2 more uu bans

>>31541596

I am not antismogon but I feel they are banning too much

>>31541635
dont worry this is just cleaning up UU

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>>31541596
>Breloom higher than uu for once
about fucking time my grass/fight bro got some recognition

NO
STARAPTOR IS REALLY BAD IN OU AND NOT THAT GOOD IN UU
RU SUITS IT PERFECTLY
JUST LET IT DIE, LET IT DIE, LET IT SHRIVEL UP AND

>>31541649
>for once
?

>>31541596
God this isn't ORAS UU anymore, adapt to the new meta Christ

>>31541666
I remember breloom being UU or RU most gens for whatever reason even though sub punch poison heal was always a thing

>>31541649
He has been OU since RSE

>>31541672
They banned Gyarados and Salamence so your argument doesn't apply

>>31541646

there is nothing Breeloom could do against Dhelmise, or even something like Vileplume.
He also has shitty speed and defenses.

>>31541596
Why do they insist on putting them in Borderline? Just fucking put them in OU since that's the only meta they will be used in.

>>31541649
>higher than uu for once
>about fucking time my grass/fight bro got some recognition
lay off the mushrooms, breloomfag

What all is in BL now?

>>31541700
Salamence was BL by the end of Gen 6

>>31541678
You remember wrong. Breloom's been OU every gen until this one.

>inb4 Just make a BL tier! that happens in every thread
Every pokemon currently in BL is completely viable in OU. There's zero reason to make a tier.

>>31541744
thats why you have other Pokemon the help out breloom

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>>31541774
Because Smogon tiers are based on usage?
And they aren't used enough to be naturally put in OU, but leaving them in UU would completely fuck over that tier?

>>31541774
>I don't know how usage based tiers work!
BL is a banlist for UU, for mons too powerful for UU but not used enough to be OU.

>>31541774
As long as the tiering system works through usage, they can't.

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>>31541826
Oh shit you're right. I haven't played UU in a while. Doesn't change the fact that they refuse to ban meta defining mons like Azumarill, Bisharp, Staraptor, Togekis and Keldeo which isn't even considered for a ban

>>31541899
They weren't broken in UU when everything else was in the tier

>>31541956
What the fuck is that universal "do not" on bish? I was certain he'd be absolutely busted in UU, huh.

How many Pokemon are in BL currently?

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>>31542019

>>31541596
So let me get this straight

OU is allowed to radically change but UU isn't?

>>31542060
no, you didnt get anything

>>31542060
Not even close, try again

When the dust settles, who will be left as king of UU?

>>31542059
>Kyurem-B, Breloom, Serperior, and Scolipede are all BL
ayy that's like a third of my competitive bros

>>31541774
>people STILL don't know how smogon's tiering work
Come on, it's not that fucking complicated.

>>31542112
Decidueye. He even has an extreme amount of usage in high ranked UU.

>>31542060
As long as the new pokes can't make a whole tier confetti (and said tier can't adapt to it), there can be some changes.

>>31541678
>I remember breloom being UU or RU most gens

Is this what they call mandalay bay effect

>>31542060
UU is ran differently than the other tiers. UU ban things if they might be a problem, then retest them later. OU (and other tiers) test things to see if they're a problem, and ban them if need fit.

>>31542185
Why do people use it when Baton Pass is banned in UU?

someone can explain me why kingdra is OU now?, some z move drizzle combo im unaware?

>>31542059
>tfw when nobody will ever use Weavile

>>31542304
Pelipper

>>31542304
Pelliper got Drizzle, and Pelliper has a lot of utility unlike Politoad.

>>31542304
Swift Swim.

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This is killing my hype for the gen 7 UU. It seemed like it could've been a stall-less gen 6 OU with the added bonus of no lando-T, instead everything is getting banned.

How much longer until pic related gets banned too?

>>31542576
>complains about le stall bogeyman
>doesn't want gliscor to get banned
?

>>31542615
gliscor isn't stall, its the exact opposite, its a stall breaker

>>31541973
One more cycle, since they keep banning his checks

>>31542112
Bisharp since all fighting and fire stab are going to be banned in UU

>>31542621
Gliscor is extremely stall. Just because it has SD doesn't justify poison heal, roost and a defensive spread

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>>31542683
poison heal is there to circumvent stall, dummy. It can't get statused or worn down, so it sets up and fucks stall. A defensive spread is there for when your opponent sends in an attacker or hits your with that one random coverage move you didn't see comming.

>>31542703
He's right you know, just because he can run a stallbreak set doesn't mean he can't run stall as well

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>>31542866
Well, yeah, sure, but by that logic anything remotely bulky is stall, since everything can learn rest and toxic.

Just because it can, doesn't mean it has to. The most optimal set was a stallbreaker set, so that's the roll it goes for most of the time.

>>31542001
the game got more fierce and sucker punch was nerfed. also tsareena kicks it in the face.

>>31542114
>a box mascot is my competitive bro!

never speak to me or my smogon metagame again

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>>31541774
>>31542060
>>31542576
literal retards

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>Tangrowth is still OU-only because of it's niche roll

>>31542914
btw i suck

>>31542930
>roll

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>>31542928

>>31541649
Cringey facepalm

>>31542930

You act like that's bad

>>31542930
>niche

Nigger, Tangrowth is amazingly versatile and splashable. In fact it should be used more, not less.

>>31542930
A fair number of pokemon are OU because of niches. Magnezone is just a slow special attacker outside trapping steels

>>31543096
I like how it took three gens for smogon idiots to realize this

>>31543216
Maybe because tangrowth was legit bad before

>>31543116
I could see magnezone work without magnet pull if GF finally gave the magnemite line its damn deserved levitate

>>31543224
Before what, exactly

>>31543257
You were implying that tamgrowth was a good pokemon before recent

>>31543257
before regenerator and the rise of physical threats

>>31543257
before knock off boost and sets with assault vest

but even so, I still don't really think it should be OU-only

>>31543266
Physical threats have always dominated the smogon meta. Like since RSE

>>31543304
I should've specified, ones tangrowth doesn't get fucked by, which aren't that many given its lackluster typing.

