How does it feel /vp/?

I've been bitching about the new Arcade characters not coming to the Wii U version constantly, but I'd really prefer Arms. The only reason Pokken Wii U even sold at all is that it got a competitive scene fresh out of the box. If this happens for a brand new Nintendo IP it'll be set for life.

>>31525777
I thought it was losing

>>31525864
we are first place now, a good 200ish above Marvel

>>31525938
Marvelfags BTFO

>>31525777
I donated because it was one out of two games worthy of being at evo, and one out of two games that deserves another chance

>59 donors

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>>31525777
Wait, it's actually winning!?
Oh yes!, i'm actually crossing my fingers so we can have another evo tournament.

this is the only pic i have from pokken

>>31525777
>bf wants to play something like Mortal Kombat with me
>he would need to buy a PS4
>suggest I can buy us Pokken instead since I have a Pii Poo already
>remember I can't even play Smash properly
>game arrives today

Is this easier to get good at than Smash?

I've tried the newer MKs and all I do is mash buttons.

>>31526443
From someone with experience, it's very easy to learn compared to nearly every fighter i've ever played. learn your character and stick with them until your able to make your own combos with them and you'll git gud in no time

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>>31525777
>59 donors

>>31526593
>a bunch of poorfag nerds donating chump change for muh marvel is better than true patricians donating the money they have to burn to the better game

>>31525938
>>31525973
kek, I cant imagine the butthurt if Pokken wins over muhvel

KI shouldn't even have to compete for a spot after all they do for their community. Nobody even fucking plays Blazblue after Arcsys completely fucks the community with how stunted the release cycle is.

>>31525777
I wanted to see some Super Street Fighter II Turbo. Guess not.

looks like we're behind marvel now
pokkenfags i summon thou

>>31525777
>marvel is winning
I refuse to let it clog up another year, we have to do something about this, contact a youtuber or something since pokken is the only thing able to match marvel right now

>>31528097
>supporting Shiller Bitchstink
just vote Pokken

>>31530335
Is that from the Marvel page?

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>Furries genuinely thought that they could beat the legendary Marvel.

>>31525973
Marvel is ahead at $8,110 right now. Richfags plz fix this. I might donate some more later even though I prefer Skullgirls.

>>31530372
You know it fucking is.

>>31530893
We need a youtuber or sites like serebii to make this known, we can't let the arcade characters and dreams of a potential sequel die like this

>>31530832
>>>/v/

>>31530912
>not posting the link

Don't expect to get a gf without getting out of home.

>>31530912
Come to think of it why hasn't Serebii said anything? Also I do not much care for Shofu but I would figure he would say something to since he has been in a few tournaments for Pokken.

>tfw I literally can't bring myself to care about this

Why do people suddenly want Pokken again? It was one of the least watched games last year

>>31530942
>>31529828
So tweet at them.

>>31530999
Don't use Twitter.

>>31529962
Pokken is boring as fuck to watch and slow as fuck to play. KI is one of the best designed fighting games, probably the best in the past 10 years.

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>>31530335
>His face when Marvel is losing

>>31531144
It's not anymore.

In fact that guy was part of the reason Marvel overtook Pokken again.

>>31528097
Fuck off I play Blazblue. ArcSys does have a bad release schedule though. I like KI but the sad fact is that its numbers have had a firm decline every year.

>>31531144
>by almost $-2K

>>31530999
I think we need to contact verlis. He'll make a video in 5 minutes and his sheeps will definitely give out their money

>>31531228
>>31531245
Didn't say it was losing right now.
That quote was just the ultimate rage.

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>>31528097
ArcSys is finally pulling out of the Dark Ages with their method of releasing Rev2, but yeah, BlazBlue's pretty fucked. The series finale didn't deserve to go out like this.

>>31531385
>BlazBlue's pretty fucked. The series finale didn't deserve to go out like this.
What happened with BlazBlue?

pokken players are dedicated and were able to throw lots of money in, really surprised and happy to see where they are, even if it's second

>>31530995
Because we're taking the piss on Marvel and it's funny. Basically it's advanced shitposting.

>>31531410
Number of people playing just dropped instead of remaining steady. People attribute it to a mix of ArcSys jerking people with Extends, people tired of getting jerked around so they're just going to wait for an Extend, fatigue over the series, Active Flow wasn't as exciting a change as Overdrive, strong top tiers (it's nowhere near 1.0 Kokonoe or CT top tier levels, but they are aggravating), etc. The western community has always played second fiddle to JP, what with the console version releasing 8-11 months after the arcade version, but all of the other factors have reached a breaking point. It's not dead, but it's not as lively as what it should be.

