Unpopular opinion Thread

>Mimikyu is nothing special.
>Gen 5 is the second best gen
>I don't get the Gen 4 dick sucking
>If you want to play a Pokemon game play a real one instead of Pokemon GO
>There's no reason Arceus shouldn't have a mega
>UBs are fine and I hope they introduce new ones
>All cries from Gen 6 onwards are fine
>Incineroar should have stayed on four legs
>The entire Popplio line is great
>I wouldn't mind if there was no Switch version of Pokemon

>>31817197
>If you want to play a Pokemon game play a real one instead of Pokemon GO
That's an unpopular opinion?

>>31817108

XY's main game is garbage regardless. The shallow post game is just the cherry on top of a crappy cake.

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>>31817108
Pokemon needs to be more focused on exploration and giving the player an actual sense of adventure.

Very few main series games allowed you to do shit out of order, and even then the ones that did barely allowed you to do it at all. They need to build on this and drop the railroading. It would be great to tackle a region and have at least some freedom in how you complete things and find hidden areas and secrets. I'm not asking for an "open world" game but I am asking for a region that would allow the player to at least explore however they want.
The plot and shit can still be there, problem is GF doesn't know how to tell a story without forcing the player down a single path.

>>31817241
I guess not really, but I'm sure someone will be here to say "Hurr you're just mad. Pokemon GO brought Pokemon back into the mainstream!" It was always fucking mainestream, and even without GO gen 7 trailers were getting millions of views.

It rubs me the wrong way when people THINK they know shit about pokemon just because they played GO.

>>31817108
/vp/ should have a 15 thread limit

>>31817269
No yeah I know that for a fact. I think here gen 6 is universally hated outside of that one bait thread. If the game had been paced how it was from the 1-3 gym I feel like it would have improved it a bit. Of course it still had the laundry list of issues.
>>31817279
The closest you can get to that is battling the gyms out of order in gen 1/2. I do agree with your point.

FRLG with the physical/special split would also contend for the best game in the series
HGSS, and presumably GSC, are totally ruined by their garbage level curve
Even if ORAS had all of the emerald content I think it'd still be a mediocre game
All you need to do to fix DPPt is speed up certain things like the healthbars, everything else is fine
Gen 5 is my favorite, but I haven't even played BW2
Sun and Moon are just okay. the popular opinion on these are either "fucking masterpiece" or "fucking garbage" so I consider ambivalence to be an unpopular opinion

None of the pokemon games deviate enough from the norm for one to really be called amazing, while at the same time qualifying others as trash. There are certainly better and worse ones, but they're mostly the same.

>>31817279
I agree, but I think the best way to accomplish that is removing the Gyms system. However I have no idea on how effectively replace it, especially since Trials and Totems weren't a real improvement

>>31817388
I don't get people who hate GSC for the level curve but love BW when the latter's exp. overhaul led to the same problem of requiring grind. And in neither case was it enough to ruin those games which are still dripping with more atmosphere than anything in the 3DS era.

>>31817108
>More like unpopular FACT thread.

>>31817108
GSC, RSE were the best.
BW was alright, not bad but not too good.
XY and SM could be really great, just a few tweaks here and it would be set.
DPP was terrible.
XD Gale of darkness was shit compared to Coliseum.

>>31817279
FFIV, FFV and FFVI are praised as classical RPG and even those just give a fake sense of exploration.

The story goes first and you're allowed to explore just as much the current area is involved. When you get the airships to tackle on the whole world, there is still parts that you can't reach, and some areas just push your shit way too hard because you're underleveled and lack the money to buy a single weapon in "faraway as fuck town in the middle of nowhere".

Sure, you can peek and roam almost all what you want, but you're still following a certain router according to both your level and the story.

>>31817108
I don't understand why people will say Gen 5/Gen 6/Gen 7 were shit for various reason and gloss over Gen 4. Is it because it's a lot of people first game?

DP were fucking terrible with shitty gameplay, hideous new pokemon, boring region, and bland characters. Platinum just made the gen playable.

Another unpopular opinion is that I don't consider remakes when talking about a gen.

>>31817471

I bet you think Gen. 6 was good.

4th gen shouldn't be remade and in fact remakes should stop altogether, the idea that a franchise should remake every single one of its games is just stupid

i'm ok with frlg and hgss but i'm iffy on whether oras needed to exist

>>31817451
BW's system is designed for you to not be under or overleveled

>Emerald is shit

bw > bw2

/vp/ is not as bad as people claim it to be

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>Tumblr is home to the modern day Picassos

I prefer to play with move animations on

I think turn-based battles are boring as fuck and I would love if Pokemon got rid of it in favor of a more dynamic, real-time battle system.

I don't think any Pokemon game deserves the 9/10 reviews they constantly get. The best main series Pokemon games are 8/0 at most. Most are somewhere around 6-7/10. The only exception is maybe gen 1 because it was innovative. All the other games are just unimaginative rehashes.
But muh fanboys will cry if the games get a bad review and reviewers can't risk to alienate them. It's stupid af.

I like all generations except 6

>ORAS was better than Emerald. People need to stop shitting their pants over the Battle Frontier.
>There aren't any absolutely terrible main series Pokemon games. The closest I can think of to sucking are DP, and that's only because of the speed.
>Cynthia is an overhyped piece of shit that needs to stop making cameos in every single nonagon 6 game.
>SM was good but I hate how it obviously panders to 11 year olds.

>>31817737
This looks like something Egoraptor would retweet.

>>31817108
HGSS>Platinum>BW2

>>31817108

It's not flawless but SM is a good main series game and is alot of fun. I certainly don't agree with the sentiment that SM is the death of Pokemon and is utter shit.

>>31817842
what exactly did Platinum do that was great?

