>people still hating XY What the fuck is wrong with you? That

What's the RS and DP formula? Being mediocre, followed up by a good version of the game?

Yeah, I can see how it was good that XY only did the first step.

It would be nice if Pokémon experienced a catastrophical drop in popularity and sales. Maybe it would convince Game Freak to put an appropriate amount of effort, time and money into making the next game given the general context of the franchise.

>>31778185
>If GF followed the RS or DP formula, XY would've sold what, 8 million copies?
What are you trying to say?

>>31778211
This would only make them pander to genwunners even harder. Games would become even simpler and a lot more focused on the old shit.

>>31778207
>Yeah, I can see how it was good that XY only did the first step.
It is because it avoids franchise fatigue.

>>31778219
>introduce 100~ ugly pokemon
>no new system such as megas
>minimal graphics update
>very little mention and appearance of the original 150
>tedious gameplay with lots of grinding

>>31778256
>tedious gameplay with lots of grinding
I know for a fact from playing other games that there's a middle ground between needing to grind a lot and being totally overlevelled no matter what you do. Gamefreak doesn't, I guess.

>>31778185
stop faling for /vp/ baits newfag

It's the result of Game Freak's fear of losing relevance, after the surreal backlash G5 got, which was undoubtably the most experimental generation to date.
Going from a game like BW2 to XY was not a seemless transition, you can see so many cracks in the surface, and it disappointed so many people who thought BW2 stood as an example of huge amounts of content to come in future Pokemon games, only to be slapped cross the face with very little, handholding, automatic content that XY presented. Even moreso in the next games to come, ORAS.

Generation 6 was a disaster.

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>>31778185
>made competitive more accessible than ever
>finally jumped into 3D
These aren't positive things

>>31778185
>made competitive more accessible than ever
Smogon did that.

>>31778185
i'm obviously as biased as everyone else but here are my two cents.

the last game i played before playing moon was og black, and before it, fire red. given how i entirely skipped gen4 and gen6 on release, going into gen7 was a completely different experience from what i was used to.

after giving moon 270~ hours, i decided to pick Y to patch up my pokedex and give gen 6 a try and it was pretty much horrible. my number one complain is the shitty controls/camera, some of the HUDs and how packed the routes were. i have a million of tiny complains about it but i know there's nothing much that i can do to give it a fair review, so i also tried playing OR and the little i've played through felt a lot better than what Y felt.

i feel like gamefreak doesn't know for shit what they want, as you can see a lot of stuff they've retracted on, at least a lot of design decisions. was gen6 the worst gen ever? probably not, but in the way that i got exposed to it, many of its flaws become so evident it's very, very hard to ignore them all.

i took like 90 hours to pass the league in moon, catching and breeding crap in the meantime, leveling multiple pokemon to spice up my party. i'm about the complete the league at Y with around 29 hours because it's just so insufferable to do most things i just can't be bothered with.

also the npcs all suck dick, why is your rival such a fucking tryhard, why are all your "friends" such losers, even hau looks better at the end than these idiots.

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>>31778185
3D was exciting and all at first but I wish we still had sprites now. I miss the colors and the stances that made the pokemon look more alive. Now we will probably have the same lifeless idle animations into gen 8, where the graphics are still sub-par yet even more laggy than every other game on its system. I'm pretty sure there are phone games that look and run better.

>>31778524
But that's not a problem with 3D itself, it's a problem with gamefreak being incompetent.

>>31778426
Smogon doesn't codes the game to make it it's easier to breed, EV train and raise your pokemon to level 100.

>>31778185
>stop hating the game that has the most loose ends to any Pokémon or Nintendo project in recent history

Also find me one Nintendo 3ds game with shittier characters than your three "friends"

>>31778207
>RS
>Mediocre
Where did this meme come from? They're easily the best dual games of the first four generations. Just because Emerald is the pinnacle of the series doesn't make R/S mediocre.

>>31778550
smogon gives you everything you listed for free

>>31778542
I know, but it's not like gamefreak is ever going to improve.

>>31778185
XY aren't bad games, just very mediocre games. Obviously they have their highlights though.
>Best Pokemon game for customization
>Protagonists are practically adults
>Arguably the most unique cities

>>31778602
This is what Hoennbabbies actually believe.

>>31778550
>Smogon doesn't code the games to make it easier
You're right, Gamefreak does that.