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>Nidhogg is an option
Really nigga?

>>31531527
oh, i thought it was something story-wise

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>>31530335

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>>31531590
Well, it could've done better on the story front too.
Too many fucking Sayas.

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>super turbo has barely any funds

It's just not fair.

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>>31525777
I just wanna see my nigga perform.

Maybe if Namco sees Pokken come back to EVO they'll actually give us the FUCKING PATCH

>>31531804
>marvel has 2k lead now

it really isnt fair, marvelfags at least have a new game

gdi bamco and tpci release the arcade characters and pokken wins instantly

>>31531804
They always have a side tournament. People would probably complain endlessly about Vega's vortex if it was on stream anyways

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>>31531804
>3rd strike wasn't even considered.

>>31525777
I don't care because I don't even know what is this shit.

>>31531846
It's basically give a kike money, and maybe you can see a fighting game on stream.

>>31531820
It'd be really nice to see the game on the big stage though.

The very possibility about Daigo entering ST if it wins somehow makes me moist. Plus it'd fit kind of well for SF's 30th anniversary.

Marvel's cool too I guess. I don't hate Pokken, it's a cool game, but I have no idea how it's winning when the meta is based around how well you can zone.

>>31531856
And where can I see those rankings or even give my money out?

>>31531279
so then do it faggot, I already did my part and tweeted him, jwitz, sacredirenegro, and shofu

>>31531841
I'm so fucking mad about this. 3rd Strike at EVO was the birthplace of the most popular FG moment ever, and it's not even on the list?

Fuck that. I'm cool with ST but man I wanted 3rd Strike so bad.

>>31531857
>when the meta is based around how well you can zone.

That hasn't been true for months, it stopped being zoner heavy around late july/august

Even machamp is mid tier now.

>>31531527
Why is it on Sunday then?

>got into GG after last year's evo and now it's moved to Saturday
feels bad

>>31531866
https://www.generosity.com/
You'll have to look around for what games you wanna vote for.

>>31531888
Has it? I haven't tuned into Pokken for ages. Once Scizor is out I'm all over that shit though

Thank the fucking lord. Watching Suicune and Braixen can only get so boring. Is Pika-Libre any good now?

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>>31531910
>Has it?

Yes

>>31531906
But, how official is it? That looks like a kickstarter but without winning nothing, any user could create a poll there and get some money. For the games that will lose, will they get their money back? It would be funny if they don't.

>>31531841
>>31531882
>turd strike

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>>31531924
>my boy Sceptile in S-
D A N K

Do you have a support 'mon list?

>>31531941
It was linked in the lineup announcement stream, it's legit

>For the games that will lose, will they get their money back? It would be funny if they don't.

All of it is going to charity

>>31531958
I don't, and I imagine is there isn't one, since obviously it's very depedent on who your player character is

I do know that cresscilla is way less universally prevalent since you don't get I-frames off of it anymore

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>>31531955

>>31531968
>All of it is going to charity

Oh, shid, I was thinking about giving 1 (one) liberty dollar or something.

>>31531979
Yeah I always love when some nigga tries to get away from me with Cress and I just start a combo or sip that sweet life with Giga Drain. I just remember seeing a lot of Diglett and I wonder if he's still as heavily used as ever. Personally I use Umbreon for fucking people off and burst control but I'd love to see what other Sceptiles use, Diglett aside.

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>>31531924
>posting some literal who's meme chart over the guy's who won EVO

>>31531818
The fact that we do not already have the arcade content is so weird. The console version basically saved the game. Even being an already then dying platform the WiiU version renewed interest in the game and saved the arcade version from being cut off by Namco. Probably also the last hurrah for the Wii U with Star Fox bombing harder than an arab in a Christian Church. Now we have a time where the arcade version actually gets exclusives despite being previously the more dead version.

>>31531841
>tfw no Vampire Savior or CVS2.

>>31525777
I don't play fighting games, which one is more fun to watch? Which one has a DEEPER metagame?

>>31532079
How is this game so fucking balanced? It blows my mind.

>>31532079
Did they do any buffs or nerfs in the arcade version excluding the four new characters since the last Wii U patch in June?

>>31532079
>croagunk worst in the game

I'm not surprised. He looked like a joke character.

>>31531870
I don't have a twitter account and I'm pretty sure he blocked me on youtube

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>>31532079
>scizor somewhat low

I REFUSE TO BELIEVE HE'S BAD

>>31532079
>meme character is shit
EVERY FUCKING TIME

>>31532264
>somewhat low
???
That's the second highest tier, lad.

