>Pheromosa moved to S tier What went so right?

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>>31841713
that it's gonna get kicked to ubers

>>31841713
>tangrowth in OU
WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING

WHY

WHY IS THAT?

t.someone who never played competitive SM

>>31841725
It was OU in gen 6 too anon

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>>31841713
>Nidoking in OU
NANI

>>31841713
So proud of Tangbro.
Sinnoh ALWAYS wins.

>>31841725
With all these top tier waifumons, someone has to play the tentacle rapist

>>31841713
>pheromosa isn't broken we've adapted to it stop being such scrubs it's not that good people just overhyped it!

>>31841713
>Xzard dropping
N-NANI?!

>>31841725
It was already OU last gen. Assault Vest + Regenerator is good.

>>31841742
>it's viable in OU so that means it is OU
Every fucking time.

>>31841743
>mfw Porygon-Z finally hits OU

>>31841713
>Tangrowth is better than charizard
>minior is as good as garchomp

never thought i'd live to see this day

>>31841766
>TanGOD A rank
>Poorizard A- despite much higher BST, and much better typing
Megas were a mistake.
Cross evolutions were the last good thing GameFreak did.

Rip Feraligatr

>>31841777
thats exactly what it means. holy shit are you retarded?
wasted trips

>>31841713
>Deoxys lite
Gee I wonder what

>>31841789
>>31841789
Feraligatr is a discount Sharpedo, which itself is a discount Gyarados

But Sheer Force is now finally legal with Lure Balls so it's been a mixed bag for gatr this gen

>>31841766
fini and the current frequency of 101+ scarfers check it hard

>>31841792
No, it's not. Not him either, you're just retarded

>>31841742
insane coverage, forces the opponent to play russian roulette every time he switches
shits on magearna and koko

>>31841787
That's mega-Garchomp anon

>what went right
qd phero gives me night terrors

>>31841792
No it isn't.
Sharpedo and Gyarados are both on that list, but neither of them are OU. They are UU, but can be used to some success in OU.

I know this is shitty bait at best but I didn't want to risk someone reading your dumbass post and thinking that's how it worked.

>>31841748
Almost makes me want to draw Tangrowth doing that with Pheromosa

>>31841832
THAT IS EXACTLY HOW IT WORKS. If they are viable in OU they can be OU, get your shitty head canon on tier systems out of here.

"This pokemon is really good but its not OU because I say so!"

>>31841832
talks about b8, posts b8

wew lad

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>>31841845

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>>31841845
tiers are defined primarily by usage, anon

>>31841713

>Mimikyu moved up

How, the thing is fucking shit, it's the Electivire of Gen 7

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>>31841845
This HAS to be bait... right?

>>31841858
Memeior is the Electivire of Gen 7 anon.

>>31841838
Almost makes me want to see the drawing when it's finished

>>31841725
Tangrowth, Venusaur and Ferrothorn are the best grass type pokemon

>>31841838
but, isn't Pheromosa one of the mons that can fuck over Tangrowth?

>>31841872
Except Minior isn't OU.

>>31841773
>Assault vest
>Attempting to patch up that abyssmal Sp. Def
>Not running sleep powder, the entire reason you run it over other physical walls

sub 1100 confirmed

>>31841857
>primarily
you said it yourself

>>31841861
uses the good ol' b8 and switch meme rather than accepting defeat or rebutting with facts. top kek. god damn i hate the weekends, cant wait for the children to go back to class.

>>31841858
It and nidoking moved up to B- because they are both better than the other C+ mons.

>>31841897
Both sets are good retard.

>>31841902
Find feraligatr on this page. I'm waiting.
http://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/formats/ou/

>>31841875
idk how to draw bug bagina
>>31841886
Yeah I dunno how much sense it would make but Phero is cute af. Maybe I'll just crop out the bottom. I don't know if Pheromosa doing it to tangrowth makes much sense though. She beats it up and forces it to stick tentacle in vagoo?

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>>31841902
This is straight from the horses mouth. http://www.smogon.com/xyhub/tiers

"UnderUsed, or UU, is the tier that contains all of the Pokémon that are just short of OU in terms of the required usage amount, which equates to a 50% chance of encountering the Pokémon in OU in 20 battles. These Pokémon can still be used in OU, and a lot of them are actually quite powerful as well, but they simply aren't used enough for them to change their tier placement."

UU mons can be used to great effect in OU, they just aren't used enough in OU to be classified as OU. Which is the position Nidoking is in now.