>>31778613
Simulators are called simulators for a reason. Not the real thing.

>>31778630
He's right tho

>>31778580
>Also find me one Nintendo 3ds game with shittier characters than your three "friends"
This is how you know someone's baiting.

SM has characters that are much worse and literally force you to do their thing, removing you from your objective and sidetracking you into bullshit.

>dude come to this library for some forced exposition that doesn't explains anything

>>31778668
Yes, you can test any team you want without having to grind, breed, or anything.
You can easily teach new moves or change the EV of any pokemon.

>>31778688
This is what samefags actually believe.

>>31778692
>>dude come to this library for some forced exposition that doesn't explains anything
That literally happens repeatedly in XY and isn't even supposed to be a narrative game

>>31778692
>SM has characters that are much worse
Name one good XY character. All of them are literally worse versions of Hau who isnt even good

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>>31778719
How many times? 3?

Meanwhile, the whole campaign in SM is like this. You're Lillie's bitch and will do whatever she needs you to do, often filling the screen with unfun dialogue (when it isn't cringe. This is my Z-powered form XD)

>>31778739
Lillie is shit, but all together Tierno Trevor and Shauna easily surpass that awfulness

>>31778729
t h i s

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>competitive
>3D
>sales number

>>31778762
They don't overbear you with "plot".

Just copy pasting stuff from Bulbapedia to a word counter, Lillie from the beginning of the game to Heahea city has 1.7x more dialogue than Tierno in the whole game.

1400 words vs 2300 words. How retarded is that? I wish that the full script was updated already. I bet that all your friends in XY combined had less dialogue than Lillie alone.

But hey, keep that blind XY hating. But don't complain when gen 8's region is even smaller than Alola, but padded with "plot" from an annoying waifu.

>>31778821
>They don't overbear you

Are you fucking kidding me? No really?

>>31778821
>not wanting a qt 3.14 waifu
fagzilla

>>31778821
why would you want MORE tierno lines?
like, are you insane??????

>>31778821
Lillie was borderline too heavily applied, but the XY friends are too lite. The optimal would be somewhere between the two.

This is all your fault you fucking niggers, we topped at B2/W2 and we will never get a game better than that, and it is all YOUR FAULT

>>31778838
Lillie is so generic that I feel insulted that GF tried so hard to make me like her.

>>31778837
I ask you the same. Address the fact that Lillie on Melemele has more dialogue than Tierno in the whole game.

>>31778860
I didn't say that, but I'd rather have a goofy happy dude talking than Lillie. At least he amused me.

>>31778864
Yep. But, personally I think it would be better to have only Shauna and your neighbor. Friends are nice but there's no need for so many.

>>31778185
>revived
>Coming right after the two best games of the franchise.

>>31778207
>rs
>mediochre
Even the nostalgiafags who try to make an argument say its not mediochre.

>>31778729
Not defending xy, but emma.

>>31778821
SM had better writing.
XY is less annoying.

Both games are badly written and annoy the player who just wants to play Pokémon.

>>31778905
Tierno is a fucking worthless character that spends more time spinning than anything else. That's a fucking sign of a shitty fucking game

>>31778906
Emma is unironically one of my favorite Pokémon characters

I resent X and Y for sweeping her under the rug

>>31778906
>the two best games of the franchise
Only fans like us see it this way. A lot of Fairweather pokemon fans see them as shitty because they can't catch muh genwun mons. And then they didn't even bother with the great B2W2 because they had dropped the series after BW.

>>31778905
>I think it would be better to have only Shauna and your neighbor.
Honestly this would've probably have been better. Am I the only one who remembers the stat trainers from Platinum? Personally I think it'd be better to just have the likes of Tierno and Trevor be turned into sort of secondary trainer NPCs who travel the region autonomous of you.

>>31778939
>nostalgiafags
>fans
There's your mistake.

>>31778950
It's funny that they all feel like more memorable characters than your friends

>>31778905
>I didn't say that, but I'd rather have a goofy happy dude talking than Lillie. At least he amused me.


i'm sorry but you have terminal shit taste, tierno is absolutely insufferable for most people out there.

>>31779002
Lillie would be the most hated character ever if they were a fat white dude.

>>31779015
well, yeah, but she isn't so...

honestly, every one of my friends that played through sm, liked lillie, i don't know how history will remember her but to me and some people out there, she saved the game. call me a waifufag if you want but sadly that's the final conclusion for lots of people.

