UU viability rankings released

First for Decidueye being better than Dhelmise.

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>>31699118

REMOVE GENIE

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>Dhelmise rank
Where are you now, anchorfags

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>>31699157

>Tsareena is better than Dhelmise

I say go primarina

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>A Rank
nice. Also anchorfags BTFO

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>Swellow in B- in UU
Holy shit finally my aerial bro is getting some love

I though anon had edited in that dhelmise rank. But no, that is legit what is on smogon.

>>31699118
>Scizor
>Thundurus
>Keldeo
>Azumarill
>Bisharp
Was the powercreep that bad?

Yooo Incineroar's OU? Based

>>31699203
Good one, chancellor

>>31699203
A-anon...

>>31699203
Have a pity (You)

>>31699203
>people will bait this

>>31699201
As for any fairy that dropped, it's just that more faries exist now.

>>31699118
I fully expect the entirety of S rank to get b&.

>>31699181
> Weaker
> Strongest STAB move is 70 BP
I don't understand.

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>Zygarde's out of BL hell
>all forms are comfortably in tiers now

>>31699201
Literally all of those dropped because "lol no priority" because of Lele, except Keldeo.

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>>31699118
>tfw Primarinafag but also an anchorfag

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>>31699280
>tfw Owlfag and Anchorfag
Feels weird.

>>31699274

Tsareena has priority immunity and U-turn

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>A fucking - in UU
The transition to the new gen was not kind on my sis here

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>Golisopod is ranked
>it's in C-
Eh, i'll take it.

Genie in UU, uggghhghhhhhgghhhghhghhghggggggggghhhhhhhghghghhhhhhhhhhhhggggggggghghghghhhhhhhhhghghghggggggggghhghgghggggggggg

I hear Primarina is good mainly because it walls Keldeo

>>31699274
Tsareena isn't an amazing mon, but still gets rapid spin(like Dhelmise), has some form of recovery(synthesis), slightly outspeeds more mons, stops priority, and isn't weak to common dark-type moves like knock-off.

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>>31699316
>gengar lower than starmie

>>31699330
It's also good because pretty much nothing can switch into it

>>31699299
first of all you disgusting furry, A- in UU is still really good, second of all get out and don't come back

>>31699118
GENIES? IN MY UU?

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>my bro fell from king of UU to A-

fug

>>31699118
>Araquanid, Galvantula, and Golisopod are all C-
W-well, at least there's Scizor...

>>31699359
>A- in UU is still really good
not if you were good in OU the gen prior
also heck off, I don't want to fuck gliscor, it's a godamn bat scorpion monster

>>31699118
>Clefable is in UU
Excuse what the fuck? What is that blob doing outside of OU?

>>31699274
Like Dhelmise, Decidueye and Tsareena can Tank and clear hazards.
Unlike Dhelmise, they can also pivot, heal, and perform other utilitarian roles. Dhelmise just doesn't do much for its team compared to them.

>>31699392

Thunder Wave nerf hit it hard

>>31699365
>>31699185

>>31699118
>18/
S-A-B rank are 30% Water types.

So whys Dhelmise in its own rank? Is it bad? Or just not good enough to contend with the rest but too good for RU? Trapping seems fun. Should have gotten Leech Seed.

>>31699422
>18/
18/60

>>31699422
UU has always been the tier of Bulky Waters

>>31699430
It's kind of becoming more well-known in Smogon forums that Dhelmise is bad.

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>>31699118
>Staraptor gets quickbanned to BL
>but Azumarill gets to stay
Defend this bullshit

>>31699430
It's bad in UU, but used too much to go to RU. It's basically the tier leaders' way of saying "stop using this thing let it go down to a lower tier".

>>31699118
I don't play UU
Explain the Dhelmise meme to me

Also why is Golisopod so low, it seems like its move set would actually be useful without Lele fucking up its priority

reminds me of xy ou

I unironically want my bro to drop back to UU, it's too weak for gen 7 OU, but it's been doomed to BL ;_;

>>31699453
Why can't they just put it in C- then?

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I believe Tyranitar and Skarmory are now only mons to have ever stayed in OU ever since their debut in Generation II

>>31699491
Who's your bro?

>>31699483
Dhelmise is fine (at least C material) but one of the mods was constanly bitching about how bad it is and since he has credibility everyone agreed. Golisopod is just mediocre

>>31699496

Because that's what D Rank is for: Pokemon that are terrible in their tier, but are still there by usage

>>31699491
let me guess, breloomfag?

>>31699496
Because C- mons actually have a niche, small as they be. Dhelmise isn't even good enough for that.

