SUMO UU Stage 1 - Feels Like We Only Go Backwards

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>>31733925
In other news, Primarina is now suspect worthy. (suck it primafags)

>>31733934
Wouldn't Primarinafags be happy that it's the best starter in gen 7?

>>31733934
I will be happy when the trannyseal is banished to BL hell and never be used competitively for the rest of its disgusting existence.

>>31733934
Thank fucking god. I'd hate not being able to dominate UU with Primarina the god. I don't want another Staraptor.

>>31733943
Being BL is objectively worse than being UU

>SUMO

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>>31733943
Not when in OU you're as viable as Decidueye.

>>31733974
Yeah but it won't get banned. The fact that they suspected it only proves that it's good

>>31733934
Why is Primarina being suspected? Are UU mons really that fucking bad that they cant handle it?

>>31733989
That's kinda wrong, let's be real. Primarina is better than most of those 'mons. It should be around C-C+, it even got a bit of usage in SPL. I'm not saying this as a Primarinafag, it doesn't affect me at all, it's just really obvious that, while it is mainly a UU Pokémon, it's better than most (if not all) of those

>>31734015
t. delusional idiot.

Only low elo idiots think that Primarina is anything but C- or below.

>>31733989
From what I've seen a lot of people want Primarina to move up but the council wants to focus the discussion on higher ranks for now

>>31733943
No, I wouldn't be happy at all since it would mean that I would be forced to play OU if I ever wanted to to use Primarina.

I've already accepted it sadly, since not only is Primarina a vastly improved version of Sylveon with a superior typing and offensive movepool, she also has hardly any counters in UU, she has the ability to switch into pretty much the entire UU tier, and now due to all the bans, nearly all of her checks are gone.

Her getting suspected is inevitable.

>>31734025
XD

>>31734030
Yeah, the first proposal of making her C+ has like 20 upvotes. But it makes sense to think about more powerful Pokémon for now.

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>>31734010
What do you think anon?

>>31734015
>>31734025
A bunch of people actually wanted the seal to be C+ (see >>31734058). The rankings have been updated twice after it's still hanging there, so...yeah.

>>31734078
>The rankings have been updated twice after it's still hanging there, so...yeah.
That shows that the actual high ELO players disagree.

>>31734096
No. Not really. It just shows that there's more important stuff to discuss.

>>31734096
How high are we talking about?

>>31734096
Maybe's because a lot of people think that Primarina and Tapu Fini do the exact same thing?

>>31734078
Staraptor weeps

>>31734078
2bh honest the BL hell meme only applies to Staraptor and Diggersby.

>>31734242
Diggersby is like Azumarill but with Swords Dance and Agility. It was rightfully banned. Not a meme.
The correct answer would be Staraptor and Drizzle, since the first is the real meme and Drizzle is the second meme that only got banned because Kingdra dropped.

>>31733925
>SUMO
>kyourself

>>31734115
>>31734030

Considering they added Bronzong, Quagsire and Jellicent to C+/C the other day, I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

>>31734298
Diggersby is like Azumarill without a good typing or a move that can maximize its attack in a single turn.

>>31733925
>Azumarill, Drizzle and Thundurus-I are being sent to BL.
This is fine

>>31734486
We'll see friend. I'm pretty sure that's the case.

>>31734487
>good typing
Maybe not defensively, but it's much superior offensively.
And who cares about Belly Drum.

>>31734036
>Not only is Primarina a vastly improved version of Sylveon with a superior typing and offensive movepool, she also has hardly any counters in UU (...) and now due to all the bans, nearly all of her checks are gone.

Dafuq? Does that mean that Blissey and co. can't even wall it? Because I'm pretty sure they still can.

>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 223-264 (31.2 - 36.9%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery

>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Amoonguss: 120-142 (27.8 - 32.9%) -- 88.3% chance to 4HKO after Black Sludge recovery

>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Cresselia: 174-205 (39.1 - 46.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery

>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 223-264 (56.5 - 67%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Welp. At least Blissey and Amoongus can still wall it, right?

>>31734625
Can Azumarril even Belly Drum in OU these days?

>>31734643
>Amoonguss
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Psychic vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Amoonguss: 264-312 (61.2 - 72.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
If they predict you're fucked.

>>31734643
Don't take it literally when people say "nothing can switch into Primarina", of course Blissey can.
It's just that Primarina can easily take KOs on every game and after you eliminate her checks it's one of the biggest threats in the tier. Also Psychic and Ice Beam fuck Amoonguss hard. as >>31734675 said, if they predict right you're fuck'd

>>31733925
>SUMO
kill yourself you useless cumstain

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>>31734036
>I've already accepted that Primarina will be banned.
>Literally ONE (1) person voted to ban it

>>31734733
Azumarill looked like it wasn't going to be banned too at the very beginning, it's definitely a possibility. I wouldn't say Primarina deserves to be banned though, I think she'll stay.

>>31733925
I hope Victini fails the test desu. When he was still legal pretty much any bulky water or bulky steel was moot.

>>31734748
>banned too at the very beginning
Because shit like thundurus and victini were able to decimate bulky waters like azumarill and primarina. I think prima will stay in UU, but I can see why it was being considered for suspect.

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>>31733925
>What was once the second healthiest genie (including their forms) is now stuck in BL hell

>>31734765
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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>>31734775
>What was once the second healthiest genie (including their forms) is now stuck in BL hell
Are you implying this is a bad thing?

>>31733925
What's with Azu recently? I remember the last vote was pretty much unanimously don't ban.
And nigga what the fuck is Clef doing in this tier? I go to uu to get away from shit like clef I dont want to see this thing in uu.

>>31734798
As >>31734765 said, his main counters were banned so it only makes sense

>>31733925
RIP Politoed

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No clefable?

>>31734775
>>31734792
Probably pointing out powercreep bullshit

>>31733925
Primarina is actually quite scary now that everything that was good against it was banned

>>31735244
It always was though. It's just even better now.

>>31735244
I usually run trick specs rotom-H and it does a decent job on countering seal, unless I misspredict and/or they're running an AV set

I could see Primarina both staying and being booted desu, though I lean towards her staying, unless she becomes really dominant. Move tutors in the next game will most likely decide her fate in the tier.

>>31734643
>Welp. At least Blissey and Amoongus can still wall it, right?

lol Amoongus, I would heavily advise against using him as a Primarina switch in, semi-competent players will embarrass you by reading that switch in from a mile away and throw out a Ice Beam or Psychic to wreck him.

Trust me on this one lads, I've experienced this embarrassment first hand. The same applies for Roserade btw, those two are terrible switch ins.

>>31736131
What could make Primarina good in OU? I can't think of anything aside from Boomburst, since i'd rather use her with Specs even if she gets Calm Mind and Moonlight... I think.

>>31734775
I miss gen 5