>>31532301
I guess I'm overexaggerating because I expected him to be higher.

Seeing him one above bottom 5 made me anxious. But considering a good chunk of the cast is in A/A+, I guess I'm freaking out over nothing.

People still play Pokken?

>>31532377
Yeah dog, it's one of the most popular fighting games out there. Low entry barrier, exquisite balance and plenty of variation. Just there's not so much talk about it because it hasn't received any updates in a long time. Everyone who likes it is busy playing it rather than talking about it.

>>31532377
>People still play Marvel/KI/Skullgirls/ST/Nidhogg/Windjammers/MKX?

>>31531527
>no english dub
That's what killed it for me gamewise
I will miss Tager's VA...

>>31532566
People that dropped it because of no English dub are ridiculous. It was no dub or push the game back 6 months like with CP.

>>31532566
>no dub is a bad thing
Some fighting games are better without a dub.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY1olf47y1E

>>31532617
>because you can't patch it in later
No they didn't want a dub at all. There was literally no effort put into the decision

>>31532698
With the amount of arcade and story content, it's not even worth it unless they charged for it. There's 95 arcade modes alone, and a huge story mode. Even if they wanted to patch it in, it'd take a while just to voice all the shit.

https://www.generosity.com/explore?filter_title=Evo+2017+Player+Vote#/search

link to see all the games and their progress, first 9 results are the relevant ones

support your fellow pokemon players!

>>31530335
Man, I wish I could waste 1k dollars on funding a video game tournament

>>31531115
Did I just read this? Did you actually just type this?

>>31532079
>85% of the cast is about the same level
Holy fuck

>>31533027
this game is balanced too, the number one reason why I play it

>still behind $2,000

It can't end like this, I could almost taste the dlc

>>31533095
>dlc on a dead console
Good luck with that

>>31530912
>has sold over a million
A Switch sequel is likely

>>31533134

A Switch port/sequel is basically necessary at this point to reignite interest. I feel like the Wii U will get left behind content-wise though.

How much did you donate /vp/?
>10 bucks

>>31532079
>Coach steve
>Guy who almost solo'd the US vs EU crewbattle
>Litterally who

we can't lose to marvel, help us /vp/!

Fuck, what are the chances that they actually pick both top1 and top 2 instead of only the top 1?

>>31530335
I hope Arms or Pokken wins
>actually spending money on this shit

>>31533752
well, the last time they did this and Melee won, Skullgirls at least got their top8 featured on stream because they raised so much money. So it's possible

Regardless, the idea of these games having to scratch and claw and play "who has more disposable income" while games that aren't even released get guaranteed spots is fucking bullshit.

>>31532917
You got me, I certainly did type that.

>>31531115
Man, what's a Micropenis doing on this board? Did they finally chase the last of you off /v/?

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>>31533841
Nigga I've never even owned a Microsoft console

>>31533896
windows 10 cuck lol

>>31534075
Win10 cuck or Xcocks cuck. Pick your poison.

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>>31533896
>he actually plays fightan on pee sea
Oh my.

>>31533095
After seeing Mario Kart 8 Deluxe announced for Switch, I'm pretty sure Pokken's gonna get the same treatment. Abandon the Wii U game, sell a Switch version with the new characters.

Assuming they don't abandon Pokken entirely, that is.

>>31534108
I can see a sequel, I hope it's a sequel.

I don't want a port because there is still a lot flawed with the game. You can't fix mechanical design flaws with a port, but you can with a sequel.

>>31534097
I admit it's pretty hard to find fighting games on PS4, PC, and Wii U.

>>31532079
>Braixen that high

Unfortunate

>>31534123
braixen is seen as one of the best characters off of principle of mechanics and potential alone, not many results have backed that statement aside from EVO, I'd still say that they're a really strong character that just needs more results

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>>31532079
>Gardevoir this low
WTF I HATE POKKEN NOW

>>31531924
>My boy chandelure is B
And i considered buying it

>>31532079
>>31534190
Oh never fucking mind, empoleon and scizor are A

>>31533786
>Skullgirls at least got their top8 featured on stream
This is not a solid consolation prize. Being on the main stage isn't what liven up a scene. It's the money
And since there is no money backing the 2nd placer, no one will want to play in the tournament besides the usual players

Who can we contact to spread the word?

>>31534511
Verlisify, jwitz, shofu, any big pokemon youtuber.

>>31534511
literally anybody

as long as they throw in some money they did a good deed

>>31531901
>Why is it on Sunday then?
Because the game is still hype, had one the best finals in Evo history and deserves it as BB is on its last installment.
GG is so tame in comparison, the only noteworthy thing that happened was the Woshige choke.

