Is it the Zoroark of Gen 7?

>>31521191
I don't think you know what Zoroark was trying to be

>>31521206
???

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>>31521191
>an heroed owltheist is ruse fox of gen 7
>ruse chu is not

???

>>31521275
I mean in terms of trying to copy the previous gen's breakout character (Lucario for Zoroark, Greninja for Decidueye) and falling short mostly due to poor stats and such

>>31521292
Zoroark didn't fail because of stats. It failed because they went full retard when it came to its distribution and because they introduced Team Preview on the same gen.

>>31521292
How is Decidueye even remotely similar to Greninja besides being a starter?

Also, Zoroark flopped because it was a heavily hyped up event only mon that had no business being event only.

Zoroark at least has something that it didn't disappoint in

porn

>>31521292
You do realize Incineroar is the Starter GF is shilling, right? Which considering it being lower tier than both Decidueye and Primarina somehow makes the attempt to recreate Greninja/Charizard even worse.

>>31521372
This is true. Though Decidueye porn ain't too bad either.

>>31521191
no, is the numel.

>>31521405
>You do realize Incineroar is the Starter GF is shilling, right
hahahahhaaa

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>>31521645

>>31521658
Not anon. But it's kinda true. Watch some of the Jap SM trailers on their youtube account. Litten is definitely featured more than Rowley or Popplio. It also has the most art in those final evo leaks all those months ago

>>31521658
>Litten is in all the Jap trailers
>Incineroar is based on a Japanese cultural icon for guaranteed popularity
>The original leaked concept art basically confirmed Ash having Rowlet and Incineroar

>>31521701
>>31521761
Don't bother, he's probably the anon that thinks it's going to be Kukui's Incineroar

>>31521761
Shit man will ash ever evolve his Rowlet to a Decidueye? I really hope he doesn't make Rowlet his scouting bird pokemon like he did to pidgeot/fletchinder/staraptor/noctowl.

The writers fucking suck. They need to stop recycling everything.

no he's not locked behind a retarded event for no reason

>>31521191
>>31521292
If Decideueye was as hyped as Greninja, it would have an ability negating physical moves, it;'s shiny would be black, and it would get an exclusive from with an even more broken ability. Oh, and it'd be in fucking Smash. Before Xy was even released

>>31522357
greninja was chosen based on how he fit the game better, I think decidueye fits smash more than the other two (incineroar is more like a pokken character)

Wait and see. It took a while for Greninja's marketing push to become apparent.

>>31522381
>greninja was chosen based on how he fit the game better
He was literally chosen just because Sakurai liked him not that he fit the game better because anything fits in Smash.

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>>31522418
>anything fits smash

>>31522432
I said anyTHING not any dragalien.

>>31522465
as opposed to the mermaid with no legs?

>>31522476
A mermaid with no legs that has fairy magic.

>>31521191
That would definitely be Incineroar. They even have the same aesthetic and share a type.

Decidueye is trying to be the Sceptile of Gen 7 if anything.

>>31522777
>they even have the same aesthetic

what? incineroar is more like chesnaught, Decidueye fits the "cool" motif like greninja

>>31522784
Zoroark wasn't cool, though, it was edgy. Incineroar does the same thing, using almost the exact same color scheme even, a major departure from prior Fire starters. Incineroar wants the edgefur audience, just like Zoroark.

>>31522797
I don't see incineroar as edgy at all

>>31521292
Pore stats or just pore speed. Cuz 100 special defense, and 100 special attack,and 107 attack is not bad. In fact it's the fourth best leafblade using grass type.

>>31521405
>Nintendo shielding incineraoar.

Nice meme you got here anon.

>>31521191
No. Nobody fucking cares about the owl, nobody ever will. Decidueye isn't the next Greninja, it isn't the next Zoroark, it isn't the next Charizard. It's just another literally who starter nobody gives a fuck about

>>31521658
Remind me again which starter confirmed the leak again?

>>31523137
all 3 full evo starters were leaked at the same time

>>31522357
They already did give special treatment to rowlet. Look closely. He's the only one out of the three who has two signatures. Leafage and spirit shackles. And like charizard, and greninja, he's got a dope shine. And a new type combination. At least for starters.

>>31523167
all 3 are new type combos for starters dummy

>>31523131
>another literally who starter nobody gives a fuck about
more like HOO starter!

>>31523167
Blaziken had a unique type combination.
Chicken=bird
3 gens of Grass/Ghost confirmed.

>>31523167
Incineroar has two signatures too
>Darkest lariat
>throat chop

>>31521761
>Let me debunk really quick buddy. The trailers are only supposed to show what happenes in episode1 witch litten and popplio were suppose to be in. And since I can already tell your a Littenfag. Let me explain that litten wasn't the only starter shown multiple times in every preview. Your stupid brain keeps on ignoring popplio.
>and incineraoar might be based on a popular thing in Japan. But incineraoar him self is not popular at all. Just check the Japanese poles for the starters. He's lower then popplio. So try again.
And they have bin clearly giving rowlet more love if you actually open your tiny little eyes. Look rowlet has two signature moves leafage and spirit shackles. They didn't bother grieving litten a furry hairball move or popplio a water ball move coming out of it's nose. And more proof ash only caught rowlet, and if you read the preview for episode12 you'll it states something about ash and rowlet's deep bond. I wonder what they ment by that. And last but not least.
>I really hope you just didn't say something about the Chinese leaks. If so get out cuz yu ou clearly don't know anything about the royal theory.