>>31699430
Dhelmise is like Typhlosion/Ambipom of oras ru, it's not good enough but will somehow stay there.

>>31699392
There's more than 3 faries now.

>>31699118
>Primarina is the best gen7 starter

Owlfags and Tigerfags BTFO

>>31699504
>>31699533
Weavile

>>31699483
A lot of people looked at Dhelmise's stats and thought it would be the better Grass/Ghost mon from SM, turns out its movepool leaves a lot to be desired
Golisopod has to compete with Scizor and Azumarill for the "strong priority attacker" slot, and Bug is a shitty offensive type.

>>31699543
It's been a known fact for a while now ...

>>31699543
You're kinda late on that. Also no starter wars please.

>>31699118
>smogon
please keep your unofficial and unrelated fan project garbage to your own forums
stop advertising spam it on this board, buy adds instead so nintendo will nuke you faster

>>31699580
DREAM BALL AEGISLASH

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>>31699118
>the cancer has made its way into UU
I thought this was supposed to be the comfy tier to get away from the shit in OU.

>>31699359
ah yes
i bet you are one of those uneducated chavs who voted for drumpf
well, guess what? love always wins
#weyifftogether

>>31699351
>Go Roserade!
>Primarina dented Roserade!
>Roserade touched Primarina and it died!

>>31699697

>Primarina used Psychic!

>>31699697
252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 158-186 (117 - 137.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Are you retarded

>>31699724
You can even vary it up if you want
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 158-186 (117 - 137.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hidden Power Fire vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 106-126 (78.5 - 93.3%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

>>31699697
Roserade can't switch into a Psychic from Primarina my man

>>31699697
>>31699735
Honestly, even resisted hits can take a significant portion of Roserade's health

252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 138-163 (53.2 - 62.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Roserade: 120-141 (46.3 - 54.4%) -- 58.6% chance to 2HKO

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>>31699118
Wait my 2 favorite pokemon are ok?
(Kabutops and Reuniclus)

>>31699829
Drizzle isn't banned yet and Reuniclus is still the same as it was last gen.

>>31699556
Its moveset is fine. Problem is that it has no speed.

>>31699846
Haven't played koffing simulator since BW2 were recent, sorry.

I assume magic guard is still the prime ability rather than regenerator?

>>31699737
>>31699778
>>31699724
>252+ SpA Choice Specs Primarina Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Roserade: 148-176 (45.6 - 54.3%) -- 52.3% chance to 2HKO
>0 SpA Roserade Giga Drain vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Primarina: 174-206 (57.8 - 68.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Roserade still wins because it outspeeds

>>31699883
yup, as it was in BW2

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Huge anchorfag here, oneof my top 10 pokemon ever, I think they're underrating it a bit. I see it as around C+/C but that's just my opinion.

Not happy overall with things like thunderus and clefable joining the tier but I'm still to karenfag in UU with a bunch of favorites so that's cool.

>>31699118
>M-Aerodactyl still tied for best Mega in the tier
Head Smash when?
>Hydreigon still hanging on at A-
I was afraid power creep was going to wipe it out completely.
>Tsareena in B+
Legitimately surprised and happy for it.

Also why hasn't OU started the Lele suspect. Or Greninja re-suspect, either works.

>>31699898
>R-Roserade wins you guys
>you just have use this terrible set on it, that's all!
>stop making fun of my waifu :(

>>31699899
Nice
Maybe I'll finish my shiny Reuniclus MM.
Or try it out on weezing daycare land.

>>31699898
At least use an actual set people would use, like the specially defensive one.

>>31699898
>Assault Vest Roserade
Anon, we prefer to avoid Verlisify sets when speaking in general
Also we're talking switch ins, not "1v1s"

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>>31699898
>252 HP / 252+ SpD Assault Vest Roserade

>>31699921
I think they'll suspect how gay BP is, then they'll just start suspecting mons like smogon frog

>>31699921
Lele is fine.

>>31699906
C+/C is still shit, stop using it and let it drop where it can actually be good.

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>>31699999
quints confirm

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>>31699999
the quints of truth have spoken

>>31699999
Oh shit

>>31699516
Being C rank is anything but fine. It's shot anon.
Dhelmise is a specially bad kind of shit. The kind where even other shit is better than it.

>>31699942
If we're talking switch ins then anyone can switch on Primarina because you just have to not be a retard and switch into the opponents predict by predicting their predict, in fact its' often better not to switch because everyone is always thinking one step ahead, that's why you have to think two steps ahead.

>>31699932
>>31699942
>>31699977
Alright fine, you don't even need all those investments I only added them to show you how far you could go.