I ask this because it seems that all of the highly rated Pokemon games (BW2, HGSS, SM) all had at least one thing that was really exceptional about them, but I really can't see what about Platinum was exceptional or better than another game.

>>31817451
I replayed BW and BW2 this week. The advantage of gen 5 is that the trainers, at least in BW2 are actually high leveled (can easily reach level 70-80). Also with a lucky egg you easily get 4/5000 xp drops at level 80+. Meanwhile gen 7 grinding is more painful because all caps at 60

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>>31817108

Bronzong is one of the cutest pokemon out there.

>>31817817
>it obviously panders to 11 year olds
by having a part of the plot be about parental abuse?
by having a character such as Olivia in it?
by making most of the pokedex entries edgier than those of the previous games?
by LITERALLY basing a pokemon on a fucking fetish?

BW1 was a better experience than BW2 despite the latter's extra content. It worked better when it was more story driven and Unova Pokemon focused. BW2's bigger dex was absolutely the right move for a sequel, but I felt it took away from what made BW1 special.

None of the main games are actually bad, some are better than others. DP are the worst of their time though. The SM hate is so overblown on this board, holy shit.

FRLG are really lazy remakes that, other than updating it into Gen 3, didn't really improve anything. HGSS has the same issue but feels like it had more effort put into it, albeit in the silly gimmick stuff like the Pokewalker and Pokeathlon rather than actually fixing the problems of the original games.

>>31818244
>FRLG are really lazy remakes that, other than updating it into Gen 3, didn't really improve anything.
What else did they need to do? Almost all of gen 1's problems were with the buggy engine

>>31818287

Make the characters actual characters, give Team Rocket their own battle themes, give Giovanni Rhydon back in his gym, make Kanto look less bland, make it so you can actually do things like evolve Golbat before the National Dex rather than "muh 151".

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I want the series to start progressing, not just in tech but presentation.

They shouldn't just have an epiphany to challenge the formula just because Breath of the Wild did, they should seriously start considering the concept of what they tried to make Pokemon back during day 1 and go from there. The part about battling the professor was a good show.

>>31818311
>Make the characters actual characters
Not sure how they'd do this in a remake
>give Team Rocket their own battle themes
>give Giovanni Rhydon back in his gym
>make Kanto look less bland
>make it so you can actually do things like evolve Golbat before the National Dex rather than "muh 151".
Agreed on all of these

>>31817108
I dont like eevee or any of the eeveelutions.

>>31818407
I can respect this
but out of curiosity, was your opinion any different back in gen 1 where there were only 3 of them?

>>31817108
More Megas and HMs back.
Gen 6 was the decline, Gen 7 was worse and Gen 8 is going to absolute shit.

>>31818426
I never liked them.

>non-binary tumblr option for the protag would be great for the porn
>ground best type
>drasna best pokegirl
>fire worst type

>>31818441
Ah okay

Voltorb Flip was a massive improvement over the Game Corner, the only thing it lacked was the ability to purchase coins for money.

HGSS Safari Zone would be the best Safari yet if GF didn't put 90% of cool Pokemon behind long and arbitrary time walls.

Dream World was god awful. I still have nightmares over the terrible ice cream miingame.

Spin offs are better than the main series nowadays.

Chibi art and grid movement from Gen VI is better than the "freedom" of Gen VII.

if there's ever going to be a Red and Blue remake
>Retcon Missingno into an ultra beast

>>31818451
>drasna best pokegilf
ftfy

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Postgame (or endgame if you will) content makes or breaks Pokémon. It is the meat and potatoes, the only thing that really matters.

Catching, hunting for hidden abilities, breeding, EV training and then using those Pokémon in battle facilities (of which there should be many different ones). Collecting ribbons for them is also great. It is the meat of the game because doing these things should accumulate several hundred hours of playtime, as opposed to doing the story which usually takes a measly 10-15 hours depending on the game.

The story is worthless. The characters and their dialogue is never interesting. It means nothing in the end. Exploring the maps is fun, but you can only do that once. There's a reason I have more time clocked in PBR than White.

>>31817108
I have no idea why any pokemon game gets such a big dick sucking on here. I recently replayed through them all (nuzlocked) and the whole of each game just felt kind of meh to me and not this amazing thing.

>>31817643
Story:
BW > BW2
Everything else:
BW < BW2

Battle facilities aren't any fun. They basically require you to throw away the team you played the entire game with, and the emphasis on streaks means if something goes wrong, you get to spend hours going through it again because there's no checkpoings like Colo's Mt Battle had

>>31817388
Funny enough, I agree with most of that, you could probably tack RSE into the FRLG bit as well. They just handled maingame balance well.

You also can't forget that they have trash pokemon distribution, especially when introducing new types, and physical special split and new moves actually fucked up early game balance a lot.

ORAS seems to suck because it was using gen 6 leveling mechanics, which messed things up heavily, on top of other changes to mess it up.

DP still need better mon distributions, and there's probably some light level curve issues, but yeah, core issue for Pt was just the whole 'slow engine'

Agree with Gen5.1 being way up there, just because it handled balance really well.

I think SuMo contends for top of list as well, but its definitely not a masterpiece for sure. I think none of the games are truly masterpieces, but that's only because there is more they can do.

>>31817451
The EXP system makes you being underleveled need less grind via extra EXP, and you being overleveled give less EXP. 1-2 level differences in standard trainer battles don't mean as much, and the heavy boost for lower leveled wild mons means you can switch out your team members more easily without taking a hit. There's also proportionally larger gaps between wild and trainer mons in GSC (claire's whole gym is 12ish levels higher than the highest level wild mons you can fight immediately preceeding it)

>>31818860
>Not liking White Tree Hollow

>>31817549
Remakes should stop once we get a properly balanced game with all the relevant updates. Effectively, if revisiting a region can provide something of value, then its worth making (So basically make everything over again so its all bank accessible with modernized mechanics and on par with itself, if not improved.

