What main points would you put in this sheet /vp/?

Genwunner pandering

Genwunner pandering

>>31538974
Removes features people liked for no reason

Horrible competitive balancing

Less than 100 new pokemon per gen

>>31539013
which ones

Waifufags pandering

>>31538974
Fucking incompetent, using complex methods for simple problems, removing features to quote unquote keep older games unique, the list goes on.

Consistently removing move tutors at the start of each generation

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>Overall power creep. Some argue it started with gen 4, but it became really apparent with mega stones, particularly in ORAS with Salamence and fug.
>Adding in mechanics that make life just generally easier, then taking them away later. See dexnav, hordes, restaurant, friend safari, PSS, etc.
>Fixing what isn't broken. See Festival plaza and cycling infinite loops.
>Adding in things that people have been asking for for YEARS, such as player customization or allowing pokemon to follow you, then making them siginificantly worse (for the former) or removing them entirely (For the latter)
>Pandering to gen 1 in a gen 7 game, effectively clogging encounter rates with pokes we've seen a thousand times before and spiking new pokes encounter rates in turn. See Pelipper/Raticate vs almost every gen 7 poke in SM.

And that's just off the top of my head.

No item bank while not releasing all old mega stones and no way to restart a game and keep event z-crystals

>>31539025
Underground
PWT
Rematches
Dex Nav
Poke Finder
Dream World / Dream Balls
Super Training
PSS
Infinite Egg Loops
Frontier
National Dex
Following Pokemon
Hard Mode
Event Pokemon with Event Locations

Literally nothing wrong with gen 1 "pandering", one of the most iconic games in history.

>>31539077
This, and the best dedign

>>31539077
Dude
if I want to play gen 1
I play fucking gen 1

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>Fanservice everywhere
>Forcing pokemon bank down our throats each new installment as a paid method to basically just get your shit back from a previous gen because suscriptions are anual
>pandering to gen 1 nostalgia every fucking game
>Festival plaza
>Poke pellago

>>31539077
>20th anniversary
Celebrate Pokemon as whole? Nah, fuck that, let's just focus on Gen I. We want the normie audience

>>31539066
Don't forget things like O-Powers, the Amie minigames, multiple rods, hordes, infinite apricorn balls, and move tutors in every gen's first pair.

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>>31539077

>There's nothing wrong with gen 1, so let's just put most gen 1 pokes in every fucking game to the point where oyu'll see them more than anything else

Kay.

>Tries to balance out an OP type (Dragon) by introducing an even more OP type (Fairy).
>Somehow incapable of making a pseudo legendary that isn't Dragon type.
>Shoehorns Normal onto nearly every Flying type, even Swablu, which embodies clouds and has nothing mundane about it at all.
>Keeps dragging around 800+ Pokemon instead of rebooting the national dex to remove the severely outdated and badly designed Pokemon that nobody likes.

>>31539077
People like you are the reason why this franchise is stagnating. GF shower Gen I and Kanto with praise and almost completely forget about the other gens and regions.

Megas were a mistake

>>31539157
>wanting to retcon a Pokemon
>ever

>responding to complaints people have with games by removing shit entirely instead of fine tuning it
i miss water routes and caves

>>31539202
caves started becoming less a thing since gen 5 and gen 6 and 7 caves are a fucking joke

No bicycle
No roller blades
Have to fish in set locations with one rod where each and every rippling pool has magikarp

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The removal of PSS,arguably the best use for the touchscreen we had for online conectivity for festival plaza and we get instead a shitty overworld map and a pokedex that won't shut up and only says useless stuff

>>31539013

This. This needs to be at the top.

>>31539224
The roller blades were kind of cancerous IMO. I'm thankful that ORAS allowed you to walk and run in any direction with the circle pad.

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>>31539056

>He doesn't use one game for his playthroughs and one for his main save

Seasons were cool, but I can see why some people didn't like it

SOS was a mistake

>>31539251
If XY wasn't some weird pseudo grid based system then they would have been fine.

>>31539303
And if you were able to run in tall grass with the circle pad.

>>31539013

Also:
>Keeping features nobody liked

>>31539287
You can bet that SOS battles will be one of these

>>31538974
GIMMICKS THAT KEK EVERYTHING

>>31539154
The gen 1 Pokémon are the solid base with loads of common animals and RPG tropes, they're the cake and newer Pokémon are the icing, you can't have icing without cake man.

>>31539157
>He doesn't know about Metagross

>>31538974

IVs.

>>31538974
>instead of fixing old problems an easy way, they fix it by forcing you to jump through dozens of hoops
>only postgame is battle tower/subway/maison/tree in every game
>HM's stuck around for as long as they did and they'll probably bring them back
>move tutors are just a glorified single use TM
>cant use bank to move items
>Huge bias towards anything from Kanto
>wingull is everywhere two gens in a row
>megas dont get to hold items and are one per team. This would be all well and good, but Primals aren't counted as a mega, and M-Rayquaza, the strongest mega, doesnt even have to hold an item
>Bike/Ride music almost always has priority over any other music
>pokemon with the Earth Ribbon cannot be traded over GTS
>horrible at optimizing the engine
>one item pocket that holds about 80% of the items in the game, because having a separate pocket for Pokeballs is so hard
>hahaha i dont really know

>>31539007
>>31539010
Came here to post this.
Also favoritism in general. See Grenigger.

>>31539479
Also Mewtwo and Fuckzard

>>31539077
It's on VC now, just go back and play it. Go on, I'll wait.

You won't because they're shit.

Hyping up VC RBY Pokemon transferring only for it to be fucking nothing.

>>31539339
>Implying SOS battles weren't one of the best new features introduced
I still want dexnav and PSS back though

20 years and Ice still doesn't resist anything but itself.

