924036
I think there were a fair amount of people over 1900s this time, so I don't think I'll get anything. It would be nice though

>>31924488
Ninetales is still pretty good, if just for Aurora Veil. Vanilluxe had it's moment in the spotlight and I think it's viable, but it's not too confortable right now

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>>31916972
>Shitmon like Salazzle, Gigalith, Snorlax, Hariyama, Drifblim, Vikavolt and even fucking Clefairy can thrive in VGC

Maybe I oughta pick this format up. It seems like a pleasant change of pace from Landorus and hazards: the experience

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>>31925099
Mind you, most of the things you mentioned are "viable" only and exclusively because of the Aloladex only format. Not because they are magically good in Doubles or something of the sort.

>It seems like a pleasant change of pace from Landorus and hazards: the experience
So naive.

Landorus-T is king here too whenever he's allowed to be used. Hazards are pretty much non-existant though. And it goes without saying but VGC is also Tapus - The Game, perhaps to an even bigger degree than Singles as they don't have nowhere as much competition.

I'm not telling you to not enjoy the format or that there's no "variety" compared to other formats but it would be wise to not come in here with false expectations of what it is when the reality is another.

>>31925099
I'm surprised actually. At the start of the season it seemed that every new non Tapu or UB pokemon was going to be very outclassed, except maybe Oranguru and some Alola-forms. Yet as the format developed we've seen some teams and memes that were reasonably strong using Mudsdale, Salazzle, Vikavolt, Incineroar, Oricorio, Rimbombee, Wishiwashi, Araquanid, Palossand, Mimikyu, Togedemaru, Drampa, Dhelmise, Kommo-o and even fucking Charjabug.
I think the only Alolamons left that aren't quite used that can be viable are Passimian and Primarina, once they get their hidden abilities.

But yeah >>31925137 is right. If we had an open dex, all this shit would be blown the fuck out. Even Garchomp, a top 3 mon, is nowhere to be seen when we have Landorus available.The limited dex is both a curse and a blessing

>>31925161
>The limited dex is both a curse and a blessing
>tfw when weatherfag and all the setters are there but almost no abusers
Feels bad man.

>>31925179
>tfw excited to use my man Ttar on vgc17
I just wanted to use my favourites masuda, thanks a lot

>>31925205
Would TTar even be able to survive on a Doubles Tapu Meta? He's already struggling to keep up in Singles.

>>31925205
Just play regular battle spot doubles, it'll help you for VGC future years anyway if you only care for tournaments

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>>31925246
Meanwhile at Battle Spot Doubles usage rankings.

twitch/pokemon is restreaming old worlds matches

>>31925655
>Current Match is Aaron getting JUST by Will o Wisp
Oh boy, that one was funny.

>>31922024
See>>31920092

God, I miss sprites so much

>>31925721
Hell no, watching this gen 5 match and it's so ugly

>>31925731
You are ugly

>Rotom survives with 1 HP
>Misses it's third WoW
Wew lad

>Double Rock Slide miss
Jesus

How did Aaron not slammed his DS during this is beyond me

>critical hits 2x damage
>infinite weather
>75% accurate will o wisp
>electrics not immune to paralysis
>basically nothing immune to spore
I forget how stupid this game used to be

>>31925773
I miss perma-weather.

I love gen 5.

Fuck Tapus and megas bullshit. Just use a Mamoswine like Arash and you deal with the genies.

This was painful to watch. Aaron got buttfucked by the RNG with a Dragon Dildo without any lube on his tight asian boypussy.

>>31925791
>tfw Defiant Acrobatics Flying Gem Tornadus is dead forever
It's not fair bros.

>1 HP critical hit eruption

lel

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So that was:

3 WoW misses
1 double Rock Slide Miss
1 self-confuse hit
5 paralysis
1 sp def drop
Crit when Rotom was in red
THE MADMAN OF RYOSUKE SWAGGER ON LANDORUS-T AND LANDORUS HITS HIMSELF RIGHT AFTERWARD

This match was full JUST for Aaron. He probably still thinks and has nightmares about this match.

And then this stupid-ass RNG blessed nip goes and fucks it all up on the finals vs Arash by leaving Heatran in front of Scarf Mamoswine and setting up Trick Room while having an Amoonguss in front and nothing capable of outspeeding it under TR and getting Spored the fuck out.

>>31925271
vgc 2018, pretty much

>>31925271
>>31926183
Those usage rankings look very much like people who accidentally went there to play vgc instead of the championship ladder.

There is no reason to use torkoal when mega charizard Y exists.

>>31926380
Remember that Bankmons weren't allowed to be there until recently plus all the gorillion mega stones missing. The usage stats are skewed because it didn't become full nat-dex until midway into the season.