>>31817798
A 6/10 in current review space is probably closer to a 4/10 in your system. Sevens nowadays are 'heavily mediocre', actually somehow worse than a c-.

The game is more fun the fewer Pokemon you use on your playthrough.
UBs are neat and I hope there are more in future games.

>>31817279
>>31818666
I agree with these.

>>31817197
Even people who quite like Incineroar's design overall, like me, feel it should be on four legs. Not unpopular.

Unpopular opinion: Even with the above bit I think Incineroar and its line is awesome and my new favorite pokemon of all time. A fire tiger starter line is pretty great.

>>31817108
I liked all of the main series games, yes even gen 6, and I don't consider the flaws listed here to be that big of a deal
Also B2W2 is heavily overrated and so is HGSS

>>31819042
GF do remakes because people ask for features of older games.

The point is, they don't get or just ignore that the people want the feature be kept in older games; instead they remade the games so the people can get that again.

There's even proof when they say that they kept key features as generation/game exclusives so people will want to play the whole game again.

It's a retarded logic that somehow works from a business standpoint, since they'll keep selling as long as they create the "need" keeping features isolated.

> XY are better than SM

>Ash-Greninja is good design

burastu yourself zardfags

>>31817197
almost fully agree. except mimikyu is great, at least in competitive. and gen 4 deserves the dick sucking.

Gen 5 was pretty good but the story was just average. Everyone acts like its some epic plot that's completely unique from the other games, but N is the only good part of it.

GO is a fine game thats only hated because of how different it is from the main games.

Waifufags/lolifags are the worst people on this board.

>>31819977
Not only is this an unpopular opinion, it's a WRONG opinion.

>I really liked X/Y despite garbage story (that was mostly ignorable) and think it was a fun game, great region and great new pokemon

I played Diamond and don't remember the speed being a problem.

>>31820360
How long ago?
I also didn't remember speed being a problem until I played platinum a few months ago

>>31817279
For a long time now I've been wanting a Pokemon game where you can do the gyms in any order. Just have every trainer's and gym leaders teams level up by seven or so levels after each badge you get, that way balance isn't a huge issue.

I prefer my Pokemon games to be light in story anyway so I don't really care how this affects the plot. Even then each town could have a self contained subplot with the team of that game, like how gen 1 handled team rocket most of the time. Then just finish that plotline on victory road or something.

Honestly I see no reason this can't or shouldn't be done.

>>31817782
I feel most people play with it on

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I don't think furries and being a furfag should be given the acceptance they are.

Starters are some of the most bland pokemon in basically every region.

Most pokemon get worst design wise upon evolving.

Tsareena is actually the worst design of any pokemon in the series.

Alola has the best pokemon yet. Other then a very small amount most range from good to outstanding in their designs.

Gen 1 generally did have better designs then we saw later on.

"It just gets bigger" is perfectly fine in some cases. Sliggoo comes to mind the most.

Competitive can be fun but taking it seriously is retarded. pokemon is too RNG based to ever be truly skill based.

The eeveelutions are the most overrated pokemon in the series by a landslide.

Greninja being shilled is fine, unlike lucario it's actually a great design.

>>31822135
>"It just gets bigger" is perfectly fine in some cases. Sliggoo comes to mind the most.
Too bad Sliggoo's evo didn't do that.

>Hoenn games are the worst in the series solely because the Regional Dex is pure ass.
>Kalos was fantastic the first run through, it only gets bad after replaying it and especially after looking at it after Sun and Moon.
>When it comes to FRLG and HGSS, the only real version exclusive I really care about is Arcanine, everything else is negligible to me.
>I actually really like Lucario and Blaziken despite their hate here and shilling everywhere else.
>Feraligatr is the only good Johto starter and Torterra is far and away the best Sinnoh starter, even if the rest are alright.
>FRLG are actually great games and don't deserve the hate they get, they're probably the better games to come out of 3rd gen but I'm not too sure about that still.
>Despite lacking some content, if every game followed the same path of quality of SM, I would be fine with it.

That's all that's coming to mind, anyways.

Sylveon is easily the most unbearable fairy type in terms of design.
Ice Beam and Scald being present on every single water type is broken as hell.
Fire and Electric are in the running for being some of the worst types (Though obviously still not was bad as Ice and Rock).
Starters are incredibly dull.

>>31817691
I agree.

>>31822275
>Sylveon is easily the most unbearable fairy type in terms of design
Same can be said for literally any eeveelution. They're all just weird dog cat things of absolutely unremarkable quality.

Though for fairy I say aromatisse. ugly as fuck.

Alola has the worst pokemon diversity in the series

>>31822526
t. never played DP

I'm getting sick of Lillie+Lusamine+Wicke's fanbases

Gen 4 is by far the best.

Singles is becoming obsolete and doubles should be the default competitive format for everyone.

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>>31818407

>>31817197
>>Incineroar should have stayed on four legs
Litten becoming a bara edgy furbait is really disappointed, he was my favorite starter when those were announced.

>>31823071
*disappointing

I think nuzlockes are stupid and make the game less fun.
They're only special to people who need a codified rule to tell them to use different Pokemon instead of the same ones over and over.
Otherwise, since the penalty for failure is so severe, they encourage level grinding and the safest strats imaginable, which are both boring.

I have much more fun going in underleveled and having to use riskier strategies and winning by the skin of my teeth, having to reset a few times if necessary. Nuzlockes discourage that.

>>31818244
I agree with ya, especially on bw1 being the better Unova experience.