252+ SpA Primarina Psychic vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Assault Vest Roserade: 136-160 (52.5 - 61.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

0 Hp, 0 special defense, then you use fling to pop off your assault vest and use rest to avoid all the extra damage when Primarina switches out because you hard counter her

>>31699118
>both Water/Bug types are C-
ITS NOT FAIR

A-at least their designs are still good

>tfw my bro mega Blastoise is considered high-end UU material

Hey, I'll take it.

>>31700033
>rest
Roserade also has synthesis, you know.

>>31700038
Look on the bright side anon, they'll be amazing in RU which is looking to be the actual cool cancer free tier.

>>31700033
Is this what going full Verlisify looks like?

>>31699118
It looks like last gen OU except fun

>>31700052
I believe so.

>>31700033
Good luck getting higher than 1300 in the ladder

>>31699203
Nnnnnnnot exactly anon...I'm sure he'll move up at least a little bit once intimidate gets released.

TFW Ambipom and Dhelmise fag and Smogon hates them

>>31700072
Can't wait for my Alolan starterbro to move up to UU C-rank, just below Arcanine.

>>31699921
OU's full of steels, which are the tapus's biggest nemesis.

It could get suspected after arena trap/baton pass, but don't expect it to get the banhammer.

>>31700052
Yes

>>31700033
If you want assault vest Primarina, you're better off going on the full offensive with scald, moonblast, ice beam and whatever move your team needs for coverage. All those tools combined can really turn vest Primarina into a hell of a tank.

>>31700075
They should be amazing in OU. It's not hate when you keep making tiers under previous tiers to let all bros shine.

Just let it drop anon.

>>31700103
>OU
Fuck I meant NU

>Rotom heat walls 3 of the 4 S ranks
>

>>31700087
I think he'll be at least C+ rank. Incineroar has a few more things going for it than Arcanine. Fake out, an 85 bp STAB dark move that ignores defense buffs and evasion, U-turn, and the dark typing will help shut down any psychic specs users.

>>31700123
It really only walls Thundurus. It checks Scizor and perhaps Bisharp, but hates switching in on either of them if they're using their non steel STABs.

>>31700123
How does Rotom wall Thundurus?

>>31700135
Fake Out isn't nearly as good in singles as it is in doubles. Defense buffs aren't used very often anyways and it hates rocks because it can't just recover off the damage.

>>31699118
What's so good about Bisharp?

>>31700140
Yeah i'm just salty, I love Rotom

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>>31700148
Are you baiting or are you just retarded?

>>31700123
It checks them, but doesn't wall them for shit, especially if SR are up

>>31700135
Defense buffs are mostly irrelevant. Incineroar can't really do a decent job as a dark type when it lacks pursuit, knock off and sucker punch, and as a fire type when it lacks morning sun and arcanine's decent coverage.

>>31700123
But it gets assfucked by STAB knock off??

And Scizor just u-turns out

>>31700033
0- Atk Roserade Fling (10 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 3-4 (0.9 - 1.3%) -- possibly the worst move ever

Aside from that: Roserade doesn't even get Fling to begin with.

>>31700144
Think. What can Thundurus do against an electric type?

>>31700153
I've never used one so it's a legitimate question.

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never played UU before
How good is my bro?

>>31699999
>C-tier
>"Let it drop"
>Drops to RU
>"This shit is way too strong for RU, quickban"
>Goes to BL2 to sit and do nothing till the next games

It's a sad existence.

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>>31700166
>mfw I forgot that the rotom forms are all part electric
Well now this is embarrassing.

>>31699580
Go away vgc fag

>>31700182
You're stupid. Dhelmise would be extremely mediocre in RU but somewhat valuable as a spinner since they're lacking spinners.

>>31700168
>Defiant deters sticky web and hazard removers
>Best trapper in the tier
>Knock off buff
>Decent physical bulk
>Heracross attack
what's not to like?

>>31700194
They always were.

>>31700199

I was talking in general, didn't see who you were replying to.
But yeah, anchor is probably not too OP for RU.

I'm kinda sad for my bro Slowbro who gets fucked by everything
But i blame the powercreep
And just don't play smogon

>>31699118
>In OU, Primarina is C- and Volcanion is B-
>In UU, Primarina is A and Volcanion is A-

What

>>31700210
I know, that's why the brainfart was so embarrassing on my part.

>>31700174
A- which is pretty much the goodmons cutoff

It will become even better when it's mega stone becomes avaliable. Mega pert is one of the mons that benefit from the mega speed fix.

>>31700174
Has great potential as a physical sweeper/tank in the rain, but you'll want someone else to setup the rain for you instead of using up a move slot on rain dance.

Keep this in mind once the Swampertite event goes live.