>>31779015
This. She's pretty much anything /vp/ hates. Though that didnt help zinnia.

>>31779039
I think she was just sort of mediocre. Not terrible, not incredible.

>>31779050
Zinnia was abysmally executed and written which is why she is disliked.

>>31779062

>Zinnia was abysmally executed and written
Not really, eveb then

>which is why she is disliked.
If she were so bad the pokemon fanbase would worship her, are you new?

>>31779050
I like to think whenever they have something shitty they throw a waifu on top of it to fix in recent years

See
>Shauna
>Flare Admins
>Battle chantalines
>Zinnia
>Lillie
>Lusamine not getting arrested

>>31779073
Her plotline requires a massive degree of stretching and knowledge as of yet unafforded to you to properly understand. Her motivations are vague, never fully explained, and she has no relevance in the main plot despite a cameo, which makes her seem forced because reasons.

People like Zinnia because she has a good battle theme and is waifubait, and they're willing to overlook the flaws in her character over this due to a tendency toward disregarding pokemon's plot side entirely. Most characters in Pokemon aren't exceptional but most are nowhere near as poorly designed as Zinnia is.

>>31778602
Basically since Hoenn became a meme kids think that it was bad.

>>31779074
but flare admins were shit

>>31779074
>>Flare Admins
>Admins
Those Scientists were such wasted potential. Xerosic should've shown up in the main plot too.

>>31779138
>Her plotline requires a massive degree of stretching and knowledge as of yet unafforded to you to properly understand.
Or, you know, paying attention.

>Her motivations are vague, never fully explained
To save hoenn anon, are you stupid?
>and she has no relevance in the main plot despite a cameo, which makes her seem forced because reasons
Because reasons is not a proper explanation.


>People like Zinnia
>being this delusional
She's by far one of the most hated game characters.

>>31779138
See, I know the Alolasomes are going around saying "I didn't rush it" and what not but ORAS is literally a case of you're going to miss important lore if you don't explore because her reluctance to work with Steven and the scientists is literally explained in the game.

>>31778185
Yiu can't revive something that was never dead.

Also
>Game quality = sales
No, marketing = sales. RS and DP only had like 1% of the marketing that XY and especially SM had.

>>31779162
But he was in the main plot.

>>31779166
>She's by far one of the most hated game characters
The guy I replied to initially was the one not making this argument.

>>31778256
>>no new system such as megas
>abilities, natures, limited EVs, Physical/special split
>no new system

>>31779196
Was he? Honestly it's been years since I actually played through XY, I guess I just forgot because of how irrelevant it was.

>>31779209
The truth is, nobody cared about those.

You didn't see "Battle using different numbers!" in the box for a reason.

>>31779206
If you mean >>31779050, that was my post and I said she was hated.

>>31779218
He's in the scene where you press the button to make the Ultimate Weapon appear.

>>31778256
>very little mention and appearance of the original 150
>A game with this will never happen thanks to XY, Nu-Freak And retarded genwwuners and Kids who think Pikachu is his favorite

>>31779238
He tricks you making both buttons activate it

>>31779159
Yes, they were attempting to covering their mistake up

>>31779224
>nobody cared about Abilities
Stop Spewing Bullshit

>>31779248
No you can get it right, but he presses it anyways

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>>31779257
It wasn't even advertised.

>>31779248
>>31779264
I know. I actually saved before to see both dialogues.
Fuck, why won't the game let me side with Lysandre.

>>31778426
smogon isn't popular at all nigga
seriously out of every people who plays pokemon seriously, not even 10% play by smogon's rules, probably less

>>31779276
>only compatible with ruby and sapphire versions
>easily compatible with XD, FRLG, and Emerald

Why do they lie?

>>31779294
I wish GF introduced some of the smarter smogon rules into their games like the sleep clause and the ohko clause.
Allowing you to ban special mons was a step in the right direction.

>>31779276
And?
How does that change how many people cared for them back then to now?

>>31779315
>sleep clause
the dark void ban and then nerf in gen 6 fixed the issue with sleep, sleep clause isn't an interesting solution
>>31779315
>OHKO clause
not even relevant, nobody uses OHKO moves regardless
not a single smogon clause or rule is interesting
in theory, the tier system is good because it gives the ability to use weaker mons, but everybody plays OU anyway where only the big legendaries are banned like in regular battle spots, making the whole point of tiers pointless

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I liked how they simplified breeding and training for competitive mons.
Lack of a postgame really hurt the games, and I only really appreciated them more after the fucking abortion that was ORAS.

