>this is the only NPC in Alola to have a full team, postgame

>>31583113
Yeah I hate how Kukui was such a special snowflake. Gladion and Hau should had 6 pokemons.

>>31583113
red and green

>>31583259
>the very first game in the franchise did it so it's okay
Take off the goggles for one second and just accept that SM are flawed games, please.

Well he IS the champion in spirit

>>31583316
I think he meant those trainers had full teams, you mexican retard

>>31583336
This actually

>>31583335
You know I think it would be justified if the champion pretenders had 6 pokémon each. I'd even go a limb and say that the E4 should have 6 pokémon for the rematch

As far as regular NPCs go, while I prefer a trainer with one strong pokémon over a fisherman with 6 magikarps, I think most trainers should have more pokémon. At least an average of 2~3 pokémon

>>31584439
>I prefer a trainer with one strong pokémon over a fisherman with 6 magikarps

Too bad SM had trainers with the equivalent of 1 magikarp instead

And the problem is not even not having that many 6 mon random chump trainers. The other games didnt had a lot of them either, just a bunch. The problem is the humongous amount of 1-2 pokemon people even in the last quarter of the game. That's just bloody ridiculous

>>31584461
>>31584461
Yeah I can get behind that one. I think by the third island all trainers should have at least 2-3 pokémon, and 3~4 pokémon by the 4th

>>31583113

>postgame

Wait, dince when did gen 7 have a postgame?

>he actually wants each trainer to take so long to defeat that they completely outwear their welcome and have no personality because you've seen their pokemon 50 times on the same route already
Why do you hate fun?

Anyone can take every trainer and add a few pokemon. Doesn't make it good.

>>31583113

Someone should count total pokes and total trainers and then give us a pokemon per trainer ratio.

inb4 1.2

>>31583113
Morimoto

>>31584520
Sun/Moon probably have the best post-game of any paired versions, maybe tied with DP or BW. Strictly inferior to any third version tho

>>31584527
Why do we have trainers at all by that logic?

>>31584533
B2W2
XY
GS

>>31584542
Because there's such thing as a healthy balance. No random scrub trainer should have more than 3, 1-2 is a good level.

>>31584543
>XY
>IMPLYING

>>31584533
WHAT postgame? Literally a couple of poni areas, the battle tree, and 6 copypasted missions. That's it. That isn't hard to top and every game in recent memory tops it

>>31583113
>kukui
>Red
>Green
>Dexio
>Morimoto

It's definitely not got the least

>>31584547
If I want to fight one dumb pokémon at the time, might as well just skip the trainer intro and go into the tall grass.

Also trainers having more pokémon as the game goes on also helps with worldbuilding. Pretty much every trainer in Alola is a pansy-ass scrub that can only handle one or two pokémon, witho you being the super genius able to raise 6 at the time

>>31584542
to be balanced and not expend 2 hours to get to the next city

>>31584556
>half an island to explore
>Battle tree
>Looker quests
>legendaries to catch
>Zygarde quest and other small sidequests to finish.

It's not much by any means, but then again RS had as post-game Battle Tower and catching legendaries. XY had ONE city with a Battle Tower clone, legendaries and a much worse Looker mission, and ORAS pretty much had no post-game areas but had a shit ton of legendaries. BW and DP had some extra explorable areas, legendaries and a BT

SM is not comparable to BW2, Emerald or Platinum, but if fares pretty well compared to paired versions

>>31584586
>and a much worse Looker mission
You literally CANNOT get worse than "oh no my head hurts are you okay boss? well this time we have the ultra beast X, there are Y of them and they are in Z area, go catch them thanks good job let's celebrate with food" six times

>>31584527
>he actually wants a game to be a game and be challenging instead of every trainer being a shittier tall grass battle that awards you more xp and money

gee what a faggot right he totally hates FUN

who the hell actually want to have pokemon battles in a pokemon game after all right?

>>31584586
In SM, you run around collecting 100 fragments so you can use one pokemon in its special form.

In XY, you run around collecting mega stones and each one of them lets you use 25 pokemon or something in their special form

Zygarde """mission""" a shit.

