GIVE ME ONE REASON WHY TAPU LELE ISNT UBER

muk

>>31809025
Muk isnt even a solid counter for it!
Nothing prevents tapu lele from just switching into landorus is that happens.

>>31809036
Except pursuit.

>>31809036
Give me your definition of counter

>>31809036
By this definition it is literally impossible for anything without any trapping capabilities to counter something else.

>>31809019
Muk, Celesteela, Bronzong, Magearna, scouting in general is easy.

If you want something banned, look at Metagross and Pheromosa first because they are the two problem children of the tier at the moment.

>>31809071
But thats a case by case reason. Most muks might have pursuit but wouldnt that get in the way of using knock off?
I digress tapu lele is over centralizing if you got to have a muk just to deal with it.
>>31809073
A pokemon that could switch in and beat said oppenent. Without dying.

>>31809087
>Pheromosa
How? Countered by Fini, Toxapex, Marowak, Muk, and stall in general.

>>31809087
Ok but you know each time you switch into tapu lele with a steel type said steel type will eat a hp fire or psychic. For a shitton of damage.

>>31809120
252 Atk Life Orb Pheromosa Poison Jab vs. 248 HP / 192 Def Tapu Fini: 177-211 (51.6 - 61.5%) -- 96.1% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 Atk Life Orb Pheromosa High Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Muk-Alola: 364-429 (87.9 - 103.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

4 SpA Life Orb Pheromosa Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Marowak-Alola: 66-78 (25.2 - 29.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock

That is not countered. Counter means you can switch in on any move safely and still beat it. None of these have reliable recovery, Marowak can switch in on Ice Beam and stealth rock once and then get uturned, then it can't switch in again.

Toxapex is literally the only thing that can reliably take pheromosa on and it is a deadweight on anything other than stall.

>>31809108
What is that logic?????

The muk user is facing a tapu lele which you are arguing has no counters and can't be beaten. You're arguing the tapu lele user is just going to switch to landorus.

Then you decide that the muk user just shits the bed and chooses to knock off the lando instead of pursuit and kill the "uber" tapu lele? What?

>>31809257
>it is a deadweight on anything other than stall.
Can we kill this meme? Just because it doesn't fit hyper offensive teams it doesn't mean Balance and Bulky Offense cannot use them

>>31809440
it's a complete momentum killer for anything other than stall unless you just suicide lead with it for the spikes and that's pretty fucking dumb

I don't think it's as bad as people make it out to be but there's definitely better choices around.

>>31809440
It is a massive liability for teams that don't have a Sableye to stop hazards and 3 other fat as fuck walls to plug holes where it is weak.

People act like haze is some bulletproof counter to each and every set up sweeper but toxapex is easy fodder for excadrill, cm koko and lele, z-snatch hoopa, sd chomp, xurkitree, sd bulu, serperior and tons more. 99% of the time it is complete shit outside of stall and that is fact.

>>31809491
It's a great pivot so your team doesn't require sacrificing something and can also haze.

>>31809019

She hasn't sucked enough Smogon cocks yet. Give her time.

Metagross

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>>31809019
because she is my bitch

>>31809513
pivots need to have some kind of offensive presence and in ou almost always have momentum grabbing moves. Rotom, magearna, scizor, pelipper. Toxapex is the exact opposite. It beats pokemon by sitting in front of them and stalling them out with haze, recover and going for scald burns. I imagine people that think it's good on balance are the same people that use baneful bunker and think it's good in some way.

>>31809564
Tapu lele used Focus blast!

>>31809659
>focus meme

>>31809145
252 SpA Tapu Lele Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Assault Vest Magearna: 78-94 (21.4 - 25.8%) -- 2% chance to 4HKO

252+ SpA Magearna Flash Cannon vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Lele: 254-302 (90.3 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

>>31809659
and failed

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>>31809019
BULLETO PAWNCH

>>31809665
>not knowing that focus Blast has 100% accuracy when your opponent uses it

>>31809692

>70% accuracy

It's going to hit 7 out of 10 times

>>31809700
>the battlefield prevents bullet punch
>tapu lele used hp fire

>>31809700
>priority
good meme

>>31809687
Why isnt margerna uber?
The shits way too good for OU has no counters.

>>31809702
what happens when you are the opponent?