I think Sun and Moon are steps in the right direction though, although we need a game with more post-game content than just a fucking battle tower.

>>31779347
This. It's not perfect, but a step in the right (albeit slightly different) direction than gen 6's downhill

>>31779340
what gen 6 nerf? it feels just as annoying and inconsistent as any other gen

>>31779347
>I think Sun and Moon are steps in the right direction though
By giving us less overall content for gimmicks.
How is that a step in the right direction?

>>31779371
Spore/Sleep powder doesn't affect grass type is my guess

Also 2 Terrains stop sleep

>>31779375
but now you can team up with billy the farmer to fight some kanto nobodies in the battle tree!!!

>>31779340
Dark Void was nerfed in 7, not 6.
It was still 80 last gen.

>>31779371
mistake, I meant gen 7, but yeah dark void smeargle was bullshit in gen 6
>>31779347
how is sun / moon a step in the right direction, legitimately asking, because the only improvements were the art direction, but everything else is worse than XY
>main game manages to be weaker and less interesting than XY
>less postgame
>menus are even laggier
>UI is worse when the gen 6 one was perfect
>battles are laggier and triple and rotation battles were removed
>PSS was removed for the dogshit that is festival plaza

>>31779359
Step in the right direction, but also taking two steps back. Getting rid off things like PSS and DexNav (I know it was Hoenn exclusive but it was just based) because "much new gen" is fucking stupid.

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>>31779375
>X&Y
>more content than Sun and Moon

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>>31778185
>That game revived the series
>revived
Nigger are you saying that x & y are superior to b2 & w2

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>>31779409
>XY superior to any gen

>>31779408
Just to put things in perspective, there's more to do in the maison than there is in the Battle Tree.

>>31779409
XY sold well, that's what it means
it was a shit game but it was popular
SM is selling like crazy and it's the worst game in the series

So Pokemon Z/XY2 was scrapped, right?

>>31779426
It's superior to SM

>>31779409
It got it back into mainstream? That's something

>mfw XY pulled me back into the series
>mfw I realize how shitty those games are and how I missed out on the golden age of games

It hurts

>>31779394
It had more of a postgame than XY, and Sun and Moon have a better UI.
The thing I'll give you is the lack of PSS.

>>31779313
Because those weren't out at that time you fucking retard

>>31779436
Even Game Freak knew that XY is just rushed unfinished thing. Even Z or X2Y2 would not fix it.
>>31779441
(You)

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>>31779394
>>main game manages to be weaker and less interesting than XY

You should become a comedian.

>>31779436
>Zygarde cucked two generation in a row
>Both XY and SunMoon were both shit and need a fuck ton of polish
Who else hoping for a XYSunMoon double sequel. I know its completely retarded and never happening but Zygarde really deserves better.

>>31779446
XY was so bad it pulled me out of the series, but I was coming from Platinum and Black 2 so I guess its normal

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>>31779428
You know what, you're right about that.

>>31779454
>It had more of a postgame than XY
looker quest and ultra beast quest are pretty much the same thing and they're both garbage
battle tree is a gimped battle mansion
do the math
>Sun and Moon have a better UI.
the ui literally had no bottom screen 90% of the time, on a fucking dual screen console, so much wasted space
>>31779472
They're both shit, but at least XY's region isn't empty and bland

>>31779454
>It had more of a postgame than XY, and Sun and Moon have a better UI.
It had just about the same amount of postgame but lower content in general mostly due to it removing triples and rotations as well as the slim selection of Pokemon in comparison.

Content aside SM also killed replayability completely because of the excessive cutscenes and railroading.

>>31779454
>and Sun and Moon have a better UI.
The overworld UI was a joke in SM, this isn't something you can contest. The menus were the same as XY and the touchscreen was just a map.
In what is possibly the most simple region yet.

The battle UI is nothing spectacular and it wastes a hell of a lot of space in the middle of the screen.

>>31779325
he's just saying that it wasn't advertised at all, all the mechanic changes were just quality of life improvements, not "totally new and special systems and ways to play your game!!!" like z-moves and mega evolutions.