>>31841832
Gyarados got bumped up to BL iirc but M-Sharpedo is still UU

>>31841897
>January 2017 stats for PokeBank OU (ELO+ 1695) indicate that ~73% of Tangrowth ran AssVest sets
>Same exact sets for PokeBank OU Suspect test show that, again, ~73% of Tangrowth ran AssVests
>In Regular OU, 33% of Tagrowths at this level of play had AssVests

Literally never having seen, used, or heard of Tangrowth confirmed you fucking moron

Sources:
http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-01/moveset/gen7pokebankou-1695.txt

http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-01/moveset/gen7pokebankoususpecttest-1695.txt

http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-01/moveset/ou-1695.txt

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>Tangrowth growing in viability

Fuck no, my secret weapon will become widely used. Feels fucking bad man

>>31841989

Your secret weapon has been known about long before SM.

>>31841960
I was imagining a more comedic angle, you know. Like a comic where Tangrowth is getting ready to Tentacle rape Pheromosa and Pheromosa responding with [scared buzzing] which inadvertently kills Tangrowth.

>>31841995
But it wasn't until early ORAS that people realized how solid the thing was.

>>31841995
But it was at the bottom of usage in the tier and has been for eons. Now it's gonna get popular and people will pack counters

>>31841989
What's up with all those tards acting like Tangrowth being good is something that people only recently figured out?

>>31842016
it got popular because people realized talonflame couldn't shit on it and it could check a bunch of shit in kind

>>31842019
I mean, judging by its usage, people really did only recently figure out it was good. It's always been at the bottom of the tier with shit like Zapdos.

>>31841897
With AV, Tangrowth can reach 327 Sp.Def, which is super good considering how much HP the thing already has.

>>31842000
CUTE
Although Pheromosa just seems like she'd get disgusted and leave.

>>31842036
>252 Atk Choice Band Gale Wings Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tangrowth: 354-416 (87.6 - 102.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

wut?

>Haven't played showdown since SM came out
>Have no idea how any of the new mons work or even what tiers everything is in
ORAS UU is where i'll stay for now I guess. Just a shame I'm to dumb to hang out in the cool kids club

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>>31842056
>CB Talonflame

>>31842058
Try SM UU. It's confy as hell and not the shietfest OU currently is.

>>31842058
every single thing SM added to the meta is cancer, don't worry
team variety has never been this bad now that you have need counters for:
-le genie
-tapus
-megagross
-copypasted stall teams
-all UBs except for guzzlord because he's dogshit and jellyfish because it's really not that great and x4 weak to earthquake
-zygardoggo

it's fucking awful

>>31842114
Yeah i agree, UU is fucking great and I want to try out RU as well at some point.

>>31842121
Buzzwole is kind of ass too desu

>>31842121
Buzzwole and Xurkitree are shit.
Only Phero and Celesteela are good. Kartana is ok.
And lando is the only relevant genie now.

>>31842056
>choice band talonflame

Who's being suspected at the moment? Dugtrio or something?

>>31842252
Nothing.

>>31842272
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-suspect-process-round-2-dirt-suspect-tour-details-in-post-3.3595351/
Don't bullshit me, anon.

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>Zard-X is finding a lot of issues to sweep in the current metagame because of the omnipresent Tapu Fini keeping it in check throughout the match, 101+ Scarfers on every team, Defensive Lando-T, and stuff like Pheromosa/Ash Greninja pressuring it from setting up. Saying it's a whole rank better than Volcarona is mostly incorrect.
>Ash-Greninja

P O T T E R Y
O
T
T
E
R
Y

BURASTU YOURSELF ZARDFAGS.

>>31842306
grenigger can't touch fini either so idk what's your point

>>31842306
Well Xzard has no business being A Rank if Volcarona isn't.

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>>31842377
>move tutors next game

>4 Atk Life Orb Greninja Gunk Shot vs. 248 HP / 192 Def Tapu Fini: 161-192 (46.9 - 55.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery

IKEEEEE

>>31841713
>Tyranitar and Chansey are the only Ghost-resists in OU with any sort of defensive presence
>Gengar is about to rise up to A-rank because of this
My god, Marshadow is going to eat OU alive when it gets released.

>>31841713
Link to the post?

>>31842440
>losing scald, shuriken or ice beam
kindly duragon craw yourself

>>31842470

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-ou-viability-ranking-thread.3590726/page-21#post-7240589:

>>31841713
>Nidoking rises
Fuck yeah

>>31842478
>Hydro
>Dark pulse
>Water Shuriken
>Gunk Shot

You only lose U-Turn because honestly you don't even need Ice beam 95% of the time and U-Turn is far, far better option on specs at least.
If you switch to Life orb Because gunk shot, you only need Gunk Shot for Fini. Dark Pulse Life orb hitting hard enough most of the tier, post transforming? kek. Gunk-shot is now almost Protean tier.