S3 of Battle Spot will give more accurate stats of not-vgc18 as everything will be available from the start rather than midway.

>>31926380
For Trick Room I guess, since I don't think we have access to Mega Camerupt yet.

>>31926380
>>There is no reason to use torkoal when mega charizard Y exists.
What if I wanna a Sun team but wanna use another Mega? That's one reason.

>>31926410
Nobody used mega camerupt when it was legal either.

If you want to do trick room spread move spam, there are better things available.

>>31926380
There is a reason. Torkoal doesn't take a mega slot and can be used in trick room unlike zard.

>>31926411
regular ninetales also exists and isn't a slow piece of shit like torkoal

>>31926431
Regular Ninetales is an even bigger piece of shit with no moves and always loses the weather war.

Torkoal may be a slow piece of shit but at least has coverage and being slow helps it win the weather war.

>>31926419
Such as? Keep in mind that Torkoal's niche is strong Eruptions, not just Heat Wave.

>>31926440
Hailroom.

>>31926449
>>31926440
Also jellicent can do trick room + water spout shenanigans.

>>31926449
>>31926463
So how about the person using Torkoal actually wants to fucking use Torkoal for SunRoom or some other team idea it had? Even if there are "better" things that's still a niche only Torkoal can fill.

>>31926475
Regardless, it certainly wouldn't be popular enough to be #22 on the ladder. >>31926404 is right.

>>31926482
That's actually me. And I agree with your statement that regarding it's ladder position. I'm just arguing for Torkoal's niche on the format and how it has something going for it.

>>31926463
And why would you use Jellicent, a water type Pokemon, over Torkoal, a fire type Pokemon? It just seems like you hate Torkoal, so it instantly becomes the worst option in existence, even though it alone outdamages Jellicent with Eruption thanks to its ability.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Jellicent Water Spout (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kangaskhan: 142-168 (78.4 - 92.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Torkoal Eruption (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Kangaskhan in Sun: 213-252 (117.6 - 139.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Choosing Kang since it's a common mon and takes neutral from both.

>>31926495
Yeah I don't deny that it won't have a niche, I just don't think it'll be popular considering mcharY's sheer power.

I miss Talonflame

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>>31926609
Me too. What they did to him was truly unfair. It was not a nerf, it was murder.

>>31925271
Where's smogonsword? REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>31926720
25 you dummy.

>>31926404
Bank only released like a week after the season started so I don't think that made a big difference, I think some people just use their VGC teams (or slightly modified versions) on the doubles ladder

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THANK YOU GENIES

>tfw miss VGC 2015
>tfw miss gen 6 online background

>>31927281
>we still can't choose a background for wifi battles without hacking the console
it's the little things that bother me

>>31926636
>>31926609
fuck you, talonflame was cancer. automatically creating a gigantic headache for grass and bug, two already pretty shitty types and just have a base 120 priority move in the first place is retarded. talonflame is still usable too, as a TR/Taunt setter with Flynium Z

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>>31925271
>>31926183
>>31927058

>>31925228
He's pretty much the only good special offensive option Sand teams have besides MegaChomp and a really good one at that, it'll have his uses no matter what.

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Anyone going to sheffield who's still looking for a place to stay? I've ended up with a spare bed after someone bailed on me.

>>31925228
I'm sure it would have its uses. It always does. I'd imagine a Rockium Z DDance set would be strong, similar to gyarados

>Outplay opponent entire game despite a team disadvantage
>Lose anyway because of a Muddy Water accuracy drop
Who the fuck runs Focus Sash Gastro anyway

>>31929567
the same thing just happened to me, except I got both of my pokemon frozen on what would have been the last turn.

ded

Ran into a Gavin Michaels copycat team. The mimikyu didn't even outspeed my lele.

>celesteela speedcreeping arcanine

What the fuck are you doing? That takes almost full speed investment.

http://pastebin.com/njMzaq24

Are there any glaring issues with this team? I just made it, so it's not tested yet.

>>31932382
I'm not the biggest fan of SD Chomp or Firium Arcanine, but that's just me. Your team does kinda get rekt by Hariyama so be really careful if you ever face more TR oriented teams, overall it seems like a pretty good team though.

>>31916972
>snorlax
>hariyama
>drifloon
>vikavolt

What kind of fucking bizarro world is this?
What's the Krook build?

>>31932455
Completely forgot about Hariyama since I never saw one in 50+ battles from the IC and a few BS ones. I added Arcanine with Firium Z to get rid of Celesteela, but I suppose I can swap it to Waterium Z Araquanid to take better advantage of TR, not to mention that it one shots a few variants of Celesteela, and if it doesn't, some chip damage from the partner can help it do that. Another option I was pondering was Gyarados since that way I don't lose Intimidate and I bring another Fighting resistance, but not too sure about that one.