>>31779614
That doesn't answer the question nor does it do anything for his point.

>>31779375
no post game really sucks, but the rest of the main game has better quality and feels more cohesive than XY at least. if they can keep the good things of SM and add a real post game or just more freedom to explore, it would be the best game of the series.

but alas, it won't happen because gamefreak doesnt know what they want nor care about what people want.

>>31779658
>the good things of SM
such as ?

>>31779394
>UI is worse
i give you the laggier, but the UI is waaaay better. gen 6 boxes are fucking stupid when gen 7 box just does everything without needing extra clicks and scrolling to get to it.

i like the map on the bottom a lot better than the pss/amie/training windows but that is just me probably.

>>31779185
Marketing can go a long way. Just look at Fire Emblem Awakening.

>>31778256
>>introduce 100~ ugly pokemon
>Ludicolo
>Rayquaza
>Groudon
>Kyogre
>Solrock
>Lunatone
>Blaziken
>Sceptile
>Swampert
>Deoxys
>Metagross
>Salamence
>Ugly

Bitch please, R/S/E had the right amount of quantity and quality of Pokemon. Not surprising since the Pokemon hype was wearing off/coming to its end and R/S were a reboot. They had to make a good first impression.

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>>31778185
XY were trash and deserve all the hate thrown their way. SM are on the right track in terms of story and character, but desu i hate z moves. Its feels weird being 22 and playing a game where one of the strongest moves is named "Pulverizing Pancake". Z moves gotta go next gen, except for my nigga porygon-z, he can keep his

>>31779505
Damn, never did I think they could make a worse region than Kanto but Alola might just be that.

>>31779693
Improved move animations I guess.

>>31779276
>Basic reading ability is needed to fully enjoy this game.
Well that can explain why I thought it was bad.

>>31779797
Once I got used to Z-Moves I thought they were great.
They're out of place in the story, but in competitive its nice having a supermove.

>>31779797
>SM are on the right track in terms of story and character
Unfortunately that's the aspect of Pokemon that matters the least and it's becoming more and more intrusive at the cost of exploration and gameplay.

>>31779913
then just play on showdown you dipshit

>>31779929
Yes because I can totally exploration and a sense of adventure on Showdown.

>>31779797
>SM are on the right track in terms of story and character
Fuck off

>>31779929
Nigga what.
They're making less pokemon with each gen dude and SM has the least amount of mon available comparative to the dex. Then there's fucking nothing else to see or do of the railroad you're on.

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>>31778185
The jump to 3D was a mistake

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>>31780090

>>31780090
>>31780110
>muh indieshit pixel grafix
>setting standards this low for a multibillion dollar franchise

>>31780143
>>setting standards this low for a multibillion dollar franchise
A multibillion dollar franchise that's being beaten by games made 20 years ago which is has recently had a huge downgrade in gameplay.

>>31780020
the bad taste kid.
>>31780189
such as?

>>31780210
>such as?
Just about every RPG predating Pokemon from Breath of Fire to Ys.

>>31778256
>100 ugly pokemon
subjective
>No new system
what are abilities?
>minimal graphics update
caring about graphics in a turn based rpg
>very little mention and appearance of the original 150
at least they arent shoved in your face the whole game
>tedious gameplay with lots of grinding
I have never had to grind playing a pokemon game unless Im trying to catch a recently hatched egg up or Im underleveled which only happens due to me skipping unnecessary trainer battles

>>31779981
It's not worse than Kalos and Alola though.

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>>31778185
I would rather play a good game that sells poorly than a bad game that sells well.

>>31780484
Too bad gamefreak prefers the latter

>>31780496
It really is. The only way to fix it is for people to buy more things that are good and less things that are bad, but you can't fix the public having shit taste, sadly, so it probably won't happen.

>>31778256
>subjective
>each gen introduced at least one new revolutionary feature
>GS to RS was a HUGE graphical jump. RS to DP was less of a jump, but was the beginning of 3D
>true to an extent, but not necessarily bad
>like pokemon should be

>>31779375
>>31779347
>that fucking thread where they ripped apart all the cut content in the game

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>>31778256
>no new system such as megas
Gen 3 introduced Double Battles and that generation had a larger focus on Double Battles than any to follow. It even had two spinoffs that exclusively used double battles.

>>31779257
>tripfagging as a character from unpopular spin-off
what are you trying to say anon

>>31780110
Sauce?

