>An ice type variant of stealth rock is introduced How will

>>31679613

I don't know.

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>>31679613
It'd be pretty cool

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>A psychic type variant of stealth rock is introduced

How will this affect the metagame?

it'd be even more braindead than it already is

>>31679645

Yeah, that sounds nIce.

>>31679645
Ice one spic

>>31679646
Really activates the almonds

>>31679613
RIP Fuckchomp

>double HP stat of all Pokemon
>give every type some sort of entry hazard
>restrict it to Pokemon of that type mostly
>remove healing moves that have no backdraw(Recover, Roost, Morning Sun/Moonlight)
>remove stat boost moves that boost more than one stat at a time.

Game is fixed. Less stall, more strategy.

>>31679613
Then Alolan Exeggutor, Dragonite, Flygon, Salamence, Torterra, Garchomp, Gliscor, Landorus Incarnate and Therian, and Zygarde 50%, 10% and Perfect will now be PU and maybe the power creeps will be foxed.

Why stop with Ice?

Elusive Embers
Unseen Icicles
Shrouded Souls
Furtive Fae
Deceitful Dirt
Reclusive Roots

>>31679613
Garchomp and Gliscor BTFO

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>>31679613
>Grass is even worse
Gee. Thanks GF.

>>31679613
Depends on the distribution.

Best case scenario: it's Ice type exclusive. Froslass and maybe Cryogonal become much more relevant.

Knowing GF though, every Water type under the sun would learn it.

In either case, stall would be dead and HO teams would be everywhere. Smogon would probably eventually implement a clause that prevents having both this and stealth rock up at the same time.

>GENIES REMOVED
>Garchomp's reign of terror ends
>Ice and Steel types love it
>Fire and Bug types are suddenly more defensively useful
>Flying type dies forever
>Lucario is OU forever
>Smogon bans half the Ice-types that get the move

>>31679613
Black Ice, make it a field movethat doesnt deal direct damage, but has a chance to make pokemon on that side flinch each turn.

>>31679739
That sounds fun.

>>31679705
is that?... no... it can't be... unless?...

>>31679692
>furtive fae
Why am I laughing so hard

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>>31679613
It depends.

-If every water type gets it, then Dragon, Ground, Flying and Grass types will suffer immensely. Landorus and Garchomp usage will drop and Defog/Spin support will be more useful than ever.

-If only Ice types get it (ex. Cryogonal, Avalugg, Vanilluxe), then it won't affect the metagame too much, but those Ice types will see more usage outside of Hail teams and Hail teams in general will get a nice buff.

-If Fire types melt it upon being sent out (like Poison types and Toxic Spikes), then Fire types will be a staple on teams with Landorus, Garchomp, etc.

Lots of factors to consider.

>>31679733
If they do the last, nothiing you posted before would make sense. Garchomp would continue OU.

And that's would happen because instead changing strategies in metagame, they just want to ban new mechanics because it's easier.

>>31679692
Wavering Wyverns
Concealed Cobalt

>>31679801
Except all that stuff would still happen because Smogon isn't all of Pokémon

>>31679733
>>31679832
Why do you people insist on making those meme names for it? Icicles or Black Ice makes much more sense, and Steath Rock isn't even like that. Chill with the alliteration.

>>31679692
Bewildering Bugs
Ticky Toxins
Latent Lightning
Cloaked Craniums
Shrouded Shadows
Mystic Metal

>>31679864
>Black Ice
Get that edge shit out of here

>>31679692

>Embers
>Burns the next Pokemon that's switched in and isn't in the air.

Sounds nice to me if it only works once and isn't stackable.

>>31679877
Fortified Fists

>>31679892
Black Ice is actually a thing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_ice

>>31679892

Black ice is a thing, anon. When you're old enough to drive you'll know it's basically the ice that you can't see because of how clear it is that immediately puts you into a skid.

>>31679680
theres nothing wrong with stall.

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>>31679877
>Cloaked Craniums

>>31679892

Damn, man, remind me never to get in a car with you.

>>31679877
Occult Ambush
Subtle Stormclouds

Just need Dragon, Water, Normal, and Fighting now.