I never do Nuzlockes because it would just make me feel like a jerk. "Sorry Pidgey, you fainted in battle, now you're dead to me. Get lost."

>>31817269
I'd have to agree. Though I had fun playing it, the main game just felt worse than almost every other pokemon game I've played yet.

Though that berry field kept me coming back over and over though. Better than having to fly across Hoenn and plant the berries in so many different places.

gen 6 and 7 had enough features between them to make the perfect pokemon games if they didnt remove half of them every game

>>31823513
There's a big berry field in oras too. The plots are spread out but all in the same area.

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>Gen 7 is the worst in the series, even when compared to how horrible Gen 6 was.
>Gen 5 is the best in the series, Gen 4 is a very close second place.
>Z Moves are the most cancerous and retarded shit to be introduced into the franchise. Ever.
>At least 50 new mega evolutions should have been introduced in Gen 7.
>Mega evolution should have been relevant in Gen 7 during the main story. Not just end game.
>Red and Blue are the worst champions of the series, and dont deserve the enormous dick sucking the community and Gamefreak gives them.
>Gen 7's story was far too extensive and the cutscenes made it more of a chore than anything.
>Fuckin Lockstin would have done a better job with Gen 7 than Gamefreak did.
>Lillie is the only good character in the entire Gen 7. and yo boy Guzma
>Why is Gen 7 so fucking boring and horrible that motherfuckers couldnt even PAY me $1000 to do a second play through?
>I havent even started a play through of Moon version yet because of how shit Gen 7 is.
>Dead franchise. Only people keeping Pokemon afloat are the same people that talk about how amazing and great Fallout 4 is.
>4 Islands in Gen 7. No surfing involved between any of them. Fucking WHY?
>Get in the fucking bag Nebby.

>>31823852
>Hated the story but like Lillie
That's an unusual combination of opinions

The Mystery Dungeon series, while being decent, is severely overrated. At least for a spinoff.

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>>31824357
I would like to respond in full, but it would be waaay tl;dr so I'll give you the short version;
Lillie actually develops into a memorable character. Hence my like of her.

Lusamine however is the worst Villain of any pokemon game bar none. She has no motivation, no ultimate goal, and no reasons for her sexual obsession with wanting to be violently fondled by random Nihilegos. (Love is not a goal fyi)
(Also, she apparently "loves" pokemon that she kills through experimentation as well apparently)
I mean, Archie wanted to expand the oceans for more oceanic pokemon life. as stupid as his goal was, it was still better than Lusamine's. (If there was even a goal there at all)
Wont lie though, the basic premise of going through the island was decent though. I enjoyed at least that much.

But the Aether Foundation and Lusamine as a whole were complete shite...
>pic related.

If you play with the Shift battle style, you're playing on literal baby difficulty.

Gen 4 Cynthia was NOT difficult in any way. She's simply a casual filter.

>>31825318
>Gen 4 Cynthia was NOT difficult in any way. She's simply a casual filter.
How many of those exist in this series
Like seriously, the only things that get close to or surpass Cynthia's level of difficulty are superbosses
In a series this easy, anything being a "casual filter" is an anomaly
Also set isn't that much harder, quit stroking your e-peen

>>31824829
>She has no motivation, no ultimate goal, and no reasons for her sexual obsession with wanting to be violently fondled by random Nihilegos

It's heavily implied that she stumbled upon ultra space while doing research
and Nihilego's poison was brainwashing her. Her motivation stems from her poison-induced worship of the ultra beasts.

I hate BW2 with a burning passion, the story feel so lackluster and boring and i don't give a shit about postgame, having more time wasted in an uninresting game is really stupid.

>>31818860
Don't you do that anyway when you play competitive, so what's your point

>>31823036
agreed.

Gen 3 and 4 are better than Gen 1 and 2.

>>31818036
>fetish mon

explain

>>31823852
I think it's time for you to drop Pokemon. It clearly isn't something you like any more.

>>31825528
How on earth did you play literally any main series Pokemon game before? The only 2 main series games that even give a shit about the story are B/W and S/M.

>>31817108
Every Pokemon game blows and is only held up by nostalgia, Platinum is probably the best one though but it's like 6/10. The only fun part of the games is catching Pokemon
Competitive is fun as fuck tho, while theres too much RNG for anyone to take it super seriously, it's legit one of the most fun competitive games. As someone who mostly plays fitegames
The designs are getting cooler and more creative as the series goes on
Gen 7 starter lines are the best by far

Mainline game stories are all garbage, no exception.

>>31826731
I dont like competitive for that same reason.

I absolutely loved all the water routes in Hoenn, especially once you enter the ocean east of Lilycove

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>>31827578
>Gen 7 starter lines are the best by far
I feel anyone who has this opinion started playing pokemon yesterday.

>>31828100
Jokes on you that's my opinion and I started playing Pokemon at least 16 years ago

>>31828354
Well that doesn't make your really shitty opinion any less shit anon.

>>31828100
Cool it's not like I've been playing since Yellow dropped, retard. But I should just bandwagon on pointless hate for really cool designs because they're new. And you can't like anything new.

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>having an unpopular opinion

>>31828420
>being a hivemind

>>31827993
I don't think anyone disagrees with this, let alone most people.

Even though I don't play on their simulator I actually respect smogon fags and think they do have a better balance than other formats.

I like all gens with at least 6 pokemon I really like, which leaves genwun being the only one I dislike.

I don't like farming for hidden abilities and absolutely hate how awful it is to get them off of GTS.

I don't mind exp share, as long as someone has fun playing with their pokes they are fine by me.

Fairy type was a fine addition, I feel that it didn't mess things up as much as steel did.

Even with all emerald additions ORAS would have still been terrible because gen 3 was the worst gen. You can polish a turd all you want but it's still a turd.