>>31700222
>what is metagame context

>>31700222
Viability in a tier ≠ Usage

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>minior moved to uu

>>31700222
Volcanion has certain uses in OU it just doesn't have in UU.

>>31700222
Primarina in UU is a Fairy type in a meta that doesn't have many other Fairy types.
Primarina in OU is a worse Tapu Fini.

Volcanion in UU has a ton of switch ins in the form of bulky waters that don't mind burn that much.
Volcanion in OU can do its job of spreading burn and nuking stuff a lot better.

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>>31700256
>minior is shit in UU

>>31700256
It never had any potential in OU to begin with

Same with shit like Mimikyu which is only in OU due to hordes of braindead fanboys inflating it's usage

>>31699118
I could have sworn I saw a couple like Gliscor, Amoongus and Gengar in the OU viability thread. What am I missing here?

>>31700270
It's a one-trick pony fucked over by nearly every form of priority.

>>31700148
Good defensive typing + all the juicy dark moves like sucker punch, pursuit and knock off + easy switch in on defog = kills latias

>>31699898
Only way Roserade can ohko Primarina is with leaf storm or life Orb Giga Drain(2ohko without it guaranteed) but most always run sash...

>>31700276
You mean Xurkitree.
At least mimikyu is different and potentially good, xurkitree is just a worse thundurus-t.

>>31700256
>said that Minior would be a gimmick
>people didn't believe me because of Shields Down Shell Smash

>>31700290
Being UU doesn't mean you can't use them in OU.

>>31700293
Potentially good sinergy with Psychic Terrain, then.
Terrain abilities as hidden abilities for shitmons when?

>>31700320
>people didn't believe me because of Shields Down Shell Smash
Isn't that literally what the gimmick is?

>>31700320
>>31700293
>>31700270
ALL HE NEEDS
IS ACCELEROCK

>>31700332
Doesn't make a difference because it's not grounded.

>>31700342
I forgot to place the word shitty before gimmick. But people did swear it'd be an unstoppable cleaner.

>>31700293
All shell smash users are. Doesn't make them any less interesting.
Put it this way: it's in the exact same rank as Cloyster, once a powerful threat in BW2 OU.

>>31699118
When will they bring Groudon and Kyogre down to play in OU

>>31700276
>Salamance with 4 dragon dances somehow because you fucked up hard is going to sweep your team!
>Go Mimikkyu!
>Salamence broke Mimikyu's disguise
>Mimikyu used play rough!
>or
>Mimikyu's red card activated!

>>31700355
I thought Psychic Terrain prevented grounded mons to use priority.

>>31700262
>Primarina in OU is a worse Tapu Fini.

I don't recall ever seeing a Choice Specs Fini in OU.

>>31700364
Cloyster isn't weak to Ice Shard , Aqua Jet, and Bullet Punch.

>>31700351
True. It'd be amazing with it.>>317003

>>31700380
It's worse in general, but yeah, the comparison doesn't really make sense.

>>31700381
I know, it's only weak to mach punch and vacuum wave.
All shell smash users have their pros and cons. Priority isn't everything. It's close to everything tho.

>>31700276

Every gen since 4 has a Pokemon like that

In Gen 4, it was Electivire
In Gen 5, it was Haxorus
In Gen 6, it was Trevenant
In Gen 7, it's Mimikyu

>>31700406
Priority is near worthless in OU now.

>>31700380
That's because specs is horrible with defog, one of the main appeals to fini.

>>31700408
Nah, it's xurkitree. Just like trevenant, it's completely outclassed by a mon with similar typing.

>>31700375
>deadweight shitmon for the rest of the game
If you're bad enough to let mence get to +4 in the first place (which implies either 4 DDs or 3 consecutive moxie kills or some combination of both) you deserve to be swept anyway

>>31700416
Then shell smash users should be great, yet they aren't.

Can't believe people are complaining about mimikyu when we have xurkitree in OU.

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>>31699312
Its surprising that Slaking 4.0 is even ranked. I guess 90 BP Bug priority was it's saving grace?

>>31700408
Gen 4 arguably had multiple contenders, but that was partly the fault of using all-ratings usage stats to determine tiers

Is it fair to say if Lele gets banned that would change the OU metagame significantly?

>>31700455
Because most shell smash users are shitmons

>>31700455
Most of them are just naturally shitty. Even after a smash most of them are too slow to sweep.

>>31700486
Why would Lele get banned?

>>31700491
Omastar should be great in OU since rain is plenty.
Priority is still a big thing. If not priority, then scarves or whatever.

>>31700468
Xurkitree has a niche on scolipass teams at least

>>31700486
Usually what happens when an A+/S tier mon gets banned.

