Fire doggo of healthy meta

how and why

>>31783661
and you are complaining...because?
that's right: shitposting

Because he's good at what he does? Is this a valid question? Do you even competitive?

>>31783995
How are you not aware of how good Arcanine is in doubles?

>>31784027
ive never touched vgc, i only do singles. is it just bulky intimidate w/burn up?

>>31783995
Best available intimidate user in VGC so far. Plus each Tapu needs to compete with 3 other Tapus for a slot, hence them having lower usage individually.

>>31784024
>>31782033
>Always threads complaining about 50% intimidate land doggo
This is the first I've seen for 60% intimidate fire doggo

>>31784032
snarl too

>>31783661

Only because Lando-T isn't legal yet

>>31784050
i tried out the same set in singles, bretty good but cucked hard by status. i guess that isnt nearly as common in dubs

>>31784107
Status (especially sleep) is virtually useless in VGC 2017, because there is always terrain up.

Toxic only sees use on Porygon2 in order to beat other Porygon2.

Recovery, ability to lose typing therefore losing all weaknesses.

Strong moves via burn up, flare blitz, wild charge, able to burn.

Can support by mowing down special users with Snarl and punish physical users with Wisp and Intimidate.

Extreme Speed for that later game clean-up, or to get rid of potential sweepers.

Also, great defenses, and attack.

Yeah...

Resists common types, like: Ice and Fairy, and has a situational attack to deal with its weaknesses.

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>shitmon becomes decent and suddenly gets 60% usage
the problem with the meta is not the meta itself, it's the all the people who are willing to use copypasted cookie cutter teams

no amount of banning, buffing and nerfing will get those people to use subpar mons, and there will always be a king of the hill

>>31784107
>bretty good but cucked hard by status

That's why Tapu Fini is a partner.

>>31784247
yes

>>31784197
>Arcanine
>Shitmon in doubles

>>31784273
>doubles
who give a fuck about pre gen-6 doubles lol

>>31784308
I don't care about doubles at all

>>31784317
me neither but the pokemon we're talking about a shitmon that's only decent in doubles

>>31784317
This

>>31784328
But it's not a shitmon just like some Pokémon thrive in singles some do in doubles I'm not saying it's a beast because there are mons that can handle both singles and doubles equally but shtimon it's not

>>31784247
lol

Will Arcanine still be better than Incineroar?

>>31785301
does incineroar get snarl?
i haven't ever seen its stats either way, so who knows.

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>>31785701

Yes, it gets Snarl.

Incineroar is slower than Arcanine, but hits slightly harder and is slightly bulkier, and has Fake Out and U-turn.

It also has less Special Attack, but the STAB on Snarl balances that out.

>>31785752
>loses fairy resist
>can't burn up
Nah, inciniroar won't ever take Arcanine's crown.

>>31785783

Burn Up is a shit move that nobody uses.

Being typeless means you lose your STAB and your resistances. It's not worth it.

>>31785895
>Burn Up is a shit move that nobody uses.
>ITT: we reveal we've never played a VGC match.

Oh, yes- I HATE being typless going up against garchomp, gastrodon, fini, pelipper, anything under rain, etc etc.
I can resist fairies on the switch, that's all that fucking matters.

>>31785301
Maybe in general, but Incineroar will excel in certain niches over Arcanine

still have to wait til Incineroar has a legal way to get Intimidate, wait til VGC 2018, or both.

>>31783661
Then I'll bring my mermaid snek.

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>>31785934
Hardly anyone actually uses burn up on arcanine. It's inconsistent to use, and isn't something anyone would want on a moveslot as Arcanine's 4 move slot syndrome is bad enough already. The following stats are from the highest ELO players of the VGC 17 meta. Unless you mean to tell me that thousands of the top players are somehow "wrong", burn up is not a viable gimmick.

Moves
Protect 67.499%
Flare Blitz 64.564%
Extreme Speed 56.598%
Snarl 47.260%
Wild Charge 38.133%
Will-O-Wisp 28.823%
Flamethrower 28.109%
Close Combat 18.678%
Roar 15.990%
Helping Hand 12.729%
Burn Up 6.461%
Other 15.157%

http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-01/moveset/gen7vgc2017-1760.txt

If you want to use burn up you'll have to actually use it on an enemy, and I presume they can't be using protect (secondary effects don't happen in general when hitting into a protect, I assume the same follows for burn up), then not switch out unless you want to set up all over again, meaning you can't cycle intimidates. Also, any sort of """viable""" burn up set kind of defeats the general purpose of arcanine, which is to be bulky support with a good offensive presence.