>>31584604
Yes you can. See the XY Looker mission and the pointless chase for a homeless girl

>>31584624
vp will defend that just because the girl is cute

wait, that's also the reason why vp is defending the SM UB quest

>>31584624
You mean the much better mission that actually has substance as opposed to the same mission copypasted 6 times so game freak can fit in the pokemon that they failed to incorporate into a shitty story.

SM has the worst post game mission since the advent of post game missions.

>>31584629
>wait, that's also the reason why vp is defending the SM UB quest
guzzlord isn't cute

>>31584633
He is, but everyone is creaming over the new worse Anabel just because MUH PONYTAIL

>>31584631
>substance
Just admit you fap to Emma porn or whatever her name was and be done with it

>>31584640
I never have

And that isn't even the issue. The issue is that SM essentially only has one post game mission. It's the same one 6 times with a few text replacements and a slightly different exposition each time. It's not hard to top. Anything can top it. The XY mission didn't have to be stellar to beat a lazy copypaste job.

>>31584629
vp will defend anything if its a cute/hot girl with long blonde hair

lillie is cute, but she was shit. worse than hau, even. one good scene showing an ounce character development does not make for a good character.
lusamine was bad villain, her goal was nothing short of stupid
cynthia is boring and dresses like an autistic otaku highschooler
korrina has a bad hairstyle and good lord that lucario shilling

>>31584639
ponytails are ripe trash

>>31584940
>cynthia is boring and dresses like an autistic otaku highschooler
oh god thanks for this post

i thought i were the only one in this entire board that thought Cynthia was boring overrated trash

>>31585117
Everyone hates cynthia now even if they didn't already because she inexplicably turns up in every single game

>>31584658
Not saying that S/M's was good,
but the fact that the Looker missions took place in the poorly designed shitshow that was Lumiose City automatically makes it the worst.

>>31585227
That's why gen 6 has the best games. No Cynthia.

>>31585227
/vp/ still loves cynthia and think she's an interesting character (aka pretty blonde with big boobs)

>>31585227
In terms of relevance to Pokemon, she's fucking Jotaro Kujo. Gratuitous appearances everywhere.
...Except Jotaro started out shit and gradually became better with every appearance, while Cynthia started out great and degenerated to shit.

>ITT: catty girls attack cynthia for being popular

>>31585312
she's as popular as crasher wake
as in she isn't, but the producer likes him/her so he shoves them whenever he can

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>>31585312
Nigga, what the fuck you sayin'
There are no girls on the goddamn Internet, get that through your thick head

>>31584639
girls in suits with sexy gloves > whatever the fuck she was wearing in gen3

>>31585333
>literally kirigiri: pokemon edition
stolen designs are bad

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>>31583113
wrong

>>31584566
>If I want to fight one dumb pokémon at the time, might as well just skip the trainer intro and go into the tall grass.
Fucking this, holy shit. Why do people not understand this.

From a design standpoint the Pokemon trainers on a route should be like mini-bosses of sorts (gym leaders/totems being full-on boss battles). If Trainers are just going to be normal battles with a flashy intro and extra EXP then there's no point to them.

>>31583113
Is this Nintendo's way of telling us that kukui will be ash's final challenge in the pokemon leaug. It's like when the student vs the teacher kind of thing. But there is one problem with kukuis team. He's actually missing one in the anime. The starter. Which one will he get to counter ash.

>>31585479
No, they should be there to give slightly more challenge by being higher level and also give more EXP.

Their main flavor function should be the comparison between what they say and their trainer class vs what their pokemon is.

If whiners on /vp/ had their way and every trainer had 3+ pokemon they would be back complaining here within a week over how tedious the game is now.

>>31585514
People already complain about the game being tedious now exactly because there's so little to do and all trainers are tall grass fights that take slightly longer to finish due to the intros

try agan shithead

>>31585514
I'm not saying they should flood the game with trainers with 3+ shitty filler Pokemon, but all these scrub trainers with 1 or 2 Pokemon without even some kind of noticeable synergy between them need to stop. It's fucking lazy design and it shouldn't be defended. It doesn't even make sense in-universe if you're going to go for the lore argument, because why would people like the Elite 4 trainers not have full teams?

