January Usage Stats are up

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>>31668911
>Clefable in UU

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>Smogon

Clefable is now UU. How long will this last.

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>>31668911
>Clefable, Kingdra, and Mantine dropped to UU.
At this rate we might as well push everything with less than 600 BST to UU

fuck off landorus

>>31668911
F Mantine ;-;7

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| 1 | Landorus-Therian | 46.48363% | 401758 | 26.127% | 341287 | 29.714% |
| 2 | Tapu Fini | 33.21499% | 284431 | 18.497% | 230896 | 20.103% |
| 3 | Metagross-Mega | 29.95672% | 257411 | 16.740% | 189920 | 16.535% |
| 4 | Tapu Lele | 24.53282% | 258498 | 16.811% | 179296 | 15.610% |
| 5 | Greninja-Ash | 20.08590% | 249730 | 16.240% | 187825 | 16.353% |
| 6 | Magearna | 17.22646% | 151036 | 9.822% | 117920 | 10.266% |
| 7 | Tapu Koko | 15.21454% | 211004 | 13.722% | 159940 | 13.925% |
| 8 | Pheromosa | 14.60020% | 163488 | 10.632% | 122566 | 10.671% |
| 9 | Heatran | 13.57645% | 155892 | 10.138% | 126008 | 10.971% |
| 10 | Garchomp | 13.08356% | 172556 | 11.222% | 132151 | 11.505% |

Le floating lion has over 40% usage

So I've heard that there won't be an official NU ladder untill April. I guess I'm stuck with RU. Hopefully they'll start banning shit soon

>>31668954
>Le floating lion has over 40% usage
Does this honestly surprise anybody?

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>>31668954
Genies, Tapus, Megas and the Steel type were a mistake

>>31668911
>Zard Y, Volcarona, and Scolipede moved up from BL to OU
Feels good.

>>31668953
>>31668911
So briefly in the sun, but that one beautiful moment will never be forgotten. It's more than most Johto shitmons ever get.

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This game is a massive piece of shit that is in a huge need of monthly balance patches, not quintegineal (5 years) patches.

>T Lando at 47.72263% in 1825
Jesus, garchomp was only like 35% when it was banned in gen 4

>>31668975
Agreed.

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You done good kid. You done good.

>>31668946
>Kingdra and Mantine dropped to UU.
I expect a drizzle ban in UU soon

>>31668954
This is why we need an Ice version of Stealth Rocks ASAP

I'm glad Mantine and Clefable are now in UU. They deserve better than what OU has now.

>>31669088
That would just give Fini more usage

looks like the "my alola starter of choice is viable! ;_;" meme is slowing down

>>31669094
Buff Kooky Koko

Nerf musty Megagross

>Lando T is almost literally in every other team
>This is not considered over centralizing

??? ???

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http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-01/gen7pokebankou-1825.txt

> | 31 | Shedinja | 5.66325% | 10403 | 0.677% | 7505 | 0.653% |

Is stall taking over again?

>>31669127
>megagross
you mean smega megaygross

>>31669197
people don't build teams solely with the idea of countering lando in mind

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>>31668954
>Favourite tapu has highest usage

neat

>>31669088
Rip flying types and grass types

>>31669094
Not if it was Ice mon exclusive

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>>31669382
>people don't build teams solely with the idea of countering lando in mind

Are you retarded? Sure they don't -solely- build teams based on Landorus-T, but everyone builds a team keeping Landorus-T in mind

That's like saying people don't build a team solely with special attacking pokemon in mind just because they also keep in mind physical attacking pokemon, it's a meaningless statement

>>31669398
remember when everyone thought top kuckold was going to be the best and the ethereal goddess fini was going to be the worst?
I ALWAYS WIN

>>31669423
That's like saying the popular vote matters.
Koko is still best tapoo, give it time. Lels is OTP.