What would you suggest?

>>31932510
Also, SD Chomp was something I've been wanting to try out because people usually protect for me to either waste my Z Move or hit my partner with EQ, so if I can eliminate the Pokemon that's not protecting, or if they switch/double protect, I can get a free +2. It's all theory though, not sure how will it fare on practice.

>>31932510
Don't worry about Hariyama too much, it's not super common and it's manageable with your team if you play right, just be a bit cautious. You should probably keep Arcanine aswell, Kartana becomes a decently big threat to your team otherwise. You also should consider possibly switching to a special attacking set on your Arcanine, your team is a bit too physical heavy but it should be fine either way.
>>31932545
Yeah i'm not saying it's a bad set, I just personally haven't had good experience with it (same w/ firium Arcanine). It's probably worth testing at the very least, if you end up just switching to a standard set later anyways it's not a big deal.

>>31932489
Seconded, and I'd like to know the Drifloon's build, because ever since the match I've seen a lot of them on showdown holding a Terrain Seed.

>>31932510
In all honesty, Hariyama tears half the metagame to shreds in theory, but gets torn to shreds by the other half, so it's always pretty easy to counter.

>>31917106
I've never really used lele, but I made a team with it and have been losing about 90% of my battles. I blame the lele/arcanine speed ties.

http://trainertower.com/forums/threads/2017-sao-paulo-challenge.162/

Looks like they are organizing another tourney like the Australia one except for Brazil this time. Also, with prizing for the Top 4 instead of just the winner.

Anyone here gonna give it a try? The Melborune Challenge was rather fun desu.

>>31933279
>showdown

Eh, no thanks.

>>31933279
>tournament
>for money
>played on showdown

>>31933317
>Newfag
There was already one and it was a total success. This one is made by the same people so it's 100% worthy of trust.

>>31933285
>>31933317
>Le showdown is bad meme
t. sub 1000 shitters

>>31933331
Showdown is fine especially for practice but it shouldn't be touched for any kind of serious tournament

>shitty incorrect timer
>can easily tweak team inbetween matches
>anyone can spectate and communicate with the players
>could have any kind of small inaccurate mechanic or glitch

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hi there, updating from far forgotten South East Asia(SEA) but we had an MSS held over the weekend(25-26 feb) at Malaysia and here are the Top Cut usages.

btw the week before the MSS I won a PC with Buzzwole

>>31933431
I saw Sejun get beaten by a Vanilluxe+Sandslash team on stream yesterday too, pretty cool

>>31933431
That's pretty neat. Seeing results from Asian places is always cool.

>First place is one team I have except I have Snorlax over Hariyama and Ninetales instead of Vanilluxe

>btw the week before the MSS I won a PC with Buzzwole
What was your full team anon?

>>31933459

Buzzwole
Kartana
Pelipper
Golduck
Tapu Koko
Arcanine

The main objective is hyper offense, setting up tailwind and generally preventing TR from going up by the opponent

Random thought, how far has Stealth Rock ever been explored in doubles? I feel like with Arcanine on pretty much every team right now constantly switching in and out, it might actually have a niche. Just too bad there's not much to try it on without tutors.

>>31933567
Even when talonflame, charizard, and thundurus were popular, nobody used it. For what it's worth, nihilego learns it, and arcanine always switch out from nihilego. It'd be a perfect opportunity to set it up.

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>All these Drifblims I keep seeing now
At least they are easy wins.

>>31932657
Drifloon build is 12/-/236/12/236/12+ with Psychic or Misty Seed

Outspeeds Jolly/Timid Pheromosa after Unburden, outspeeds and burns Kartana, is never 2HKOd by Modest Lele's Psychic under Psychic Terrain (and can 2HKO 4HP variants back with Shadow Ball) and is never OHKOd by Timid LO Tapu Koko's Thunderbolt in Electric Terrain.

Tailwind/Shadow Ball/Will-O-Wisp are all pretty standard (Will-O is less useful if you're running Misty Seed but still worth it for non-grounded 'mon and overriding Terrains) and fourth slot can be anything from Thunderbolt to Destiny Bond to Disable to Haze. I run Thief to fuck with Porygon2.

>>31933785
I'm pretty sure a lot of sets run Acrobatics to give Drifblim a powerful STAB option. 110 Flying STAB coming off 80 atk may not be sweeping but it's not to be sniffed at either.

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>>31933785
>I run Thief to fuck with Porygon2.
Devilish.

>>31933792
Doesn't feel like it would be worth it desu. Not too many things that are really hurt by flying on the meta plus memedog being on literally every team making it weaker than it already is.

