how to buff hail?

>>31804241
Make it an automatic KO to anything that doesn't resist it.

Some sort of bonus ice types similar to sandstorm with rock I imagine would be the obvious way. Maybe defense?

>>31804241
Staying too long in Hail will increase the changes of the opponent freezing.
Will override other status effects :^)

>>31804273
>>31804286
>giving Ice-types any sort of defensive boost in Hail
Nah. Ice as a defensive type is completely unsalvageable. At least Rock has a couple of nice resistances to switch in on.

What Hail really needs is some serious offensive boosts. Either give Ice-types a 1.5x Special Attack bonus in Hail, or drop the priority of non-Ice-types by 1 in Hail, which is almost the same as giving Ice-types +1 Priority in Hail except it can't be blocked by Psychic Terrain, Queenly Majesty, and Dazzling.

If a pokemon knows aurora veil, it automatically activates when hail is up. Hello OU Icetales

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Ice-types now lose their weaknesses in Hail. Nothing can hit them for SE damage.

>>31804833
If only Ice Arceus didn't exist this would work.

>>31804833
abomasnow banned

>>31804241
1/8

>>31804241
hail damage confuses non-ice types
those big chunks give pokes concussions

it ohkos pokemon who are frozen
it lowers non-ice speed
it deals more damage to pokes who are weak against ice

hailstorm gets more severe as time goes on, causing more damage every turn

damage scales with weaknesses

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>>31805262
>1/16 on the first turn
>1/8 on the second
>1/4 on the third
>1/3 on the fourth
>1/2 on the fifth

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Ice types gain evasiveness when hail is up

Increase Ice type attacks to increase 50% during hail, all rock type attacks have 20% less accuracy.

>>31804241
Doubles freeze chance on moves with that additional effect (eg Blizzard, Ice Beam)

Halves water and fire move damage and boosts ice damage by 50%

>>31804241

Boost Ice attacks by x1.5

>>31806985
Water types thank you, goy.

>>31804833
Maybe if it dampened SE damage, rather than nullified it.

>>31807172
Is it worth the Hail damage?

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>>31805320
>Instant Kill with Icy Rock

>>31804241
Just increase the viability of Ice abilities and moves during Hail.

>Hail now does 1/8 damage
>Hail heals Ice Pokemon 1/16th of their HP (1/8th if they have Ice Body ability)
>Slush Rush also buffs Ice attacks by 30% and given more distribution (Glaceon, Froslass)
>Snow Cloak also raises Defense and Sp. Defense 1 Stage
>Blizzard damage buffed back to 120. Freezing chance buffed to 30% during Hail.

What if Hail, much like Stealth Rock, dealt damage over time based on resistances and weaknesses?

>>31807923

I like this.

Make it reduce accuracy for non ice types.

>>31804241
Make mons that set hail good and have good mons that can use hail.

>>31807923
>no damage for ice
>1/16 for resists
>1/12 for neutral
>1/8 for 2x weak
>1/6 for 4x weak
make it happen, I NEED to fuck genies in the ass

>>31804241

Make Hail nullify Ice's weaknesses like Delta Stream does for Flying. It's the only thing I can think of to save all the slow, bulky Ice types. One resistance won't take them that far, but it's the most that can be done.

>>31804241
Ice-type moves gain a flat +10% chance to freeze in hail (e.g. Blizzard goes from 30% to 40%, Icicle Spear goes from 0% chance to 10% each hit, or ~40%, etc)

Pokemon get a -10% chance to thaw in hail but are more likely to thaw out in the other 3 weathers

Ice-type moves do 1.30x more damage in hail. 1.5x is too much with the other effects

Reduces the accuracy of non-Ice types

etc

>>31807492
He said buff, not overpower.

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>>31804833
Dat filename tho

Have Hail actually give a type a boost in power for its attacks like Rain and Sun do.

Make more good abilities like Slush Rush

Make more good moves like Aurora Veil

Make less slow, "defensive" Ice types

How about just make hail naturally last twice as long? 10 turns for hail without icy rock, or maybe just go back to gen 5 infinite weather for just hail therefore ice doesn't become broken in hail, but they can benefit over a longer period

To all of you people saying that hail should increase ice attack power, you should realize blizzard would be broken with perfect accuracy. I do think I've should get the buffs, but it'd be way too easy to just blizzard spam, especially in doubles. Imagine if rain made hydro pump never miss and hydro pump also hit multiple opponents

>>31810367

*ice should get the buff

I like the idea of ice attacks getting stronger, and maybe ice mons getting bulkier, but the perfect accuracy blizzards would have to go