Also, some BL Pokemon officially moved into OU

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/initial-gen-7-uu-banlists-updated-in-post-38.3591784/page-2#post-7219329

Kingdra moved from OU to UU
Scolipede moved from BL to OU
Charizard-Mega-Y moved from BL to OU
Clefable moved from OU to UU
Mantine moved from OU to UU
Salamence moved from BL to OU
Volcarona moved from BL to OU

>>31669639
>Salamence was ever in BL
Haha oh wow

>>31669309
>Is stall taking over again?
Did it ever leave?

Also stall in UU has become an issue recently, I guess it really is time to pack up and go to RU.

>xurkitree still hasn't dropped
Is xurk the new electevire?

>>31669704
I'm actually surprised, it's really not that good
I started seeing people run really odd sets for it too, just to keep their favorite new mememon in OU , like z-hypnosis + tail glow. They'd just forfeit the game if z-hypnosis failed.

>>31669704
>Is xurk the new electevire?

No that's Mimikyu

Xurkitree would tear UU a new asshole

>>31669742
>No that's Mimikyu

The ability to have an instant "Stop" button to a sweeper gone out of control is really useful, not sure what you're talking about, Mimikyu's really handy

>>31669761
He's the swiss army knife of pokemon. Or towel.

>>31668911
>Staraptor has less than 1%
And so it begins, or rather doesn't

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>there are people in this thread who don't think Lando T shouldn't be banned to ubers

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>>31670137
It sucks for Staraptor and Diggersby.
All the other BL pokemon see use and are viable, but those two are the reason the BL=Purgatory meme exists.

>>31670173
Even though Lando is the glue holding this shitty meta together, I hope they consider a suspect test, Z-Stone Edge and Z-Fly pushed it over the edge.

>>31670233
Weren't pory and serperior in uu?

>>31670266

Yes but they got banned

>>31670266
They escaped once, but not twice.

>Swampert, Clefable and Mantine in UU
>All the wallbreakers are gone
Making a stall team right now, too bad my nigga Mega Aggron is in the Shadow Realm.

>>31668946
Smogon is fucking retarded.

OU is for Legendaries and their supports now.

But because everyone is Legendary, Legendaries aren't considered broken.

Dude, check it with Heatran.
But you can beat it with Keldeo.
Oh that can't get passed Tapu Koko.
Can't do shit to Landorus.
Really struggles with Celesteela.
Etc.

>>31670302
>smogon decides what has the usage to be OU

>>31670302
Play RU then, crybaby.

>>31670302
oh yeah tell me about it, i cant even fathom how many times ive gotten my shit kicked in by regice. of course im using total shitmons like mega salamence so maybe i should try a new team

>>31670309
>Smogon decides OU banlists

>>31670302
>2017
>retards STILL try to pretend they know how smogon works when it is clear they don't

>>31670314
>some legendaries suck
>some pseudo-legendary mega evolutions are good
>all legendaries are balanced
Nice logic brah

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>>31668954
>| 1 | Landorus-Therian | 46.48363% | 401758 | 26.127% | 341287 | 29.714% |

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>>31670343
fixed it

>>31670327
youre literally arguing here >>31670302 that all legendaries are broken, im simply disproving that you delusional retard
i also enjoy the part where you dont reply to the people pointing out the fact that you know nothing about smogon or how it works, i found it to truly tickle the grey matter

>>31670318
Let's try again.

Pokémon are only banned to Ubers if they are imbalanced in OU.

But OU is balanced around legendaries. Landorus-T, Celesteela, Pheromosa, Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Heatran, Magearna, Tapu Bulu, Tapu Fini, Zygarde. These are the Pokémon against which a Pokémon must be imbalanced to be banned to Ubers.

What gets the requisite usage in OU or not depends entirely on the baseline.

>>31670302
>Tapu Koko can't do shit to Landorus.
what is HP Ice

>>31670314
i know that feel man. have you even see regigigas? his base stat total is 670!

>>31670391
I never once said all legendaries are broken. I'm aware that some are shitmons.

