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Question:

How would you make Gale Wings better than it is now but worse than it was in gen 6?

>>31887427
Only works above half health.

>>31887427
Either a set amount of times or make it stop working at less than 2/3rds health.

>>31887427

Gale Wings was balanced in Gen 6. I don't know why people say otherwise.

im using it now in gen 7 doubles and its a good pressure for lots of mons but its easily countered by lele's ability

>>31887468
just use pinsir lol

>>31887427

it now works like fake out/first impression were it only has boosted prio once when the mon is in battle and requires to be swaped out and back in to have the prio.

>>31887427


Just make goggles ignore terrain alongside weather and spore immunity too, there it's fixed

>>31887379
Fuck you, you deserved everything you got.

>>31887639


Make zoom lens negate the priority nerf makes sense glasses let them see better even in a warped dimension and even if they're filthy dark types

>>31887427
Make it just be double speed at full health, like Alolan Raichu's ability on Electric Terrain

Now not blocked by priority suppressants, and affects all moves.

>>31887434

This is probably the fairest way to do it from an objective standpoint. That way odd HP could still leave you with enough to get the effect after stealth rocks.

As a monotype grass fag though, fuck talonflame, I hope it never fucking comes back, I hope it gets nerfed worse.

>>31887457

>120 base power priority attack

Bullshit. Talonflame completely shit on anything weak to flying, or anything neutral to fire/flying that is moderately frail.

You can be weak to dragon and still beat garchomp, you can be weak to ghost and still beat gengar, you can be weak to ground and still beat landorus. But I dare you to name 3 pokemon weak to flying that can beat talonflame reliably

>>31887760
Who cares, just use Lele.

>>31887427
Revert it as it was in gen 6
>>31887457
This

Talonflame was a shitmon with horrible stat (except speed) and a terribly narrow offensive movepool which was very
foreseeable. The ability was the only saving grace, it was balanced by the fact that the user of it was a piece of shit.

>>31887808

>gale wings was balanced in gen 5
>JUST USE A GEN 7 MECHANIC LOL

learn to read retard

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>>31887847
>Gale Wings
>Gen 5

>>31887760
I'll do you one better

>252 Atk Choice Band Gale Wings Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Tangrowth: 288-342 (71.2 - 84.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>4+ Atk Tangrowth Rock Slide vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 316-372 (106.3 - 125.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>252 Atk Choice Band Gale Wings Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Torterra: 326-386 (82.7 - 97.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>0 Atk Torterra Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 452-532 (152.1 - 179.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>252 Atk Choice Band Gale Wings Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Conkeldurr: 320-378 (77.2 - 91.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>0 Atk Conkeldurr Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 560-660 (188.5 - 222.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>252 Atk Choice Band Gale Wings Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Throh: 342-404 (77 - 90.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
>0 Atk Throh Stone Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 380-448 (127.9 - 150.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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>>31887760
>Amoongus has a higher attack than Talonflame
Like seriously anon if you didn't know how to handle Talonflame you deserve to lose

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>>31887847
>gale wings
>gen 5

>>31888339
>not adamant
Yeah your whole point is moot

>>31888656
make it adamant and only torterra goes down

what about it?

>>31888672
hazards nigga

>>31888656
Their point was moot when they decided that everyone runs physically defensive Tangrowth, Torterra, Conkeldurr, and Throh.

>>31888685
You asked for pokes that beat it and I gave them to you. Now it's a popularity contest?

I ran them to beat Talonflame. Prove I didn't.

>>31888681
Rapid spin nigga

>>31888714
Any Ghost type nigga.

>>31888749
Oh, do I get to pick two extra pokes? Because now I have to beat Talonflame, a hazard setter AND a ghost type.

Of course burd is going to win if you stack the deck in its favor

>>31888794
>Of course burd is going to win if you use common tools any good team should have
ftfy

>>31888864
Look at those goalposts move.

All other things equal, Tangrowth, Throh, and Conkeldurr can beat Talonflame.

Prove me wrong. You can't.

>>31887760
Only people garbage at team building had trouble with Talon in ORAS

>>31887427
Only attacking moves so roost doesn't benefit

>>31888900
>Throh
>beating anything

>>31888900
Yes. Those horrible (barring tangrowth) Pokemon can beat Talonflame. They are liabilities, however, especially when run as you have suggested, and as such are not viable picks for doing anything BUT surviving Talonflame.

Not that anon, but that's my two cents. You've answered his challenge correctly, but in the most useless, wildly flawed way possible.

>>31889795
No shit they're not great outside of that situation. You'd be much better off using a pokemon that ISN'T weak to flying to deal with Talonflame, but saying "no pokemon weak to flying can beat Talonflame" is ridiculous hyperbole and incorrect.

>>31887457
This

Seriously l'd rather fight Gale Wings Talonflame all day than actually cancerous priority abusers like Prankster Thundurus and Prankster Liepard

>>31887417
No one touches me