>>31933792
That's another option too, if you don't wanna be walled by most normal types. Fourth moveslot can genuinely be anything. I've also seen Sunny Day to beat opposing weather users.

Also it completely walls the Curse/Recycle/Return/High Horsepower Snorlax set that's been gaining popularity in the last month or so.

>>31933811
>I've also seen Sunny Day to beat opposing weather users.
Wasn't Shoma's one running Rain Dance?

>>31933795
If there is one thing I'm sure about the Drifblim/Lele setups now is we're going to see a even bigger rise of hard TR teams.

Once you've taken speed out of the equation since Unburden/Tailwind is pretty ridiculous you've just recreated Singles Scarf Lele with how it dominates the game except you know...without the Scarf so it's even stronger being able to run Z moves or LO.

There is just simply no other viable way to gain an advantage except coin flips and tanking will always come at a high cost no matter what. You can't even read the pink cunt by throwing a Feint and OHKO'ing it on the Tailwind turn because of the bullshit that is Psychic Terrain.

I really am not looking forward to the remaining months of this meta when all I see is a revolving door of trying to deal with Tapu Lele and getting BTFO by it simply running a new team member.

>>31933818
It depends on the team member I guess. If you're running Misty Seed obviously Rain helps in powering up Muddy Waters/Hydro Pumps from Fini, while other variants might opt for Sunny Day if they're teamed up with RK9 to boost Flare Blitz. It's a stupidly malleable 'mon.

>>31933824
Well, by that logic Talonflame + Lele would have long since be dominating the meta considering Talonflame is also guaranteed TR.

There's indeed value on that set-up but I feel like you are overrating it's effect. It's new toy syndrome. I won't last even 2 weeks.

>>31933785
You just reminded me of Wolfe's Thief Arcanine memeset and how butthurt he was about it got "scouted".

>>31933848
You probably meant Tailwind and not TR and I think it's kind of different when you consider Talonflame is a lot easier to kill, much slower and doesn't have a STAB which compliments this meta due to a woeful lack of viable ghosts and yes I don't consider Marowak very useful.

Besides it's not the combo I'm overrating, I did specifically say Lele + new team member because I know it'll just be multiple flavours of that. I'm just annoyed at Lele itself restricting what I can do and run all the time.

I'm actually hoping Lele/Kartana completely dominates this years worlds by being on every team if only to send a message to GF to get their shit together and this kind of game design isn't cool and get balancing.

>>31933864
That's stupid. It's fairly underutilized but it's a perfectly viable move. In the opening weeks of the meta even I realized Thief was basically one of Scizor's best moves right now. Just a shame about Scizor not being terribly viable in a meta where it's 4x weakness is everywhere.

For all that people keep spouting 'cancerdog' I don't think they realize how precariously that thing is holding the entire meta together as a third wheel that stops this being a Fairy vs Steel only meta.

>>31917904
ITS YA BOI DAN!

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>>31933899
>I'm actually hoping Lele/Kartana completely dominates this years worlds by being on every team if only to send a message to GF to get their shit together and this kind of game design isn't cool and get balancing.
Pic related. You waiting for that.

>For all that people keep spouting 'cancerdog' I don't think they realize how precariously that thing is holding the entire meta together as a third wheel that stops this being a Fairy vs Steel only meta.
Well, maybe if they allowed some more fucking fire types on the dex we wouldn't be dealing with this bullshit.

Muh restriction breeds creativity meme is a mistake. Just as too much freedom stiffens options restricting them too much stiffens them as well, perhaps even more than if letting things roam freely.

The Kanto X Alolan tourney looks interesting though all it adds are Venusaur, Charizard, Blastoise, Beedrill, Pidgeot, Arbok, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, Vileplume, Venomoth, Rapidash, Farfetch'd, Dodrio, Dewgong, Onix, Kingler, Electrode, Hitmonlee, Hitmonchan, Lickitung, Weezing, Tangela, Mr. Mime, Jynx, Omastar, Kabutops, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, All of the vanilla versions of the Alolan Variants, and Victreebell, Rhydon, and Seadra are also legal Island Scan Pokemon.
I think it might also include egg moves only available through the bank, but all pokemon have to be Alola born.
I think it'll be nice to be able to use regular Venusaur against the Tapus.

>>31934984
I don't see anything saying explicitly that they need to have the plus symbol on them. Also, it's a singles competition, who cares.

>>31933932
>Pic related. You waiting for that.
Not that anon, but to be fair, they have made changes after things that happened at previous worlds metas. After all the stupid spores, para hax, and will-o misses back in the gen 5 meta, those all got nerfed or buffed respectively in gen 6. And in gen 7, prankster, swagger, and twave both got nerfed, while -ate abilities and parental bond got a damage decrease.