I'm just saying that OU is entirely defined by legendaries and their counters.

Now any analysis of what is broken takes place against a backdrop of legendary competition.

>>31670391
My point was that half of the legendaries in OU are only considered not broken because they are checked by other legendaries. That was all.

>>31670302
>Keldeo
>OU

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>>31670443
no shit something isn't broken if it's checked by viable mons in the tier, legendary or not. metagross is controllable because its cucked by scizor. skarmory is easily removed by magnezone
you're literally just picking and choosing. ash greninja is controllable because its countered by tapu fini, but wait tapu fini also happens to be a legendary?? therefore all legendary pokemon are broken!

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>>31668954
>Legendary
>Legendary
>Mega of a Pseduolegendary
>Legendary
>Pseudo-Mega
>Mythical
>Legendary
>Ultra Beast
>Legendary
>Psedolegendary

>>31670309
Maybe you don't get it.

OU itself has nothing to do with usage.

What is blatantly broken is quick-banned (e.g. Xerneas).

What is less clearly broken can be suspect tested once it has S-rank viability in the viability thread.

Then the ladder freezes, an OU suspect ladder is put in place with the ban instituted, and the Suspect test players with high enough COIL get to vote whether to keep the ban in place for the regular OU ladder.

Usage doesn't factor into any of that. Usage only matters for lower tiers. Anything with > 3.41% usage in OU is automatically banned in all lower tiers.

Please learn.

>>31670511
yeah except we're discussing usage stats in this thread.

>>31670443
Actually Landorus T is either a 1 time check to physical wincons or a surprise wallbreaker/wincon against slower teams or teams that let it do a "double dance" and get outspeed.

Fini is a good Defogger with support perks that rains on Draco Meteor parade and isn't particularly weak to trapping.

Magearna is solid, the other 3 Tapus are good at being offensive, Heatran has a cool typing and good offensive synergy.

Neither of them is broken in a vacuum.

Z powers only legitimately buffed Landorus T to bitch the fuck out of some answers like skarmory and Tangrowth or where a neat upgrade to Bloom Doom Heatran not having to worry about knock off chip damage.

>>31670443
Most legends in OU are checked by things other than legends bar lele cause she's flatout retarded

>>31670574
Or Hoopa U and z Raindance Manaphy.

Some stuff just make the switch in suffer.

Top Lel lost some traction to be honest, now that it's popularity dropped a bit we can finally assess how good it is without new toy syndrome kicking in.

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>Char Y is back to OU
Very nice

>>31670642
desu there was absolutely no reason for it to have dropped in the first place.

>>31670636
The support the psychic terrain provides is what takes her from good to superb.

>>31670697
Can't argue there, but I can just point the fingers on Lele when there are still two big badguys that can poof out at least one Pokémon out of your opponent team existence.

Lele is more splashable and has similar(albeit better resistances) switch in opportunities to Hoopa-u, so yes Lele does edge out of the Fuck balance Trio.

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>>31670358

>>31668911
What's the cutoff for something to be OU rather than BL? Is Dragonite OU yet?

>>31672605
OU cutoff is 3.4%

>>31670511
Even the difference between OU and BL (which is determined by usage stats rather than council votes) is practically just semantic, given they're both allowed in the OU metagame and disallowed in the UU metagame.

>>31669639

It's time to create a new OU the experience pic

>>31672640
And a UU the experience pic.

| 1 | Landorus-Therian | 46.48363% | 401758 | 26.127% | 341287 | 29.714% |
What usage should Landorus reach to be considered suspect worthy?

>>31672724
50%

>>31669654
It has already dropped to UU last gen

>>31668954
>| 1 | Landorus-Therian | 46.48363% | 401758 | 26.127% | 341287 | 29.714% |
R E M O V E

>>31672724
Smogon's most common response to that is that "literally overused =/= broken".