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>>31539425
>he doesn't know about Tyranitar

>>31538974
Status quo

>>31539535
It was horribly implemented.
Either no reinforcements even with adrenaline orb or every single turn so you get fuck all chances to throw a ball.
The time it takes for reinforcements to arrive is just slightly shorter than watching your children go from primary school to college graduate.
Oh no, two (2) Pokémon on the screen! I can't fucking throw my ball! Though admittedly that was not introduced with SOS battles.
Rollover after 255 chains. I mean, in 2017. Really.

>>31539066
And don't forget super secret bases

>>31538974
Incompetence
Laziness
Greed

>>31539050
>Pelipper/Raticate
Pelipper is gen 3 and new to many normies. Raticate had a new form, so it's pretty much gen 7

>>31539593
>Rollover after 255 chains
Remember when even 30 year old games like Zelda 1 knew well enough to not set your Rupee count to 0 if you grabbed a rupee at 255? I dont code but i cannot imagine making it cap off is hard at all

>>31539511
Replayed Red in 2011 and I still found it more enjoyable than anything pre-Gen 5. Catching 151 on a single cart is great. VC version is shit because it isn't Stadium compatible; Bank can get fucked. Regardless of how shit it is it doesn't change how iconic the games are. The new pokemon designs in 2-4 were mostly shit to the point GF did a soft reboot with 5 to get out of the rut. Which helped tremendously, but the backlash to Gen 1 mons being unavailable ultimately resulted in "pandering" that continues today.

>>31539564
Shit, and he used to be one of my favorites, too, unlike that asshole Metagross. Poor chap's too irrelevant these days. Tyranitarite never.

>>31539632
>The new pokemon designs in 2-4 were mostly shit
>5 [...] helped tremendously
???

But 5 has literally the worst designs in the series. And some of the best, sure, but almost all of the worst.

>>31539066
>Underground
It's a Sinnoh feature
>Rematches
Fair point
>Dex Nav
The pokenav is exclusive to Hoenn trainers
>Dream World / Dream Balls
Unova thing
>Super Training
Slow af. People even complained about it back then. Plus here is a way faster method now
>PSS
Fair point
>Infinite Egg Loops
Would look like shit in SM
>Frontier
>PWT
It's called Battle Royale and Battle Tree. Maison before that
>National Dex
For what purpose anyway? You got your mons
>Following Pokemon
Fair point
>Hard Mode
It's called Exp. Share and it's even more accessible now
>Event Pokemon with Event Locations
Fair point

>>31539618

Even if you're limited by your architecture you just need to create a separate INT variable to record every value from 256-510 (and another for 511-765 and so on). There is no excuse.

>>31539699
Not really. If you compare the designs with the designs of the other gens (especially gen 1) then most of the designs are average or great.

>>31539713
This is like the whole Focus Energy quartering your crit rate in gen 1. It's not intended, it's clearly a big.

>>31539699

Please give examples so I can point and laugh at your shit taste.

>>31539425
>>31539564
Both over a decade ago

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>>31539593
>Rollover after 255 chains
The chain resets? What the fuck?!

>>31539632
>Replayed Red in 2011 and I still found it more enjoyable than anything pre-Gen 5
I replayed it last year and it's the only game I can't derive enjoyment from. All the others still hold up.

>Catching 151 on a single cart is great.
But you can't do this in Gen 1. I don't understand.

>VC version is shit because it isn't Stadium compatible; Bank can get fucked.
VC version is exactly like the original. How is Stadium even relevant?

>Regardless of how shit it is it doesn't change how iconic the games are
True, not disputing that.

>The new pokémon designs in 2-4 were mostly shit to the point GF did a soft reboot with 5 to get out of the rut
The fuck? Gen 5's "soft reboot" had nothing to do with pokémon designs, what are you on about?

>the backlash to Gen 1 mons being unavailable ultimately resulted in "pandering" that continues today
Said "backlash" always comes from the same people that stopped playing back then and insist there are only 151 pokémon. GF just panders to try and cash in on that sweet 90's nostalgia money. They can't keep it up forever and it'll blow over.

>>31539699
Gen 5 has some of the best designs and the others range from good to poor. Palette swap monkeys aside, it's nowhere near close to scraping the bottom of the barrel. Look to gen 4 for that. And Gen 1 to an extent.

>>31539771
Yep, at 256 the shiny rate/better ivs/higher HA chance is reset to normal.

>>31539618
It should goes something like this (I don't know the Pokémon coding)

> Start SOS
> Create a variable counter like sos_counter at 0
> if a reinforcement was called...
> if sos_counter >= 255, then do nothing (so the code don't have to restart everything again and keep the value at 255)
> if (for some reason) sos_counter < 0, then set to 0 again.
> if none of the conditions above is true, then add +1 to sos_counter


even if the code is potentially breakable, you can add a conditional order when the reinforcement enters, so you can keep the value of the variable between 0 and 255.

LITERALLY NO EXCUSE GAMEFREAK IS RETARDED

>>31539706
>It's a Sinnoh feature
>Unova thing

Just like customization was a Kalos thing and Apricorns were a Johto feature?

>It's called Battle Royale and Battle Tree.

At lest in previous generations they were kind enough to go easy on you on the first couple of matches before rising in difficulty.

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>>31539706
>national dex has no purpose
>following pokémon, fair point

See me after class.

>>31539706
>It's called Battle Royale and Battle Tree. Maison before that
I don't remember either of having rentals, type specific matches, allowing you to swap mons, a maze, A survival game, a mode that rates your play style, one on one matches and a mode that lets your mon fight based on their nature.
Just to name a few.

Seriously though the Royale, Tree and Maison are nothing like the PWT and Frontiers.