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>>31842478
>Scald
AHAHAHAHAHA

The standard set is U-Turn, Hydro, Shuriken and Dark Pulse. It's just gonna lose U-Turn for Gunk Shot.

>>31842478
>scald
everyday I am reminded that /vp/ is shit at competitive

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>>31841787
>>31841725
>>31841713

Tangrowth is among my favorite Pokémon, and I don't even do competitive stuff.

It's nice to see my bro getting some love and recognition.

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>>31842478
>Scald

Jesus christ Zardfags are seriously hopeless.

>>31842440
>implying it won't get booted to ubers again

>>31841725
There's a concept called a fire water grass core, three pokemon together that resist basically the entire game. We now have 2/3 of that in Toxapex and Tangrowth with regenerator, with fire being covered handily by everyones good friend heatran. This is also why toxapex rose.

>>31842636
protean is gonna go to ubers, battle bond is gonna stay

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>>31842657
Gunk Shot Ash-Greninja may break it desu.
it doesn't look like much, but for fuck sake it's hitting hard as Protean after transforming, and it achieving the 2hko on fini.

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>>31842478
>Scald
>Greninja of any kind

Way to out yourself as a retard.

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>>31841713
>mimikyu went up
How? I love it but mimikyu really seems iffy in OU. I see it being more of a top UU threat but it seems to struggle in OU.

>>31842688
Does the higher Sp. Atk make up for loss of STAB or nah?

At the very least, Protean greninja is better against Ferrothorn by virtue of being able to run HP Fire

>>31841809
>shits on magearna
Shift Gear + Z-Flash Cannon sets doesn't screw over Nidoking?

>>31842733

>Mimikyu is way better than most of the Pokemon in C+ that fits well on offensive builds as a way to check Pheromosa and other dangerous Pokemon found on offense thanks to its Disguise ability, giving it many opportunities to set up and potentially sweep or net at least 1 kill. Nidoking checks Tapu Koko as well as destroying balance, and it is much better than the Pokemon in C+ as well.

It's not that Mimikyu is good, it's just better than the Pokemon in C+.

>>31842871

Yes, but that's not the most common Magearna set, AssVest is.

>>31841897
>Miss Powder

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>>31841713
Nice to see Toxapex getting some love

>>31842984
>love
I think everyone hates it though

>>31841725
Hardly anyone is using the Fast and the Falcon-ous any more, so Grass types get a chance to shine a bit.

What I want to know is what kind of sets are Nidoking running to get in OU's B-?
>Noticed Feraligatr while typing
DAMN, what's going on?

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>>31842994
fuck

>>31842463
Marshadow would eat OU either way. Having the Ghost/Fighting type with Meloetta-P stats is amazing.

>>31843021
Nig it's going to eat fucking ubers.
>literally the hardest counter to ekiller there is

>>31841713
Honestly shocked MegaMence dropped

>>31843034
That's normie mence.
MegaMence would be SSSSSS+ tier

>>31843005
>What I want to know is what kind of sets are Nidoking running to get in OU's B-?
Probably LO with Sludge Wave/Ice Beam/Earth Power/ Fire Blast. T-bolt, Stealth Rock, and Sucker punch are also viable options

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>>31843066
>my Sucker Punch Nidoking is actually useful in the current meta
>I can finally use my childhood favorite in a non-gimmick tourney

>>31841719
The head Canon here is very strong.

>>31841713
ZardX droped,
Kinda like my mixtape

>>31843117

Considering how Pheromosa shits all over hyper-offensive teams, it more than likely will get banned eventually.

>>31843100
Nidoking is so good
Even better in Monotype. There's no reason not to run it on Poison

>>31843124
ZardX is Fire.
So nothing like your mixtape.

People are recommending I run haze on toxapex? For what purpose?

>>31843230
So stuff doesn't set up on its face.

>>31843230
Because it shits on set up sweepers.

>>31843230
to shit on setup sweepers

>>31843230
So that it can actually do something instead of wasting time.

>>31843126
And by the time that happens, M-loponny will arrive and I know how much dark types like high jump kicks. And 90 defenses plus intimidate isn't anouth o save you. Trust me I did that calculation.

>>31843230
It's to prevent your opponent from using toxapex to set up.

>>31843230
Makes it so you cannot set up against it, since it isn't a strong offensive wall it needs it to keep threats from just dancing in its face. I think you can run without it in battlespot but I would keep in just in case.

So, with Nidoking and Mimikyu out the best thing in C+ are now Azumarril and Primarina, I wonder if there is any hope for those or in least azumarril go up to B-?