>>31700490
Omastar, cloyster and minior all have their niches.

>>31700499
It does not. Literally anything else can fill that role. Thundurus-t does that particular job a million times better thanks to actual coverage.

>>31700486
Pheromosa ban would follow.
Right now we don't need bans, we just need mawilite released and everything will come to place naturally.

>>31700311
Xurkitree is at bare minimum the 2nd best baton pass recipient in the tier. That's a niche that makes it better than Thundurus-T in the context of SMOU.

>>31700524
>2nd best
Literally how
What does it have that thundurus doesn't? Muh tail glow? Thundurus has nasty plot if that's an issue for you.

>>31699543
Still sucks compared to Azumarill and Tapu Fini

>>31700498
Scarf is more of a threat than priority. Most Megagross don't even use priority. Scizor isn't worth running anymore. All you really have is Ash Greninja that uses it regularly.

>>31700522
Why would Phero get banned after Lele, when it's Lele's psychic terrain that makes Phero ridiculous.

>>31700532
>+3 252+ SpA Xurkitree Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 255-301 (39.7 - 46.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>+2 252 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey: 145-172 (22.5 - 26.7%) -- 32.9% chance to 4HKO

And that's not assuming the fact that Beast Boost gives it +1 for every kill.

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>>31699118
>this is Gen VII UU
STOP THE META I WANT TO GET OFF

>>31700532

Xurk hits harder and snowballs with every KO it scores.

>>31700565
Thundurus has taunt, which immediately invalidates whatever chansey came in to do as well as your whole point.

>>31700201
That low speed.

>>31700537
Doesn't really make sense to compare it to Fini and doesn't suck at all compared to Azu but ok

>>31700550
Brb trying out new rain team with omastar

>>31700522
Pheromosa won't be anywhere near the chopping block until tutors hit. As soon as it gets Knock Off, it's gone.

>>31700583
I used Chansey to make about about Xurki's absurd power on Scolipass.

But yeah, for anything else use Thundurus or Koko.

>>31699543
When the queers under the new toy syndrome realize it isn't that good, it will drop out of UU.

>>31699697

Do retards like you know even know what low defenses look like?

>>31700576
With no coverage.
Imagine the wallbreaking power you can have with the same thing but with actual coverage, plus tools like taunt and knock off.

>>31700615
Anon, these are viability rankings not usage stats

>>31700583
Thundurus having to Taunt doesn't help it much when Seismic Toss kills it faster than Thunderbolts can kill Chansey (and Focus Blast isn't something you want to be forced to rely on for BP).

The only thing that really outclasses Xurkitree at the role its good at is Manaphy, as a BP recipient Tail Glower, and any team running Scolipede is going to run both since you need the redundancy for the team to be consistent.

>>31700615
You realize these rankings are based off competitive viability in a tier, not usage, right?

>>31700627
>With no coverage.

>HP Ice
>Energy Ball

>>31700601
We got gen 5 tutors in ORAS, so if gen 4 remakes do come true we'll most likely see move tutors from that gen instead like sucker punch, Vacuum Wave, etc imagine that on Pheromosa

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>>31700618
Probably just an Owlfag. Ironically, Decidueye has worse defensive stats except for having one point of defense over Primarina while having a noticeably worse defensive typing. Pretty funny to think about considering so many Decidueyefags before were saying it was too frail.

>>31700643
Why isn't focus blast worth running again? Can't thundurus boost further? And why would you baton pass to a special attacker with a special wall on the field?

>>31700638
You're saying like I don't know that. Its rank in UU will continue to decline over time, as well as its usage. Its slow and weak to physical attacks.

Which is getting banned from OU first baton pass or arena trap

>>31700672
Great job, listing hidden power.
Thundurus has that plus focus blast, and physical coverage like superpower and knock off.

>>31700565
>Chansey used Toxic!
>Chansey used Protect!
>Chansey used soft-boiled!
>Both Xurkitree and Thundurus die except Thundurus rolls for Focus Blast and actually has a decent chance at winning!

>>31700686
You mean just like the Pokemon Decidueye who has a shitty defensive typing in Grass/Ghost and only one point more of defense than Primarina?

Sure thing bud.

http://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/decidueye/

http://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/pokemon/primarina/

>>31700695
Don't forget thundurus just uses taunt and straight out makes chansey a shitty attacker for it to proceed to boost on.

>>31700710
Wouldn't Chansey have Seismic Toss which could possibly 3HKO Thundurus?

>>31700655
Yep. My point still stands.

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>quagsire is in C rank
>and it will likely climb up and down as long as it feels like it

giggty

>>31700709
>bringing up Decidueye


Nice projection. I never said anything about the owl.