>For what purpose anyway? You got your mons
One, common sense.
Two, to keep everything organized. Do you know how fucking tedious it is to organize a living dex when half of the mon have the regional dex numbers?

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>>31538974
Revealing too much from trailers

>>31539964
That's more TPC than GF ain't it?
That said there wouldn't be a problem if there was something of worth in the games.

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>>31539077
>>31539092
I know you guys are pretending but come on

>>31539559

thats fine, because Ice is an offesive type, like Rock.

It's just that Gamefreak contines to make s slow defensive Ice types after two decades.

Create awesome lore for legendary Pokemon

>Rush it into next game
>Make the last form gimmicky and cannot be kept permanently

Fucking whyy

Game Freak are incompetent, they couldn't even fucking fit Kanto in GS and had to get help from Iwata.

>>31539830

>being surprised at Japanese Bethesda's incompetency.

>>31540084
>don't create lore at all
To this day I still don't know exactly what a Volcanion is and I couldn't care any less.

>>31539015
But it's not a competitive game. They'll never get rid of the luck.

>>31540105
I don't mind event Pokemon that much, but I wish Volcanion had a more interactive event instead of just being mentioned by text.

The worst offender in recent memory is Zygarde, we could of had a Z Episode and it fighting the UBs. It would fit the lore perfectly since Zygarde is supposed to protect the ecosystem and the UBs are not native to the poke earth or whatever we can call it.

And also, how Zygarde was shoved into SM was just baaaad, including its last form.

>>31540172
It's pretty bad, but at least Zygarde has lore to speak of. Seriously, what's a Volcanion? Does it even have fans that like it for anything other than design and typing? They gave us absolutely no reason to care about the thing, it's legendary because reasons.

A return to Gen 3-4 style events would be ideal, but even the Gen 5 giftmons had a little event to go with them. Hell, Hoopa and Diancie too, to a lesser extent. Volcanion (and Magearna, for that matter) had absolutely nothing. "Here's a mythical mon", uh, okay, why is it a mythical? What is this thing?

Marshadow will probably get the exact same treatment, knowing GF, and I will proceed to not give a single fuck about it as well. As much of a missed opportunity as I think it was, I actually like Zygarde.

>>31539632
I wish Gen5's model of "you have to use the new regional mons prior to postgame" had been the standard for the whole series.

>>31538974
>removes features every Gen so they can try hyping up bringing them back later only to remove them again
>Ignores and sometimes actively spites the older non-Genwun fanbase ("Battle Frontier Project coming soon!")
>adds more and more handholding each Gen, reaching its current apex with SM
>this is part of the first issue but not having diffuclty options to mitigate the games getting easier
>gets increasingly jewish each Gen with shit like Pokébank

>>31539479
Favoritism is not bad if done right. Greninja is a case of favoritism done right. You're probably a shitnaughtfag anyway, so your opinion belongs in the trash.

>>31539706
I didn't know Game Freak employees posted on /vp/.

>>31540243
Hoopa had the ORAS legends coming out of portals.

>>31540243
Gen 3-4 events were top tier. Deoxys especially, shame the Mew event in Emerald is Nippon exclusive though..

Zygarde is pretty much a victim of bad timing, if Gen 6 was released earlier, we'd probably have a Z version in our hands and an actual Complete Zygarde thooo, pretty stupid to implement top tier lore, but not use it. Zygarde Complete VS Xerneas & Yveltal might now forever be a dream and never reality. Another thing is the whole ability slot thing, if Zygarde is supposed to stop Xerneas at least, then it requires its Complete form AND Aura Break to at least take a few Moonblasts, which it can't in its current state. It handles Yveltal pretty well thanks to Thousand Arrows

Marshadow got its own Z-move so that is at least something,

I like the design of most event mons, but it helps to have a reason to care for them, or something that makes the more unique.

>>31540330
Same. It's what I do anyway, but it gets harder and harder due to how few there are nowadays.

>>31540360
I know, it had the Bottle thing as well. Read more closely, I said Hoopa and Diancie had them too, to a lesser extent. Volcanion and Magearna are the ones that got fuck all.

>>31540363
>Another thing is the whole ability slot thing, if Zygarde is supposed to stop Xerneas at least, then it requires its Complete form AND Aura Break to at least take a few Moonblasts, which it can't in its current state. It handles Yveltal pretty well thanks to Thousand Arrows
Lmao, I almost forgot about that, that's pretty stupid as well.

>>31538974
No third gender options in game.

>>31540482
quality bait

>>31540482
You're not fooling anyone, Jimbo.

>>31540466
It's pretty much Game Freak in a nutshell, doing shit half-assed. All they had to do was to make Zygarde's Complete form changeable with the Cube, it could then keep Aura Break and actually do its role in-game too.

They buffed Arceus' Multitype to be compatible with Z-moves so there's always hope I guess.

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>>31538974

>>31538974
They ignore their fans and tend do the opposite of what people want. Both Pokemon wise and gameplay wise.

>>31539403
Not really. I doubt people would even like gen 1 if it weren't for them constantly shoving it down people's throats.

>>31540723
They should start to listen to their consumers, maybe we then finally gonna get a game with 2 regions in it. Not that they should take all advice from fans, but at least regard some of them.

I can't recall whether it was a video from GameXplain, but there was an interview with Masuda and Ohmori a Q&A I think and one of their answers were that they develop their games the "old fashioned way" and don't let their fans influence their games.

People don't like Pokemon because of the gimmicks, but for the Pokemon themselves and the concept of it. Pokemon being a household name is what also helps them sell their games, I hope that Masuda & co knows this.