>>31778185
Board is 99% Sinnohfoeti who are terrified of change

Give it a few years and they'll leave

>>31780143
It isnt indieshit, it just looks nice

Gamefreak is terrible at 3D
If they made nice 3D, like FF, then I'd be happy

But now knowing that Gamefreak is incapable of good 3D Id have preferred they stuck to what they knew, which was pixels, and improved upon that.

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>>31780143
This is pixelshit. Those gifs were pixel art.

>>31780827
???

>>31779789
>Play-doh dragon that completley ruined the line
>Not ugly

>>31780820
I still have no idea why Triple Battles are so disliked in Gen 5-6 in the game. Not even more than about 3 of them total and this was the only reason I even went on Battle Spot.

>>31780143
>>setting standards this low for a multibillion dollar franchise

Might as well set your standards low with how Game Freak does things.

>2016
>Still one save file

>>31780847
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>>31779247
>>31779257
>>31780884
>>31780893

>>31778185
It was easy and didn't have the most amount of postgame content. Oh, and annoying friends. Those are the only things XY lacks compared to other games. It's something, but no where near enough for them to be called the worst games in the series. They're still leagues above RS, FRLG, DP and HGSS.

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>>31781017
>there are people who still don't know the difference between trips and names

>>31781017
I DON'T HAVE A TRIPCODE

Can't we just agree that every gen is good.

>>31781082
Every Gen is good except Gen 6. Gen 7 has a bad start but later games in the Gen might save it as long as they don't cut it off early like they did Gen 6.

>>31781082
You might as well stop calling yourself a fan at that point you shiteater.

>>31781040
I don't have any copypasta images about namefags.

>>31781082
Every gen but gen 1 and gen 7

Id argue that gen 6 is better than gen 7 solely because the majority of the designs are really nice, what few there are, and because its a gen that made a difficult jump - so it understandably is short.

However Gen 6 had so much potential and they could have done so much more with everything they put into it, it feels like a middle finger to the face rather than just some fuck ups.

>>31778256
>very little mention and appearance of the original 150
SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

>>31778185
>finally jumped into 3D

You're acting like that's a good thing

>>31780953
Casuals seem to hate anything that isn't single battles, for whatever reason. You can even see it on this board, if you suggest a game should have more double/triple/rotation battles at least one person will REEEEEEEEEEE at you. They probably picked up on that before finishing Gen 5 so they downplayed it. And then because casuals had like no exposure to the formats in Gen 5 and 6, they probably thought it was an acceptable loss to remove it in Gen 7.

>>31781082
Gen 6 is too shitty for that

XY is easily the worst games in the franchise and ORAS was somehow worse than fucking emerald
BUT WHO CARES Z VERSION WILL SAVE THIS ENTIRE GEN OH WAIT WE'RE GEN 7 NOW OOPS

>>31781474
>XY is easily the worst games in the franchise
That's not SM.

>>31781482
Fuck off

The 3DS games are all fucking bottom of the barrel tier, but I'd still rank SM first. I, mean, we're talking about XY here. Just tell me how the fuck is XY better than SM.

>>31781525
>Just tell me how the fuck is XY better than SM.
Well for starters
>Super Training
>Amie minigames
>PSS
>O-Powers
>Triples and Rotations
>basic pokemon dungeson design and not straight lines
>Hordes instead of SOS battles
>Friend Safari

>>31781525
Kalos has better level design than Alola, has better new Pokémon and while both stories are gag-inducing at least the narrative in the former isn't nearly as prominent.

XY also doesn't have terribly shitty features like Poké Finder and Festival Plaza.

>>31781474
>XY is easily the worst games in the franchise
Impossible, DP, Pt and HGSS exist.

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>>31781605

>>31781602
>like Poké Finder
I really wish that it worked the way it did in the demo

>>31781605
Nice bait, here's a reply

>>31781573
You know, for some reason I actually liked SM more, but I can't refute any of that. I'm getting really tired of Gamefreak removing features because "unique".

>>31778185
I don't though?
XYORAS had truly awful singleplayer campaigns (although I enjoyed them the same as any pokemon game) but I utilized the online features quite a bit. The biggest afterstory complaint I have is that the dex is too fucking big to get the useful item reward of completing it. I would have liked it if the charms were for the regional and the national gave some sort of certificate. I didn't like the lack of national dex in SM but far more did I appreciate a reasonably completable dex, especially before the bank cancer hit the GTS.