>>31700719
I just used the taunt argument to show thundurus' other qualities against walls. It doesn't obviously run taunt and nasty plot in the same set. Thundurus has other options anyway, like knock off, which would still put a dent on chansey and other potential checks like alolan marowak.

>>31700615
I don't understand anymore. Have people like these played, i don't know, at least 10 UU games before saying this? Why are they making (wrong) assumption without even playing the game?

>>31700734
So do you believe Decidueye will drop as well or do you give up?

>>31700747
They're not. Anon is retarded.

>>31700720
No, as a matter of fact, it doesn't.

>>31699118
>jolteon not even UU

Why has it dropped so low, while Raikou ascended?

>>31700686
>Its slow and weak to physical attacks.
You act like that's Primarina's main problem when the same thing can be said about a few OU mons, which make up for those kinds of flaws with other uses. Primarina isn't amazing, but it's specially bulky and hits hard.

>>31700757
Raikou dropped from OU to UU. And Jolteon was RU last gen.

>>31700757
Raikou gets CM

>>31700747
it's /vp/, home of autistic retardation, what do you expect.

>>31700757

Mega Manectric and Raikou both outclass Jolteon

>>31700680
You're probably not BPing to Thundurus with Chansey active. The problem comes if Chansey can switch in and kill Thundurus since all the speed and SpA boosts in the world don't matter if Seismic Toss kills you faster than Tbolt can kill her, even with the free NP on the switch. You're also relegating yourself to potential 50/50s if you DON'T want to waste a turn Taunting, and if they outpredict you and get Softboiled off, you've pretty much lost your BP recipient. Or, you could also miss with a Focus Blast and lose your BP recipient.

Xurkitree just doesn't have these issues. It's got significantly more power, it's consistent, and the Balloon set can punish opponents spamming Earthquake against your Scolipede (something they likely wouldn't do vs Thundy, and Manaphy is the Z-Crystal holder for the team so you can't opt for that).

Xurkitree hits harder, doesn't have to rely on Focus Blast or 50/50s, and if it gets a kill and snags the boost to +4 it's pretty much unstoppable at that point since that's a threshold where pretty much nothing can survive it anymore.

Thundurus probably outclasses Xurkitree in some LO attacker role, but nobody uses either of them for that. Xurk is solely a BP recipient, and any shortcomings it has compared to other electrics pretty much vanish when it has like +3 speed. This is why BP teams with Xurkitree are starting to flood the top of the ladder and why Xurk hasn't fallen yet. It's very good on one specific team type. This is kind of like Shedinja, there's exactly one team that abuses it pretty well (it actually has OU usage in 1825 stats because that team is popular with high level players), and the other things that usually outclass it simply are inferior on that specific type of team.

>>31700672
Also Dazzling Gleam but honestly when your first argument for something having coverage is Hidden Power then honestly the coverage is pretty trash.

>>31700214
I'll never understand this mindset. If your bro is shit, literally the only place you can use it is in one of the Smogon tiers. It's not like you can get away with using a shitmon in Battlespot or VGC.

>>31700787
Actually sometimes you can.

>>31699503
I hope that they nerf Skarmory so that I can use it in UU tbqh

Lel whats the deal with dhelmise?

>>31700834
It's shit. Like a worse Trevenant. That's all.

>>31700766
I didn't play last gen. 5 gens being OU was a good run, though.

>>31700862
Raikou was UU in XY for a while tho. It wasn't even broken there or anything, fit really well in the tier with its brotherin.

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>tfw visited by the water bunny of healthy meta

>>31700693
>>31700782
Coming off of Xurkitree's absurd SpA stat and potential beast boosts, Hidden Power might as well be the only coverage he needs.
He effectively has the same coverage Thundurus has, minus focus blast, but arguably doesn't even need it unless you're stupid enough to attempt a sweep while the opponent has a healthy Magnezone up.

>>31701059
He also can't sweep if Alolawak is still on the foe's team.

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Surprised not to see this guy? What's wrong with him?

>>31701236
There's no easy way to say this, anon...
He's a shitmon.

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>Golisopod won't ever be a top tier mon in any tier
why live

I haven't paid a lot of attention to UU, but can someone tell me why shiftry is in there? He's pretty frail for what he has

>>31701333
Eh, shiftry was NU last gen. This just means shiftry has some use in UU even though it has a C- ranking(aka absolute shit).

>>31701298
Golisopod would be instant OU without that ability though. Emergency Exit is Wimp Out but a different name? What were they thinking?

>>31701333
Drought's allowed in UU and people are retarded.