Gen VII is so boring that I stopped playing after the third trial. I got tired of Hau giving me everything. If he was a real person and I met him, I would break his fucking chipmunk teeth.
Sun and Moon (AKA Chicken) are the most boring player characters to date. Their constant smile and stare are terrifyingly mind-numbing. Chicken-chan has a very boring design, and she's literally the only female MC that I wouldn't fuck.
I didn't mind DP's speed or its limited number of Fire-types. I love them almost as much as I love Platinum.
I used to hate Gen V with a huge passion, but /vp/ gave me good reasons to like it better. Still, I think that Gen IV is superior.
Gen III is very good, and I didn't care about all the sea routes in Hoenn. I actually miss them. I would have loved, however, if the routes had more different Pokémon rather than just Tentacool and Wingull everywhere.
MCs in Pokémon games should always be between 15 and 20 years old, so any kind of romantic subtext and plots don't feel awkward, and so they can be involved in edgier more mature plots. A Pokémon game with a great story that doesn't appeal just to children, but also to teenagers and adults, and with a great postgame including several different battle facilities for single play, are absolutely vital for the franchise.
Also, Pokémon needs one spinoff series rated T or E+10 at least.

In terms of games, all of Gen 6 and 7 have been absolutely awful.

Iris is unironically the best anime companion, and her Axew is one of the best mascot Pokemon.

This is the worst board on 4chan. Bar none except ponies, which doesn't even count.

99% of people who play/watch/do anything relating to Pokemon after the age of 15 have a literal mental disorder, including me.

The BW anime is better than both XY and SM.

PMD Super and Gates were both complete garbage in absolutely every aspect except for music.

Alolan forms being Kanto only is perfectly fine. Some region getting them is better than none getting them, and Kanto is the best choice for it. Newer Generation Pokemon are new enough, they don't need a new form. Yeah, Johto is also pretty old, but fuck Johto Pokemon. If we were going to get 5 more Alolan forms and the choice was between Johto and Kanto Pokemon only, I'd give all those to Kanto.

Certain Pokemon being shilled is okay. Charizard and Pikachu especially so. It hurts no one, makes the fans happy, and I like seeing the jealous faggots rage about it. I hope GF actually makes all popular Pokemon like Pikachu uber tier broken.

Female characters are overrated. Most of the good characters in the series are the Male ones.

BW had the worst story in the series, followed by DPPt. Worst story, but it had some good characters. Cheren, Bianca and Alder were all great characters. Ghetsis was a retarded villain and made no sense, while N was just a delusional faggot without any real personality.

BW2 fixes the issues with story, and Colress is a good antagonist, but at the cost of lesser characters. Hugh is okay at best, Marlon and such are terrible characters. XY continued this trend, having shit characters, but okay story.

XY were better first games than anything before. The only thing they lacked was difficulty.

Gen 2 is the worst generation in the series for me, and this is only having played HGSS. Back when I was planning a team out for the game, I took notice that there were very few good pokemon in the actual main game. I had to trade over eggs from Diamond just to have somewhat of a decent team. Plus the level curve is shit. The main game is one thing, but I'll never forget Kanto, where you've just entered your sixties after you've beaten Blue.Have fun grinding for Red, guys/

Hoenn is when the series started to consistently have good designs. Gens 1 and 2 had them, but Gen 3 not only had more, it spread them out around the pokedex.

Mega Evolutions aren't a cancer that is killing Pokemon. In comparison to the Therian Genies and Ultra Beasts, which are pokemon made for competitive use, I feel they're superior, as they limit people to one, they give older pokemon a second chance at being good, and they all can be used in some way, shape or form.

Postgame matters very little to the series in today's world as Pokemon has been having yearly releases. I barely touched Black and White 2's postgame because X and Y was being released round the time that I got it. I just picked up the next game, plain and simple.

Zinnia as a character is actually pretty good. She's a religious death seeker who wants to save a world she firmly believe exists. She knows that no one else will back her up because if she tries to explain it, she knows she'll sound like a nutjob, so she just decides to be all cryptic about it. The way her story ended in ORAS also tells me that we'll see her again at some point in the series.

I don't think Sun and Moon needs a sequel or a third version. The game, unlike X and Y, felt very complete in it's main game for me. There are a few minor things that could be done that would improve the game, sure, but I don't NEED to come back to Sun and Moon for it to tap into untapped potential, like X and Y.

>>31825473
That on top of the grief of her husband going missing. They left too much to implication honestly, if they explored this stuff more directly Lusamine would have been much better.

>>31829592
>Back when I was planning a team out for the game, I took notice that there were very few good pokemon in the actual main game. I had to trade over eggs from Diamond just to have somewhat of a decent team.

This is actually my Hoenn experience, how weird.

Zygarde Complete should be permanent and keep Aura Break, to actually fulfill its role as the balancing force between Xerneas & Yveltal

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The Mystery Dungeon games gave me a transformation fetish.

>>31829592
>I took notice that there were very few good pokemon in the actual main game. I had to trade over eggs from Diamond just to have somewhat of a decent team.
I had to do this with FRLG. RBY were OK because it was the only thing we had, but this quickly became a problem since more Pokémon were introduced.

I've no idea why people suck B2W2's dick. The big thing it added was PWT, which was just an easier version of the Battle Tower since every trainer could only pick from a pool of 6 pokemon, all of which are the same type, and you know exactly which trainers would be in which tournament

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>There has been no drop in the quality of Pokemon designs throughout the series.

>Generation V is the best because it held up as its own region. Other games felt like an expansion to the original, but Generation V comes off as a true sequel.

>I enjoyed Pokemon Black Version and Pokemon White Version (2010) more than Pokemon Black Version 2 and Pokemon White Version 2 (2012) because the story and setting was better even though the game play was not.