>>31542879
Stallbreaker
A Pokemon that immediately threatens stall not for breaking down walls, rather for preventing the Pokemon commonly found on those teams from executing their standard strategies and thus hindering or entirely shutting down the team's defensive core.
Gliscor has all of the necessary tools to be an effective stallbreaker, in particular Taunt, Roost, high Speed, select immunities, and an excellent STAB type.

>>31543379
thank you anon
Now watch UU ban it and have it stay in BL hell for the whole gen like staraptor did gen 6

>>31543543
But gliscor is actually viable in OU.
BL is only hell if the UU mon is completely unusable in OU.

>>31543543
It really is a testament to how good staraptor is that it can't stay out of BL for any significant length of time

>be UU tier leader
>play exciting 252 turn match in OU against stall player
>want to bring the same type of fun and joy to UU
>decide to ban every good offensive Pokemon in UU

>>31543675
Yeah man, it's not like these offensive threats were also raping offense.

>>31543713

I don't play UU, I was just making a joke, friend :)

>>31543583
problem with staraptor is that there are plenty of other OU mons that fill its niche so BL is worse for it than for the others which do have a niche, its just not popular enough to be directly OU

>>31543713
Its sort of an issue they brought onto themselves.
The serperior ban, the dragon's bans, and thundurus' ban all feel like they could've been avoided had weavile not been banned.

They keep banning the counters to newly brought in pokes, expecting these to somehow not rape the meta

>>31543814
well, that was gen 6 when mr bravest bird rules the meta. Now that he's gone and isn't comming back, wouldn't scarfed staraptor be good? specially considering how buzzwole and pheromosa are running rampant

>>31543814
Yeah, all he can do is hit things and plenty of OU's can do that. I'm just impressed that it's so good at its job it's still in BL

>>31543835
You might have a point if Weavile itself wasn't also raping the meta.

>>31543907
they should give it a bit of time to see if weavile actually becomes a horrid threat

I mean, people though pheromosa was gonna get quickbanned to Ubers, but she's seeing less and less usage lately right? if you give people some time they can easily come up with many ways of countering, specially for something as straightforward as weavile.

>chimchar used mach punch!

>>31543835

it seems to me that the UU council is banning too aggressively, so instead of allowing the meta to reach an equilibrium and banning what's clearly broken, they're banning things that they think are too strong for UU without acknowledging that the level of mons that are in UU is higher than last gen because of power creep.

it would be like OU banning pheremosa within three days of the tier being made because they didn't think the meta could handle it, even though now that the meta is settled down a bit pheremosa is no longer seen as being broken

>>31543939
Wasn't Weavile in UU for more than a month?

>>31543982

no, weavile was banned with the start of UU beta, the first official iteration of the tier

>>31542669
Ape and Luke are coming for his ass as soon UU settles.

>>31543814
Staraptor would have more usage of he had more utility outside of Choice items, SD alone would kick him into at least B- Tier OU.

>>31544281
yeh but sadly there's no bird-specific boosts

>>31544000
UU beta was preceded by a month of UU alpha so there definitely was more than enough time to analyze the effect of Weavile on the meta.

>>31544546
Z Mirror Move?

>>31544799
Oh wow it does learn mirror move. That's pretty damn scary

>>31541596
At this point they really should make a new tier to replace the borderlines. The higher the Pokémon total becomes, the more we're gonna need it.

>>31544929
And what would this accomplish exactly?

>>31544929
Not this shit again

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>>31541649
>pretends breloom is his bro
>knows jackshit about his competitive history

>>31544868
The problem with Z-Mirror Move is that it fails if used during a switch and only a retard would stay in at -1 against a Staraptor.

Maybe Smogon should wait a while before they ban dozens of Pokemon from UU.

Maybe Powercreep has made them the new UU and they should just accept it.

>>31545928
UU bans aren't like OU bans. They ban stuff now and then test it later. OU does the opposite.

>>31544929
Nah
http://www.smogon.com/dex/sm/formats/bl/
http://www.smogon.com/dex/rs/formats/bl/

>>31541596
>breloom in BL
r e d e m p t i o n

>>31544929
>>31541862

>>31542059
>victim of new toy syndrome
>muh rocks
Diggersby tho
Dragon Tales
almost as good as Mega
worst box legend
I'm seriously surprised that PoryZ is only UU usage.
minmax'd Dragonite
All I can here is "remove Tapu" being repeated at an increasing speed
The table has Overgrow in the HA column, unless they're making a statement.
>which end of the chocolate coronet do I bite into first?
The strongest musketeer
>Genie! For my third wish, I wish to be an all powerful metagame
Best bug
>too bro for this tier

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pls don't ban me, I just want a home

I want somewhere I can belong

>>31545833
Or something that gives no shit about physical attack.

>>31546034
>BL since inception for 4 gens straight

Being Staraptor is suffering

>>31541744
>What are other pokemon
Breloom is my favorite mon, once it starts sweeping it can be very hard to stop. Even shit that resists it can't handle too many bullet seeds.

>>31542906
literally the worst box mascot, if we're excluding gen 1

>>31545928
They would if there were powercreeped walls in UU to ensure balance wouldn't get fucked by all these attackers, the only defensive pokemon in BL is Megabro. Mega Aggron and Quagsire can only do so much.
Real talk, I wish there was a Heatran-lite for UU, Fire/Steel is a great type combination.