>>31701363
He might be instant OU if they replaced his ability with Technician or something, but you're giving him too much credit.
His speed is too low to be an effective attacker (or even an effective wallbreaker), his typing and stats aren't good enough to come in during the fight repeatedly, and a stealth rock weakness means he needs support to function.

>>31701290

im pretty detached from what pokemon are strong, but he seemed alright at least

is the shit ton of weaknesses the real killer? i figured he could at least find a decent niche in trick room teams

>>31701363
>>31701298
>two bug/waters
>one has a great ability but is held back by its terrible stats
>other has great stats but is held back by its terrible ability
It's like poetry. It rhymes.

>>31701387
>Technician
Fuck I meant Adaptability.

>>31700476
90 BP bug priority is pretty fucking stronk

>>31701394
>decent niche in trick room teams
In competitive singles this is a very nice way of calling something a shitmon.

>le genie of healthy meta is back to shit up UU
nice sweet thanks I love these guys best decision GF has ever made

>>31701394
He's pretty outclassed in specially offensive roles by his cooler older brother, Exeggutor-Kanto.
As a physical attacker he's meh at best.
4x weakness to ice shard means he struggles to stay in, and switching out on a trick room team might as well involve typing /forfeit into the chat box.
Bulky sets are bad and I'm not gonna bother explaining why.
Trick Room in general is a joke outside of doubles, and there are better grass and dragon types you can use in Trick Room.

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>Starmie and Gengar are UU

>>31701436
Tornadus was UU last gen.

>>31701436
Less cancerous than tapus

>>31701485
I wish all fucking legendaries and pseudo legendaries got locked to ubers no matter what.

>>31701523
'tism

>Gardevoir at the bottom of UU
I knew she wasn't good without her Mega, but that bad?

>>31699363
Tornadus has been UU since its inception.

I wish I could go back to the 90s and tell people mew will be dogshit in a decade just to see the look on their faces

>>31701592
The people in this thread complaining about Genies suddenly being in UU have probably never even played the tier.

>>31701436
Thundurus isn't even that bad.

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>>31699118
>tfw all my UU staple mons that I've been using since gen 5 are B rank or lower
O-oh...

>>31701523

Why? Things like Articuno wouldn't survive in ubers.

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>>31699118
>Sceptile is worse than Shiftry
Why can't they throw this goddamn thing a bone?

>>31701467
Gengar in UU was the biggest surprise to me.

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>>31701437
>He's pretty outclassed in specially offensive roles by his cooler older brother, Exeggutor-Kanto.
>Dragon STAB and Fire coverage is worser than....Psychic STAB?
I really can't see it.
>>31701579
Her only good set is Scarf. Primarina outclasses Specs sets. And a physically frail 80 base speed mon is fucking awful for a Calm Minder.

>>31701592
I was referring to Thundurus

>>31700135
>u-turn
yes, please keep u-turning with your hazard weak mon with no recovery move

>fake out
irrelevant to smogon for the most part, more of a vgc thing

>dark stab
it's missing all the good things of being a dark type like knock off, pursuit and sucker punch.

>>31701674
A small price to pay to not have shit like le meta genies and kyurem running around shitting everywhere.
Who the fuck uses Articuno anyway.

>there will eventually be a day were Lando, Chomp and friends will be UU
Can't wait for all those bulky waters to meet Ferrothorn.

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>>31699118
>Kommo-o same rank as Flygon

>>31701706
That's good to know. I don't normally keep up with competitive, so I wasn't sure how the new gen was going to affect my favorite.

>>31701756
Maybe Chomp in the future(Dragon typing is starting to become a hindrance these days) Lando? I doubt it. Whatever will invalidate Lando would be sent to Ubers. Lando is ridiculously good, but balanced for the metagame.

>>31701387
if you think its typing and stats aren't good enough to come in repeatedly you've never used golisopod. it's very bulky and can switch in a lot, it's just eventually it's forced back out by emergency exit. bug/water is great stab too, and leech life can keep it healthy. it can set spikes and do things like bulk up and swords dance too. literally the only thing wrong with it is the ability.

Azumarill ban when. There's no reason why this shit shouldn't be quickbanned.

>>31701855
It dodged every single ban during UU beta, it's not going any time soon

>>31701855
I agree but I think the main reason why Azumarill dropped is because priority got nerfed heavily this gen, so it can't spam aqua jet as much as it used to. But considering the only somewhat relevant UU mon that stops priority is Tsareena.....

>>31701849
>Regigigas is fine, the only thing wrong with it is the ability

>>31701661
>Not holding it over the top of his head.