>Mega Evolutions were a mistake. Alternate forms are alright. Ultra-Beasts and regional variants are great.

>Cutscenes should only exist before the game starts and after the game ends aside from a few exceptions. The most important part of video games as an art form is their interactivity. The player should have control over their avatar as much as possible.

>Artificial roadblocks are a plague. Hidden Machines and the badge check at Victory Road are all that's necessary.

>Poke Ride is not an acceptable replacement for Hidden Machines because you are not using your own Pokemon. "Convienent" changes such as these are a worrisome sign that a video game developer is forgetting that they are producing a Role-Playing Game.

>>31829592
>Mega Evolutions aren't a cancer that is killing Pokemon. In comparison to the Therian Genies and Ultra Beasts, which are pokemon made for competitive use, I feel they're superior, as they limit people to one, they give older pokemon a second chance at being good, and they all can be used in some way, shape or form.
>Postgame matters very little to the series in today's world as Pokemon has been having yearly releases. I barely touched Black and White 2's postgame because X and Y was being released round the time that I got it. I just picked up the next game, plain and simple.
>Zinnia as a character is actually pretty good. She's a religious death seeker who wants to save a world she firmly believe exists. She knows that no one else will back her up because if she tries to explain it, she knows she'll sound like a nutjob, so she just decides to be all cryptic about it. The way her story ended in ORAS also tells me that we'll see her again at some point in the series.
>I don't think Sun and Moon needs a sequel or a third version. The game, unlike X and Y, felt very complete in it's main game for me. There are a few minor things that could be done that would improve the game, sure, but I don't NEED to come back to Sun and Moon for it to tap into untapped potential, like X and Y.
This is the only right opinion in this thread.

>>31832231
I fully agree with the first four points
>Cutscenes should only exist before the game starts and after the game ends aside from a few exceptions.
RPGs need more than that but in other genres I pretty much agree
>Artificial roadblocks are a plague. Hidden Machines and the badge check at Victory Road are all that's necessary.
Hidden machines were bothersome because they forced you to use up moveslots on your team for moves that had little use in battle. I like how gen 5 handles them, though, where they only exist for optional content
>Poke Ride is not an acceptable replacement for Hidden Machines because you are not using your own Pokemon. "Convienent" changes such as these are a worrisome sign that a video game developer is forgetting that they are producing a Role-Playing Game.
Considering every 'mon has walking and running animations, I actually suspect they might improve on HMs/ride 'mons and such by just giving every ride-able poke a field skill. But until that happens I guess you have a point here

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Party Exp Share makes the game more fun

>>31835327
I like Exp all better for post-game grinding, but I really wish old exp share still existed

Pokemon campaign gets worse with every generation; The main games continue to remove your sense of exploration in favor of a shitty shoehorned plot and constrict your options as much as possible

>>31817279

A million times this.

>>31817440

Instead of forcing gyms to be in order, allow you to partake in an assortment of gyms at each tier. What if you had 9 gyms, three at each level (around 20s, 35s, 50s) and you could explore those cities as you please, and take on gyms at your leisure. You don't even need to beat all gyms to go to the elite four, just eight of them. You could even have a BIG CITY like they're always trying to push and maybe have 2 or 3 gyms in that one city. And sidequests leading up to/ only available after certain gyms.

Nonlinearity isn't that hard, designers just have to not be lazy.

In Gen 1 I think you could do some things, like Fuschia before Saffron, if you took bike path before bothering to give the guard water.

>>31817440
>However I have no idea on how effectively replace it
Do it like the mango, gym leaders will have different teams of different levels based on the amount of badges you own, before facing a gym you can choose a modality ala Battle Frontier, finally get rid of HMs making gyms completely optional for those who want to focus on the pokémon league

>>31827389
All other games before BW2 and after fine, but the fact it released a year and 8 months right when get games was rare for me and just got the first, plus it feels so rehashed to me, yet say you don't like as the peak of pokemon perfection and crack out the lynch mob on this broad.

>>31823036
agreed, but the problem is that not many people play it on showdown and i can't be fucked to make a team in cart even with injecting because it takes too long.

>gen 1 unironically has some of the greatest designs
>gamefreak is getting lazier and lazier each new generation
>I want another PBR clone for the switch
>S&M would have been the best games in the series if gamefreak followed through with their ideas (UBs, alternate universes, trials, etc) but instead it's an unfinished waifu pandering bore
>alolan forms are some of the best things introduced in the series
>I don't like Lillie

Judging from this thread...

>Sun & Moon is great

>>31817798
>the worst and most buggy games in the series deserve a 9/10 for being the first ones
what did he mean by this?

I really don't get why the fanbase is losing its shit over pokedex entries and mentions of death or war.

The series has made it a point that the Pokemon world is really not that far from our own despite the monsters living in it. If anything, it was foolish to think the Pokemon world was a "sugar bowl" of sorts.

>>31817290
Pokemon Go is intended for normie faggots who like to socialise and get hit by cars.

Compared to a real Pokemon game, Go is a dysfunctional pile of steaming shit.

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Gen 7 had much unused potentional.

The story should´ve been longer. way longer, but not so handholding.
more impact of the UB´s on the story, more "warm and fuzzy" moments (like having a sleepover with background-infos, talking and stuff)

the ability to SKIP CUTSCENES (for fucks sake)

More iconic trainers (Sandra from gen2, Iris, Hilbert, Gold, May, Zinnia, Steven....the important trainers from older games, heck, even RELEASE HIM N would´ve been nice, like how he wanted to meet the aether foundaiton because they´re helping pokemon)


I know postgame is a big thing in pokemon and everyone complains no matter how much postgame there is.