>>31525826
>Arms

>>31533115

It doesn't matter if the console is "dead" or not. As long as people are still playing the game, there is potential for the DLC to sell.

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>Arms ever getting in
>marvel already beat pokken

havin a great time right now.

>>31535613
hey dont count pokken out man, or KI for that matter. heard rumors of some KI people who plan on dropping 10k into the drive. I'm scared for pokken

>>31530942
>>31531870
>>31534694
>Shofu
that nigga is voting for ARMS

>>31535629
As long as Pokken doesn't win I'll continue to have a good time.

You know, a couple of years ago I wouldnt have believed it if you told me pokemon was competing against marvel in something I wouldnt have believed.

That said, what's this? From what I gather itt you're donating money to have a game featured at evo but that just can't be true.

>>31535839
You are.

>>31535839
yup, we're raising money for charity to the Make a Wish foundation, winner gets 9th spot on EVO along with opening Sunday grand finals and a 10k dollar pot bonus. Pokken needs this, most people didn't even know Pokken still has a living scene. As a comp player this saddens me, we need more exposure.

>>31535894
>yup, we're raising money for charity
That's what I was missing, thanks

>>31535957
it is officially endorsed and launched by EVO, they did this in 2013 and it's kinda what made melee take off back then

>>31536021
>tfw is still salty that Skullgirls didn't win it
It would have been great, especially since the game kept getting updates

1st chance is best chance.... GL pokken

>>31535894
What's the best place to talk about Pokken/find matches with others (unless it's Pokken Arena)?

>>31538572
Actually, to revise that, are there any good places besides Pokken Arena or Reddit to find Pokken players online?

>>31538580
the discord, so I hear

>>31539334
Which discord?

Pokken players are really dumb if they honestly think they are going to beat Marvel here. I am also a competitive player and the game is pretty dead. For some reason, the fact that there are some locals in general areas means that the game is alive which isn't true. There are still locals for Brawl and Brawl is dead. It's all comparative. When you look at Pokken at tournaments, they can barely have a bracket larger than 32 people and the game has been out for almost a year now in the states. It's not a good look. Marvel really just deserves to come back.

Another popular statement in the Pokken community is that Marvel's future is secure and Pokken's isn't and I've never heard anything more false or more of a "half-truth". This statement is so unclear when they use the word "secure". Pokken's future is going to be insecure because it's fairly new and people drop the game because, let's face it, the game isn't very good.

>>31532415
>exquisite balance
>Top tier apparent as fuck

Uh huh. Don't fall for this shit.

>losing by 2200
lol

>>31539341
The pokken reddit has one and the pokken arena form has a few

>>31539494
>because, let's face it, the game isn't very good.

Mind explaining why so it's not just "because I said so"

>>31539684
not that anon, but one of the biggest issues i have with it is that it's super overanimated. Shit is just flying everywhere and there are zoom ins and camera shifts and it's just annoying.

>>31539748
i'll admit after taking a break, that shit's a bit jarring. just gotta get used to it.

and yes discord is the best way to go about things in terms of discussion and playing matches. r/pokkengame discord is definitely the most active.

>>31525777
Wait, so "muh mahvel" doesn't have a guaranteed spot in EVO? I thought people were crazy about it, what happened?

>>31540055
honestly no idea. other games probably had a much larger playerbase (like Smash, SF, and Tekken) or just had their developers throw money at EVO so that their game could get a spot (BlazBlue and GGXrd 2 maybe? might be KoF?)

>>31539684
Sure.

Now, remember that is this completely subjective in its own realm and only if you think about it comparing it to other fighting games. If you are playing Pokken for fun, as you should with any game, keep at it. At a competitive level, every game changes.

While Pokken has this really low entry barrier further lowered by the community at large to teach people about their game and have created so much in such a short time, people will run into the major problems in Pokken that EVERYONE complains about.

Weak hit armor in burst mode, the huge importance of supports and the lack of defensive mechanics in a game that snowballs much MUCH harder than any other fighting game and the fact that burst is too broadly used.

>>31540076
personally I don't hear any of these complaints often, a couple instances of burst armor but that's really it. almost every character utilizes burst, and every character can definitely use any support set. I use one of the "worst support sets" since day 1 and I've been able to keep up all this time. defensive options aren't really needed aside from block and counter and maybe a couple armored moves because there ways to get out of every character's pressure, you just have to know how.

