Why is there no Sound type? The groundwork is all there. Super

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>>31866073
Good idea OP. I can dig it.

>>31866073
Super effective against lightning too please, that type has too damn few weaknesses. With some lame thunder/lightning excuse you could pull it off.

>>31866145
lightning = electric. Perdón por el retraso.

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normally this shit sounds stupid to me but this seems fairly thought out enough for me to be a little accepting to the idea.

good work, OP

>>31866073
Because new types need to be in a way that they're balancing something, and there more mechanics that you're not thinking of besides soundproof, like being able to hit past subs, as well as the overall nerf ingredients of hyper voice by giving it typing.

>>31866073
Lets be honest, we all know where this thread is heading, so lets get this out of the way: GameFreak would be better off tweaking the current type chart instead of forcing new types into the game. As for the concept of a Sound type in general, I think its too limited in scope to what new mons could be given the type.

>>31866185
Round, Echoed Voice, and Hyper Voice seem to be the only normal moves that can hit through substitutes as is. M-Salamace and M-Gardevoir would both suffer from the loss of STAB Hyper Voice. Would Round and Echoed Voice given better STAB options be enough to make them overpowered, would the loss of STAB Hyper Voice neuter Salamance and Gardevoir too much, and would having more reliable counters to Substitute hurt the meta?

>>31866073
The Normal type is the sound type. What special attacks other than Hyper Beam and Tri Attack could the normal type have if it lost its sound moves?

>>31866073
Ground is susceptible to vibrations just as much as water and steel, you stupid cunt.

>>31866329
Contact moves that don't touch the Fighting Field.

>>31866130
>>31866167
This, but also

>>31866228
This.

Better to tweak the existing type chart than muddle what concepts could be divvied up in general amongst even more types. Fairy's muddled Psychic concepts a bit IMO, and Rock got lucky you can claim gems and glass are Rock-type things to use for moves and pokemon concepts being so in-between Steel and Ground as a concept.

>>31866329
Trump Card
Swift
Spit Up
Sonic Boom
Razor Wind

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So with these changes, would Soundproof Mr. Mime become a viable choice for Fairy Mono?

>>31866463
It most likely would just to check them.
Now if there was a sound/poison type, not so much.

>its a "lets add a new type to buff my favorite mon" thread

>>31866185
No need to nerf hyper voice as the strongest users wouldn't abuse it with their -ate ability anymore.
On other pokémon It isn't even that strong, is on par with surf/tbolt/etc...

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>>31866538
Quick, name your favorite Pokemon and what new type it would be.
Toxicroak
Poison/Delinquent

>>31866717
Emboar

Fire/Thicc

>>31866717
Ludicolo and Hawlucha are both made into Spicy! type Pokemon.

>>31866717
Tyranitar
Rock/Kaiju

>>31866717
Bisharp

Edge/Maverick

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>>31866717
Water/Dancing

>>31866073
>Not very effective against bug
ya ever yell at a spider?

>>31867644
You ever yell at a cicada? You can't, cus they're too loud.

>>31867701
ya got me

>>31867701
Clearly you're not yelling hard enough, I once made a housefly explode by yelling at it.

>>31866073
Because "Sound" makes no sense from a defensive standpoint. You can picture an attack on any other type (seriously, give me an example where you can't. The best I can do is Dark, but remember that just means evil; Fighting, but that's just muscular; and Electric, but that can be a static charge). You worked out all the offensive type effectivenesses, but I think you purposefully avoided the defensive ones.

There's a reason we only have sound-based moves and not a sound type. It's perfect the way it is.

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>i want a type that's strong against all the types i don't like but weak against all the types i do like

>>31867797
Ya ever see those sound cannons, cover your ears at a fire truck going by, or run to beat the shit out of your fire alarm but scramble and just make a mess? Thats its defense, to be so god damn discombobulating.