It's not new, people were calling for a blissey ban in gen3 for the same reason, it didn't happen, obviously, blissey was overused because it blanket checked half the damage spectrum but it wasn't irremplacable or difficult to muscle through, just like gen6 Lando did.

Now, whether the added versatility of Z-moves breaks the comparaison between the two is the real question, IMO.

>http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-01/gen7uubeta-1630.txt
> | 52 | Kommo-o | 4.19669% | 3632 | 4.694% | 2709 | 4.474% |
| 53 | Decidueye | 3.85722% | 4150 | 5.363% | 3298 | 5.447% |
| 54 | Dhelmise | 3.79086% | 4609 | 5.956% | 3654 | 6.035% |
| 55 | Araquanid | 3.76536% | 5440 | 7.030% | 4295 | 7.094% |
Who is gonna be the first one among them to drop to RU?

>>31668967
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoRsm7Jj2gI
have fun with your cucked tier

>>31669733
Z-hypnosis Xurkitree is actually not a bad meme set.

>>31669036
But anonymous, Landorus T obviously isn't as centralizing as Garchomp was, DUH

>>31669036
Garchomp was really fucking broken, EQ/outrage/fire blast-fang pretty much 2hko'd or less every single mon in OU.

Ironically, deffensive lando quickly became one of garchomp's best check when it came out.

>>31668911
---- + ------------------ + --------- + ------ + ------- + ------ + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon | Usage %
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---------
| 1 | Landorus-Therian | 46.48363%

Good meta

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>>31668954
>>31672833
Landorus Therian now has 1,5 times the usage Garchomp had in gen 4 shortly before he got banned

What went right

>>31669704
Nope. That thing's a monster in ScoliPass teams, which are super easy to get wins with.

>>31668911
>OU Usage:

>| 88 | Decidueye | 1.05453% | 42000 | 2.731% | 30609 | 2.665% |
> | 96 | Primarina | 0.90371% | 29903 | 1.945% | 22146 | 1.928% |

Didn't people agree that best owl had no place in OU? Or did they finally find out a niche for him? Because in UU the usage for them is comppletly bonkers:

>UU Usage:

>| 10 | Primarina | 10.89330% | 7492 | 9.682% | 6058 | 10.006% |
>| 53 | Decidueye | 3.85722% | 4150 | 5.363% | 3298 | 5.447% |

>>31669639
Good to see the regular old Mence back in OU

Guess a strong Flying STAB is all he really needed

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it's time for another version!

>>31670401
He never said that Tapu Koko can't do shit to Landorus, work on your reading comprehension you Mega-Retard

| 6 | Primarina | 9.10199% | 20283 | 8.730% | 16087 | 8.883% |
| 16 | Azumarill | 7.30979% | 14863 | 6.397% | 11446 | 6.321% |

I thought it was new toy syndrome, jesus christ.

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Wow those bans from uu really fucked ru completely

>>31672929
It IS new toy syndrome. This is just a new toy that refuses to drop down to NU.

http://www.smogon.com/stats/2017-01/gen7pokebankrualpha-1630.txt

>the highest silvally is ranked 135

JUST

>>31672939
I always found everything below UU to be extremely frustrating to play due to constant drops and raises that throw the whole tier upside down

>>31672967
So much for Silvally being the UB slayer.

>>31672966
Yeah the numale owl is pretty garbage.

>>31672967
These stats are now pretty much completely irrelevant due to >>31672939

>>31672967
PU is already ready to welcome most of Silvally forms

>>31672966
>still being this salty
Pathetic.

So Mega Charizard Y is OU now, eh? Makes me feel a little better about getting my Tyranitar BTFO by Solar Beam

>>31672966
I'm sorry you're still angry dude, next gen maybe you'll get more lucky

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>| 117 | Braviary | 0.91244% | 1799 | 1.141% | 1385 | 1.103%|
>| 118 | Talonflame | 0.89240% | 1635 | 1.037% | 1261 | 1.004%|

Jesus fucking christ.