But remember the good games of the past that end after defeating the final boss and you cant save, it just stops at the "THE END" screen.
Postgame is nice and all, but i want the game itself to be longer than fucking 8 hours + 10 hours of talking and cutscenes.

I want a free game. something like in DP (inb4 DiaPer beam lol :^) ) where you had the chance of choosing your route to either the watergym and the fighting gym. just give us a few options what to use. something completely new. An Adventure is something different than a Storytelling game. heck even in Visual novels you have different routes to take. why can hentai games do this, and not pokemon?

I hate double battles.
RSE are the ugliest games in the series by far.
May is the worst pokegirl.

Hunger Games should be allowed. People sperg out at RNG in the Battle Tree, so they should be able to sperg out at RNG in a stupid simulator

>>31837453
HG threads are pointless cancer that should be banned at once. Whas even the purpose of them? You just sit there, have 50 people throw in random images and stupid names, then 200 who didnt notice that its only 50 entrants, and then you just sit there waiting for that faggot OP to post this stupid shit.

>>31837453
I forgot to add that
>It just gets bigger !
Is the most retarded argument and legitimately neck yourself if you've ever used it.

>Go is meh, but I am glad it genuinely got some of my friends interested in Pokemon again
>Shinies you didn't catch yourself are worthless
>Starters and Pseudo got overshadowed by a ton of things
>As a Steelfag, it pains me to say that A-Dugtrio is worse than its Normal counterpart, and I'm not even talking ebin maymay hair

This one might be popular here or anywhere where people have common sense, but here goes. I've seen a ton of people ask for 6iv stuff, when the 5iv (or 4 for TR stuff) would work just as well, sometimes even better

>Outside of mixed attackers, breeding for 6ivs is a waste of time.

>Typhlosion is the best starter
>Fuck Ballio
>Moon is not a good waifu (and yes im not calling her by THAT name)
>Magic Guard is underrated

>Gen 4 and 5 are equally good.

I prefer Crystal to HGSS. Crystal's encounter tables cover more of my favorite Johto mons, I don't like a lot of the visual overhauls to the game world, and I despise the new Kimono Girls plotline. HGSS itself doesn't do much to improve on either my pros or cons of Johto, most of it is just adding things that while neat I don't personally care about.

XY is one of my favorite entries. I really like Kalos as a setting, I like the general "style" it has visually, and many story elements are so unelaborated on that it's easy to make assumptions on many parts of it to make it far more personally interesting. I still recognize it as one of the worst in many aspects, though.

I think Emerald is a much better game than ORAS but I'd still rather play ORAS for certain changes and improvements it has over RSE despite overall being a much less polished product.

Platinum is great, but other than the vast improvement to encounter tables and decent improvements to enemy teams I don't understand why people act like it's miles ahead of DP, especially after having replayed both back to back recently. I felt the same way back in 2009 when I first played it.

Kanto deserves new remakes before Sinnoh because Kanto is a boring as fuck setting that could thrive greatly with some major overhauls to it, while the Sinnoh games are still perfectly playable.

SM is the worst mainline game to me because Alola as a region has absolutely nothing going for it. There's no sequence breaking like Kanto, there's no atmosphere that I like like Johto and Kalos, there's no defining map design element like Hoenn's water routes, and there aren't a slew of fleshed out optional areas like Unova or Sinnoh.

BW2 is one of my favorite games, but I don't care for the PWT because "look at all these returning characters with no use outside of this cameo!" always comes off really cheap and shallow to me in anything that isn't specifically a crossover, and the only neat mode in it gamewise is the Mix Tournaments.

>>31817108
I have enjoyed every Pokemon game and don't think any of them are shit.

>>31817108
R/B/Y are terrible, and FR/LG are only salvaged by the sevii islands. B/W are also terrible.

>>31838816
X/Y coming out in October enhanced the experience for me as dumb as that sounds. I remember getting to that fall inspired area with gourgeist with it also being like that outside my house. In hindsight I think X/Y are boring but that was a fond memory i have of those games.

Competitive pokemon is a unbalanced joke cause the game was never meant to be competitive, and injecting is for fags who need to cheat in a little kids game.

>>31836041
>>gamefreak is getting lazier and lazier each new generation
This isn't a unpopular opinion. It's a well-known fact.

>>31837435
>Sandra from gen2
Who?

>>31817108
I think each individual Pokemon and their moves, designs, etc. should be judged on a case-by-case basis instead of judging entire gens. I just can't wrap my head around the idea of WHOLE gens being disliked because of a few little things like one ugly evolutionary line or some minor feature.

Sun and Moon are great games
Gen 2 blows because of the leveling curve
Ultra Beasts are a great concept that should be brought back in later series
Gen 5 is the best Gen
Kanto remakes/sequel would be nice
We don't need DP remakes, but instead a Platinum remake
Sun and Moon has the best soundtrack in the main game series

>>31841366
Sandra meaning Clair, since it's her French/German/Italian name
>>31837435
>using non-English names on an English-speaking imageboard and expecting others to know who you're talking about
Dumb sludgeposter

The only Battle Frontier that really matters is from Emerald. Gen IV Battle Frontier is completely dispensable.

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Hau is a good and precious friend, and because of him, I want to try a malasada someday.

>>31820498
The only balance issue I could see is how to handle wild Pokemon, but I'm sure it could be done. Just have certain parts of routes be tougher than others, like having the grass on most routes be low levels, then the farther you go away from the road, into caves and forests, the higher level they get. Though technically this opens the door to abuse and catching high level Pokemon early, so you may have to expand the gym badges to affect the level of Pokemon you can catch.

Plot would certainly have to be handled a bit differently, but it could be done somewhat similarly to an open world RPG, have a main plot that if followed would you take you through the world in a certain order, but allows lots of freedom to take detours and go your own way, do things in a different order, and have side stories in each area.

