How we can stop him?

>>31675198
>weavil used ice shard
>abomination disintegrated

Invisible Icicles

>>31675198
By giving HP ice to your own Lando

Adrenaline Orb?

>>31675198
Ice moves. Literally any ice move will do. But if you wanna clean up the meta, make hail have type effectiveness damage like stealth rock.

>>31675198
a female only counterpart that is twice as good

>>31675239
sneaky snow
fickle frost
perilous permafrost

You don't because the game becomes worse without him.

>>31675198
>Ban Landorus
>Pokemon formerly checked by it like Megagross shit up tier
>Ban Megagross
>Fairies like Top Lel start shitting up tier
>Ban Lele
>Mega Sab continues to shit up tier
>Ban Sab


etc
we cannot ban him without truly opening the floodgates

>>31675363
>>31675318
>>31675239
Please don't. Torterra's life is already suffering.

How about instead of banning everything in existence we actually balance the game through patches? I mean eventually it would result in something that is almost an entirely new game but id rather play that than this imbalanced bullshit.

>>31675363
>>31675239

Go ahead and do it, but don't give the move to 400 pokemon

>>31675198
Garchomp is worse :^)

>>31675385
He's the glue holding this sorry excuse of a meta together

>>31675422
Too much effort for GameFreak. Plus people would complain too much about their favorites being too different from the original.

>>31675385
The pokemon metagame is like a wildlife ecosystem

Really shmekles your heckles

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>>31675598

>>31675422
You'd just bitch about the changes every patch. A game like Pokemon has too many variables to be truly balanced at this point.

Having to live with what we get is one of the more interesting things about comp imo.

>>31675422
What's forcing you to play OU

>>31675645
I don't, I just think pokemon as a game could have much better balance.

>>31675198
ice pursuit

>>31675198
CAN'T STOP THE ROCK

>>31675623

If the approach to balance wasn't one step forward two steps backwards i'd be fine.

>>31675598
Some truth in that statement.

>>31675438
too late, GF already saw that post

>>31675198
MU

Mildly used

OU without cancer and BL mixed together.

>>31675896
And who decides what's cancer? """The Council"""?

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>>31675239
Surprise Gift is now given to Delibird and only delibird and is an ice type stealth rocks

Is Delibird now OU?

>>31675924
>sash delibird on every team
>tapu fini also on every team

sounds ""fun""

>>31675968
It's not much different from Sash Mamoswine on nearly every team

>>31675924
no but smeargle will see more usage

>>31675896
Stop posting this meme

>>31675998
Pretty much this

auto defog ability.

>>31675906
I decide.

>>31676025
Okay chief, give us your definitive list of cancer then.

>>31676020
This, plus auto Trick Room ability mon, and we'd be set.

>>31676034
Everything that I don't like.

>>31676020
A pokemon with an auto defog ability would become a stall staple

>>31676070
Or at least an item to extend Trick Room and the other room moves.

Just reduce it's fucking speed. 80 would be plenty enough.

>>31676070
Nice job killing offensive playstyles

>>31676071
That's not a list. You're not scared of actually typing a Pokemon's name or something, are you?

>>31676083
Yeah, that'd be nice as well. What would we call room extending items then?

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>>31676070
>>31676083
Both of those would utterly break VGC and since VGC is the only thing the pokemon company cares about, it won't happen.

>>31676088
Offensive would still be fine; it would hit speedsters the hardest.

>>31676102
They'd completely break singles as well.

Mirror Move replicates the magic mirror and thus forces it to change back to incarnate forme mid-battle

>>31676088
And nothing of value was lost.

>>31676094
>wanting to have a serious discussion in /vp/, home of pokemon shitposting
If we wanted to fix the meta, we would be at smogon forums

>>31675385
>Ban Tapus
>Ban Landorus

Metagross is now fucked over by more Fire Types because "I am the Earthquake" Landorus isn't there to be a dicklicker.

>>31676137
So, scared. Got it.

>>31676088
>>31676070
>And with one ability all "muh speed" pokemon are immediately nerfed to the point that every team is forced to hold onto previously unusable slowmon just to handle trick room

Critic my team pls

Landorus-Therian @ Rockium Z
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance
- Stealth Rock
- Stone Edge

Greninja (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Battle Bond
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hydro Pump
- Dark Pulse
- Water Shuriken
- U-turn

Ferrothorn (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 88 Def / 168 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Spikes
- Leech Seed
- Power Whip
- Gyro Ball

Garchomp (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Outrage
- Fire Fang

Metagross @ Metagrossite
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Meteor Mash
- Thunder Punch
- Ice Punch
- Hammer Arm

Tapu Lele @ Shed Shell
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Taunt
- Psyshock
- Moonblast
- Hidden Power [Fire]

>>31676150
Or they just bring their own trick room summoner ability since summoning trick room on trick room turns the room back to normal

>>31676147
and do you really think that ban a few mons would make a better meta?