Also, losing the fire typing isn't necessarily a good thing, as fire has 6 resistances.

>>31786789
Burn up a shit

>>31786789
>>31786915
Lmao the salt on these barafags

>>31784036
Uh? Why would the tapus need to compete with each other for a team slot?

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>>31784032
Offensive is the best one.

>>31783661
I'm fucking GLAD.

If anything deserves to be in high OU it's staples like Arcanine, Rapidash and Weezing - former shitmons getting time in the spotlight. Not cancer like Tapus.

What does /vp/ think of Typhlosion?

It gets most of Arcanine's moves (including Burn Up), and outspeeds Arcanine. Otherwise, its stats are actually pretty similar, with the exception of its HP.

It doesn't get priority or Intimidate, but priority is easily counterable (Tapu Lele teams for example), and Flash Fire means you'll be switching in on Arcanine when you think it's gonna go Flare Blitz.

Could work.

>>31787696
Give it a try. Prove everyone else wrong. Just because Smogon don't have a pre-existing set doesn't mean you shouldn't go out and do it.

>>31787703
I mean, a typeless Arcanine is OHKOd by basically everything Typhlosion can use (especially if Psychic Terrain is in play), and if it's not typeless, some Sun support does reasonably well:
>252 SpA Choice Specs Typhlosion Eruption (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Arcanine in Sun: 153-180 (92.1 - 108.4%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
>252+ Atk Arcanine Wild Charge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Typhlosion: 62-73 (40.5 - 47.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Burn Up is a fucking meme. Stop mentioning it, no decent player uses it, especially in VGC.

>>31787696
Typhlosion is not legal in VGC 2017 and Intimidate is the best ability in the game.

>>31787419
Their abilities are anti-synergistic because you can only have one terrain out at a time. Most of the tapus rely on having their terrain up to be good (fini is the exception), so bringing two means you usually need to leave one on the bench.

>>31787696
People don't run doggo just because he's fire with strong attacks. He's bulky, strong, has no relevant benchmarks so you can run him HOWEVER you want, intimidate is great for crippling two mons, if you use snarl you can also cripple specially focused mons, AND THEN he completes the FWG core alongside Fini and Kartana.

Mence does not hit hard enough this gen compared to 2014, and the pervasiveness of fairy types can make using Z-Draco Meteor a liability, and thus only good if mence's defensive coverage patches up your team. Otherwise Doggo or Kroc are better options due to being generally tanky, having similarly relevant speed tier, and just being generally good.

>>31786789
>no Morning Sun at all
I get that Arcanine already has 4MSS but is it really that unnecessary?

>>31787827
50% heal eating up your turn is not worth it. In most cases that kills your tempo and just leaves you open to getting crippled again (or letting the opponent switch). Easier to run protect and just not die, and if you want heals, forgo damage boosting for a sitrus or one of the yoloberries.

>>31786789
If you're running burn up, its as a pseudo 'z-move' that doesn't consume your Z-move use, and you're specially focused, as it does roughly double the damage Heat wave will do to a single target. Its interesting on an AV arcanine, at least.

>>31787827
Recovery isn't as strong in singles than in VGC outside of P2 or Gastrodon because of how dynamic and fast the whole format is
VGC is all about tempo or positioning, healing doesn't help most of the time
>>31784040
VGC has like 300 available pokemons and OU has almost the 800 of them, not comparable

>>31787696
Incredibly gimmicky

>>31787839
>ts interesting on an AV arcanine, at least.
I only see burn up on Firium Z arcanine

>>31787858
To be fair, you have to want to use specially oriented in the first place, which is a large loss since no blitz; then you have to want to run AV as well, which means your kartana can't run it, and that's honestly the better kartana build, so its not worth losing. Basically stuff like that is hurt by the 'no duplicate items' clause.

Though I haven't heard of firium-z arcanine, just Electrium-z arcanine for surprise fini kills via Z-Wild Charge.

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>>31787912
>Though I haven't heard of firium-z arcanine
??
that's the most common set

>>31787917
CB Arcanine master race

>>31787917
Ahh, I haven't been playing enough to see it, since I've been busy prepping. Band/Sitrus is what I hear more about.