I, too, wish they'd hire an actual competent game designer, but it's wrong to say they don't take notice at all.

>>31936167
And yet they left rock slide alone. Almost perfect.

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http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/catch-a-pokemon-regionals-doubleheader/

two official streams this weekend, one US one UK

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>>31933824
252+ SpA Tapu Lele Shattered Psyche (175 BP) vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Gigalith in Sand: 133-157 (70.3 - 83%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

228+ Atk Gigalith Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 164 HP / 92 Def Tapu Lele: 170-202 (102.4 - 121.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>31936238
It's gonna be tough to return to the common streams after the invitational.
40% games, 60% wait

http://www.trainertower.com/onog-pokemon-invitational-results-teams/

>>31936808
How the fuck do you beat shoma's team.
Everything I can think of fails against it, especially if you change lele to something other than specs and give it taunt.

>>31936887
Muddy Water accuracy drops :^)

>>31936887
TR and redirection I guess. He really only has pheromosa to stop porygon, so if you can deal with that, and have something to underspeed magnezone, TR would run through his team.

>>31936887
Theoretically a Rain or Sand team would actually not mind that matchup too badly. Other than that I guess Trick Room provided you can get it up in the first place under that kind of hyper offensive. That entire team is so fast that it basically has no real contingency other than to protect like crazy and trade blows until it runs out.

It really relies on the players involved, it's a pretty heavily matchup based team.

>>31936887
just have your own speed control and some goodstuff. Unless your team is super weak against his you should be fine.

Rough skin or sand veil on garchomp AV with a sand setter on team?

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>>31924014
It's actually a common enough pick in VGC that you'll see it in certain brackets of play here and there.

>Torkoal (You want eruptions. Lots of them.)
Quiet
252 HP/252 SpAtk/4 Spd or SpD
Firium Z
-Eruption
-Solar Beam
-Heat Wave/HP Ice (based on whether you wanna be able to reliably deal with dragons, or if you want a fallback if your hp gets low and Eruption stops being useful)
-Protect

Its 2 main allies are:

>Lilligant (with Chlorophyll, she generally moves first and using After You allows Torkoal a speedy Eruption, plus she can hit fairly hard while providing fast sleep support)
Timid
252 SpAtk/252 Spd/4 SpD
Focus Sash
-Leaf Storm
-Sleep Powder
-After You
-Protect

>Orangaru (It's a surprisingly beefy mon that provides T-room which torkoal loves, and more importantly Instruct, allowing for Double sun-boosted Eruptions)
Sassy
244 Hp/208 SpAtk/56 Def (the SpAtk EVs are flexible, just make sure you have the hp and defense for fucking over Kartanas, Pheromosas, and Groundium Z users. Teams with no Trick Room counters WILL double up into Orangaru looking for the quick KO, so it's something you need to learn to read)
Mental Herb or Sitrus Berry
-Psychic
-Instruct
-Trick Room/Focus Blast (if you don't wanna be walled by dark types take F-blast, but if Orangaru is the last pokemon on your field then you have bigger issues than that)
-Protect

All in all Torkoal is solid, but held back quite a bit by the overabundance of Arcanine, Gyarados, and to a lesser extent Garchomp. All three have the tools to either kill (Gyarados, Chomp) or cripple (Arcanine) Torkoal while not being particularly threatened in return by Torkoal or its supports. But, if the other pokemon around them burn down leaving you to deal with the threat at your leisure, that's another story entirely.

>>31937574
I think rough skin is better personally, but sand veil can be fun for memes.

>>31937587
>oranguru
no
stop that
it's bad now
and so are your sets

use lilligant offensively with grassium Z instead of focus sash
give torkoal heat rock so sun lasts longer as both of them are terrible without sun up
drop solar beam on torkoal, it hits nothing relevant, give it overheat or a hidden power instead. Sun dude uses bulldoze for speed control

add tapu bulu in the back to make lilligant nuke everything

drop oranguru entirely, it's bad. If you really want a trick room mon, use porygon2 or mimikyu instead

>>31937587
That lilligant is awful, not only are you using it wrong but there's no reason for it be Timid or have max speed, since it practically out speeds everything in the sun with way less investment anyway.

>tfw this saturday I'll have my 5th PC and get the last 10 points to 50 and I'll be able to order that sweet judge shirt
>it will take over 7 months to arrive

just

>>31938442
>not getting the hat

>>31938469
I don't have that much autism to wear a hat. Also, I don't know what hat you are talking about. I'll look at the store.

>>31938487
I know judges/TOs can get a special hat because my TO friend in manchester has one and likes showing it off.