>>31809019
>Tapu Lele used Psychic!
>It doesn't effect Tyranitar...
>[Tapu Lele is being withdrawn!]
>Tyranitar used Pursuit!
>Tapu Lele fainted!

>>31809771
>tapu lele used moonblast
>tyranitar fainted
>tyranitars trainer is a faggot

Lacking Quiver Dance, the one thing that thematically fits yet breaks it.

>>31809708
well you say that buuuuut

>>31809740
>magearna should be uber
>lando should be uber
>tapus should be uber
>dugtrio should be uber
>megagross should be uber
>m-sableye should be uber
>UBs should be uber
You should just accept that OU is now uber 0.5 and play an actually decent format.

>>31809797
my favorite meme

>>31809792
Then you know it's not choiced, which means you can kill it with any single one of your faster 'mons.

>>31809827
are you defending the amount of copypasting going on in current OU?
it's fucking gen 4 skarmbliss tier

>>31809792
What tapu lele isnt running choice specs?

>>31809846
i simply acknowledged that you said a meme that i like. Why are you going on some weird tangent.

>>31809877
I'll assume you're not playing dumb

You're welcome, it's a very good meme indeed

Is muk UU yet

>>31809797
Sableye? Tapus? Lando? Magearna??

Just, all tapus? Bulu and Fini are unequivocally not broken, 90% of people would agree that koko isn't broken and almost every good player would agree lele isn't broken.

Also, UBs? Just all UBs? Nihilego? Buzzwole? Kartana? Xurkitree? Fucking Guzzlord?

What sucks about people like you is that there an equal number of people that freak out when actually broken shit gets banned.

One half of them are screaming that non broken shit like legendaries, tapus and lando need to be banned and that smogon is shit because they "love lando too much" or whatever the fuck backwards ass logic they have, and another half is out there whining that aegislash isn't broken, just run mandibuzz on every team or complaining that blaziken is banned because it's their favorite starter so fuck smogon

>>31809073
OHK without a fucking Z move.
Nothing in the game OHKs Scarf Lele, or 2HKs while being 4HK by her.

Lele is the worst designed mon in the game. Most damage of the Tapus, best typing and coverage of the Tapus, best bulk of the Tapus, and sits in an excellent scarf speed tier.

Psychic is too strong on Lele. Nothing can swap in to threaten her or whatever she pivots into.

>>31809019
It's only good set is the scarf set

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>>31809922
I don't even personally care, I just use what I like and take my losses. I just think it's silly to complain about broken shit in a format full of broken shit.

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>>31809794
>Quiver Dance Lele

>>31809019
Because Lele is cute, CUTE
There are too many ugly mons like Lando and Megagross in OU, Smogon know they have to balance it out with cuteness so that players keep enjoying the game.

>>31809971
Please stop saying her it's a pokemon for fucks sake.

And fuckloads can switch in they've been listed above. It's either weak with scarf or it's slow with specs and you can scout around and beat it fairly easily that way. If it's not choiced then it's still slow and it doesn't have the immediate damage output of specs.

>>31810007
No need to get so bothered by pronouns, anon.

>>31809971
>>31809687

>>31809019
Lele-chan is too cute to be banned.

>>31809977
except the scarf set is fucking ridiculous and is easily the strongest set in the game.

why do you get a mon that outspeeds the entire region unboosted, cant be ohk by anything that isn't a z move (and has few 2hks), impossible to revenge kill because terrain, bulk, and typing, and can at worst, 2hk the entire region, even with 252hp/252spd, with 2 exceptions, barring AV, and can OHK a vast majority of the region? Even with AV, few mons can actually touch it because of its ridiculous base stats and typing, much less hit whatever Lele wants to pivot into.

Lele is by far the best mon of Gen7 and the entire Alola region. You'd have to be handicapped to argue otherwise, and she belongs in Ubers.
>>31810007
>weak with scarf
are you fucking stupid
unless you immediately replace the terrain, no it's not. actually fucking use the mon, dumbass. 130spa with +50% boost to psychic isn't weak.

>>31810007
>130 spa + free 50% stab boost is weak
what a time we live in

>>31810007
yeah, 95 speed is slow. compared to whom?

with scarf nothing outspeeds it, with specs nothing surivies it. and even scarfed she still kills easy, racking up KOs as they try to switch in something that might stop her. and that's to say if you dont have a dark type and enough mons to sacrifice to her (ie, late game), you're done. I've honestly been thinking about sturdy mirror coats as to counter her. I shouldn’t need to

Priority cant work on her either.