>>31540076
>Weak hit armor in burst mode

Widely considered bad design by players as the game heavily snowballs on top of building this *one* meter to either snowball harder and have a better chance to make a comeback. Only talking about the weak hit armor, it makes it even more difficult to make a comeback on a universal mechanic that not every character uses in the same way or has access to at the same time. Why have a mechanic that lets you absorb weak hits as a character who can burst 3-4 times in a match and the other characters that burst once or twice if they're lucky have the same limitations while being completely different in design? The community has taken up Eevee as a way to bypass this weak hit armor primarily as a counter to the weak hit armor but the question is, Why have it at all?

>>31540142
i dont agree it's the best design decision, but bamco probably wanted to portray the mega's/slight boost's unrivaled powered and thus gave them light armor. as a blaziken player I never minded this much because I could just use a heavy or special like I normally do, my aerial light bypasses burst armor.

really you have to just play defensive but still use the right options for about 10-15 seconds. It's hard but doesn't completely destroy the balance of the game.

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>>31540076
>The huge importance of supports

Now, this could be seen as negative or positive but it seems to be a common thing for people to try and refine themselves by practicing high level play without supports or burst. IE, Scatz, a Charizard main from Georgia.

This practice is a great way to break away from an important mechanic built into the game to abuse obviously but it becomes apparent how insane some supports are compared to others to the point where if you put them on a tier list, you would truly have a S to F listing. Emolga and Jirachi dominate the game right now because Emolga can blast you at any point if you make a move where... Emolga can blast you and if you do get hit by Emolga, you will be knocked down AND have your speed debuffed into the ground. This goes back to the snowballing emphasis in Pokken, it's far too easy to begin the snowball with something so simple, rechanges quickly, leaves you + and if you're Braixen, you're going to have a bad time.

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>>31540076
>>31540193

*If you're Braixen, They're going to have a bad time.*

>Lack of defensive mechanics

In a game that snowballs as hard as Pokken does, you would think that they would give the other player more opportunities to counterplay outside of the typical RPS scenario which happens all the damn time in Pokken. The game has almost zero emphasis on the common core design space in fighting games like whiff punishing and space control and a lot of it isn't even really Pokken's fault; it's the Wii U. When you get knocked down in Pokken at a high level, get ready for the most brutal setplay of your life and the only defensive mechanic that you will be using to get out of a horrible situation is burst or guess and pray. CAing will get you murdered by decent players now and blocking gets you grabbed in a game without a throw tech and it wouldn't be so bad if grabs didn't lead to the same setplay.

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>>31540256
>Lack of defensive mechanics 2

Again, why is the core defensive mechanic tied to your synergy gauge? Every game with a burst or "GET OFF ME" button is bait-able in some way (And no, field homing cancel doesn't count because it's far too specific and decent players know) and Pokken's just isn't on top of different characters not needing that same amount of time or CC to actually build this meter. Where are the guard cancels at the cost of this meter? Where are the rewards for defending correctly like actually being out of pressure strings? It makes no sense why a character like Braixen can press 5X at the wall and if you block it, be completely safe and still have you in a mixup for a potential ass-ton of damage again. Namco could have handled this much better and they just didn't.

>>31539684
>>31540076

There. Again, this is ALL comparative and only really applies if you have played other fighting games to at least a high or top level. If you like Pokken, I'm not telling you to not play the game. Keep playing that shit and beat SuicineMaster's faggot ass. But in my case, I cannot help but compare it to other fighting games and why I stand with that the notion that Pokken could have been the perfect game but it just isn't and if you want to think about it AS the perfect game, you have to compare it.

Imagine how bullshit it would be if you could level 1 x-factor an unlimited amount of times and the rate at how fast you build x-factor depended on the character? People would have kept playing Marvel 2.

>>31540174
>Guess right for 10-15 seconds because they turned on Burst.

That's just not fun.

>>31540399
all fighting games have a component of guessing at some point. block is the safest option because you can react to grabs offline with a guaranteed throw crush (usually up heavy or crouching light). if you're playing online, I'm sorry man I can't help you. everything is guessing there.

>>31532145
MKX and Mahvel have arguably the deepest meta. MK has the variation system an mahvel has settled over the past couple of years and now top tier teams aren't utterly dominating.

Most fun to watch is entirely subjective, but for me it's whenever I see Phoenix Wright pointing the finger of god at people.

>>31540383
>SuicineMaster's faggot ass.
Lmoa.
Cry harder faggot

>>31540548
A shame Phoenix Wright is low tier, unless something has changed with MVC3 tiers while I wasn't watching.

>>31540464
>You can react to 9 frame grabs offline

...No, you can't. That's impossible.