>>31538974
Shit optizimation in Gen 2 gen 4 and gen 7

>>31539706
>It's a Sinnoh feature
Yeah, because Sinnoh is the only place where you can dig, right?
>The pokenav is exclusive to Hoenn trainers
Pokenavs are probably produced by a big company, it makes no sense for them to only be available in Hoenn.
>Unova thing
That's not a reason.
>Slow af. People even complained about it back then. Plus here is a way faster method now
Fair point.
>Would look like shit in SM
Fair point.
>It's called Battle Royale and Battle Tree. Maison before that
The Battle Frontier and PWT are fun and difficult. Battle Royal and Battle tree are just infuriating battles that rely on bullshit RNG to actually be challenging.
>For what purpose anyway? You got your mons
We didn't get new Pokedex entries, and we can only catch Pokemon from the regional dex in Alola. All other games had the Nat. Dex, why didn't Alola get one?
>It's called Exp. Share and it's even more accessible now
The game is still easy if you don't use the Exp. Share.

>>31539287
That's just reaffirming what other people have said. Instead of fixing a feature, Gamefreak with ruins it or just takes it out. Seasons would have been amazing if they changed monthly, or even bi-weekly.

>>31540994
But they did change monthly.

>>31540924
I wouldn't call the lack of Super Training and egg loops a fair point.
For the former we also lost the minigame as a form of content and reset bags. Not to mention it was still faster than the Pelago and far more precise.
For the latter, Sun and Moon already has shifting viewpoints so there was no reason not to add such an area.

>>31539132
>Poke pellago
Nah man, poke pelago is good, it works pretty good for farming berries in an easy way, it's also good for raising affection for those annoying max friendship evolutions and i can get some few cash items and evolutions stones, if anything i'm afraid it's gonna get removed next game because it's too good.

>>31538974
"Balancing for doubles", ruining both doubles and singles balance.

>>31541086
>it's also good for raising affection for those annoying max friendship evolutions
At the same time I could just pump it full of berries in like five minutes.

>and i can get some few cash items and evolutions stones
At random, where other games wouldn't have you waiting literally hours.

The only honest improvement the pelago brought was the fact you can get berries in less than a day.

>>31539403
That would be all fine and dandy, if not for the fact that there are over a thousand Pokemon in total, and only 151 of those are part of the first generation.
When there's more than six times more "icing" than there is cake, you're not eating cake with icing anymore, you're eating the icing like as the main point, and the cake is just below it.

Problem is, Gamefreak likes to pander to people who want to eat cake, and couldn't care less about their icing.

>>31539706
>exp share is hard mode
More like toddler mode with it on and easy with it off

>>31541117
>At the same time I could just pump it full of berries in like five minutes.
Hah!, i knew you would say that, but remember, to raise a pokemon from 0 to max you need like 40 berries, have fun farming enough berries for more than 1 pokemon without the pelago

>At random, where other games wouldn't have you waiting literally hours.
In this game you can still get them from other sources, the pelago is just that sweet bonus.

>>31541205
>have fun farming enough berries for more than 1 pokemon without the pelago
Which is why I said berries are the only improvement because you don't have to wait a day. Hell, I put that there because I was expecting this exact response. In any case berries are still a far better alternative to waiting on the Pelago especially since the Pelago can lower happiness if you leave the mon in over 24 hours.

>In this game you can still get them from other sources
Not really no. The cave is the only place where you can gain multiple of those items.

>removal of post-game content

Just give me a surprise area where we get to have a few unique ways of battling that don't just boil down to multi, triple and double.

Give us perhaps rentals, sprawling rooms, tournaments and the traditional tower mode all in one area?
like a battle frontier, but with online capabilities? Imagine online Battle Pyramid

giving lots of shit to japan and royally fucking the rest of us over

>>31539303
I still don't think I would have liked them in an overworld like Gen 7's. The fact that you have to let go of the circle pad and then move it again to avoid slowing down was shit.

>>31541343
>especially since the Pelago can lower happiness if you leave the mon in over 24 hours.
If you leave them there for a whole day then you deserve it, and remember that you can put some beans there to cut the time in half, you can easily just leave your pokes there and then go to sleep and in the morning take them out with their affection fully raised
If you think about it it's so much more easier and faster and less bothersome to just leave 5 pokemons in the pelago for the night than farming 200 berries and feeding them one by one and lowering their speed/Sp. def

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>>31539157
> that nobody likes
I guarantee you every Pokémon, literally all of them, even that one you're about to claim nobody likes as a retort, has fans and people who consider it their favorite.

>>31539788
>But you can't do this in Gen 1. I don't understand.
Technically you can with glitches. There's no Pokémon you can't get with the Mew glitch, besides possibly some glitchmons with impossibly high special stats.

>>31540083
A bigger problem, in my opinion, is that even offensive Ice-types get cucked a little since every almost Water-type in existence can learn a good Ice-type move, so they have that same coverage despite Water being much better defensive.

>>31541458
>If you leave them there for a whole day then you deserve it,
You do realise that people have other things to do than play pokemon right? Hell you could be playing other games.
And for an area that works in this way it's absolutely nonsensical to have such a punishment. I mean, the point is to have it do it's thing and you get back to it when you can imposing a punishment just defeats the purpose.

>and remember that you can put some beans there to cut the time in half
And in that time I could have evolved and bred those happiness Pokemon 50 times over without the potential for punishment.

>If you think about it it's so much more easier and faster and less bothersome to just leave 5 pokemons in the pelago for the night than farming 200 berries
Eh, it's far more quicker just to use the berries mostly because of the extremely high yield. Hell you could probably just do it the normal way before the Pelago is done.