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>sneaky snowflakes

>>31679680
>>give every type some sort of entry hazard
>Set up all the entry hazards
>Opponent dies as soon as they switch in.

>>31679613
>An Ice entry hazard is introduced, it freezes any non-Ice and Non-Fire pokemon that is switched in. Switching in a Fire type removes the hazard
How does the meta change?

>>31679692
>Reclusive Roots
Unironically like this one.
It's literally Grass Knot, the Entry Hazard, which is pretty intuitive.

>>31679692
>>31680558
but then would it remain a stealth rock clone or would it, like Grass Knot, be more effective based on the switched in's weight?

>Not even Celesteel's x4 resistance to grass would save it
>The ass is literally too fat

>>31680598
>like Grass Knot, be more effective based on the switched in's weight
I'm going with this.

I know that the joke is mostly wordplay, but a Grass hazard that would function similarly to Stealth Rocks would make more sense as thorny vines or sawgrass, or something. Roots immediately makes me think of tripping over them.

>>31679877
>Cloaked Craniums
"Flying brains cover the battlefield!"

"Flying brains dug into the foe's psyche!"

>>31680598
<10 = 8%
<25 = 16%
<50 = 24%
<100 = 32%
<200 = 40%
=>200kg = 48%
No weakness or resistance applied

Maybe if the Ice version of Stealth Rock stacks like Spikes, but instead with different effects. Might be a bit interesting.

Layer 1 = Speed Drop
Layer 2 = Harsh Speed Drop
Layer 3 = Frozen Effect

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>>31680672
Quick: what's the pokemon version of Fry that could clear the field of these monsters?

>>31680796
Slowpoke. How is this even a question?

Malicious Messages
Garrulous Graffiti
>Dark
>Demoralizes Pokemon that switch in
>lowers Special Attack
>Maybe a second layer would lower Special Defense

>>31680796
Any Pokemon with Unaware or Oblivious should work.

Maybe even Own Tempo and Inner Focus too for good measure.

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>>31679613
RIP in pieces.

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>>31679692
>>31679877
>>31679832
Evasive Evil
Private Plains
Furtive Fisticuffs
Sub-rosa Submarines
Silent Winds

>>31679682
Zygarde-Perfect gets a free transformation just by switching in
the fuck are you saying

>>31679964
Sharp Scales/Secret Scales
Slippery Floor
Lego Bricks

>>31679646
that really fried my emu meatballs

>>31679613
Garchomp will actually die. And flying types are fucking unusable

>>31679613
Armageddon.

>>31679646
>It stacks
>It can hit dark types
>Lele gets it

>>31679613
It won't because smogun will ban it day 1 so that Garchomp and Landorus can stay OU for the next couple of decades

>>31681811
>opponent has sneaky pebbles and elusive icicles up.

Garchomp gets cucked upon switch in.

>>31679680
Healing has a drawback- you heal instead attacking.

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>A dragon type variant of stealth rock is introduced

How will this affect the metagame?

I have never discussed or seen people discuss how Stealth Rock has affected the meta game. In fact I have never discussed battle stuff with fellow Pokemon fans, although I have been battling for decades, and actually that's the main reason why I play the games.

I think Stealth Rock is plain stupid desu. Every team has a Pokemon that uses Stealth Rock, and every team has a counter for it, so why the fuck use it? And it's completely garbage how it shits on 4X weak Pokemon.

I think it's moves like this that ruin the fun and make people go for the stall teams which is absolutely disgusting.

Adding another variant, in this case the Ice type Stealth Rock variant, would just fuck it even more. How about you have both Rocks on field and opponent sends out a fully healed Dragonite... at 25% health. Yeah fuck it. Fuck all these crap moves that cripple teams without any fucking effort.

Just when GF added Physical Special split, I hoped for better days, now it's all garbage.

Well at least we don't get to deal with Skarmbliss

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>>31681922
>Private Plains

>>31683786
>Adding another variant, in this case the Ice type Stealth Rock variant, would just fuck it even more. How about you have both Rocks on field and opponent sends out a fully healed Dragonite... at 25% health. Yeah fuck it. Fuck all these crap moves that cripple teams without any fucking effort.

What if they don't stack, and when a variant pops in, it replaces the previous variant?