A lot of people praise the Lurantis battle but the core of that fight is pretty much two Pokemon (Castform/Lurantis) and that by itself is challenging enough. They clearly know how to make decently well-designed encounters so we shouldn't make excuses for the ones that are shit.

>>31585540
>I'm Ace Trainer fuckface, i'm one of the strongest trainers in all Alola and i'm here prepping on Poni Canyon to take on the E4, face me and my single Passimian!

There are people that seriously defend this

I can't even compreheend.

>>31585558
The only reason why this could be the case is
>hurr durr I'm on a vacation I don't need that many pokemon :)
And even that's a stretch because, like you said, E4 challenge and all that.

>>31585558
>I'm professor fuckface, i'm the strongest trainer in all Alola and i'm here to see if you have what it takes to be champion, face me and my team that you surpassed in 50 hours of playtime!

the only normal trainer to have 5 pokemon is the skull grunt on poni lol

>>31585691
and only because it's supposed to be you facing all the grunts at the same time so basically five people with one pokemon anyway

>>31585514
Considering up to like Gen 5, trainers with several pokémon were the norm you're full of shit

>>31584554
It has far less postgame than XY anon.

>>31585730
>XY
>No postgame legendaries
>A battle house
>Nothing else
???

>>31585706
I was so upset that it wasn't a horde battle. ORAS added 2 horde trainer battles and the second one had the Intimidate x5 strat

>>31585740
>looker quest
>zygarde
>mewtwo
>birds
>maison (with more content than the tree)
>friend safari
>sushi roller
>chateau rematches

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>>31585750
"strat"
I just so happened to be leading with a Competitive Milotic...

>Morimoto

>>31584586
>some pretty basic areas which there was no legitimate reason for them not to put in before the league
>copy pasted Battle Maison again but now in a tree
>shitty quest of "there's a UB here go catch it and when you've done there will be another"
>get 100 cells, scattered all across the region with no indication of where you would find them, and no way of knowing if you've even got all of them in an area, some of them appearing only at certain times of day

Great postgame

>>31584560
legit forgot about Red, Blue, and Morimoto, but Dexio only has five.

>>31584560
Dexio has five, you can't fight red and green in the same game just like you cant fight Dexio and Sina

>>31585412

>Getting the file name wrong when the proper way to spell it is in the fucking photo.

>>31586622
I have dyslexia, don't bully

>>31583123
>has 6 pokemon
>snowflake status
Umm, I know that these newer games don't do it a lot. But I don't think he's a snowflake

>>31583113
>>31584629
>>31584639
>>31584940
>this thread
>anyone being surprised that SuMo has the most hated cast of characters and character designs in the series
Not surprised that the Sonic 06 of Pokemon would steal character designs from other IPs.

And yes, they did fucking ruin Anabel because SuMo is just that shitty that it has to ruin previous entries in the series. Maybe the Sonic 06 of Pokemon is too generous.

>>31587422
These newer games don't do it at all. That's why he's a snowflake. No matter how boring or uninteresting you are, if you can count on your hands the number of people smart enough to realize "wow i can use six pokemon at once!", then yeah they're special snowflakes alright

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>31587541
>It's the Sonic 06 faggot again

>>31583113
It's a game aimed for kids, Red and Blue were the same. you just enjoyed it because you were a kid.

>>31587566
not an argument, see >>31583316

>>31587566
>Red and Blue were the same
No, they didn't.
Just because you're underage don't think you can post "red and blue did the same!!!" and have everyone biting it

For starters the fucking elite 4 had full teams like they needed to

>>31587541
>wake up
>get out of bet
>get coffee
>stretch arms
>boot up PC
>crack knuckles
>time to post about sun moon and sonic 06

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>>31587559
>>31587615
All I did was point out that SuMo not only has no good characters, but also had to ruin characters from previous generations with shitty ripoff designs that nobody on /vp/ likes.

>31587630
At this point you only are looking for (you's)


And baiting in /vp/ is so easy with call S/M SuMo and ussing buzzword, better back to /v/ kiddo.

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>>31587685
Try speaking English next time you brain damaged cuck

>>31587719
>nintendo baiting starter kit

>>31587719
keep trying asshole

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>>31583316

lmfao
take that dick out your ass

>>31587549
Everyone knows they can use 6 Pokemon, but the ingame excuse is that it takes a lot of effort and skill to raise more than two or three Pokemon.