>>31781573
>>31781602
You know whats weird. Even though you're completely right, I found myself still enjoying Sun/Moon at the end of the day. Moreso than I remember enjoying XY. The story could have definitely used some toning down but I really do like the good majority of characters and direction of the plot, kept things from being completely unenjoyable dogshit, especially Team Skull.

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>>31778256

>Subjective opinion, and a pretty shitty one at that. Plenty of awesome gen 3 Pokemon designs.
>The fuck? Double battles? Abilities? Nice cherrypick. If GF adds a facet such as Megas/Z-Moves every generation the battles will get bloated with bullshit so fast.
>Lmaoing at your life. Minimal graphical improvement from gen 2 to 3? Are you retarded?
>Since when is not gen 1 pandering a fucking bad thing? It's called being confident enough in your new generation for it to stand on it's own without milking nostalgia faggots. Players like you are the reason you run into Kanto shit in every route in Sun/Moon.
>Needing to grind excessively in a game designed to be beaten by 10 year olds. Have you considered mobile gaming perhaps? Farmville sounds more appropriate for your ability.

Haven't seen such a shit opinion in some time on /vp/, and this is fucking /vp/.

>>31781482
Nor RS. Or DP. Or RG.

>>31786488
None of those games are XY, but I'm not sure why you thought it was important to say that.

XY or ORAS? I skipped 6th gen and would like to try

>>31786562
ORAS

>>31786562
XY. Neither are worth $40, but XY is at least original regarding its region, plot, etc.

Other than Dexnav being an admittedly great feature, ORAS is just a worse Emerald. If you're not big on Hoenn ORAS won't convince you to like it any more, and if you are a big Hoenn fan who loves Emerald then ORAS will actively piss you off.

>>31786562
ORAS
XY have some nice QoL changes, but the game is meh at best.

>>31786615
XY had a fucking garbage region. It starts off pretty awesome but my God the slog from gym 2 to looping back around into Lumiose is horrible, and the pokeride system and snowy routes were terrible too. The region is extremely lackluster and I had more fun going back to Hoenn.

Plus ORAS just has more content.

>>31778185
I really enjoyed XY personally, gonna be running through it again soon. People just have different opinions.

>>31786544
Sorry but memes won't deny the fact that XY is on the upper half of this franchise, losing only to third versions and remakes.

>>31786651
Nah.

>>31786636
Never said XY wasn't garbage, but I do think it's better than ORAS in terms of bang-for-your-buck. If you're going to experience Gen 6, get the Gen 6 game that was original, rather than the Gen 6 game that's a worse version of a Gen 3 game, even if they're both some of the weakest in the franchise.

>>31781468
I'm still pissed they didn't do more with Inverse Battles.

>people still hating XY

lol, that's not going away any time soon. worst gen.

>>31779276
I remember being so excited for R/S because it was the first Pokemon game I actually read about and followed on the net. I'm sure there's still some ancient Japanese site with a torn parchment background showing a Sharpedo and the fact that the puddles rippled when you moved and showed your reflections. God damn R/S box art makes me nostalgia harder than Gen 1's Donkeyzard back sprite.

>>31786562
XY. You can always play Emerald.
I also found ORAS more boring than XY, but it might be due to the fact that I already know Hoenn.

>>31781468
There's also the fact that they killed framerate hard, same reason we probably lost horde battles as well. we might see them back with stars/gen8 if they can deal with the processor strength issues.

>>31779658
could of had an epic quest with zygarde during the post game, but nope instead we got a cell fetch quest with no real conclusion or importance

and literally not be able to keep the last reward for collecting all the cells is just sad

I want my XY back.

>>31783834
I can elucidate on that for you.

>Super Training
While nice, super training was still a hassle to an extent, and unless you're going for specific spreads, SM introduced a superior mechanism in SOS's doubling ability alongside increasing the potency of Power items.

>Amie Minigames
While nice, it was just kinda there. Its the dream world style games in the main game and it probably didn't have too lasting of an impact on you unless you were heavily invested in amie overall.

>PSS
This was a major quality loss, but a vast majority of the time, unless you're doing a lot of P2P battling, the loss is not very noticeable.

