>"XY were better than SuMo"

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>''HGSS are the best games''

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>"gen III isn't the worst gen"

>>31697242

That is beyond retarded what you're saying XD

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>"BW had a good story and N is a good character"

>>31697242
Hate these people.
>>31697261
One of the best Pokemon games. Bet you think Unova shit was good.
>>31697268
At least Gen III had Emerald. But besides that, it will always be the gen that almost killed the franchise.
>>31697274
This is right.

>>31697283
TWO
GENDERS

>>31697283
>This is right.
This is right, despite being the wrong number of genders.

31697283

Not even giving that thing a (You).

>>31697283
((You) - 83) / 100 % 10 = Number of genders.

>>31697242
They were, but just barely. Neither are great.

>>31697261
They are though.

>>31697268
Gen 3 can't be the worst gen when Hoenn has the overall best level design.

>>31697274
Good post, storyfags need to fuck off.

>>31697283
Sadism and Masochism are not genders my dude

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>>31697283
>Hate these people.
That's exactly how we feel about you

They really are, though. In fact, XY is on the upper half of this franchise.

>>31697242
XY gave us fairy types, megaevos (shit) and 3d engine.
SM gave us Z-moves (shit). Also lackluster amount of new Pokémon despite copypasting models from XY.
I enjoyed SM more, but XY improved the series more.

I prefered SuMo because I played it like it was intended to be played, exploring and catching all the pokemon I could, not using the sames between two trials and talking to the npc
I wonder if XY and ORAS would have been better if I played them the same way

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>sumo

>>31697557
>playing a videogame in a way that it's more fun can make it more fun

>>31697533
wishiwashi_fish_hook.jpg

>>31697557
I also prefer using as many Pokémon as possible. Currently have 19 main Pokémon in Alpha Sapphire, just got my fifth badge.

>>31697603
>opinion I disagree with is bait
ebin

>SuMo

Kill yourself

>>31697283
>At least Gen III had Emerald. But besides that, it will always be the gen that almost killed the franchise.

Gen 3 didn't kill shit. The Pokemon craze ended with Gen 2 and for good reason considering Gen 2 introduced so many shitmons ingame and competitively smogon-wise all at the same time. Screencap this.

> Sun and Moon
> good
> implying

>>31698035
>smogon in gen II
>caring about competitive in gen II
oh look, it's that kid who thinks that knows anything about pokemon

>>31698064
You can take that factor away all you want but a lot of them were still shit ingame.

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>gen 4 isn't the worst gen

>>31698072
>oh yeah, meganium is bad in game meme
it's in game, you can use any pokemon you want

>SuMo

Easiest way to sense a bait thread desu

>>31697548
>fairy types
>improvement

Gen 1 is the greatest, you children don't understand

>>31698072
This

Try doing a run where you
>Pick Chikorita
>Don't use the Red Gyarados, Ampharos, Pidgeot, an eeveelution, Dragonite, any evolutionary relatives of the previously listed Pokemon or legendaries
I know it's a sizable list but Johto has plenty of other mons to choose from. If you try this you will be almost guaranteed to be tempted to use Crobat and the Gen 1 trade evos because in Johto mons either have mediocre stats or are penalized for not having arms

>>31698103
Psychic domination 4 life.

>>31697611
>gen that started the Kanto shilling
>good

Here's your reply.

>>31698093
>I don't like fairy gay bs because it offends my manly self. Where is my murder type pogeyman for manly men like me?

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>>31697242
>"Pokemon is a good series."

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>>31698131
>Looks at the starting point of the series
>...
>He's right. Pokemon was never a great series. Only good at best. It owes most of its success to the appeal of the Pokemon designs. Answer me this, what has Pokemon done for gaming? Pokemon has never felt like one of those series that was a leader in gaming (innovation.). It's just there.

At least in XY I can look at myself (Serena) in the mirror and check myself.

Too bad I can't get in-game upskirts + pov while upskirt peeking.

>>31698035
You keep talking shit about gen II, but it wasn't gen II who teach trainers that their in game team is shit because they don't have the right nature or they wasn't trained with the right EVs.
And wasn't gen II who say: hey, do you know how to make a pokemon game? create any random region and replace the original characters with shitty copies of them. And let's create a regional dex, exclude almost every older mon, and create shitty copies of them. It was gen III.

>>31698111
>being more worried about shit that doesn't matters than the game's quality, features and how fun it is.