>| 452 | Illumise | 0.00042%
>| 453 | Silvally-Bug | 0.00041%
JUST

>>31673010
Talonflame got way too much bad press for the Gale Wings drop. It will be okay in RU once the meta stabilises.

>>31673011
Illumise at least has the Prankster Baton Pass niche

I have no idea why would anyone ever use the Bug Silvally, and what for

>>31672982
>Kingdra coming to UU
Primarina is gonna be pretty nice against that, isn't it?
>>31673010
>>31673011
kek

>>31673010
Amoongus has higher attack than talonflame

>>31673010
>b-but Talonflame will still be viable in OU! Talonflame has great speed and won't need Gale Wings anyway!

>>31668946
>let's push everything with less than 600 to UU
It's happening.
>Kingra
It's kinda always uu
>mantine
It's a shitmon and it's returning when it belongs, will drop even harder when people finish to realise how shitty it is.
>clefable
Again a shitmon that got lucky with the fairy type and good abilities. Now that they nerfed its main ability it's returning into the cloaca where it came from in xy.

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>>31673010
guess he was right. i do miss the fucking bird.

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>>31673050
>Now that they nerfed its main ability
No they didn't you fucking idiot.

>>31673073
Nerfed indirectly.

>>31673090
How the fuck is any of its abilities nerfed?

>>31672872
Baton Pass is banned in UU. Expect Decidueye to drop next month

>>31673131
T-wave nerf is the only actual nerf to clef that I can think of.

>>31672800
all of them at once hopefully

>>31672872
owl has always had a niche in trap+turn or pass in OU. Its simply not strong enough for OU and UU (no baton pass hurts).
Primarina is just ridiculously good in UU. Wallbreaker that can switch in on most of the tier no sweat.

>>31669639
nice work bug pals

What happened with Volcarona?

>Very used in BW OU
>Suddenly almost not used in ORAS OU
>Suddenly, very used again in SM OU

How would be the metagame with Landorus Therian being uber?

>>31673386
better

>>31673367
No Brave Bird, Lele and the fact that Lando-T can't afford to run Stone Edge. Also Z-move lures

>>31673367
see
>>31673010

>>31673398

I'm seeing almost all Landorus-Therian having Stone Edge because muh Z-Rock move

>>31673406
I'm talking about defensive which is the best gluemon in OU

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R8 my team. I know it's not very good in OU but I tried to be original since all of these are my favorite pokemon.

>>31673367

talonflame leaving helped volcarona a lot

>>31673413

Is 2 tapus on a team really a thing, or is this just a meme

>>31673473
its really a thing

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Get ready for this faggot to die as soon as Marshadow is released.

>>31673406
Huh, I keep seeing them with either Rocky Helmet and Stealth Rocks set or obnoxious Swords-Dance sets with Flyium-Z.

>>31673473
>not having all 4 tapus on your team for maximum tapu

>>31668911
>Kingdra and mantine UU
The momment GF release swampertite in gen 7. Rain team will dominate once again.
When is pokemon star/eclipse/planet coming???? REEEEEE

>>31673563
>Not having 7 spots in your team for 3 genies and 4 tapus
Wew kid, it's like you don't know how to have FUN

>>31673529
Marshadow is going straight to ubers

>>31672895
I CAME HERE FOR THIS

THANKS BASED ANON

>>31673661
Yeah but you're not really making full use of that set unless you're constantly u-turning (NEVER USE VOLT SWITCH THAT DIRTY MAROWAK WILL MESS YOU UP BAN THAT SHIT SMOGON), that way your opponent will never know what you're doing

>>31673673
Of course goyim, battling for smogon points is for plebs, battling for memetum is the real patrician choice.

>>31668911
>previous S-rank is UU

Dear God

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>>31669639
>Salamence re-overtaking Dragonite in usage

I am sad

>>31673751
That's what happens when Metagross is freakin' everywhere.