>>31587869

Probably because you play as the only train with the brains to use an exp share? It's nearly effortless and takes no skill.

Having 5-6 well trained pokemon is treated as being difficult to do and is usually meant that you were a exceptionally gifted trainer(much like getting all 8 badges in general), which is why Cool/Ace trainers, Veterens, and Gym leaders/e4 were usually the only ones with full teams in past gens. No excuses for the challengers/rivals/gyms/e4/Aces/veterens of this game.

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>>31584639
>new worse Anabel just because MUH PONYTAIL

Wasn't she Lookers boss during the UB mission even though she at least half his age, has less experience and not even from this universe? What the fuck is this shit Japan?

if everyone else can't use 6 pokemon but kukui can that makes him a snowflake

but generally the champion is a snowflake because they're the champion and so they're supposed to be

even though kukui isn't technically the champion

>>31583113

Number of Pokémon are irrelevant if they are strong

5 is fine especially since the game is meant to have your team vs very strong Pokémon

>>31588467

Nanu all but outright says the IP promoted her right past him so they can get her into a position of being UB bait.

>>31588467
>>31588836
Never question the depths at which this game will go to ruin this series.

>>31584639
>>31584940
>>31585385
Absolutely this. The defense for SuMo character designs is just sad now. Just see this thread I made >>31588923. Nothing but cucked whiteknights

>>31584629
>>31584639
>>31584940
>>31585117
>>31585227
>>31585245
>Tumblrinas assmad at girls prettier than them.

I'm not surprised at all.

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>>31588836
>>31588873

I'm more concerned why she isn't trying to get back to her universe unless I missed such a line.

who am I kidding, this was GF best excuse to reintroduce a side character returning normies and casuals have probably never heard of. Bringing her from another Universe, bending the post game side plot around her and then having her do nothing, and then she fucks off.

There was a time when I wrote off any dumb shit that happens in japanese games as details getting lost in translation, nowadays the translations for these games are better than ever and I'm forced to accept that our japanese overlords can even write a childrens game without an asinine plot.

>>31585385
>if she has a somewhat similar color palette it's mai waifu from trash game #325
yeah no

>>31589268
they're also both detectives

>>31589308
wow truly i am convinced, even though she existed years before that they somehow copied some random anime waifu?

>>31583316
>being this retarded

He meant that Red and Green have full teams.

>>31589418
I'm not saying she copied anything but the Anabel from Emerald was completely different both in looks and personality than this new anabel so her existing "before" doesn't mean shit

>>31583259
It would be the Kantofags/gen 1fags that also get a full team.

>>31584631
Holy shit this! Everything should've been handled on one island instead of having me jump around the place for something that could've easily occurred on just one island.

>>31585909
>some of them appearing only at certain times of day

Aw hell no. I didn't even know this shit.

>>31584622
Oh no! Did Zygarde get cucked again!?

>>31589600
tfw can't tell if you're serious or if you think that the fact the missions took place on different islands makes them remarkably better

>we are never getting another NPC like Veteran Shaun
Why did GF become so lazy?

>>31585250
Cynthia was never great. We've never seen any development from her.

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>>31585250
jojofags plz go and stay go

>>31585896
Kek.

>>31587566
Masuda has already said that Pokemon was never aimed at children specifically.

>>31588786
But as I recall most trainers near the end barely have even 3 Pokemon.

>>31589688
That's not what I said retard. Now try reading my post slowly this time.

>>31589852
>what is sarcasm

I don't see a problem here. Even I only had three pokemon in my party when I beat him in the league.

>>31589699
What's so special about this trainer?

>>31589884
>three pokemon
what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>31589870
>Pretending that he was being sarcastic

Kek. That wasn't sarcasm. That was either you being stupid or reading my post too fast.

>>31589884
Kek. I had six Pokemon by the time I got to that place with the beach and where Lillie talks about clothes.

>>31583316
And this is why we shouldn't name characters after their games

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>Kukui
>Red
>Blue
>Morimoto
>the player
>all of them have a connection to Kanto
Really gets that braincell bouncing.