>>31698064
It was in gen 2 that online battling took shape.

>>31698108
>Don't use the Red Gyarados, Ampharos, Pidgeot, an eeveelution, Dragonite, any evolutionary relatives of the previously listed Pokemon or legendaries
Autism.

>>31698154
Pokemon as a series has almost always been behind the times.

It's sad, we still only have one save file. Meanwhile a game like Kingdom Hearts 2 has like 99 save files.

>>31698165
Which Pokemon are shitty copies of older Pokemon?

Ludicolo is completely original, Deoxys is like a different take on Mewtwo, Aggron might take inspiration from Nidoking, Exploud is original, Latios and Latias are original and are the only Psychic/Dragon types to date.

>>31698182
Kanto shilling can help further ruin a game. Just look at S/M. Instead of making brand new Pokemon they gave us reskins of older Pokemon.

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>>31698165
>Gen 3 is bad for introducing legit mechanics for thorough competitive battling
>Gen 3 is bad for having new setting and pokemon
>Claiming Gen 3 of all generations copied anything when the entire Gen 5 dex exists

>>31698208
Ludicolo and Shiftry work exactly like Victrebel/Vileplume. Let's see: Feebas/Magikarp, Caterpie,Weedle/Wrumple , Pkachu/Plusle, Minum , Krabby/Corpish, Grimer/Gulpin
>>31698221
>Gen 3 is bad for introducing legit mechanics for thorough competitive battling
and for making us give the finger to our in-game team
>Claiming Gen 3 of all generations copied anything when the entire Gen 5 dex exists
Gen V also copied a lot. But this does not exclude gen III

>>31697242
XY is bad, but it is by no means worse than SM. SM is utter shit. And literally summer vacation: the game.

>>31698248
>Saying fuck you to our in game teams
As if that shit matters in game.
>Gen also V copied alot
The entire dex is a rehash of Gen 1. What exactly did Gen 3 copy? A regional bug? A regional bird? Starter pokemon? Legendaries? You know you're right, Gen 3 was so incredibly unoriginal in hindsight.

>>31698248
>and for making us give the finger to our in-game team
Which happened in gen 1 and 2 due to the mere existence of IVs.

>But this does not exclude gen III
For what, if you hadn't noticed the mon you listed aren't exactly copies unless you think that we can only have one type of organism ever.
In which case that would make Gen 2 the biggest culprit of any game to date.

>>31698346
>The entire dex is a rehash of Gen 1
You're just as retarded as he is.

>>31698996
>You're just as retarded as he is
I'm not criticizing the Gen 5 dex, it was a pretty great array of new pokemon, I just felt it retarded that he would claim Gen 3 copied anything when Gen 5's dex took inspiration from a huge amount of Kanto pokemon.

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>I enjoyed Pokemon Generation 4!

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>>31699245
>Sinnoh was "comfy"

>>31699245
>>31699270
Just behind Johto in most atmospheric region and beautiful overworld music. Felt like a real travel going through Sinnoh.

Suck cocks, sinnoh was great and Platinum cemented that.

>>31698996
>mere existence of IVs
and with a range of 0-15
the difference is smaller than the range of 0-31

oh yes anon, and beatifly is so much different than butterfree. a Dragon/Flying pseudo-legendary used by th last E4 member, how original is that?

>>31698346
>As if that shit matters in game.
I bet you love to see that your Abra is Adamant
Actually, I don't

>>31699318
>and with a range of 0-15
>the difference is smaller than the range of 0-31
You do realise that even a single point in say, speed could determine if you were completely swept or not right?
Once again the mere existence of IVs makes in game teams useless.

>oh yes anon, and beatifly is so much different than butterfree.
Very much so. Unless you want to say something like a Swallowtail is the same as a ?common garden butterfly.
>a Dragon/Flying pseudo-legendary used by th last E4 member
Again, very.
What you're doing at this moment in time is just diluting the themes down to their base elements and saying that a single connection is enough to say that it's a copy.

Of course you'll deny this because you have no other grounds to live on.

>>31699369
Just so you know even an Adamant Abra can demolish in game with ease. Just about anything that isn't a Ledian can do that.