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>>31938496
Uh, oh. that 35 points one.
That's all we can get from the store. Anything there takes months to arrive, some friends got their judge shirts 7~9 months after ordering them.

I played a PC this weekend, how long does it usually take for the championship points I won to appear in my Play Pokemon profile?

>>31937590
sand veil can change everything if it works

>>31939310
Why do you care? It's not like you'll be able to make enough to make it worlds anyway.

>>31939897
Not that anon but do you mean from the PC or in general? Because they still have enough time to make worlds if they're good enough desu

>>31939897
>not making it to worlds
im sorry you suck anon

Anyone want to battle?

>>31940800
sure, if you want to do showdown

>>31940810
Sorry I'm a noob, I'm on cart

>>31940907
oh alright, let me get my ds

>>31940981
Sorry, thank you. My IGN is Luke, and my fc is 3969-6216-1477. What's your friend code so I can add you?

>>31941012
3609-1138-6657
IGN is Bool

>>31940928
Instead of spectating, we could just play.

>>31941012
good luck Luke, let's have some good ones

>>31941069
not sure where my post went, but i'll have to turn down that offer. I've been laddering like crazy today so i'm not really in the mood to play atm.

>>31941130
Well you confidently beat me, I need to refine my team, but I had fun.

>>31941292
me too, it was fun. I noticed your team is kinda weak to Arcanine, so I exploited that.
What's the hidden power type on that xurkitree?
If I may give some advice, I don't think the sableye is doing much in there, maybe you'd be better off with something else

>>31941312
The hidden power is ground and it is designed to take care of Arcanine. My porygon is ev training in Poke Pelago now and is gonna run t-room, recover, ice beam, and shadow ball. It is going to replace the gastrodon. But with a second trickroom setter with some offensive presence i believe I have room for the sableye, and I fear I need some of its tricks. I initially was running a set of sub, taunt, quash, and feint, but I dropped feint for toxic to apply better pressure. The truth is it is really passive, It was simply supposed to guarantee my mid speed trickroom sweepers to like Xurkitree and Bulu to knock out the necessary target. But I missed move predictions and quash predictions so I can't say I'm sure it's right for my team.

>>31941393
Just a heads up, thunderbolt deals more damage to arcanine than hp ground.
Thunderbolt has a power of 90, and thanks to the same type attack bonus it gets a x1.5 boost, leaving it at 135 power.
Hidden power is 60, if it's super effective it gets a x2 boost, reaching 120. I'd replace it with Energy Ball or Hidden power Ice for the garchomps. I can give you one with that hidden power type, if you don't mind it being injected.

>>31941497
I appreciate that, I have a timid hp ice, and my hp ground Xurkitree is modest, but I'm pretty sure if I run the Xurk I need the hp ground for a vgc17 format, I know ice really hits more diverse pokemon, but I need to be able to hit A-Marowak super-effectively on the switch. But I'm new to this so I won't claim experience I lack.

>>31941571
>I need to be able to hit A-Marowak super-effectively on the switch
that's a fair point.
Keep on anon. If you can, go to tourneys, they really are great practice, and fun too

If you get kicked back to Festival Plaza, was that a disconnect on your end?

>>31942185
yes

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Got a couple of questions that might seem strange. Mostly aimed at competitive Battle Spot peeps. I'm new to competitive pokemon and I didn't really see the answers to my questions in the pastebin or on Google.

First:Do the ratings in Rating Battles directly correspond to ELO? Like, is 1500-1600 Bronze, 1600-1700 Silver, etc.. I just hit the 1700's bracket and I would appreciate having a better grasp of how well I'm doing.

Second: What's a good Win/Loss ratio to maintain? I'm sitting at W26/L11. Should I just expect to win 2-4 battles in a row and then get stomped? That seems to be the process so far.

Thanks in advance for any input!

>>31942517
Why do people feel the need to compare everything to their mobashit?
The ratings don't have any corresponding color, metal, whatever the fuck. The highest in the country and probably the world right now is either somewhere in the high 1900s or 2000s. There's not differing brackets, as you can face a 1500 player despite being that high up. 1700s is average, so you're not good, but you're not bad either. A good win loss ratio can only be determined by you, but generally you should want to win as many games as possible to go further up the ladder. 26/11 is pretty good, at least in my opinion, provided you keep winning over losing or go on a losing streak, which is entirely possible.

>>31942517
You should try to maintain a 2:1 win/loss ratio. If you get higher than that, you're doing something wrong so you should just forfeit your next few games.

>>31942553
This chess/League was the first thing that came up in Google when I went to look up ratings. Chill. I assumed most competitive games used some variation of it on different scales, so my bad. I just wanted a clearer picture. If it's not already painfully obvious, I'm new to all this pvp shit.