>>31540084
>they couldn't even fucking fit Kanto in GS and had to get help from Iwata
That's not exactly how it goes. GS was originally going to only be Johto, but they couldn't even get THAT on the cart they wanted (keep in mind Japanese GS was only 1MB in size, not 2MB like the localizations). Iwata came in, and happened to do such a good job with compression that they had room to add Kanto on top of Johto. The reason Kanto-looks half-assed in GSC isn't because of cart space but because they already delayed GS multiple times and didn't want to hold things off any longer adding Kanto since this all happened late into development.

>>31538974
Poketch that thing was comfy

Let's see...
Gen one pandering,
Poor Handling of Types *cough* Fairy *cough*
THE LORE COCK TEASING!!!! this goes back to gen 5 with the "original dragon" (oh btw take a close look back at Drasna's chamber), X/Y with southern Kalos and the train rail that goes no where, and of course Zygarde. I mean why the hell would you prop this thing up so damn much only to not give it any story or game.

>>31541554
>You do realise that people have other things to do than play pokemon right? Hell you could be playing other games.
What kind of shitty weak argument is that?, if you have an appointment for the dentist at 4PM you just don't tell the dentist, ''uh sorry doc, i couldn't be there because i had other things in life, you know you could be doing other things too''

>And in that time I could have evolved and bred those happiness Pokemon 50 times over without the potential for punishment.
I didn't know you could evolve 50 pokemon while sleeping.

>Eh, it's far more quicker just to use the berries mostly because of the extremely high yield. Hell you could probably just do it the normal way before the Pelago is done.
Farming those 200 berries is gonna take at least 24+ hours and that's with the bean boost, getting 5 pokemon to max affection takes 12 hours with the bean boost.

No movetutors in first games
Add cool feature, remove it in next game
Not patching games, ever. LOL no new Megas in XY

>>31541711
>comparing playing a video game to going to the dentist

>>31538974
They care more about earning money and making promotion than they care about the franchise itself. Just look at XY, ORAS and Sun & Moon, they're filled to the brim with promotional material, and yet the actual content of all of those games are severely lacking. All three pairs of games have been criticised massively due to their lack of post-game content, poorly written characters and rushed story, and yet GameFreak still finds the time to force Gen 1 content into every corner of those games (Viridian Forest 2.0, Legendary Birds, Mewtwo, Kanto Starters, protagonists coming from Kanto, Lillie going to Kanto, Nugget Bridge 2.0, Alola Forms being exclusively Gen 1, and so on), make 5 event-exclusive mythicals, 3 of which have event-exclusive forms, 12 new Pikachu forms, fucking Ash-Greninja, 4 event-exclusive Z-Crystals and probably more that I can't remember on the spot, across both generations.

And the sad part is that this isn't even new. Every single Generation have had Kanto pandering. Every damn one. Gen 2 had Kanto in GSC, Gen 3 had FRLG, Gen 4 had Kanto in HGSS, Gen 5 had Unova be "the New Kanto" and its dex be heavily inspired by Gen 1, and now all this shit with Gen 6 and 7. We'll never get rid of Kanto.

>>31541711
>if you have an appointment for the dentist at 4PM you just don't tell the dentist, ''uh sorry doc, i couldn't be there because i had other things in life, you know you could be doing other things too''
Are you seriously placing a game on the same level of importance as a dental appointment.
One is regarding your health, the other isn't particularly important.

>I didn't know you could evolve 50 pokemon while sleeping.
That's the thing, I can evolve them while I'm awake and still have more than enough time on my hands.

>Farming those 200 berries is gonna take at least 24+ hours and that's with the bean boost
Dude, the bean boost lowers it to around 17 hours and a maxed out island has an extremely high yield. In all honesty, 200 berries is probably the minimum.

>>31541754
>Using ''i'm a lazy ass that can't be bothered to waste 2 minutes on checking things'' as an argument for why pelago sucks.

>>31541817
>Are you seriously placing a game on the same level of importance as a dental appointment.
It was a metaphor you dumbass.

And we could keep like this the whole day, but the point is that both, berries and the hot springs are valid options, but the hot springs requiere overall much MUCH less effort to max affection, unless you already have enough berries in hand.

>>31540546
Not even that, they could've just had Zygarde's ability change upon Power Construct activating.

>Instead of keeping features that should be staples of each game (Following Pokémon, the Run button from HgSs, PSS, etc.) and expanding upon them, they scrap them completely because they want each game to feel "different"
>Giving us Pokémon that we can fully train and raise (Cosplay Pikachu, Notch Pichu) and then literally stopping us from using them in another game because they can't be arsed port a few models over
>Remaking games instead of giving us sequels with brand new stories
>Not making console games like Colosseum where we can kick back and collect stuff for the main games while experiencing fun stories with unique gameplay

>>31540583
Needs "Apache Attack Helicopter"

No battle frontier

>>31538974
That they're a one trick pony developer that can't code their way out of a cardboard box

>>31542711
To be fair, that would actually be an impressive feat.

>>31540243
I was rather upset at how they handle these event legends. It is so anti-climatic to get an apparently rare Diancie from the delivery girl and some old bloke who has been looking for it for years shows up attesting to its rarity and stuff. The steady devaluing of legendaries really make me sad. They're just simply no longer as special as they used to be. And they'll continue this trend with delivery person for, who knows, Arceus and co later. It does not make any sense to me.

>tfw like greninja and chesnaught and I think delphox is decent
why cant we be friends

>>31538974
I don't know.
*laughs*

>>31539181
>not wanting meganium retconned out
>not wanting torterra retconned out
>not wanting samurott retconned out
>not wanting emboar retconned out
>not wanting chesnaught retconned out
>not wanting incineroar retconned out
>not wanting primarina retconned out
>not wanting garbodor retconned out
>not wanting vanilluxe retconned out
>not wanting flygon retconned out
>not wanting crabominable retconned out
>not wanting stantler retconned out
>not wanting goodra retconned out
>not wanting dragonite retconned out
>not wanting genies retconned out
>not wanting lake pixies retconned out
>having shit taste

>>31539077
True, the original pokemon games are iconic and having the occasional nod to the originals in newer games is actually pretty cool, or having fanservice entirely like having the original protagonists return.