>>31540607
Oh he's low as shit, but that's why it's exciting to see iheartjustice play him and give Fchamp a hard time

>>31540624
Some characters have 13f grabs, they are indeed reactable. Otherwise I'm getting really bullshit lucky to get top 3 at every tournament I go to.

>>31540651
You aren't even considering the additional 7~ frames on input lag because of the Wii U. The characters with 13f grabs are hot garbage in the first place.

>>31540464
>>31540651

Also, saying that you should just react to something that isn't glaring apparent in the first place isn't a good excuse. I highly doubt that you're getting top 3 if you've only been fighting Chandy, Zard, Garchomp and Suicune or you've only been doing so at your 8 man local.

>>31540651
I also think you're REALLY lying since you didn't even say anything about anticipation which is way more important in any fighting game and falls apart in Pokken because of the RPS nature.

>>31540624
for an average human, sure

it is 100% possible to react to something that is 9 frames although incredibly hard

>>31525777
pokken is getting raped by marvel right now

>STILL having two Smashes

>numbers have been stagnant for 24 hours

we need a surprise $1000 in there or two

>>31541038
Different games with different players

>>31541038
memelee is for skeleton nerds while tr4sh is for fat autismos

>>31532900
>cape shit 9,061
>pokemon 6,884
yeah ok this is over

>>31540927
No, it isn't. We are all humans. I don't even know what type of point you could be making besides just being dumb if you really think normal people can react to things in 9 frames. The fastest recorded human reaction time is one tenth of a second and Pokken runs at 60 frames. So no, you can't react to it.

>>31540927
This has to be bait.

>>31532172
Its called quality over quantity

>>31540927
t. the Flash

>>31540927
>reactions can be hard

You do realize that reaction time is linked to genetics right and that you can barely improve it over the course of your whole life. Reactions don't have a difficulty to them. When you take a reaction test, you aren't going to know when the thing to look out for is going to happen; that's why it's a reaction test.

when anticipating any sort of option on wakeup I get jumpy and i have R held for block while my fingers hover over down on the dpad and Y, since 2Y is my throw crush combo starter. Most of the time people dont grab you anyway and try to meaty you expecting another option from you.

my results stem from 8-10 man locals and regionals that range from 20-30, people dont know frame data and i can get away with a lot of stuff

>>31525777
pokken is a piece of shit of a game

>Umvc3
>$9,086

>pokken
>$7,040

how do we break this balance?

>>31543846
I'd imagine by donating $2047

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The only reason MvC is in this "donations needed to compete" list is because they're getting ready to fade 3 out for Infinite. MvC:I will get a slot in EVO 2018 without issue. Pokken gets one slot in EVO 2016 and is on this list the next year. It didn't generate the views EVO wanted, clearly...

...I honestly think Melee needs to be in this donation list and a game like Pokken or KI can get a roster slot. Melee is 16 years old. There's nothing changing in its strategy. As much as I love Melee, Nintendo needs to let it die.

>buy pokken
>realize you don't like any of the fighters


WHERE IS LOPUNNY???

Croagunk when???? ;_;

>>31543997
>.I honestly think Melee needs to be in this donation list and a game like Pokken or KI can get a roster slot
As much as I want Melee and Smash in general to die, it's never going to happen. The viewers and people it bring in are enough to justify its place for years. Melee should've died with PM anyways, which surpasses it in every respect.

>>31544407
>Spoiler
>I completely agree. Wish PM Devs didn't stop.

>>31543997
pretty sure nintendo wants it do die too, it's just the autistic fanbase that doesnt want to let it go

>>31544476
What the fuck? If you liked PM, you should have wanted the PMDT to fuck off. They were the reason the game was flipping on its back every other patch.

>>31544048
>tfw same
i only like suicune, somewhat
empoleon when? it looked pretty cool in the trailer

>>31544048
Same. Shame really. I feel absolutely zero connection with any of the characters.

>donating just to see a game streamed for two days
>all money goes directly into Mr. Wizard's pocket regardless of if it wins or loses
Don't be a retard.

>>31525777
I rather see Tekken x SF than this boring ass game at EVO

>>31530335
Kekekekek

>>31543997
Melee is kept afloat by a small amount of top players, once they retire it's gonna die. There's no young blood coming through the ranks like there is for Smash 4 and other fighting games

>>31540076
Person you were responding to, I agree with your first point, not so much your others.

Supports seem to strike the right balance between being useful but not too useful for me. A few of them are a bit egregious (reshirem, yvettal, cress), but for the most part they are fine.