>>31699118
Looks like UU's my tier

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>Primarina A rank
>Decidueye in B+ rank

>Incineroar in RU

>tfw you're a barafag

>>31701932
Have you even seen Regigigas stats and movepool?

And that anon is right. Golispod has the typing,stats, and movepool to fulfil many roles in competitive play. Its ability limits it's effectiveness no matter how much you slice it. Its this generation's Slaking if anything.

>>31702133
the point is that his ability is too crippling for serious play
it should just activate at the end of the turn, I have no idea why it doesn't

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>Mantine out of OU already
It was nice while it lasted

>>31699856

Speed literally doesn't matter when you have 3 forms of priority. It's problem is it's shitty ability in a tier where rocks are even more common than in OU, so you're forced to use it as a late game comeback mechanic, which is hard because it's best priority move makes it want to switch a lot, not to mention Bug is an even worse offensive typing in UU than in OU. it takes a lot of effort to use it at its full potential, in which you can use other pokemon and do better with a lot less hassle.

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So...What's the issue with dhelmise? People can't handle a good mon?

>>31702461
Moo twist

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>>31702461

Dhelmise isn't a good mon.

Starmie, Tsareena, and Decidueye are all better hazard removers who have recovery.

>>31702618
Dang autocorrect, I meant no recovery.

>>31699312

Golisopod's been in a couple of high-laddering teams. If someone makes a truly busted team featuring it, it might be enough for it to reach OU. Scolipede and Xurkitree are OU for that exact reason, as well as Azelf in Gen 6.

>>31700182

No anon, that's going to be Flygon.

>>31702798
Anon pls, don't damn Golisopod to BL purgatory.

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Reminder that Decidueye is B+ AFTER the Baton Pass ban

>>31702811
My favorite meme

>>31702811

I meant high laddering OU teams.

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/dark-blue-peaked-5.3594218/

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/golisopod-wants-your-love-peaked-31.3592532

>>31701363

They priortiezed making a joke with it.

As a Wimpod, it's ability is just running away like a little bitch.

As a Golisopod, it's just making a strategic retreat.

>>31701363
>Emergency Exit is bad
low ladder scrubs need to kys

Where's my nigga Oranguru at

>>31702960
>X used any strong STAB/SE coverage move!
>Ouch.....looks like you'll need to rely on your other team members for this one!
Nah, fuck you.

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It feels so good...

>>31703126
Slow pivots my dude. Let's Golisopod eat a hit for a squishy teammate and give them a free switch in. Momentum is key.

>>31703083
230 | Oranguru | 0.07593%

>>31703166
It would've been nice if EE had a Baton Pass effect when activated though. Access to Swords Dance and Bulk Up seem wasted on this guy.

where is dodrio? is it any good in uu?

>Flygon
>C Rank

Literally something. Not much, but still something.

>>31701059
Thundurus has a ridiculously high special attack too.
The difference is that it can actually put in some work.

>>31701333
Shiftry was ranked C- last gen too but eventually dropped. Mods probably think the prankster immunity and drought being more common is worth a ranking (being a decent thundurus check and all), but it'll probably drop as well.

>>31700586
>what is Sucker Punch

>>31701437
Alolan Exeggutor isn't outclassed by Kanto Exeggutor.

>>31701523
Nah. Birds, dogs, regis, lake trio, swords of justice and pseudos are all fine.

>>31701612
Mewnium Z was banned from UU. That's not dogshit.

>>31701696
They threw it a Mega.

>>31702311
He was talking about Dhelmise.

>>31704586
it was ubers for four gens straight

>>31701747
The only thing the genies are shitting on is you, hence your shitty attitude and butthurt.

>>31700679
Decidueyes typing is decent think about it it gets two immunitys plus a resistance to ground. And unlike primarena it can take out tapu koko. Say what you want about decidueye being fragile sealfag. But your kinda forgetting that he's got one more point then you in defence. Is not weak to most the tapus or UBs. And has taken care of all of his competitions. Remember the cat and the anchor. Decidueye just got done brushing them off his wings. He left dhelmise in the back of uu. And the cat, well, he had it the worst.
RU
So did primarena ever out matched her grates competition, tapu fini. I thought so.

>>31700135
Wait arcanine gets fake out too, did everyone forget that

>>31705407
Primarina was never in competition with Tapu Fini.


>>31705407
>Is not weak to most the tapus or UBs

There are many Pokemon like this that still suck. This says nothing.

Decidueye will sink anyways so I imagine in a month or so we'll hear you owlfags crying over how it's not fair.

>>31705407
>But your kinda forgetting that he's got one more point then you in defence.

Being Water/Fairy is far better than having 75 defense over 74.

>>31705450
No it doesn't.