But then there's overkill. Which is what gen 7 is doing. We get it, its been 20 years since you made the first games of the franchise, but you don't have to beat us over the head with it. At some point it feels less like "lets throw in a callback to the originals for our older fans" and more like "remember Kanto? Kanto was great wasn't it? Do you like Kanto? I love Kanto!"

>>31544158
Same anon here with a side note: The gen 1 pandering wouldn't be SO bad if they didn't focus specifically on gen 1 and gen 1 alone. What about the people who are fans of the other regions like Johto or even Kalos? Being the 20th anniversary game and all, it should've celebrated EVERY region, not just the first one.

>>31538974
>making shiny rates higher every few gens while introducing a new way to "chain" a shiny within a few mins with each game

if they were worth anything/had any feeling of accomplishment before they don't now. I remember getting at least an entire box or two of shinies from fish chaining/friend safari bullshit

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>>31538974
But, instead of complaining non-stop about how bad GF and SM are hoping for a better next game that will never come out, why not try to get more active and let those incompetent hear your thoughts...

>>31538974
it stinks! and I don't like them!

>>31544226
CONCRETELY

>>31544198
A bit off topic, but I would've loved having the 20th anniversary game be like Sonic Generations (Which was also a 20th anniversary game) of Pokémon, where each region and generation gets equal attention.

Instead, we got: POKÉMON SUN AND MOON FEAT. KANTO with special appearences from the rest of the franchise.

>>31544389
>Sonic Generations
That was the good stuff.

Too bad that Sonic this year is doing the same mistake as Pokemon - ignoring all the fans of a more modern era.

Never made new Pulse man for 3DS

>>31544465
Except upcoming Sonic games are looking really solid. I hated the older Sonic games but Generations might be in my top 10, and the new Generations looking one is probably gonna be good. And I think that Boom series or whatever is like a spiritual successor to Rush on mobile.

Just thinking of all the shit they get away with just frustrates me to no end. It hasn't gotten better in 20 years, why would anybody think they'd ever change?

>>31538974
The fact that they greenlit Primarina.

>>31544465
>ignoring all the fans of a more modern era.
There are two Sonic games this year anon. 2017 and Mania.

>>31544575
Considering Mania and the new Generations, it's 75% classic Sonic.

Classic Sonic has no excuse to appear on the new 3D game when he's already getting his own game.

>>31538974
Came here to post genwun pandering

Refusal to fix known mistakes across generations

Laziness in general.

>>31544465
>ignoring all the fans of a more modern era.
Good thing they don't exist then.

Alola forms were cool Gen I pandering I don't give a fuck

My biggest beef with them is putting unnecessary restrictions on things ex: only females can pass pokeballs, or if its raining you can't use sweet scent. Things that they wasted time adding into the game that only make it more annoying for players.
Also that they do things like waste game space and dev time on shit like the picture taking thing in sun and moon when they should have instead added some actual endgame content.

>>31544465
They're making a brand new modern Sonic game aimed to be released this year, what's the issue with Sonic? The only people who get cucked might be the Adventure fans, and for all we know the modern game might take Adventure elements.

>>31544069
>posts shit taste meme
>demonstrates shittier taste

?????

>>31545335
Your taste is completely shit if you don't think any of these should be retconned. No excuses.

>>31544069
>hating on Flygon
Why are Garchompfags so insecure?

Genwunner pandering

>>31545366
Flygon is objectively cool

>>31545407
>>31545467
>unironically retorting to samefagging
Pathetic.

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>>31539066
>Event Pokemon with Event Locations
Why do you want to ruin replayability

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>>31539077
obvious bait, but I'm still triggered

>>31544069
I mean sure we do anon. Most sane people at least. But if we open the gates then something great is going to be swept up in the commotion. Suddenly something like Golurk will vanish and we'll be left wanting. You know how these things are.

>>31545257
>and for all we know the modern game might take Adventure elements.
Taking a tiny bit of Adventure while most of it goes to the Mega Drive games is like saying that what GF is doing now is ok because you can catch a few Unova pokemon with Island Scans.

>>31539706
>Would look like shit in SM
Nothing looks more ridiculous than the autism box.

Kill yourself shill.

>>31539066
>no pokeradar in that list

just neck yourself

>>31545755
>while most of it goes to the Mega Drive games
Do you really think that's what happens? Generations is an outlier in regards to giving a shit about the classics, SEGA almost always ignores its strengths in gameplay. Even in Generations I don't find it as good as the Genesis days. Sonic Mania gives me the biggest boner as a Classic fan, though, which is to be expected when the people making it are the biggest Classic Sonic fans alive.

>>31545792
>Do you really think that's what happens?
Classic Sonic is in the game. Which means that half of the game will be in 2D. No boost, no stomp, no side-step, no drift, no nothing.

Classic Sonic is boring as fuck and I'm pissed that it isn't contained in that Mania shit.

>>31545831
Well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

>>31545407
>>31545467
Getting rid of Flygon makes perfect sense though. Flygon is just a shittier Garchomp with a tiny fanbase. It would be good business for Gamefreak if they retconned Flygon away, since it would mean that they have to spend less time trying to update every Pokemon for every future installment.

And be honest, nobody would miss Flygon.

>>31546346
I guarantee you people who otherwise have no opinion on Flygon at all would be up in storm if they removed Flygon, same for any and every Pokémon. There'd be a boycott if they started removing any Pokémon; not enough to actually hurt Game Freak much mind you, but the ruckus would be loud enough that Game Freak would immediately add them again next game.