>>31866073
>Sound NVE against Ice
>when yelling can cause avalanches
try again

>>31867797
I would liken sound to vibration, but that does still make it hard to pin weaknesses. Maybe ice, like snow dampening sound waves and slowing movement. I dunno if Ice needs more offensive pros though. I was also trying to account for other types needs, but I'm no expert player so I probably don't know best in that regard.

>>31866073
WHy super effective against Ice?

Loud sounds cause avalanches

>>31866073
While I totally agree.

This idea has been put forward a few thousand times now and we all know Game Freak ain't gonna do it.

>>31867894
Gamefreak isn't gonna let us fuck pokemon either, but we get 20 threads with that subject a day.

>tfw gamefreak will always dangle light and sound types in front of us
>tfw they'll give us something new but its fairy

Not to defend an idiotic idea, but crumbling half an ice mountain with a shout seems pretty SE against ice.

>>31867881
Yeah, but that's like an "offense is the greatest defense" scenario. You're still attacking, essentially.

What differentiates a Sound-typed Pokemon from a Pokemon capable of using Sound-typed moves? Sure there's proficiency, but from a physical, tangible angle? I don't see it.

Fires are on fire/are hot/contain fire. Fairies have some sort of fairy dust sprinkled on them or some shit. Grass types have vegetal parts. Just can't see how you'd apply that to Sound.

>>31867876
>Avalanche now quadruples in power when it was activated by a Sound move.

>>31866073
>psychics keep their focus really well with the sound

This would be the opposite. Super loud and irritating sounds always makes psychics lose their concentration

>>31868380

this. sound type would be super effective against psychic and fighting due to the concentration being lost

>>31867769
Underrated

>>31868380
>>31868576
Psychic doesn't need to be nerfed

>>31866430
>Sonic Boom
>Not made sound type.

Are you high?

>>31868646
Of course it doesn't, but the logic just wasn't sound

Because it's just silly and somewhat autistic. I understand what you guys are insisting on, but you can have a 'mechanic' as part of a type without forcefully codifying it as a type.

It'd be like creating a Pulse type so that the Mega Launcher mechanic is more explicit, or a Laser type just because Hyper Beam seems like "the groundwork's all there".

>>31868728
It's not considered a sound move as is.

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>>31868576
I would think psychics would be too smart to let their concentration be broken by something like that.

The new "fuck over Empoleon hard for no reason" type.

>>31866717
Politoed
Bounce/Water

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>>31869309
Wah!!! But Empoleon!

>>31866073
Because everything produces sound

>>31870445
Everything in Pokémon can be normal and fight, too. Just give stuff Sound coverage moves.

>>31866073
>Why is there no Sound type? The groundwork is all there.

Because it's unnecessary as fuck. Sound works better as a secondary move property than a full blown type.

>>31870473
It would be cool to get a Sound-type imo, and it would help balance some stuff in my opinion. Exploud, for example, would be buffed considerably. And it wouldn't do anything but nerf already strong mons orherwise. Only problems imo is Noibat's and Noivern's types, and nerfing Boomburst (maybe a Draco clone?)

>>31870464
>Everything in Pokémon can be normal and fight, too.

No no no, fuck you. Not every Pokemon is a specialized martial artist, and not every Pokemon specializes in some sort of normal attribute either. There are just too few Pokemon who specialize in 'sound' to warrant a new type, and those that do already fit well enough into their current type that it doesn't warrant the overhaul.

>>31870556
Pokémon Battling by definition IS a martial art
And remind me again, what martial art Primape, Meloetta, Conkeldurr, and Pangoro specialize in.

How do you make a physical sound-type move? Remember, it's sound, not just any vibration.

>>31870802
>Pokémon Battling by definition IS a martial art
I've heard of pretending to be retarded, but this is just silly.

>And remind me again, what martial art Primape, Meloetta, Conkeldurr, and Pangoro specialize in.
Primape is a brawler, Meloetta is a dancer, Conkeldurr is construction worker, Pangoro is a Bancho. They're not all martial arts but they are all specialists that fall under the Fighting type.