Can you clarify on your defensive mechanic complaint? wait you did it in >>31540256
and >>31540308

> whiff punishing and space control and a lot of it isn't even really Pokken's fault;
Are you serious? There's a huge element of space control and footsies. So much of the cast depends entirely on your ability to do this: Machamp, Sceptile, Chandelure, gardevoir, etc.

>When you get knocked down in Pokken at a high level, get ready for the most brutal setplay of your life and the only defensive mechanic that you will be using to get out of a horrible situation is burst or guess and pray.
I think there's validity to the complaint that on wakeup it's a little too much of a guessing game, but I don't think it's as bad an issue as people make it out to be, either. It's not RPS the game like people say.

>>31540383
Sure, nobody is saying pokken is perfect, but not being perfect =/= being a bad fighting game

>>31544693
>>all money goes directly into Mr. Wizard's pocket regardless of if it wins or loses
>other people are retards
Try again

>>31544693
first off, it goes to the make a wish foundation

secondly, winning game gets main stage opening top 8 on sunday and gets a 10k pot bonus. as a competitor this definitely is enticing and spreads much more awareness to the general public.

>>31525777
Does Skullgirls remains in the "literally who" zone of tournaments?

>>31547225
pretty much. after getting cucked by smash in 2013 it's definitely fallen off

>>31530893
Come on, anons, we can do it

richfags and pokkenfags and just general furryfags send help

we need to let a real esports-viable pokemon game grace the big stage

>>31544751
I don't understand how you can say that supports are in the right balance when 2 of them dominate the meta and 2 more are counterpicks which the rest of them are total shit.

>I think there's validity to the complaint that on wakeup it's a little too much of a guessing game, but I don't think it's as bad an issue as people make it out to be, either. It's not RPS the game like people say.

Well ok, are you going to explain why you feel that way or just say that you don't think it's as bad of an issue? I don't really care what you think on its own, friend. I know it's not RPS the game because I played it for a long time at a high level but it is definitely the most RPS out of any game I have played.

>Sure, nobody is saying pokken is perfect, but not being perfect =/= being a bad fighting game

Untrue, There are people who call Pokken the best fighting game or that it was GOTY 2016 and that just makes me think that they have never played any other fighting game before.

>>31544751
If you think that Pokken has a huge element of footsies, I don't think that you've gotten good at other games to compare it to. Footsies take almost a complete backseat in Pokken since you're forced to do things like guess whether or not you're going to get hit or block boomerang or jump and get hit by flamethrower and Braixen gets free SDs just because the character is standing there. You shouldn't need Togekiss to really blow up a move like boomerang. Really patient players aren't properly rewarded for being patient when you can only get so much out of the footsie game; You just give them more chances to put you in a 50/50. And no, I'm not saying that boomerang is unreactable but be realistic in the middle of match with 10 things flying around in your head the whole time and getting hit once could be your death.

>>31549222
>I don't understand how you can say that supports are in the right balance when 2 of them dominate the meta and 2 more are counterpicks which the rest of them are total shit.

Sorry, maybe one of us miscommunicated. I thought you were saying the impact/effects of support was too severe/high and their impact/effects should be more subtle, not about the balance of one set of assists vs other sets.

If you meant the latter, then yeah, the balance is fucked.


>Untrue, There are people who call Pokken the best fighting game or that it was GOTY 2016 and that just makes me think that they have never played any other fighting game before.

Well, those people are idiots. Granted, pokken WAS my GOTY 2016, but I admit that's due to bias and it doesn't actually deserve it.

>>31549390
You are only using braixen examples here, and I think you mentioned braixen earlier. Are you sure it's not just that braixen is broken in your opinion?

>>31549390
>Really patient players aren't properly rewarded for being patient when you can only get so much out of the footsie game; You just give them more chances to put you in a 50/50.

this desu. Watching the KiT stream, Thulius shouldn't have lost to Scatz. I'm a Marvel player who has been interested in Pokken for a long time and I'm confused as to how the game should be played from watching that.

>>31549451
Scatz is a really weird kind of player. He puts himself at disadvantaged states as training regiments and does crazy Charizard stuff that msot JP Zards don't even do. Thulius is equally a weird player by being more of a patient and careful Mewtwo yet losing mentality at some points, KiT as a whole was a jankfest and one of my friends just happened to win to win the whole thing.

>>31549442
I do think that the impact of the best supports should be more subtle and that they need to be better balanced. The difference between getting knocked down by Emolga and getting knocked down by TEXAS SNIVY is completely different.