I didn't realize that there were not brackets though, that's interesting. The lack of consistency is a bit disappointing, but free wins are still wins I guess. So I can just get my shit kicked in by a high rated player at any time.

I figured if I ever go on a losing streak I'd just take a break and adjust my team or playstyle. I like that you can modify your team bit by bit to compensate for weaknesses you find with having to start again at the bottom.

Thanks for the info, I'll keep it in mind.

>>31942574
Ah hell. Don't you lose more rating if you are beaten by people with significantly lower rating than you? Can I intentionally lose to less detrimental players?

How often do you switch teams? I've been running the same team with variations for a couple of months, but hit a dead end with how to improve it. Made a new team, got fucked constantly, but now I'm getting in the groove. Already though I have an idea for another team I want to use, but I still want to use my current team.

>>31942752
I usually switch up my teams every two weeks give or take, I have reigonals coming up soon though, so I've just been testing stuff recently.

>>31942636
I was joking about throwing games. Your targets should be based on how you feel, and how confident you feel that you could reasonably improve and win more of your games. A lot of players who do well in tournaments don't even ladder that high on Battle Spot or Showdown, they just play enough on enough alts to make sure they know how to play their teams.
Also keep in mind, there are two players in each game. Sure, you can expect to win against somebody in the 1400s more often than not, but by the same logic, you shouldn't set an expectation that you should consistently beat somebody just slightly beneath you, since
a) they probably have their own goals and standards too
b) a lot of people get their rating reset quite regularly, so it's possible that 1500 player has a 35W-2L streak if they hadn't just changed 3DS for a few days.

>>31939310
Usually a few days, the points I got at a PC I played at last sunday are on my account.

>>31939310
It's whenever the TO uploads the export from the tournament software to Pokemon.com. The deadline for doing so is seven days after the tournament, after which they can't do it, but I've never heard of that happening.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but in UK basically every TO is very active posting either on forums or in their Facebook group, so you should be able to contact them if it doesn't go through.

>>31942636
pvp isn't really meaningful in pokemon. It's there, but nobody really cares for rating, it's about personal goals as the other anon said. Like, getting top 10 in your country or some shit like that. I think the main point of it is to provide a place for players to practice, and the rating system is there for matching players with similar ratings (which usually doesn't occur).
if you're just starting, reaching 1700s seems like a good enough goal. But of course you should want to win every game.
If you want to be considered good by other people, you should go to tournaments and do well in those.

>>31942752
what?

>>31945535
?

what if garchomp only wears a scarf because he is cold from all the ice moves

Man, I keep running into idiots that copy Gavin's team while also using retarded sets like slow and bulky Mimikyu and Scarf Magnezone.

I mean, it's free points, but it's not fun to win against these kids so easily.

>>31948113
>Scarf Zone
>on hard TR
Is such a thing really possible?

>>31917783
You're on the wrong board, lad

>>31948138
Never underestimate how stupid people can be. Like how they slapped Pachirisu into literally every team back in the post-worlds 2014 era.

>>31948138
I used to find Scarf Rotom to be a great addition to what was otherwise hard Trick Room back in Gen 6. It helps to have something fast that has a good chance of coming in late-game and getting a quick kill, since Trick Room will run out in 90% of your games.

Why does Gavin's Magnezone have a spread of 248 HP / 252 SpA / 8 Spe? Isn't this wasting 8 EVs due to lv50?

>>31948890
According to the pastebin he twitted, it doesn't have that spread

>>31948890
HP Ground.

>>31948966
Huh, must be using an earlier pastebin then.

Where is my Beedrillite

>>31950721
Let's hope we won't have to wait much more

>>31950721
It's not like you're going to be able to use it anyway, so there is no need to get them early with the GL code.

up you go

>>31951206
I mean, in fairness, M-Beedrill and M-Mawile would be great in this meta if they were legal
But Alola dex already has Kangaskhan, Salamence, Metagross and Gengar, who would probably still be better

How do I beat Shoma's team?
It's everywhere on BS.

>>31953561
have your own speed control + a lele counter and don't be bad.

>>31949075
With hyper training, hidden power doesn't affect EV spreads anymore

>>31953561
Is it that good? I was thinking of trying it but it's not exactly my playstyle

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>Play for the first time in 2 weeks
>Encounter 3 Shoma rip-offs team in a row
>All of them lead Lele and Drifblim
>Beat all 3 of them by going Tbolt with Koko on Drifblim and Never Ending Nightmare with Mimikyu on Lele
>They all just sit there hoping for me to I don't know set up Trick Room I guess
>This was in the 1600+

This is fucking embarrassing.