>>31697242
You could have just posted
>"SuMo"

>>31699369
>135 base special
>implying nature matters in game
>never playing a pre split game

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>>31697283
TWO GENDERS JIMBA

>>31699386
>You do realise that even a single point in say, speed could determine if you were completely swept or not right?
Yes. But it's not just black and white.Not only the IV range is smaller, but you will never train a pokemon the wrong way in gen I and II. And can't deny that one IV matters for swept, but you can't deny that the difference is much greater. If you dont breed and have the right nature, you will have an horrible pokemon.
Your Crobat will be outspeed by an Alakazam, for example. This was not the case.

>is enough to say that it's a copy
it is a copy. You saw the list I posted before, right? Call it counterparts or whatever you want, they work too similar in game. Even Brock 2.0 is in the first gym.
>Just so you know even an Adamant Abra can demolish in game with ease.
And then when you arrive at the Battle frontier or PWT your pokemon will be horrible.

>>31699443
been playing since gen I, nigga.
There is a reason that I hate all those new mechanics. It was perfect to catch a pokemon and just used it. And GF realize the mistake. They create ability capsules, they create an way to fix your mon's nature. And now they crated Hyper Training.

>>31699757
>It was perfect to catch a pokemon and just used it.
You mean something you can still do in current games? Because natures, IVs, EVs and even moves don't affect shit when it comes to the main game.

> They create ability capsules, they create an way to fix your mon's nature. And now they crated Hyper Training.
So wait, now you're complaining that they made your in game team somewhat usable?

>>31699799
see what I wrote above.
>now you're complaining that they made your in game team somewhat usable?
No. I'm saying that you must do those retarded tasks. You didn't have to do this before.

>>31699799
>>31699827
Also, you couldn't do those tasks in RS. You're fucked in gen III.

>>31699827
>You didn't have to do this before.
You're right, instead you had to recapture or rebreed the Pokemon completely or just rely solely on cheating.

>>31699842
>You're fucked in gen III.
You're fucked in gen 1 and 2 as well, what's your point?
At least in 3 we had a method to see IVs instead of just sitting there tediously calculating numbers and EVs just to figure out if your mon was shit or not.

>>31699897
Even the other anon called you a retard.
Simple. My Crobat will not be outspeeded by an Alakazam in gen I and II. Now, if you don't train your pokemon the right way starting in gen III, you are fucked, your opponent will outspeed you.

>>31699939
>My Crobat will not be outspeeded by an Alakazam in gen I and II
Except it will you dumbass if the thing has low IVs. Not to mention you're forced to train the thing up in every stat which was a mind numbing chore in gen 1 and 2. Especially since 1 didn't have Pokerus.

Now in gen 3, you not only have quick as sin methods of EV training but you can also not only see the IVs, something you couldn't do in gen 2 but you also had the EV berries.

Do you even play Pokemon or are you here solely to shitpost?
Actually I already know the answer because you've moved the goalposts from in game to in general.

>>31700014
>Except it will you dumbass if the thing has low IVs.
Not that anon, but Gen 2 Alakazam Max Speed: 338 Gen 2 Crobat Max speed -15 (i.e. 0 IV) 343. So he is right that a fully trained Crobat will always outspeed a fully trained Alakazam, regardless of random factors like IVs.

>>31699757
>Yes.
And this is where you should have ended your post. The fact that the range is smaller is not going to bolster your argument because the mere fact that at lower number and a higher number places a gap between pokemon.

> but you will never train a pokemon the wrong way in gen I and II. Nor can you in any other game by the same virtue. In fact since Emerald you were given far more control of stats with the EV berries which also served as a method of quickly bypassing the chore that was friendship evolutions introduced in the gen prior.

>they work too similar in game.
Okay one, They're Bug types, there's obviously going to be some overlap in terms of moves and abilities.
Two, at the time of introduction Beautifly and Butterfree as well as the other "copies" played differently until their updates in subsequent games.

>And then when you arrive at the Battle frontier or PWT your pokemon will be horrible.
Is there a reason why you're mentioning a post game facility? Using your reasoning Generation 2 was the worst for training pokemon both because of the unpredictability of the IVs and what this anon said about the chore of training >>31700014 and because of how broken the Battle Tower was as it would randomly lower the users stats among other things. With these factors considered the PWT and Frontier are places where your in game team can actually remain usable.

So what exactly is the relevancy to mentioning a post game facility again? Remember what we're talking about when we refer to "in game".