>>31590130
GEN WUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>31589897
He's an otherwise ordinary post-game trainer in BW / B2W2 who has a full team of six pretty strong Pokémon.

Pic related.

sean pls go

>>31589932
Let me spell it out for you

>Holy shit this! Everything should've been handled on one island instead of having me jump around the place for something that could've easily occurred on just on
>what's with this post?
>it seems overly enthusiastic
>as if it's mocking the position it on the surface supports
>as if it's.... sarcastic....
>as if what it's actually saying is that it would be a BAD thing if they all took place on the same island
>as if what it's actually saying is that people who have a problem with the mission must want their hand held so they never have to leave a single location
>as if it's actually... it's actually saying... that the mission is... good?

>>31584529
I actually want to see this for every gen. Mostly out of genuine curiosity.

>>31590406
No I was saying that there was no need for the game to drag me to the different islands of Alola just to do virtually the same shit I did on one island before. In what way did that sound like sarcasm to you? Because I said "Holy shit this!"? Hell, I even made a topic about a week ago stating that the UB mission was trash because it was basically repetitive nonsense.

>>31590471
I'm crunching the raw numbers right now, starting with gen 1. Also, bump.

>>31585234
Still isn't as lazy and half-assed as SM's, which already makes it better by default.

>>31590471
>>31590812
OK, I finished the raw count for RBY. There are a total of 340 trainer battles available in the game, and those battles throw a total of 844 Pokemon at you, for an average count per trainer of 2.48. 2 and 3 were the most common numbers, but there was more variety in the numbers for individuals as routes progressed; some routes had trainers with as few as two Pokemon or as many as five. The last two rival battles, and one random Magikarp fisherman, were the only battles to throw full teams at you.

>>31590130
>gen 8
>gen 2, gen 3, gen 4 and gen 5 doesn't exist anymore

>>31587719
for 2017, the biggest blunder was you still being alive.

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>>31589706
People talk about character development in Pokemon as grounds for whether or not the character is good, when no character in the games have ever had decent development. The pinnacle of story in Pokemon was Gen 5 or villains/rivals realizing the error of their ways.

>Character appears during the story 3 or 4 times and gives you a few words of wisdom and an HM or a task to do without actually helping or shedding light .
This is not character development. It is only screentime.

The way I see it, characters like Cynthia are just as bad as characters like Diantha in terms of story. More screentime does not instantly make a character good or better by comparison. Without proper story or development, it's the job of the character's design, background, personality, goals, and quirks to make them interesting. Which Cynthia lacks.

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>>31591475
Cynthia is best waifu though.

>>31583316
Next you're gonna tell me you can make juice out of an orange but not an apple

>>31591498
cynthia or severa best daughterus

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>>31591526
this is best ship

>>31590985
The raw count for GSC is complete. On the road to become Johto champion, there are 230 trainer battles with a total of 510 Pokemon, for an average of 2.22 Pokemon per battle.

The Kanto section of GSC also contains 109 trainer battles with a total of 268 Pokemon, for an average of 2.46 Pokemon per battle. The Trainer House is not included in this count, as the battle there varies in Pokemon count based on player interaction (if you include the Trainer House at default values, we're at 110 battles against 271 Pokemon, which isn't enough to significantly change the average).

If we total the Johto and Kanto sections, we get the same 340 trainer battles (this number does include the Trainer House at default stats) against a total of 781 Pokemon, for an average of 2.30 mons per fight.

>>31587719
Why is BotW a blunder? The only thing I can think of is that the world looks empty which is a pitfall many open world games fall into, but that isn't necessarily game-ruining.

Not that it matters as I feel Sun and Moon are the best games since HGSS, so your opinions likely will be pluses for me or outdone by whatever good the game does, but I'm curious.

>>31589007
>saying this when Tumblr loves Cynthia and Diantha
Are you high?

I wish the games had a ng+ or something where you start off with access to your league party and everything is way harder like higher levels, more mons, more evos, better tactics, then around 4th gym you gain access to your PC including Pokemon you caught up until then and the difficulty goes up again

>>31593840
And I don't mean making it harder ala everyone has 6 Pokemon like the fisherman with 6 magikarp