Doubles is better than singles
Triple Battles and even Rotation is better than singles

As a person who was pushed into Pokémon by Gen 2 and have grown attached to it as my personal game, I'm obligated to atleast admit that gen 2 was fucking garbage
So garbage in fact that HGSS, while good on their own right, didn't actually solve the problem that made Gen 2 garbage in the first place.
It's very heavily reasoned as Gen 2 being Gen 1.5 that's the cause of the problem

There's literally nothing wrong with Gen 3 and 5 having similar evolution lines to gen 1, how else are you going to fill up a dex over 100 that isn't cross gen.

I don't like the Island Trials, like at all, too retarded sometimes and a lot of them were throwaway shit,Totem battles can stay though

I really fucking hate Iris as a champion. Her character is fine,I just don't like her being champion.

Kukui should've been pushed as a champion rather than "Celebration to your Island Trial", he should've been a lot more smug

People who say "Too many cutscenes" are fucking asshats

Sun and Moon isn't that good.
It's somehow even more boring than the previous gen.

I don't think Pheromosa should be banned. She's so weak to priority it's not even funny. Aerialated quick attack from Mega Pinsir OHKOs her every time.

This board is full of shit opinions

Gen 2 feels more like an expansion pack to Gen 1, rather than feeling like an entirely new gen.

Its a good thing that Gen 6 and 7 each have a reduced amount of new mons compared to earlier gens.

>>31853439
if your logic behind this is "muh quality over quantity" then it's not an unpopular opinion

>>31853503
Most of this thread is hardly "unpopular opinions"

>>31852978
Because it sort of... is. Some 'mons in Gen 2 were SUPPOSED to be in Gen 1, but were cut due to lack of space on the cartridge.

>Gen 5 was a masterpiece except for the legendaries/mythicals

> electivire is seriously underrated

> stealth rock was a mistake

> mythicals/legendaries/ ultrabeasts shouldn't be legal

> you should go to jail for hacking

I think there is no such thing as a Pokémon with shit design
Of course there are some that are way better than others and even a lot that are bad, but not shitty

The Pokémon anime should be entirely rewritten in a more adult manner, and possibly have different main characters every gen or focus more on the supporting characters. I get really tired of Ash losing every single season because "muh show must go on"

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>>31854792
>> you should go to jail for hacking
>>31854843
>complaining that a Thaiwanese sock-puppet show isn't written for you on an 18+ Korean Calligraphy imageboard

>>31818407
This, and I don't like Gengar.

Gen V was best than Gen VI

>>31855514
People need to understand what "unpopular" means.

>>31817108
Ultra Beasts are a fantastic idea and are way better in concept than any of the Gen 5 or 6 Legendaries

>>31817279
It doesn't need to be an "Open World" just make the several major cities (aka: Gym cities) connected to other major cities, and have the entire game scale to the team you carry around.
You'll always start the game at the starting town, but if you can tackle the gyms in any order.
Also, add something like totems or trials at a few key locations. The trials can be a mini cap, like using the trials to grant the player surf/strength/cut etc... so if you aren't skilled enough to beat a trial at level 20, you can sneak into the dragon gym before they learn any powerful moves.

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i just started playing pokemon go

it is actually pretty good, everything works perfect for me i don't know maybe it's because gen 2 is in the game now and that's the gen when i started so maybe it's a weird kind of nostalgia

now i actually want it to keep getting better and add trading or maybe shinies i also want it to get to gen 4 as soon as possible since right now im looking for an aipom and i know that when i get it i'll also want my bro infernape in my team

this game has a lot of potential, i still like the pokemon on my 3ds way more but i can't bring a 3ds to my job that would look autistic as fuck, so im glad i can have a few pokemon on my phone

>>31823852
>>At least 50 new mega evolutions should have been introduced in Gen 7.
fucking this, the mega system was great for bringing back old mons that were becomming irrelevant in competitive (venusaur, alakazam, sableye, metagross) or straight shit (heracross, pinsir, mawille, kanga, banette); alolan mons were interesting for 5 minutes and only two of them are still relevant.
don't get me wrong, having regional variants is a good idea for the next games, still, who cares if they bring back rattata or persian if they are still shitmons; not every mon has to be good competitive, but why shitting on the same mon twice?

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I hate this ugly abortion and nobody else on /vp/ seems to share that opinion

>>31858872
Cuz its a really shit opinion

>>31858872
Good Pokemon, bad design.

>>31818666
I hope he's flying type as a homage to "Bird" type

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>>31827195
I will let you deduce this one, anon

I adored BW1, but BW2 felt like a chore to get through.

>>31817451
>atmosphere

Nah if there's anything Alola did right it was the atmosphere and personality of the region

>>31827389
Platinum has the best story in the franchise, and both BW's and SM's stories are poorly paced trash

HGSS are overrated and the Safari is fucking garbage

People who complain about the cutscenes in Sun and Moon need to be Lynched for not having patience like every modern game, even other Nintendo games. Gen 5 had a fuck load of text that can be considered cutscenes because of how long N scenes were

I will never understand why people meme trick room when it is a legitimate strategy, especially in doubles

Gladion was horse shit with the fags calling him "The real rival", you only fight the fuck 3 times in the main story and the third fight was the only time he used Sylvally against your starter
Hau's your rival, period

Umbreon is the worst eeveelution, worst Pokemon all round, shittiest design, "Maximum Edge-Mon". Whoever designed this trash should be lobotomized (Like I had for having so many shit opinions)

I genuinelly wish there could be a Pokémon Live-Action movie with CGI Pokémon.

Gen 1 has some of the worse designs.

I think a Pokémon game developped by Obsidian would be interesting.

I see why you're all unpopular.