>>31700100
>So he is right that a fully trained Crobat will always outspeed a fully trained Alakazam
Your math is a little off there kiddo.
Do yourself a favor and bring up a calc because if that Crobat has shitty IVs in the 1 to 5 range, which is a 1/3 chance, it's going to get outsped by that Maxed Alakazam.
Basically in gen 2 you're forced to cheat and there's no other way out.

>>31697501
>Hoenn
>Water routes everywhere
>Best Level design

You must be joking.

>>31698221
Gen 3 began the trend of making expies to fill the pokedex.

And the gen 3 mechanics ruined the game forever. Not everyone is an autistic fuck who enjoys grinding.

>>31700100
>Crobat Max speed -15 (i.e. 0 IV) 343.
A 0 IV Max trained Crobat 328 dude. I don't even think it can get 343 the closest would be 7 IVs at max speed which gives it 342.
Anyway that Zam would have to be in the 10 to 15 range but it outspeeding an in game Crobat is actually possible and in this scenario it's being pitted against a perfect one anyway.

And the dude is right about the whole calculating thing because if I remember right there was no way of tracking your EVs/DVs whatever you want to call them so there was no way of knowing if it was maxed or not until you reached level 100 or calc'd it.
Then there's the whole levelling to level 100 thing. I mean you have to do it in both but there's no way of doing it quickly i gen 2 because of that shitty level scaling.

Gotta check your shit before you post son.

>>31700211
>Not everyone is an autistic fuck who enjoys grinding.
>less grindy than gen 1 and 2
>calling anyone else autistic for grinding

>>31700307
>less grindy than gen 1 and 2
I guess you forgot how retarded EV training, abilities and natures were.

At least in gen 1 and 2 you could get decent exp while stat training. In RS you had to kill 123 Zigzagoons and 60 Carvanhas before doing anything else with a Pokemon, and that's boring as fuck.

>calling anyone else autistic for grinding
What's a more appropriate word for someone who enjoys grinding eggs and Zigzagoons?

>>31697328
>>31697346
>>31697482
>>31697520
>>31699466
There are more than two genders, prove me wrong.

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>"SM has a good story"
>"Lillie is a good character"

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>>31700437

>>31700119
>In fact since Emerald
not RS
>Using your reasoning Generation 2 was the worst for training pokemon both because of the unpredictability
the same as gen I
>With these factors considered the PWT and Frontier are places where your in game team can actually remain usable.
I can't take your post serious. You must be joking

>>31700493
>I can't take your post serious. You must be joking
To be fair, you don't need much to beat gen 3's battle facilities.

>>31700493
>not RS
Emerald being a gen 3 game.
>the same as gen I
And how does this help your argument?
>I can't take your post serious. You must be joking
Of course you wouldn't. You can't accept how flawed gen 1 and 2 were, possibly due to nostalgia as usual, and reject any notion of the game improving afterwards.

>>31700511
but you still need to beat 60 zigzagons like the other anon said.
Fuck If my pokemon base speed is 130 it must be fast.
>>31700513
>Emerald being a gen 3 game.
And we start saying how bad RS was.
>And how does this help your argument?
I simply don't know why you are just saying things about gen II.
>Of course you wouldn't. You can't accept how flawed gen 1 and 2 were, possibly due to nostalgia as usual, and reject any notion of the game improving afterwards.
Nope. If I train my pokemon in game in those gens, they will work great in stadium. That's not the case in BF, that's the reason I think you're joking.

>>31700493
>I can't take your post serious. You must be joking
Dude, battle facilities didn't get pretty hard until the PWT and at that point we had a fuck ton of shit to get Pokemon up to scratch in no time.

I mean the Pike and Pyramid were easy as shit if you weren't a retard.
And rentals give you perfect mon from the get go.

The only thing you had to worry about was going past level 50 because Open level scaled to your highest leveled mon for all 3 of your opponents mon, so you were fucked if you had like one level 70 a level 58 and level 50 because you'd be up against a team of 70s.

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>"Genwun pandering is bad"

>>31700286
And starting in gen III, if your crobat has the wrong nature and the Zam the right one, the zam will probably outspeed.

>>31700546
>And we start saying how bad RS was.
No one specified RS until your previous post.
>I simply don't know why you are just saying things about gen II.
Maybe because it's the one with a battle facility? If you had been paying attention that portion of the post was regarding them.
>If I train my pokemon in game in those gens, they will work great in stadium.
Stadium having a significantly higher curve than the BF and again there's the issue of IVs that you absolutely can't see or change.
As for the frontier, well, that's already been said by three anons at this point.