>>31668954
Is there a good answer against healthiest genie that's not your own lando? I want to use a team without him and I need a way to kill it no matter what.

>>31673806
It's not like Metagross wasn't a thing last gen

>>31673814
It wasn't run as much because you didn't have the Tapu's centralizing the meta

>>31673806
Your best bet is in bulky water types

Like the 2nd most used mon of the meta. Nothing can always secure an OHKO unless you're running a scarf Weavile or something but thats a dumb

>>31673806
I see Lando finally getting the boot this gen, since it got a good Flying STAB that hits even resists like a sack of bricks. Like M-Lucario, it can run a bunch of sets that can't really be dealt with until it already reveals a move.

>>31673827
Didn't Megagross almost get the ban tho?

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>>31673932
>Like M-Lucario, it can run a bunch of sets that can't really be dealt with until it already reveals a move.
tfw lando switches in on your speedy pokemon and you figure it must be a scarf because you could ohko him with that pokemon so you switch out and he does a swords dance

>>31674001
It was suspected when ORAS was still pretty new. I don't remember the final vote, though.

>>31673231

Maybe he's one of the people who thinks unaware got nerfed because of the text change.

>>31673814
Back then, Mega Scizor was the best mega and it stopped Metagross cold. Nowadays Mega Scizor is bad outside of stopping Metagross so most people just don't use it.

>>31674100
Why is M-Scizor bad now?

>>31674108
It can't set up effortlessly on a lot of the tier. Things it used to wall blast through with Z-moves, it can't sweep with Swords Dance and Bullet Punch because Lele is everywhere, tons of people use Magnezone to trap steels and it gets hit bad by that.

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>>31674033
This nigga hangin on by the skin of his teeth.

>>31674298
>when the mods are more ban worthy than the mons

>>31674361
Well, Metagross never diddled underaged girls. Unless Tapu Lele counts.

>>31669088
Or ice type Pursuit

>>31673529
Ash-greninja outspeeds and OHKO it with hydro pump though

>252 SpA Choice Specs Greninja-Ash Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Marshadow: 331-391 (103.1 - 121.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>31674378
what's the story?

>>31674581
that account was eventually found out to be one of jared from subway's alts

>>31674581
a few smogon mods were banned for being child predators on pokemon showdown

Can't wait for M-Mawile and M-Beedrill to be available.

>>31668971
smogon is choking on his cock still

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>>31674682
Well shit.

>>31674836
>145 base speed
>Poison STAB with Adaptability bonus
RIP fairies

>>31674919
I really want Fell Stinger to become a viable fourth move as a revenge killer.

>>31668967
What are you hoping to see banned from RU? Im sick of Togekiss personally.

>>31674991
Togekiss already got the boot.

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THE NEW OU EXPERIENCE

>>31674919
As long as Lele remains in OU Megagross will remain the superior Fairy killer

>>31675179
>pheromasa
>not some joke about needing a scarf despite its speed

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>>31675179

> Clefable
> Pinsir

Thanks anon, I was waiting for this.

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>>31675179
>that Clefable

>>31675179

>That Salamence

>>31675179
Huh, wonder how much longer Pelipper will last in OU. At least it got a chance to do something with its existence. Granted, it'll remain fucking cancerous all over the damn region til we move onto next gen.

>>31675521
It'll probably fall off eventually but it'll always have a niche in OU, it just won't be OU in usage. It'll be banned from UU though.

Requesting new UU experience pic

>>31675521
Once the remaining Megas are out, most of the things the top 40s will most likely drop to either UU or BL.

>>31675207
>Pheromosa
>Choice Scarf 39.899%
Y tho

>>31675969
beast boost doesn't consider items so it lets her be super fast but also boost her attack with a ko

>>31675969
Because other people started running choice scarf on things to handle it, so people got the bright idea to run choice scarf on it to handle things running choice scarf to beat its speed, and then people realized if they have choice scarf on it, they can afford an attack nature and things snowballed from there

>>31675969
Lele has killed Priority, so speed has become even more important.