>>31546368
>Game Freak would immediately add them again next game.
They wouldn't. And not just because they know better than to bend to the demands of manchildren. Actual children, you know, the main demographics of Pokemon, wouldn't give a single fuck if Flygon were retconned away, because as far as they're concerned it's just a Garchomp but uglier.

>>31546453
>as far as they're concerned it's just a Garchomp but uglier
Normal/Flying is one of the most common type combinations in the franchise and everyone has different opinions on what the best and coolest Pokémon of those types are. I'm sure there are kids out there who like Flygon but don't even know what a Garchomp is, since one of the most recent games released is a Hoenn remake, Trapinch is an easy Pokémon to find four badges into the game, and Gible is an SOS-exclusive Pokémon in SM that you have to specifically seek out to get.

>>31540924
>pokenavs are probably produced by a huge company
Actually we learn in game that they're produced by Devon corp which according to npcs in game is a family owned business and while it's doing well it's certainly not as large scale as silph co.

I really like SOS battles because I think it's a cool way to make certain Pokémon obtainable a bit earlier than they normally would be, or without having to go through as much trouble. However, I wish there was more you could do to get the Pokémon you want to appear. I'm sure that Gengar had a 1% chance of being called in the Thrifty Megamart.

What they should do is let you run from an SOS chain and have the benefits roll over to the next Pokémon you encounter (though encountering it would end the chain). That way you can get
>Guardian deities
>Legendaries
>Ultra Beasts
>Mythical Pokémon
>Gift Pokémon
>Island Scan Pokémon
>Wimpod, Minior, and Komala
with good stats and a higher shiny rate upon encountering one rather than hoping for the best.

>>31545831
>No boost, no stomp, no side-step, no drift, no nothing.
So you didn't play Generations then because not only did it have Classic with the Homing attack it had him learning the boost at the end too.

>>31546790
>not only did it have Classic with the Homing attack it had him learning the boost at the end too.
I'm working on 100% before killing the final boss on the PC version and Classic Sonic doesn't have any of those.

Though I do reckon that they gave him a Homing Attack on the 3DS version.

>>31546860
He learns it halfway into the 3DS version and on the PC/console versions it's a skill for getting the star rings on Planet Wisp.

And I said it had him learning how to use the boost at the end. As in it appears in the final cutscene where he performs a small air boost.

>>31542633
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>>31546764
>The First 4

>add new battle formats
>always without fail relegate them to a rare gimmick battle
I have never cared for alternate battle types, thanks in part to this shit. Imagine a gen where every battle format so far is included (except Sky Battles), with roughly equal spread (obviously sightly more singles than any other single format, and less inverse battles). They'd feel more legitimate and make the game more interesting to play through.

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>scroll through thread to see finished product
>one hasn't been made

>>31538974
Break the new games with an easily findable/correctable oversight when porting old pokemon in.

>>31541590
And we don't even get to keep the last form, which is fucking stupid, it also shits over the in-game progression and the reward for doing the quest should be Complete Zygarde itself, not fucking a temporary form changing ability gimmick

So much lore teasing regarding Zygarde and we don't even get to see it do its fucking role

>>31539706
You fucking mongoloid.

>>31542004
or just delete power construct from history and deploy aura break as the only and default ability that zygarde can have and make the cube do all the form changes

another thing gf could do with aura break would be to let it have the same benefits for zygarde as fairy/dark aura got for xerneas/yveltal by boosting zygardes ground or dragon type moves by 33% and still reverse the effects of fairy/dark aura

>>31553259
It'd be nice if Zygarde could also use Dark-type moves without having to worry about their power being reduced by its own ability.

>>31553436
Aura Break only reverses the effects of Fairy/Dark Aura so Zygarde itself got nothing to worry about, though I don't recall whether it actually learns any damage dealing Dark type moves

>>31538974
Forces short scenes for things like random encounters that add up over time obnoxiously.

>>31539077
Theoretically yes but it adds up over time.

>>31539077
Genwunner pandering, or any pandering to any single Gen, is fine in moderation but gets aggravating when done excessively, like what's been recent.

It's like eating your favorite food every single day without breaks, you get sick of it after a while.

>>31539148
But it's the 20th anniversary of gen 1

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>>31539287
>Seasons
>In Hawaii

>>31553466
It gets Crunch. If Yveltal and Zygarde are in battle simultaneously, Zygarde's Crunch will get weakened.

>>31553799
Straight from bulbapedia

Aura Break inverts the effects of Fairy Aura and Dark Aura: instead of multiplying the power of Fairy- or Dark-type moves by those Abilities' normal multiplier of 1.33, the power of moves of that type is divided by 1.33 instead, resulting in approximately a 25% decrease in power as long as both Abilities are active.
Even if a Pokémon with Mold Breaker, Teravolt, or Turboblaze uses a Fairy- or Dark-type move, the effect of Aura Break still applies.

Well that's not good for Zygarde-san, still why would anyone run Crunch on it?

constantly taking one step forward and two steps back
see pss and festival plaza

Most regular trainers have shit movepools and even shittier AI.

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>>31539066
>Dream World / Dream Balls
Dream Balls can make a comeback as a specialty item, but Dream World itself has become obsolete.

>Super Training
Made obsolete by Horde/SOS Battles and Pelago. All we really need are all the Bags back, single-Stat Reset Bags and an accurate EV-tracking system

>National Dex
Not seeing your point here; I'd rather have the non-restrictive Pokedex scheme that we have now

>Following Pokemon
Please consider the memory of the game and how many environment-interactive and presumably properly-scaled 3D models that would take in this day and age? The reason why it worked in Gen IV was that

>Frontier
Which facilities would people actually flock and come back to other than the Tower/Maison/Tree and the Factory, anyway?