No, I don't think Braixen is "broken", I think that Braixen is one of the characters that best abuses all of the mechanics that Pokken showcases. I don't really think anyone is broken, just on varies levels of teeth grinding. I think it's silly that Mewtwo can put you in oki for literally a whole match, has a 13 frame anti air that is also upper body invulnerable that is safe on block and also jump cancellable to keep him safe, a grab that leads into insanely strong field oki, and now, has an option that makes jY safe on block... while Gardevoir's fastest move is grab and Chandy gets bone rushed for free. If it was on a graph, the X-axis would be something like "Honest" and "Jank" where Mewtwo is on the honest side and Braixen on the jank side.

>>31549591
as someone who is a part of the Texas Snivy movement, I am very happy that we got all caps

>>31549475
Yeah, Slippingbug is a really cool guy and I'm happy for him. Texas is good.

>>31549632
Texas is alright, I'm always second to slippingbug so I'm pretty overshadowed (probably gave away who I am at this point), but it's nice to see my buddy slip putting us on the map.

>>31549697
Fuck off Combo

>>31539494
>Brawl is dead
You must be joking.

>>31549714
Oh shit, it's that one guy who won't let Brawl die. Fuck you. Just play PM. At least, it's a little less dead.

>>31549711
love you too anon

>>31544623
>likes suicune and empoleon

Based sinnohfetus

>>31549756
>suicune
>sinnohfetus
you okay there buddy

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>>31549756
>Suicune
>Sinnoh

>>31539517
Chess has a top tier too. Doesn't mean things aren't very evenly matched.

Go on, though, tell me your favorite fighting game. I'm sure it'll be a laugh to see what you consider better balanced.

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>>31549767
>>31549786
>they don't know what generation HGSS debuted in
I'm sure it's a coincidence that this board's two favorite games are Platinum and HGSS, though.

>>31549807
>Tell me your favorite fighting game so I can just laugh at it

If you just read the thread, you should be able to get a good idea of what I think is better balanced unless you have brain damage. I didn't say Pokken was badly balanced but "exquisite" is a good way to sensationalize the shit out of Pokken. In a game like Chess where you have 2 "characters", I just think you're dumb now for using that as an example.

>>31549846
gonna be honest having a huge boner for gen 4 doesnt make you a sinnohfetus, there are people out there who absolutely despise sinnoh but worship gen 4 because of HG/SS alone

>>31531857

You do know only one of the zoners is in top 3 right? Good pressure and being able to utilize CADC well is the meta.

>>31549846
It's not a coincidence, both have tons of side content, and its other favorite is BW2, which also has lots of side content.

>>31549846
Gen 3 is the best gen. Kill yourself.

>>31549892
honestly aside from braixen and mewtwo I couldn't tell you who's third. game's too well balanced for me to really figure out. is it sceptile? empoleon? lucario? libre? i dunno lol

SOMEONE GET VERLISISHIT RIGHT NOW.

WTF I LOVE VERLIS NOW

>>31549983
Uh, Weavile??? Come on Combo.

>>31549892
>>31549983

I think you mean that the game is too new. Melee's tier list flipped every year for the first few years. It looks balanced right now but... careful.

>>31550061
any attempts at a tier list have been pretty volatile in results because there's almost nothing we as a group can agree upon. we honestly do love touting that our game is balanced because we honestly believe it is

>>31550101
So does everyone. It's bias and that's ok. It took a bit before people realized the power difference in SFV. In the exact same why Smash 4 players argue that Smash 4 is balanced.

>>31550154
i thinks smash 4 players look at balance as relative to melee. smash 4 isn't balanced at all lol, good chunk of the rosters is borderline unviable and has really low results, but it's not as bad as melee with like 15 characters at max and nobody else has results. Pokken has all characters having won a major (or at least a regional) at some point.

>>31550196
No way, Smash 4 players look at their game outside of Melee. It took DLC to take over the game before people realized it. Pokken is still far too new to make a good list, I agree with that but the same thing happens with every new game that comes out.

>were catching up
>under $1,000 to beat marvel

so close man, keep spreading the word

>>31551074
>We actually have a chance again.

How long does this voting last? All six months? Less?

>>31551074
keep bumping this thread maybe we'll catch wind of the richfags to help us out \o/

support pokken!

>>31551141
Ends on February 8th, so we gotta stay close throughout or we'll fall too far behind.

It just means all other games are shittier

>>31551141
Pokken isn't going to win.

>>31551376
I wouldn't be so sure. It's only 1000$ behind MVC3 and the next closest game after pokken is 4000$ behind it, and we already know top pokken players and planning on dumping a ton of cash on the last day

>>31551471
>and we already know top pokken players and planning on dumping a ton of cash on the last day
i'm sure so will Marvel and KI

the last day won't be for a long ass time, though