>>31953554
Most actually seem to be defaulting back to Char-Y for their Mega.

>>31953887
>a lele counter
You say that like it's an easy thing to come up with, most are just using makeshift checks and the thing is still undisputed queen on the Doubles ladder.

The only 2 true counters in this whole goddamn meta against that pink tart is A-Muk and Metagross both of which who are deathly allergic to Garchomp who is currently No.1 which says a lot.

>>31955040
you must be blind or something if you can't see a Pokémon as big as Celesteela

>>31955108
>Thunderbolt

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>tfw you make a team you feel 100% comfortable playing with, satisfies your aesthetics and team members for your inner karenfag and last but not least it's also working correctly and you win with it more often than you lose
Is there any better feeling lads? I don't believe there is.

>>31955151
>implying celesteela dies from a simple sitty thunderbolt
Try harder. The only real thing that makes it go down is fire, which is why it's great under rain or any kind of reflect to fuck with fire pupper, while spamming EQ with garchomp.
Besides celesteela you can try mudsdale to deal with lele. Great offensive movepool, while being twice as heavy as snorlax, and has great defenses, especially with stamina, and assvest to cover for special.

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>>31955430
I'm pretty fond of my current Koko+Mimikyu lead to deal with Lele.

>Can tell immediately if it is Scarf because Electric would go off second
>Mimikyu outspeeds and hits hard of kills if it not

Plus I've got Celesteela in the back too as part of my main core.

Honestly, Koko keeps being the most annoying Tapu for me. Fucking hate Koko vs Koko speed-tie wars.

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>All these damn Drifblim 9 out of 10 matches
It's like I'm back to 2014 when Sejun just won.

>>31917043
then run Trick Room fgt

>>31956387
Can't wait for verlis to say he invented Drifblim and if it wasn't because of him, nobody would run it.

>>31956418
o-ok

So what is this Drifblim set I keep hearing about? I assume it's a terrain seed/Unburden, then what? Acrobatics? I heard Wolfe was testing Thief.

>>31957357
http://www.trainertower.com/onog-pokemon-invitational-results-teams/

>>31955040
Lele isn't that hard to counter desu

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>>31955465
>>Can tell immediately if it is Scarf because Electric would go off second
I want to point out that a fair amount of scarf lele specifically underspeed koko by one point just to win the terrain war and trick you into thinking it's not scarf.

>>31957872
I've yet to see that with any Shoma copycat so far. Or ever at all really.

99% of them Shadow Ball Mimikyu with Drifblim and then die to Never Ending Nightmare. The only reason I can think about why they do that is because they are expecting me to TR. I've literally only fought one person who switched their Lele out.

>>31957990
I've encountered a few of them at tournaments. There's really not much reason to make scarf lele faster than koko, because IIRC it doesn't quite reach pheromosa anyway.

>>31958000
That assumes you run max speed Pheromosa which there is absolutely zero need to do. Almost all Pheromosa's run neutral for the Beast Boost buff and because they already comfortably outrun Koko with a neutral nature.

>>31957192

>>31956666
satan confirms?

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>VGC 2014

>>31960959
this is why you hide your powerlevel

>>31960959
me on the left

>tapu bulu is about to drop from the top 30 most used pokemon on battlespot

F

>>31961473
F

>>31916972
I'm late to the party on this but why has Porygon suddenly become so popular?

>>31961508
it's a super bulky normal type in a meta with next to no good fighting types.

memes

Dicks

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This month there is a Regional tournament in Sweden, Malmo, the place where the tournament is is on the left side on the picture and on the right side there is Rosengård which is basically a "No-Go Zone" where even Police can't go easily, rip dreams of going to Regionals there lmao.

>>31964556
A No-Go Zone full of immigrants I meant to say.

>>31933431
>melvin the madman still rocking xurkitree
My yellow nigga

>>31936887
I tried it and got utterly destroyed by ninetails+TR nihilego

>>31964556
>>31964568
What's the matter anon? Why are you so scared of a few moderate muslims? It's a religion of peace after all! You shouldn't judge a whole religion and people after just a few bad people! Could it be that perhaps you are a racist?

>>31964787
nice /pol/-tier bait

>>31964836
It's not bait if it is true.

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Reminder of how the meta has changed

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>>31965164
3/3

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>>31965172
1/4

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>>31965164
5

>>31964556
I'm going too

>>31965446
Lele+Metagross is rather shitty here desu. Maybe it'll be good next year when M-Metagross is usable just like how it super duper good in Singles.

>>31965527
have you been playing the last week?

>>31965691
?

>>31965177
>starters with HA

>>31965758
>showdown

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Migrate whenever:

>>31965856
>>31965856
>>31965856
>>31965856