I'm curious how they're gonna fix her later.

>>31809019
Because Duggy stops it from stallbreaking and HO usually has a faster scarfer and Metagross as a check.

>>31810096
252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 248 HP / 200 SpD Scizor-Mega: 91-108 (26.5 - 31.4%) -- guaranteed 4HKO

252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 248 HP / 8 SpD Assault Vest Magearna: 65-77 (17.9 - 21.2%) -- possible 5HKO

252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 51-60 (16.9 - 19.9%) -- guaranteed 6HKO

252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Celesteela: 78-93 (19.5 - 23.3%) -- possible 6HKO after Leftovers recovery


252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 184+ SpD Bronzong: 38-45 (11.2 - 13.3%) -- possibly the worst move ever

252 SpA Tapu Lele Moonblast vs. 252 HP / 16 SpD Assault Vest Muk-Alola: 102-121 (24.6 - 29.2%) -- 99.9% chance to 4HKO

252 SpA Tapu Lele Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Volcarona: 213-252 (56.9 - 67.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
where volc qds up then outspeeds, roosts and stalls out terrain, beating lele.

252 SpA Tapu Lele Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 200+ SpD Jirachi: 100-118 (24.7 - 29.2%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

There are dark types out the ass this gen. Hoopa, Greninja, Sableye, Muk, Gyarados that make psychic so much less spammable. Shit on every single team make lele's prediction game a fucking nightmare and things like magearna are spammable as fuck and can just be thrown on basically any team easy as fuck.

Can I ask what your highest showdown rank is? 1200? Have you ever got reqs or do you attempt every time and fail? Yes in gen 4 it would be strong but it can't break the multitude of walls to it in this meta without specs or calm mind.

Not to mention choosing between tbolt, shadow ball, hp fire, focus blast, psyshock. There's a reason it's not even s rank anymore, it's because the meta is prepared as fuck for it now and it, once again, needs to pick its poison between specs and scarf, just like how koko has to choose between orb, magnet, scarf or soemthing else, where each item causes issues.

>>31810145
Legit don't say her it's cringey as fuck and makes me feel gross just to read it

>with specs nothing surivies it

252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 200+ SpD Jirachi: 148-176 (36.6 - 43.5%) -- 99.1% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Celesteela: 140-166 (35.1 - 41.7%) -- 82.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Choice Specs Tapu Lele Shadow Ball vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 242-286 (80.3 - 95%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

even if it predicts metagross and has the perfect moveset it cant ko.

People act like with specs on you can just predict every switch and you'll win. Prediction isn't a one way street, and all of the 2hko or 3hko calcs aren't that meaningful when i can see it's locked into specs hp fire and double to a better counter.

>yeah, 95 speed is slow. compared to whom?

I don't know, greninja, duggy, garchomp, pheromosa, koko, nihilego, kartana, mew clones, metagross, pinsir, volcarona, weavile, zygarde dog, alakazam, zard x and y, manaphy, sd scolipede. Maybe some of them

>>31809971
252 Atk Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tapu Lele: 384-452 (136.6 - 160.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ SpA Tapu Lele Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross: 158-186 (52.4 - 61.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Landorus: 166-196 (52 - 61.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Tapu Lele has to predict a metagross switch in to not get crushed, and otherwise if they switch out, metagross still chunks a lando I switch in before getting out itself.

And this is WITHOUT being a mega. Metagross-M outspeeds Lando-T and secures the 2hko, while also having this defensive calc:

252 SpA Tapu Lele Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Metagross-Mega: 122-144 (40.5 - 47.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO


Steel Types, #1

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cause ots not smeargle

>>31809087
>Metagross
Persian-A one rocky helmet and foul play for you
GG M-Dross

>>31809019
Solgaleo

>>31809145
>Steel doesn't resist Psychic

>>31809715
>>31809733
Psychic field only lasts 5 turns dummy. After your 5 pokemon die just send it in a bullet punch duhhh

>>31809796
this

I dare anon:
>>31809708
To use Focus Blast 100 times, and tell us how many times it actually hits.

>>31809257

>Fletchling used Peck

>>31810335
>And that's why "Deoxys" is not Uber

>>31809708
Focus Blast misses as often as Scald burns, which is 90%.