You can't just take any Pokemon and call it a Fighting type and more than you can call any Pokemon that could swim a Water type, or any Pokemon that thinks a Psychic type.

>>31870951
Sound punch, Sound kick, Sound tackle, Sound body slam, Sound giga impact. Am I doing it right?

>>31870951
They'd probably make some bullshit like throwing CDs like shurikens to make physical sound moves.

>>31870975
mar·tial arts

ˈˌmärSHəl ˈärts/

noun

various sports(formats) or skills (moves), mainly of Japanese origin(kek), that originated as forms of self-defense(any defensive strategy) or attack(any offensive strategy)

Oh and Toxic was a martial art technique developed by ninjas hundreds of years before the game that almost every Pokémon can learn, isn't even offensive, and guess what isn't Fighting type.

>Primape is a Brawler
Like Incineroar?
>Meloetta is a dancer
Like Lilligant, Oricorio, Bellossom?
>Conkeldurr is a construction worker
Fucking kek
>Pangoro is a bancho
Like Honchkrow

Sure most Fighting types have a link to TRADITIONAL martial arts, but it doesn't define the type and they make exceptions all the time. Sound would literally work the same way.

Someone /thread me

>>31866073
Should be SE against ground too since like with water we can use soundwaves to see in it.

>>31866284
Since when are Salamence and Gardevoir normal types?

>>31871130
Holy fuck are you mad right now. Do you get that this is why people hate you "why isn't there an X type" faggots? When presented with a rational argument against a new type, you follow it up with blatant jumps in logical reasoning such as "how can two Pokemon based on similar things be different types?" and "well if you think about it any Pokemon can be any type if you use your noggin", all which have been debunked to death.

As of right now, Sound type is redundant with special Normal type moves and there really isn't enough Pokemon for whom it would be worth adding the Sound type. That could change in the future, but Fairy type cut out a lot of what Normal type had a generation ago in terms of move variety.

>>31871288
Aerialate, Pixilate.

>>31871327
>when presented with a rational argument

>>31871327
WeW lAd
>Presented literal text book definition
LOL U MAD BRO :DDDDD

Well, pack it up boys

>>31871337
Feel free to point one out to me, because as of yet you haven't presented a one that isn't "hurr any Pokemon can be any type because it's a video game"

>>31871411
Present an actual argument, please.

>>31866073
Why is there no Fist type? The groundwork is all there.

Super Effective against Fairy, Steel, Ice and Bug
Not very effective against Psychic, Fighting, Dark. Ghost is immune.

Resistant to Fairy, Steel and Fighting
Weak to Psychic, Fire and Dark

Steel and Ice are weak because those can be broken by a fist if enough force is applied, Fairy and Bug because the little shits die to fist.

Can't really hit anything in the dark and psychics can stop you. You can't hit ghosts, other fighters can block your hits with their style. Fire burns you.

All fist-based moves are changed to Fist type but if they were originally another type they do damage from both types, like Flying Press does.

Ghosts are immune to double-typed Fist moves too.

Fist is never a solo type and is only an addition or a secondary type change, for now. Some include:

>Machamp
>Geodude(ONLY GEODUDE, Rock/Fist)
>all three Hitmons(yep)
>Ambipom
>Slaking
>Hariyama
>Electivire
>Dusknoir
>Emboar(Fire/Fist)
>Darmanitan(base only)
>Cofagrigus
>Diggersby(Fist/Ground)
>Unbound Hoopa(Dark/Fist)
>Midnight Lycanroc
>Pyukumuku

>>31870556
>specializes in some sort of normal attribute either

I'm against this sound type idea but this has to be the most retarded shit i've ever seen. Normal type is a complete lack of specialization, you can't specialize on normal.

>>31871457
>>31866717
>>31866753
>>31867212
>>31867302
>>31867329
>>31867340
>>31869382
Someone really needs to keep track of all these new type ideas.

>>31871327
Well he fucking raped your stupid ass argument for fighting types.