>>31675598
Sand genie is a keystone species

>>31675363
Guileful Glaciers
Sly Sleet
Hateful Hailstones

>>31676167
>the meta completely revolves around trick room and trick room summoners.
I smell a trick room ban.

>>31676167
No, this is complete madness, since the other Rooms (Wonder Room, Magic Room) don't override Trick Room like weather and Terrains do.

And you don't want to use your own Trick Room setter just in case someone brings Trick Room against you, since it's effectively a dead slot in every single other matchup.

>>31676152

Cancer of the highest order

>>31676179
Actually? Yes, I do.

Tapu's speak for themselves, each one is super strong and super centralizing as fuck. Nothing is missed from banning them.

The same can be said for Landorus.

Mega Metagross wasn't super powerful in Gen 6 and without Landorus, we have more room for other Ground users and less impact on the fire type.

>>31676152
excellent.
A very well-thought out generic team #293795

Just put Poison jab on cancerchomp

>>31676237
While I agree with you that those mons deserve an analyse and probably a ban (I would put some UBs in that list as well), I must say that GF really failed to balance the meta. Even if some mons are cancer, if they can be countered they deserve to stay.
Any mon deserve an analyse, otherwise the meme "smogon bans everything that they couldn't counter" would be true.
If we wanted a better singles, many rules must be changed, but GF broke singles so much that they don't care anymore.

Is Acrobatics viable on Landorus-T?

>>31676308
and I fucking sound like a smogon apologist

>>31676337
They don't make the game for us though. It's made so people can get into playing each other competitively, and mons like Tapu Lele, Tapu Fini, are all centralizing on purpose so that kids can play without dealing with priority, status, or the ultra beasts which reward you for using them right by boosting a particular stat. You can be a smogon apologist since they usually know how to place and tier Pokémon, but if you're tired of something shitting up a tier, just bring one anti-cancer, then 5 Pokémon you like and want to use.

>>31676237
>The same can be said for Landorus.
I was under the impression that if lando-t was banned the whole meta would fall under a domino effect until its just stall. At least back in gen 6 he kept in check so many megas and offensive threats that, without him, would run so rampant they would eventually face a ban and leave the tier solely for stallmons.

>>31676385
Yes, but this would need a better company than GF. In gen V we thought that the genies were the worse thing that could happen. And now we got even more cancer. And other legendaries, like Articuno or Regigigas are useless. I would love a more healthy meta, but this would require a huge analyse and GF will never do it.
If anything, it's great that fans like smogon try to fixed it. Looks like UU is the new OU. When I say all the mons at OU I don't even wanna play it.

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>there are people in this thread who are seriously thinking singles can be balanced

>>31676441
>I was under the impression that if lando-t was banned the whole meta would fall under a domino effect until its just stall
This is true, Lando-t is a bit of a necessary evil and people seem to ignore this when they talk about banning him.

Nerf his ability to use nice items by making it necessary to be holding the mirror to maintain therian forme.

>>31676317
yes if you can find a way to teach it to him

>>31676317
considering he needs items I doubt it

On the other hand, Supersonic skystrike is one hell of a drug, as the flying pseudos would let you know.

> ITT: sub 1000 shitters that need to git gud

Landorus-Therian is fine, the only annoying cancer that has been consistent since gen4 is Garchomp

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>>31675198
Stop complaining about Landorus

>>31676152
Anon, you should know its a felony to spread cancer like this.

>>31676593
>lando is fine
>garchomp isn't
not this shit again, they're both necesary evils, get over it.

>>31676782
I've been over it.

Only shitters complain about Lando. Generichomp isn't even a threat these days.

Lando is superior to chomp anyway. I just call it cancer because thats exactly what it is. Cancer.

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>>31676809
...do you understand what cancer is? garchomp's usage is going down, and if you even think he isn't good anymore then why do you say it is cancer?

>>31676831
>why do you say it is cancer?

Because fuck you that's why.

>>31676890
OK, glad we had this discussion

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>>31676152
thanx gonna try it on showdown now friend! :DDDD

>>31676308
>Even if some mons are cancer, if they can be countered they deserve to stay.

Not if their only counter is two or three very specific Pokemon. To the point where you NEED those Pokemon because you know they'll be on every single team.

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>>31676152
>shed shell lele without calm mind
Nigga do you want to kill stall or not

>>31675422
I'd do it, but I have no idea on what the fuck I'm doing when it comes to running a server/how to modify shit.