>>31842149
Buzzwole if not that bad, it works well as a physical sponge and it is close to kartana in term of how well he is in general, also you forgot to mention nihilego which is also just okay.

>>31841845
Yeah man, that Qwilfish is fucking unstoppable!

>>31843347
Nihilego is god tier scarfer.

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Is ol' zappy tree still in OU?

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>>31843667
Barely. The moment Baton Pass bites the dust he will be banished to BL.

>+----------------------------------------+
>| Teammates |
>| Scolipede +37.321% |
>| Manaphy +33.901% |
>| Excadrill +27.779% |
>| Magearna +17.567% |
>| Metagross-Mega +15.086% |
>+----------------------------------------+

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>>31841713
Nihilego nooo ;_;

is minior OU or RU

>>31843903
God I hope this happens eventually. ScoliPass is pure cancer.

Wheres talonflame?

>>31847236
Dead. Gale WIngs nerf killed it. Even if it didn't get nerfed, Lele laughs at it for 10,000 years

>>31847236
Gone but not forgotten.

>>31847517
technically talonflame can outspeed lele if it's under max health because gale wings would no longer be giving it priority

>>31843903
I currently only play Ubers and LC because I'm waiting for this shit and duggy to get b&.

>>31847236
In Doubles.

>>31847236
Literally who?

>>31843032
Switching in on Marshadow is going to be a nightmare. Unresisted dual stab with 125/125 offenses is absolutely ridiculous, even in Ubers.

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>>31842463
>tfw 6-generation long OU streak was broken for literally no reason

>>31847738
Pile that on with passable bulk, technician shadow sneak to put an end to fast but frail threats that want to check it and coverage to hit all the things that might threaten it otherwise.
>HP ice is a psuedo ice beam for megamence and mechagarde this hits harder than ice punch on these two even with no investment
>Rock Tomb dispatches ho-oh
>A band set can 2hko primal groudon with close combat
>A LO set can do that with rocks up
252 Atk Life Orb Marshadow Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Groudon-Primal: 165-195 (40.9 - 48.3%) -- 71.1% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
It'll go at least as high in viability as deo-a and mega lucario, so that's A rank already.

>>31847836
Sure, if you call Gengar's ability getting changed literally no reason.

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>>31847836
It was broken because GF wanted to nef Mega Gengar. Because, you know, it's CLEARLY the most broken of them all.

>>31849438
yes he is, anon

shadow tag on such a strong mon is straight up broken

People realized it can run specs, quiver dance, etc so now it's less predictable.

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>tfw your bro has been in OU since his introduction

Will Chomp ever be dethroned?

>>31849795
chomp is like the straight up most consistent mon ever made, at least in official formats.

>>31841725

Every thread some retard asks this as if Tangrowth is some PU shitmon.

I'm convinced it's just one faggot: (You), that hates Tangrowth. Fuck off.

>>31849795
When it gets Gengared it will.

>>31849795
Inconspicuous Icicles

>>31849207
I think he meant GF getting rid of levitate for no reason

>>31850026
Given that Gengar doesn't float and never has, I think the better question is why did it keep Levitate for so long?

>>31850055

makes as much sense as Vibrava/Flygon having Levitate

>>31850055
>GF takes away Levitate in the same gen they require you to photograph a levitating Gengar.

>>31849795
Tyranitar is more impressive for hanging on for six generations.

>>31850078
What I mean there is literally every other mon that has that ability shown as floating in its sprite/model. Gengar is the ONLY one that doesn't do this, and had the ability anyway.

>>31850090
That's less levitation and more true flight. Inb4 "Why isn't it Flying type, then?".

>>31849207
>>31850026
I was referring to the fact that Gengar is literally a higher rank in OU this gen than he was last gen, even with the loss of Levitate. He dropped to UU for absolutely no reason because he's going be OU by usage soon anyway.

>>31850112
It was walking on air though.

>>31849795
It was banned two times

>>31850055
gengar could always fly/levitate but i get your point, every fish pokemon also flies around for no reason while gengar stand fatly on the ground, and always have. it makes sense to me to not have levitate and it kind of needed the nerf, as it could switch into ground attacks freely and mega evolve on their ass.

>>31850113
OK, now I see your point. That does seem weird that it would drop at all, but I think that's more "Everybody and their mother wants to ram the Tapus/UBs up everyone's ass" and there's enough of that that it displaced Gengar.

>>31850143
OK, you got me. I have no idea how to explain that.

>>31850161
I think they needed to do this to make sending out the vast majority of fish Pokemon even remotely practical from an in-game world perspective. Alternatively, stop making fish Pokemon GF, geez.

>>31841725
For your information, It's not competitive anon

>>31849795
Only way it could get better is if it gets DD and Shore Up