Mostly any pokemon type that is not elemental in nature (Psychic, fighting, ghost, dark and maybe fairy) are not actually subject to ground rules, and you can find a lot of design and inspiration variations in all of these.

>>31871433
Maybe you missed this
>>31871130

To keep it short, Sound is special enough to receive it's own type, as there are plenty of Pokémon who are based solely around the concept and would perform these move better than others, plus it wouldn't inhibit Normal types from functioning. Slap two or three new normal type moves in their place, like XY did and the normal movepool would be even BETTER. They'd now have reliable coverage, particularly against Steel and Rock types, and have they're own moves to fire off.

Don't worry about replying. If you feel the urge, no constructive conversation can help you.

Here are my sources:
>For martial arts definitions
>https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/martial%20art
>http://www.dictionary.com/browse/martial--arts
>http://www.encyclopedia.com/sports-and-everyday-life/sports/sports/martial-arts
>http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/martial-art

For the distribution of that one Sound based move you're referring to
>http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Hyper_Voice_(move)

>For preventative actions to avoid a suicidal crisis
>(800) 273-8255

>>31871484
>Normal type is a complete lack of specialization, you can't specialize on normal.

Note I didn't actually say 'specialize in Normal', I said 'in some sort of normal attribute', by which I mean that even if a Pokemon lacks an elemental attribute, it still has a unique attribute that happens to fall under the 'Normal' category. Sound just happens to be one of such unique attributes that falls under the Normal type.

>>31871534
>Well he fucking raped your stupid ass argument for fighting types.
Tell me again why Honchkrow should be a fighting type.

Noivern is now Wyvern/Sound
Resists dragon, se against fairy dragon and steel

>>31871543
>Sound is special enough to receive it's own type
That's an opinion, not a fact.

>there are plenty of Pokémon who are based solely around the concept and would perform these move better than others
Most of them do just fine with their current typing.

Now, again, where was your argument?

>>31871546
>by which I mean that even if a Pokemon lacks an elemental attribute, it still has a unique attribute that happens to fall under the 'Normal' category

How in the seven hells I'm I supposed to get that from what you wrote? learn to express yourself.
Also, it's still stupid
What "unique attribute" makes Snorlax, Lilpup, Chansey or Miltank normal? Because I know most of what you're going to point out, and it is shared by pokemon that have other types.

Gamefrak only snaps "normal" on to pokemon that lack special futures, are more closely based on actual animals (mostly domestic) and/or pokemon who haven't actually reached an specialization yet, but may do upon evolution. It is asociated with neutrality, not with sound or "unique attributes" as you fucking claim.

>>31871555
Tell me again why being a dancer makes meloetta a fighting type.
Tell me again how a construction worker qualifies as fighting, but Slaking, a big-ass gorilla, doesn't.
Explain to me why Ledian isn't a fighting type, if it qualifies in every aspect?

Point is, you think Gamefreak and the rest of us play by your stupid head-cannons, when GF clearly takes a flexible approach to typing. There is no point in arguing this if you can't see that there ist no taxonomical or systematics approach to typing.

>>31871607
>What "unique attribute" makes Snorlax, Lilpup, Chansey or Miltank normal? Because I know most of what you're going to point out, and it is shared by pokemon that have other types.

What difference does it make if Pokemon of different types share similar attributes? There's a reason there are Normal dual types- they may have an elemental type but also manage to maintain their Normal type status.

>>31871639
>Tell me again why being a dancer makes meloetta a fighting type.
Not just a dancer; a ballerina, which is a discipline of dance known for requiring tons of physical skill and discipline.

>Tell me again how a construction worker qualifies as fighting, but Slaking, a big-ass gorilla, doesn't.
Slaking is literally the laziness Pokemon, obviously its not going to be a Fighting type.
>Explain to me why Ledian isn't a fighting type, if it qualifies in every aspect?
Because it more obviously qualifies as a Bug and Flying type.

False equivalence is your only available option here, and boy does it show.