>O-Powers
Another nice, yet ultimately minute quality of life element. while some were incredibly useful (like the egg hatching one and exp boosting one), they really didn't do much unless you were really dedicated.

>Triples and Rotations
Triples and Rotations in XY were very laggy, the format didn't get enough support, and unfortunately they tended to be far too quick overall compared to doubles. Without a strong base there you also didn't have as much development of discussion over it.

>Basic pokemon dungeon design and not straight lines
SM just kinda lacks dungeons overall, and there is some that is present and partially sufficient. It definitely is lacking though, but you may not have cared as much depending on how you felt XY handled dungeons themselves.

>Hordes vs SOS
Hordes and SOS are different beasts and are annoyances in their own ways each. Hordes were honestly kinda bad in how they limited availability of HAs and caused you to rely on the honestly subpar (but still a decent idea) Friend Safaris.

>Friend Safari
Also a nice thing, but unless you really needed it, general tedium involved with it (especially in finding the correct safaris) made it a pain given it was pretty much only there for HAs. Similar issue to Island Scan being there only for certain mons.

Then you have streamlining and other minor benefits SM bring.

>>31778185
Every game "revives" the series, fuck off, xy was complete shit

>>31783834
>>31788297
(cont)
Basically, every one of these lost features was a minute loss, that in turn were replaced with minute gains that improved systems to an extent:

>Better Berry Farming
>Pelago arguably being better for general utility
>More streamlined PC
>More improvements to aesthetics/utility of breeding
>Hyper Training and how it improves HP hunting and general legendary hunting
>SOS being a vastly improved variant chaining mechanisms and improving the shiny hunt in general as well as allowing wider access to HAs

Effectively, SM loses a lot of small things that XY had going for it, but replaces it with other good stuff. It also arguably uses integration of story and aesthetics better, and even if there is more 'railroading and handholding', you may have felt more overall invested with SM's handling of pokemon game overall to find those content losses alright enough. ESPECIALLY given the fixes to EXP share, improved difficulty, and actually balancing level progression much better than XY did (wherein you either invalidate the game or run into major difficulty by just how big of a disparity there is between EXP on and off, also pokemon choices). That, or you were majorly disillusioned by how hard XY crammed old stuff at you via "Second Starter" "HAVE A LUCARIO AND MEGA STONE, YOU HAVE TO USE IT AT LEAST HERE", and other minor elements like that compared to how SM handled its pressing of nostalgia.

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ITT: people arguing over good/bad writing and characters in POKÉMON games

They have always been mediocre. Game Freak can't write proper stories nor characters.

>>31778185
>People still care about pokemon after Gen "no national dex" 7

You guys really like taking cocks in the ass

>>31778185
>made competitive more accessible than ever
yeah, true but it's also the gen that made it shitty. (BW also made it quite bad, but not to unredeemable levels of XY and ORAS)

>>31779479
It really deserves better, especially in terms of story and actually utilize its lore to the fullest. Imagine it fighting the UBs since they threaten the very ecosystem it protects, since they are alien and not native to the ecosystem they arrived to.

Would be amazing if Zygarde was possible to change all of its forms at will and let it retain Aura Break to give it a fighting chance vs Xerneas.

>>31788618
Doubles in XY was god tier.

>>31788513
Which is why appreciate XY's minimalistic approach.

I really enjoyed nuzlocking X over and over again, muh diversity was lots a fun

>>31788634
>minimalistic approach

X and Y have the second longest speedruns secon only to SM and takes longer to do that BW's narrative

>>31778185
angery grimsley is angery

>>31788513
Not entirely true. Silver and Emma are good characters.

But eh, after the trainwreck that was SM I wouldn't expect GF to ever make characters as good as them again.

>>31788671
Speed runs are a bad parameter. Loading times (longer from XY and beyond), dialogue time (which are longer in XY and SM due to all the character's animations) and possible glitches (ie Nidoking and pomeg glitch) all play a role in how long the run is.

>>31788700
There's different tiers for speed runs such as the glitchless runs.

But when BW's story and interruptions take less than "XY's minimalistic" approach when also being infamous having nothing to do that's shit

Also XY's pacing is so retarded that you can beat gyms both 3-4 and 5-6 each within ten minutes with only straight lines of Team flare in the way. It's not a good game

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>>31780237
Agree completely with the subjectivity of the new pokemon. I have found new favorites among those introduced in this gen.