>>31675422
Game Freak member here, why do that when you will buy it anyways? ;^)

Really makes you think.

>>31675623
This. Pokemon is supposed to be balanced around being unbalanced. If you play the game in a sandbox then of course it will be unbalanced as fuck. Balance with Pokemon is designed around having so many different variables and ways to build a team you can't possibly win with only one set of Pokemon.

>>31676916
Thanks doc

>>31676496
Switching alone is broken. Stall would run amok without the fear of Spikes/Stealth Rock/Toxic Spikes.

>>31678175
>you can't possibly win with only one set of Pokemon

Sure you can, just look at VGC 2016 :^)

>>31678175
You're sort of right and sort of wrong. Part of the reason Competitive players can play so well is because usually they're playing against sets they know pretty well and can play around, so you're right that if faced with a strange or unusual set they can lose

But that team is probably going be far worse than the top competitive teams in general, it may beat a certain team that isn't prepared for a certain threat that it has, but it's not going to beat all of them and especially on repeated battles. The top pokemon team sets rise to the top because they can handle the most situations, if a certain team setup fills the perfect holes and can counter the current meta than those rise to the top too, which is why Tangrowth is OU this gen.

>>31678234
The discovery of EVs and IVs did irreparable damage.

>>31678175
Pokemon has been unbalanced since it's inception. There always has been something that either overpowers everything in the game or limits some playstyles:

>Gen1: Psychics, Hyper Beam+Blizzard & Tauros: The meta
>Gen 2: CurseLax & Stall
>Gen 3: CroCune (Don't have Roar or Haze? Too bad)
>Gen 4: It ended up kinda balanced in the end, actually.
>Gen 5: Weather Wars. Attemping to be weatherless was outright suicidal back then. Some had success, but the weather always won in the end.
>Gen 6: M-Sableye Stall + Bravest Bird: The Meta.

And from what I've seen atm, Gen 7 is ScoliPass, M-Sableye Stall and Tapus VS UBs.

Competitively pokemom will never be more than a joke as a pokemon can lose 50% of its hit points upon switching in regardless of its defence stats.

sneaky pebbles were a mistake as was giving non poison types access to toxic. This is undeniable.

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Leave Landorus to m-wait, is the floor pink? I'll sit this one out.

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>>31678426
Leave M-sableye to me

>>31675385
You forgot where Smogon tries to "keep the Stall playstyle" alive by keeping Mega Sableye anyway despite a huge skew in it's usage stats, just like in the disaster that was Gen 6,

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>>31678394
>Gen7
Scolipass is just a meme that will die soon or just another Baton-pass ban.
Also, you forgot the damn frog. both version are literally everywhere.

>Gen6
Talonflame was good, but he didn't was THAT much of a differenc-

..now that i look at Gen7, i knwo exactly who would've saved this stupid Meta.

RIP bravest bird. You were too good for us.

>>31678426
Kek.

>>31675198
Wait for power creep to consume him.

>>31679377
You mean "Wait for a Water Type with Ice Beam that can outspeed or is slow enough to work when there's inevitably a Trick Room Setter because Mamoswine is dead thanks to Top Lel."

>>31679437
>You mean "Wait for a Water Type with Ice Beam that can outspeed

What is Greninja?

Mega blaziken and by extension blaziken should be brought down to ou again. Tapu fini, toxapex and lando t completely ruin what made it so overwhelming. Its forced to run 3 moves, otherwise it gets walled by fini and toxapex, and lando walls it unless ut runs some shit like hp ice.

Fini ohkos blaziken if it has any chip damage, toxapex simply hazes it to death unless it runs eq, but if it runs eq it cant run thunder punch to deal with fini, and if it doesnt run hp ice lando steam rolls it.

>>31679491
Except you don't know what moves Blaziken has until it uses them. If you switch in Toxapex and Blaziken reveals EQ, then Toxapex is wrecked. From there it's walled by Lando-T, but having to sack Toxapex just to learn the moveset is broken.

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>>31675198
>glaceon's quick claw activated!
>glaceon used powder snow!

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>>31678426
Are you an idiot? Landorus can still be hit by priority because it isn't grounded.

>>31675198

Stealth Rock, but with an Ice type.

>>31680270
They should remove the ground restriction to terrains. I want a thunder spamming Zapdos dammit.

>>31679491
Mega ultra chicken doesn't exist anymore senpai.

>>31680385
>not realizing they'll make all the Megas available in the next game so the people who missed the Events don't have to beg for a friend to trade/inject the Mega Stones in

Remove Intimidate and can't learn U-Turn

>>31681029
Why can it get U-Turn anyway? If the excuse is "because it is able to run away" or something like that, everything should get it.

>>31675198
lol i dunno ice punch, maybe?