>Hard Mode
There's gotta be some point in-game, maybe after the tutorial for babbys and the first Gym/challenge/whatever, that they can irrevocably change the difficulty of the main story, at least with respect to the Trainers and story events

Everything else is valid. I'd also add:

Pokemon Contests
Secret Bases

>>31540243
The mythicals have their lore explained in the movies, and since they get distributed with the movies in the first place, that's fair enough.

>>31540482
Did you notice since XY it doesn't ask you if you're a boy or a girl any more?

>>31554281
>Not seeing your point here; I'd rather have the non-restrictive Pokedex scheme that we have now
500 pokemon don't even have numbers

And you get no reward for fulfilling the American franchise's catchprase.

>>31554681
Does GF even know that catchphrase exists?

>>31554689
They would probably consider it dishonourable to know it

>>31554281
I have played the shit and would continue to play the shit out of the Factory, Pike, Pyramid, Dome, and Arcade. Arena and Hall are also decent.

>>31538974
VS seeker absent since DPPt

>>31554689
Masuda knew about "Hoenn confirmed" so they're not totally clueless about what goes on in the west. I would assume he knows

>>31554883
That's probably because at the time Hoenn was in crazy high demand and people were spamming his twitter.

>>31554614
If it's not in-game lore, it shouldn't really count. Putting aside the fact that I dislike intermedia lore and storylines anyway, most people don't watch the anime, and certainly not the movies.

Also, almost no one gets them at those events. Most people got Magearna through the QR code. And everyone outside Japan got Volcanion at a gaming store.

>>31554659
I know you're probably talking about actual new games, but they seriously didn't ask you that in ORAS? I can't remember.

>>31556290
The QR code was distributed via a trinket you got at the movies.
And how people outside Japan got them isn't very relevant. The entire idea behind their existence is movie distribution. The west only gets them because they already exist and everyone would throw a huge shitstorm if they stayed Japan-only. They'd never make multiple new mythicals every gen if it wasn't for the movie marketing campaigns.

>>31556338
>They'd never make multiple new mythicals every gen if it wasn't for the movie marketing campaigns

Didn't stop all the mythicals that came beforehand from having actual ingame lore.

>>31556385
No. But it's the reason they exist in the first place. They're made for the purpose of being part of the movie marketing campaign, TPCi are just shitty marketers they reduce it all to "hurr here's a context-less Gamestop event for a Pokemon you haven't heard of before", but that's on them, not on GF.

>>31539474
Honestly question: what would make a good postgame? The Frontier had potential, but at the end of the day everything but the Pyramid and arguably the Palace were just the Battle Tower with a gimmick slapped on top of it. And at this point I'm not sure how you could make the postgame last indefinitely without falling back to the basic Tower format.

>>31556495
>and arguably the Palace were just the Battle Tower with a gimmick slapped on top of it.
The pyramid was the only facility you used wasn't it.

>>31556495
Some more areas to explore in the postgame would be nice, as well as some minigames and new pokemon to catch, possibly even expand on stuff after the credits roll. SM only really had half of Poni Island and the UB quest, which was essentially Alola's version of the Looker quest.

It'd be nice to have more facilities, but those places basically force competitive thinking, which isn't for everyone. There's not really a perfect answer that'll make everybody happy, but there's something that can be done that'll make more people happy.

>>31556579
Tried them all, some better than others though most of them still follow the format of "Battle Tower plus X".

I'm still pissed about how badly they implemented the Battle Palace; not only does your Pokémon do nothing if you haven't given it at least one of each type of move category, which Nature corresponds to each AI pattern used is never explained and frequently doesn't even match the stats that nature benefits from most. If nothing else, they could've had it just pick a move at random if it couldn't find one that matched its nature preference instead of doing fuck-all.

You can't even trust it to pick moves that would be effective against a given type, so you end up with (as an arbitrary example) a Medicham using nothing but Psychic attacks against a Dark-type it could easily KO if it only used the Fighting-type attack it also knows.

Exploration would be nice, but since most Legendaries are part of the main story and they give you most of the good TMs by that point too, they can't really put much in them to motivate people to check them out. Even if they did, at that point odds are there wouldn't be anything strong enough to qualify as a challenge; at the minimum, it would require the game to make it possible to reach Level 70+ with much less grinding than usual. I can't really remember anything other than that one place in Kalos whose name I forget that would qualify for that, and even there you needed an item to pull their levels up.

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Not making more games like coliseum and xd. Seriously, why not?

>>31557262
The handhelds have 3D battles now, so there's no need for that.

I understand that's not the extent of Colo/XD's appeal, but that's probably how GF sees it.

>>31540546
They did?
WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T THEY DO THIS TO SILVALLY?
Why doesn't silvally even have a unique z move for countering legendaries and ultra beasts or something so it can fit in to its own fucking lore?

>>31557526
Because GF can't do anything right 95 in everything on-top of lack luster movepool makes it shit combine with the fact Gladion's signature for his last fight was a goddamn Lucario it almost seems like they regret making the poor thing.

>two teams
>neither share any ideas
>Neither carry over concepts from their own games

>>31557961
Yeah it's fucking ridiculous.
Imagine if Lillie had her meeting with Gladion at the hotel and he gave her a level 5 type: null that she then gives you.
It would be so much fucking fun to go through the game with it, evolve it after water trial and give it z crystals for a type advantage on every single trial you ever did. That would be so much fun.
Or if he got a unique z move that always crits on unbreedable pokemon.
Or he got a mega with 95/115/115/115/115/115 or 95/121/121/121/121/91 or 105/111/111/111/111/121statline, with some awesome ability or protean. So much you could do with a fake arceus that's meant to kill legendaries and they just did NOTHING.