Hmm... what if these stealth rock variants took stuff like Sap Sipper and Water Absorb into account?

>>31679613
Smogon bans it

>>31683755
very little. Dragon a shit type, its mons are only good because resistances and muh BST

>>31683637
>Opponent has Stealth Rock, Elusive Icicles, 3 layers of Spikes and 2 layers of Toxic Spikes up

>>31683897
>You've likely ko'd 3 of their mons by this point and they have zero momentum to capitalize on their hazard advantage.

Granted, and switch-in and you're probably fucked too.

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͖̞̙̣̊͂
̬̻̘̘̝͈̆H̜͔̤̝̏ȏ̃ͮͯ́w͋̎͊̀̐̋ ̱̱̻͔̤́̍ͪ͆͊̔w̮i͙̼̬̟͙̹͎̋̄́l͎̓̊ͯ͐ͅl͍̝̏̿͊ ̰̼̇̽ͤt͙͙̪̅h̹͚̰̖̥̥̎̈̅͋ͤi̗͈̻̹̹̠ͫͦ͂̍̇̆̑s͓̙̰̝̖͇ ͇̯̣̻̩̼̥ͧ͐̔ä̘́̀ͭ͋̈f̥̼̪͓ͭfe͚̺͊͋ͦͧ̄c̜t̩̲̖̰ͧ̉̀ ̮͚̌ͯ̂͛́̔t̥̯h̃̃̎ẽ̊̾̐ ̼̹̤͎̣m͓̰̾ͣ̀͒̈́e͚͉̥̺̿t̰̿̐̎̎̑a̯g̙͔͍̬͍̖̳̉͊̽ͯ͛̀a̗͙̼̪ṃ̬̞̖̠e͎̖͚̜͔̤̤̾?̞̺̮̬͕̞̐̀͋

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>>31679613
>This might finally kill Garchomp.
>The world can finally be rid of Garchomp

>>31683037
>And flying types are fucking unusable

That's why we have Rapid Spin and Defog support. I don't know why anyone would think this when Volcarona exists in OU even with Stealth Rock.

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>>31683987
o no who can safely switch in on that?

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>A bug type variant of stealth rock is introduced

How will this affect the metagame?

>>31686161
itll make toxic spikes the second least used hazard instead of the most.

>>31686161
Sticky web?
It's arguably better than dealing bug typed damage on switch in.

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>A rock type variant of stealth rock is introduced

How will this affect the metagame?

>>31679613
So what would the move's name be?

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>>31679613
>>A bird type variant of stealth rock is introduced
>How will this affect the metagame?

>>31686619
Sly Sleet
Secret Snow
Hateful Hailstones
Guileful Glaciers
Insidious Icebergs
Insincere Icicles
Foul Floe

>>31679613
Lando gets btfo

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>>31686496
>A fighting type variant of stealth rock is introduced

How will this affect the metagame?

>Black Ice
>Opponents speed is raised one stage, but their accuracy drops severely, and they take HJK damage if their attacks miss.
Accuracy drop can be either a full six stages or a flat 50%

>>31686665
Gelatinous Glitch

>>31679892
Retard.

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>>31679613
>A Explosion variant of stealth rock is introduced

How will this affect the metagame?

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>A Moon variant of stealth rock is introduced

How will this affect the clouds?

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>>31687036

>>31683987
Missingno OU now

>>31683848
As far as I know the Spikes tack too. (toxic and just normal spikes), the rocks would probably stack too.

Well I wouldn't mind them stacking as long as they get nerfed. Stealth rock literaly killed all the Bug/Flying types and they're useless anyway

Water types get it
Ice types stay as shitmons

>>31687099
>implying the moon isnt clouds

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>A normal type variant of stealth rock is introduced

How will this affect the metagame?

>>31684053
Because they take a lot of damage from both Stealth Rocks and Ice Stealth Rocks, so any team that runs both will ruin Flying types hard.

>>31679680
But Roost and Morning Sun/Moonlight do have drawbacks

>>31687296
You catch on quickly.

Flying and Grass-types become even worse.

>>31688825
This is actually better than what we have.

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>>31679613
>A Water Type variant of Stealth Rock is introduced

How will this affect the metagame?