>>31675179
2/10, apply yourself anon. None of these are funny or clever at all.

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>>31676010
Honestly, this speed creep is so insane. I've seen people using Swift Swim Floatzels just to counter that crazy speed.

gigalith in ru? nice, time to break out normal sandslash

>>31676132
You can always go for Trick Room. This gen added so many things for that niche playstyle that is more viable than never before.

>>31676101

Try to do your version then. At least that anon tried.

>>31676101
Some are pretty funny.

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>>31675179
I changed Skarmory.

Can't wait until Pelipper drops to UU and I can dominate the meta for a few days with my rain team until they quick ban Pelipper.

>>31676612
They'd probably quickban Drizzle first.

>>31676623
But Politoad is "fine"

>>31674108

Lele. The whole point of using Scizor is using priority. Can't use priority when Lele is everywhere.

>>31668911
Out of the top 10 pokemon
>7 are legendaries
>1 of these are megas
>1 is a pseudo mega
>1 is a pseudo legendary

OU has gone to shit.

>>31673010

Talonflame didn't deserve this.

He really was the hero we needed, but the one we don't deserve. I'd much rather deal with Gen 6 Talonflame than the clusterfuck that is Gen 7 OU.

>>31674682

>tells a 9 year old to suck his dick
>then when he gets banned, later messages said person and threatens her to get him unbanned over "law mumbo jumbo" basically saying he will "sue her for defamation" (which is fucking ironic because he's doing the very thing)
>he claims he was the one who was framed.

what a scumbag.

>>31677251
What happened to him in the end?

>>31677265

still permabanned.

He also did the Mad Thad Special and "later claimed it was a joke"

>>3167289
>>31675179
When did tangrowth get buffed

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>>31668954
80% usage by April and NEVER leaving.

>>31677459
gen 5

>>31677459
Regenerator in gen 5, Assault Vest in gen 6, and no birdspam in gen 7.

>>31677459
Around gen 5. If it wasn't for a random dude trying Tang for the lulz around the ORAS metagame, nobody would've realized its potential

>>31668954
Chompfag tears taste delicious. Nice to see ma boi putting in work.

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>>31677560
>Chompfag tears taste delicious.
>implying all the people who want lando banned for overusage are just garchomp fans

>>31669088
I'm surprised this hasn't been made yet considering how much Rock and Ice have in common.

>>31668954
how the fuck is a pokemon good enough to be on nearly half the teams not banned???

>>31677587
Primal Groundon had like 80% usage in Ubers and never got banned.

>>31677575
Who said I was implying that?

>>31677550
>Around gen 5. If it wasn't for a random dude trying Tang for the lulz around the ORAS metagame, nobody would've realized its potential

I was using it on OU since X and Y, I'm sure it just got the right niche

>>31677587
Because it's not overpowered, it's just versatile/adaptable.

>>31677613
An argument could be made that it's overpowered now that it got Supersonic Skystrike.

>>31669124
How? Primarina is fine from where I'm standing.

>>31669420
By that logic (just about) every OU Pokemon would be getting banned.

OU is centralization the tier.

>>31677645
>OU is centralization the tier.
>seriously thinking this when Ubers exists.

>>31672605
3.4% means it's down to UU, from there if the UU leaders deem something too strong it gets shat back up to BL.

>>31669639
>Salamence moved from BL to OU

I thought Dragonite was always considered the better choice because of its ability to setup easier? Why is Salamence more used over Dragonite now?

>53 | Decidueye | 3.85722% | 4150 | 5.363% | 3298 | 5.447% |
>54 | Dhelmise | 3.79086% | 4609 | 5.956% | 3654 | 6.035%

Which one is leaving UU first now that Tsareena beat them both? Place your bets.

>>31677683
One DD into a supersonic sky strike with moxie means it can snowball.

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>>31672895
>Right here Excadrill
This gave me a giggle.