>>31700619
>No one specified RS until your previous post.
first post by jimmy
>Maybe because it's the one with a battle facility? If you had been paying attention that portion of the post was regarding them.
Did I need to say stadium?


Anon, if you train your in game team in gens I or II up to level 100 for example, and if you train the same team in gen 3, without checking for natures or EV, without checking for IVs in any team, the first one will probably be much better.

>>31700619
Also, where I can find the IVs for the BF and Stadium?

EVERY GEN IS THE SAME
V
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Y
G
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>>31698111
For you 4u

>>31697283
>people like Jimbo are the kind of people that hate gen 5

rly makes u think...

Guys... I enjoy, and still play all Pokémon games. I've never not had fun. Each generation has its own charm

>>31700159
you literally don't have to deal with a single water route until the last two gyms in the game.
can you even articulate what is particularly atrocious about water routes in the first place?

>>31698154
who are you quoting

>>31700648
>first post by jimmy
Which specified Emerald and didn't spark this particular conversation. Unless you're admitting to being to Jimmy of course.
In any case pay attention, you need to learn something today.

>Did I need to say stadium?
Considering Stadium defeats your point about EV/IV requirements for each game? Yes, you should have. Of course the Battle Tower in Crystal doesn't help you out either.

>Anon, if you train your in game team in gens I or II up to level 100 for example, and if you train the same team in gen 3, without checking for natures or EV, without checking for IVs in any team, the first one will probably be much better.
You're not really grasping things very well are you.
There's less degree of variance in generation 1 and 2 making battles determined entirely by the random factors IVs. There is no reliable way to see or change them.
Do you see the problem yet?
Battles are essentially determined before you had the chance to act, there are no other factors that matter besides IVs. I suppose there are items but the only one that could cause a legitimate change is the quick claw and who knows when that'll activate.

In gen 3 the plethora of factors from Natures, the higher IV range and abilities give your pokemon a far better chance of performing better than a Pokemon in generation 1 or 2. Take abilities like intimidate or speed boost for example if a mon is lacking in defense or speed IVs or nature they can compensate in ability.

I hope you're starting to understand basically the chances for a Pokemon being totally unusuable in generation 3 and higher in both the main game and post game facilities is extremely low and gets lower with each and every generation that adds new variables to the game.

>>31700694
Like I said, pay attention. I was referring to the player's Pokemon and not being able to view those stats. In any case gen 3 added a judge in Emerald.

>>31700945
Alright, so let's talk about stadium then.
>There's less degree of variance in generation 1 and 2 making battles determined entirely by the random factors IVs.
Yes anon, the Zam/Crobat case. Or any pokemon with high speed. Crobat must outspeed a lot of mons. If an aerodactyl outspeeds a crobat, that's ok, they have the same base. But if a pokemon has a 15 or more points in speed, it must outspeed the opponent. Am I the one who needs attention?
>not being able to view those stats.
But let's see those stats. You guys keep saying that Emerald was Ok, let's see it. You said it was my nostalgia, prove it.

>>31698072
Gen 1 had plenty of shitmons too, though.

>>31700945
>Battles are essentially determined before you had the chance to act
No. Battles were determined by strategy. A slower pokemon will not outspeed you.

>>31701088
>But if a pokemon has a 15 or more points in speed, it must outspeed the opponent.
You're assuming the pokemon will always have 15 or more points when all it takes for Zam to outspeed Crobat is for Zam to be in the 10 - 15 IV range and Crobat to be in the 0 - 5 range.
In other words, there is in fact a possibility that it can outspeed.
Now, in the case of a perfect mon battle yes the Crobat will outspeed the Zam however we're talking about in game teams where perfection isn't guaranteed.

> You guys keep saying that Emerald was Ok, let's see it. You said it was my nostalgia, prove it.
I've done that and then some by the looks of things. You can't even acknowledge this argument head on anymore.

One more time, I was referring to the player's, as in you and me not an NPC like Brock or Tucker, IVs and their visibility. You can not, under any circumstance, view them within the game in generations 1 and 2.
However in gen 3 you can using the Judge at the Battle Frontier.

>>31701208
No amount of strategy is going to save you in gen 1 and 2 if your stats are lower than your opponent and the chance of that is incredibly high due to the low variance in stats and lack of compensating factors.