>>31871585
>That's an opinion, not a fact
Um, no it's a fact
Let's see, you had the cleffa line, jigglypuff line, mime line, snubbul line, ralts line, and marril line retconned at the debut of XY
Now all of these >>31866073 , Politoed, Pyroar, Gigalith, Misdreavus, and more could easy get that typing at the debut.

>Most of them do just fine with their current typing.
You literally read and quoted it and then argued around it with only your opinion.
Better.
You see that word?
Better means that they would perform at a higher quality than the status quo, not "just fine".
Better means the other half of the paragraph that goes into detail on how it would help the still-then Normal types.

Re-read:
>>31871543

>>31871683
>Um, no it's a fact

Wow here we go, it's another "my opinion is a fact" argument. Come back when you finish grade school.

>>31871701
No it is fact.
I'm using numbers, not feeling.
I can draw out the logic flowchart if you want.

>>31871683
Talk to you next gen, when sound type doesn't come out, and we'll see how it's a fact.

>>31871719
>I'm using numbers

lol

>>31871719
>Sound is special enough to receive it's own type

Is an opinion, regardless of what sort of 'calculations' you think support your opinion.

>>31871741
Shut up anon. he's running the math here. He has the numbers worked out so he can know the will of the whole GF team. Your puny ass can't comprehend.

>>31871723
>Hah, but Gamefreak won't do it though
GOAL POST HAS BEEN MOVED
That's the whole point of the thread, now isn't it
>>31871730
>>31871741
Yes
Count how many families of Pokémon are based entirely on sound or vibrations
Now count how many actually got the Fairy type.
There are more families and moves that could constitute a regrouping.
This would stand whether not I hated the idea of a Sound type or not, making it entirely "objective".

>>31871753
I certainly can't comprehend how much autism it takes to mathematically prove an opinion is a fact.

>>31866073

Making Sound its own type would pretty much eliminate Normal's entire Special movepool

Plus there are Sound-based moves that aren't Normal-type, like Grass Whistle and Clanging Scales

Sound is treated as a category, like punching moves and biting moves

What it needs is an ability that boosts their power

So, besides sound type, what other ideas do ya'll have. I mean while I'd prefer them to just change the type chart with no new ones, that's besides the point.

>>31871753
This whole thread is about how gf won't do it even though the rationale is all there
You're post provided nothing but acknowledgement of that fact

>>31871773
Again, special is not "Oh, wow cooool."
It's the significace of the amount of already standing examples.

>>31871766
>Count how many families of Pokémon are based entirely on sound or vibrations
By who's standard? Not every Pokemon who uses sound or vibration should be Sound type, just like not every Pokemon that's pink or cute became Fairy type.

>>31871786
>It's the significace of the amount of already standing examples.

Which there are none, since they're all based solely on your own opinion. The only fact presented here is the fact that your opinion is not a fact.

>>31871783
See >>31871510

Waifufags, furfags, every other fag under the sun cannot compare to how much of a fucking retard the arm chair developer is. You are the worst people on /vp/ but somehow manage to never get called out for how stupid you people are.

>>31871848
It goes the same way every time, too.

>Hey /vp/ I have this idea for a new Pokemon type!
>Okay, well, its not really a new idea and it doesn't necessarily improve the gameplay...
>ad nauseum logical fallacies and/or autistic screeching because people don't 100% agree with their idea

>>31870556
>There are just too few Pokemon who specialize in 'sound' to warrant a new type

Sure there were tons of evil guys in gen 1 since they decided to make them all dark.

I know Dark was added for balance reasons, the point is that a small amount of already existing potential users doesn't make it impossible to make more. Fairy got how much, 9 evo lines retconned out of 650 preexisting mons.

>>31871683
>Sound is special enough to receive it's own type
>Um, no it's a fact

I guess you were special enough to receive an additional chromosome.

>>31872689
You could say the same for every other imaginary type though, its not really an argument in support of the Sound type specifically.

>>31872987
Never said it was. I was just pointing at a fault in the logic.