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>>31672966
>It will be cucked and outclassed by Azumarill

I remember when people were implying that. Oh the irony.

>>31677662
Well Smogon does say that something gets banned from OU when it's OVER centralizing so...

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it's time for meme

>clefable
>not OU queen

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>>31670173
>>31670239
A post-Lando-T meta would be interesting to see. How many things does Calrissian keep in check? Does Megagross get the boot if everyone's favorite genie is banished to the Desolate Land of Ubers?
>>31670343
>>31670358
>One Stage Attack Drops
That actually might be a neat name for a band.

>>31673790
Me to

>>31673661
RIP Wind Genie

>>31673814
>>31673827

What really pushed Megagross is the speed boost. It really benefited from the immediate speed boost.
As would M-Diancie, if they ever released her.

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>>31679150
Best one yet, good shit

>>31679150
I like this one the most so far.

>>31679178
Would Mega Diancie with the New and Improved mega mechanics be enough to push garchomp into uu or bl?

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>>31673010
>despite all the anti priority mechanics introduced this gen, they STILL castrate my bro

HE DIDN'T DESERVE THIS

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>>31679150
>MEHOY MINOY

>>31679272
Why would it?

>>31679325
Mega Diancie now outspeeds Garchomp turn 1 unless it's scarf chomp

>>31679431
>Garchomp gets one new check
Totally UU

>>31677040
>>31679284
>IT DIDNT DESERVE IT
Yes, it did.

Priority 120BP, 180 after STAB
Priority roost

Fucking christ.

>>31679555
It didn't.
If you couldn't handle Talonflame you were a fucking scrub who deserved to get swept by it.

>>31679555
No it didn't.
Talonflame was good, not OP. And Tapu Lele was enough anyway.

>>31679555
>less attack than meganium
it sure did

>>31679994
Call me when Meganium has a 120 bp physical move, oh wait you can't


You do realize 120 bp scales much better than having a slightly higher attack right?

Higher BP >>> Attack stat

>>31675820
>It'll be banned from UU though.
They'll just ban Drizzle from the lower tiers like always.

>>31680082
Meganium does have a 120 bp physical move.
It's called Outrage.

>>31680164
I meant a stab anon, don't play dumb.

>>31680082
This is true, a good example of this is Victini. A Physical Fire-type with Flare Blitz would need 175 base Attack to hit as hard as V-Create does with no boosts.

>>31680193
It's also why Liquidation Araquainid hits like a truck, because its ability boosts the base power of the attack not Araquainid's attack stat

>>31680248
>4 Atk Life Orb Abomasnow Ice Shard (80 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Abomasnow: 148-175 (46.1 - 54.5%) -- 57.8% chance to 2HKO
>4 Atk Life Orb Huge Power Abomasnow Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0- Def Abomasnow: 148-175 (46.1 - 54.5%) -- 57.8% chance to 2HKO

>>31676505
Rip mantyne

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>>31679150
Finally a decent one. They're usually so awful and obvious, like that one last thread.

>>31668954
>70% of OU matches have at least 1 Lando-T

>>31682766
That's not how usage stats work

>>31682779
it's 46% chance per team, since there are 2 teams the chance of a game having at least one Lando-T in it is 46% + 46% of the other 54%.

>>31679150
only changes i would make based on other ones i've seen

>mecha diancie for magearna
>mega mega beedrill for pheromosa
>tfw to intelligent for my own type for protean greninja
>*unsheathes self* for kartana

Meanwhile in RU
>Cloyster
>Darmanitan
>Entei
>Espeon
>Heracross
>Machamp
>Fucking SLOWBRO
Am I really seeing this shit right?
Has the powercreep really gone this far?

>>31677685
Decidueye won't be leaving. He does Tsareena's roles and jobs better, which UU players will soon realize.

>>31683978
Hawlucha

>>31673050
Yeah, tapus and UBs are sub 600, most of the tier is. Stay retarded