Basically the first two gens came down to a pure numbers battle where if you didn't have the IVs you were shit out of luck.

>>31701208
>A slower pokemon will not outspeed you.
Not him but, no shit?

The way I see it you think that he's saying that a mon with perfect IVs that's fully EV trained but has a lower base stat in speed will outspeed the one that has the same conditions but a slightly higher base speed right?

You lot seem to be using Crobat and Zam as an example so lets go from there.
Zam has 120 base speed.
Crobat has 130.
Maxed out that's 338 for Zam and 358 for Crobat.

Now get this, what if they weren't maxed out?
What if IVs were in fact, random?
Is it not possible for say Zam to have IVs of 10 and Crobat to have IVs of 0 making both of their speed stats 328?

Now knowing that IVs are random is it not possible for say, Zam to have 14 in speed and Crobat 2?
That would make Zam's speed 336 and Crobat 332.
And in that scenario would Zam not be the one to outspeed?

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>>31697591
>being this asperger

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>Pokemon Sun and Moon were fantastic games
>I like pokemon games besides BW2

>ITT: popular opinions

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>Lillie is a great character
>I try to finish the pokedex

Worst of all
>I am working towards my living dex AKA: AutismDex

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>>31697242
>HGSS were better than SuMo
>BW were better than SuMo

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>I enjoyed Gen 3
>I think Gen 3 is better than Gen 2
>I Think Gen 3 is better than Gen 1

>I dislike Gen 1

>>31697242
if that's your opinion, cool man.

>>31701930
gen 3 = gen 2
gen 1 < literally anything

I really wanted to take part in this discussion, but realised that everything is highly objective, followed by what the fuck am I doing on 4chan, slowly moving on from Pokemon due to brain evolving.

Btw, I enjoyed SM, and I enjoyed XY, though I think the story was boring. It had the better (new) Pokemon however.
Overall, I enjoyed Gen V the most.

>>31702024
*subjective

>>31702000
>Being underage
Sorry you missed out on the peak of pokemon.

>>31702000
>gen 3 = gen 2
Elaborate

>>31698208
>Instead of making brand new Pokemon they gave us reskins of older Pokemon.
Eat a dick, Alola forms were great, and I hope they keep doing regional variants in the future.

>>31702036
you're delusional if you can't see that gen 1 was demonstrably the weakest of the gens. with fr/lg there is essentially no reason to ever go back and play the originals besides nostalgia.
>>31702051
both games were positive steps for the series. gen 2 improved almost every aspect of gen 1. gen 3 modernized the presentation, introduced double battles, and had a very well designed region.

>>31702513
>I-It has different mechanics THEREFORE IT IS LE TERRIBLE XDE!!!!
I know you're young but if you actually play Gen 1 you'll notice how charming and fun everything is.
Not to mention the tons of fun glitches to try out and mess around with.

Not to say FR/LG is bad though, I really enjoy those games, but mainly for the Sevii Island section.

>>31702733
There's a difference between different mechanics and mechanics that are outright non functional. Even RPGs made 10 years prior to Pokemon managed to accomplish a stable game.

>>31702755
They're fine. Stop being a faggot whiner.

>>31702733
>>I-It has different mechanics THEREFORE IT IS LE TERRIBLE XDE!!!!
i never said that gen 1 was terrible. just that it was weaker than the other games.
>I know you're young but if you actually play Gen 1 you'll notice how charming and fun everything is.
i have played the gen 1 games. i still own my fucking pokemon yellow cartridge. it's not like i think the games are terrible or anything, they are just demonstrably worse than succeeding generations.

>>31700945
>You're not really grasping things very well are you.
>There's less degree of variance in generation 1 and 2 making battles determined entirely by the random factors IVs. There is no reliable way to see or change them.
>Do you see the problem yet?
>Battles are essentially determined before you had the chance to act, there are no other factors that matter besides IVs. I suppose there are items but the only one that could cause a legitimate change is the quick claw and who knows when that'll activate.
Dumb. This only became a thing after gen 4 where everyone can kill everybody else, even things of their own species.

A battle between two Starmies or Alakazams or Jolteons or Gengars back then would end with both crippled with status, the winner being decided on luck.

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>>31703427
>Dumb. This only became a thing after gen 4 where everyone can kill everybody else, even things of their own species

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>>31703498