>>31521761
incineraor was voted the least popular on the pokemon japanese twitter a couple days ago

>muh cultural icon
>muh trailers

don't mean shit

>>31523137
Nice attempt at making a snarky reply that ended up outing you as a retard/newfag.

>>31523286
Read >>31523284

Also that happened before in the anime in gen 4
>preferring turtwig and building ponds
>chimchar cucks it in the end

>>31523323
Now here's the difference between turtwig and rowlet. Torterra was the slowest starter in gen4 not to mention ash isn't good at using slow starters. And to top it all off he couldn't even learn earthquake. Whitch would have bin pretty handy in a lot of battles ash's bin in. And remind me really quick. Who's the fastest alola starter. It's decidueye. They are clearly marketing decidueye the mvp of alola. Since he's the coolest one. Incineraoar is the masculine one. Primarina is the feminine one. And decidueye is the edgey cool one.

>>31523480
>ash isn't good at using slow starters.
Ash isn't good at using fast ones either, apparently.

>>31523284
And looks like we're both wrong. There not even signature moves cuz. Sneazul could get throat chop. And lurantis can get leafage

>>31521191
Yes, but it is understandable.

Nintendo superstars like Charizard Lucario and Greninja happen only once every 10 or so years. I bet it'll take a while until we find another absolute fan favorite starter/pokemon.

>>31523488
And were is your proof for that. Cuz charizard,sceptile,Infernape,greninja are telling me other wise.

>>31523100
>pore

the fuck are you doing nigger?

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>All of these owlfags pushing their retarded owl
>When Tapu Koko has literally been shilled since day one

>>31523542
>Charizard
>Ash literally has had no part in training it, and overwhelmingly does its own thing in battles, and wins, or more frequently draws because of its own innate pride and stubborness
>Sceptile
>Stopped winning almost entirely after it evolved
>Infernape
>Jobbed after going SSGSSBJ
>Jobfrog
>Admittedly the least jobby member of an otherwise mostly recurrent speed blitz team that collectively jobbed so hard that ashfags still feel alain's meaty cock up their ass

>>31523100
Congratulations, your owl has just won the special olympics.
Now riddle me this. Does Decidueye use Leaf Blade better than Farfetch'd?

>>31523523
I don't know man. Back then when they had a lot more viewers. They were able to get away with slacking off in the story. But now since yo-shit watch is trying to take over. There going to need some very rememberable pokemon. They can't do another BW bullshit again, were they make only one starter evolve and the rest the same, not to mention the least popular one too. Why do you think they made ash greninja So op. To appeal to the audience. Since that worked pretty well for greninja they wanted to do another one. But this time they wanted the more popular choice from the viewers. And why do you think they made us vote to see who's the most popular starter of alola. To see who the crowd would like to see more of. Just so they can make that stand out just like greninja.

>>31523100
>In fact it's the fourth best leafblade using grass type
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Bix44C1EzY

>>31523598
Actually yes. It's got stab leafblade with 107 attack. Not to mention. It's faster.

>>31523100
really nigga leafblade?

when it has it's best use with utility?

>>31523598
y-yes?

Either way, I think we can all agree that Decidueye is the strongest of the Alola starters ingame and competitively.

>>31523627
Pokemon isn't trying to compete with Yokai. Yokai is sputtering out, and even if it weren't, GF is too complacent, lazy, and arrogant to believe they were ever in danger, or do something about it.
It would make ense for GF to act in the way you have described. It really would.
But you are forgetting something major.
Gamefreak is fucking retarded.
Gamefreak decided it would pay attention to competitive this gen.They nerfed burd and mega-mom, de-speed creeped gen 7, then forgot about backwards compatability and thus invalidated an entire genertion, except a handful of legendaries dave from accounting statted, and dave didn't get the memo to make everything slow and weak. Gamefreak regularly removes features people like because fuck it. Gamefreak is not intelligent, they do not behave intelligently, they do not even behave in a way that approaches sane and rational.

>>31523674
if we ignore smogon's retardation with baton pass banning in UU yeah

otherwise you can make a claim that primarina is better

incineroar is just a shittier arcanine

i don't care about doubles BTW incineroar may be better there idk

>>31523674
It isn't. Popplio is the best for both in-game and competitive.

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>>31523655
252+ Atk Decidueye Leaf Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 142-168 (41.6 - 49.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Farfetch'd Leaf Blade vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew on a critical hit: 127-150 (37.2 - 43.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
It's official. Decidueye is roughly 10% better than Farfetch'd at wielding Leaf Blade.

Man game freak doesn't care about competitive pokemon. When trying to make a starter stand out in the anime. Cuz back in the day. Charizard was shit compared to venasuar and blastois in the meta game. And And swampert was the only starter who made it to ou back when ash only had sceptile as his strongest. And I'm not sure about shinno the starters. And And we are here i guess greninja is the most used kalos starter/the only starter in ou and above. But I bet you they were trying to make decidueye not to similar to greninja So they made his speed his lowest stat. And tryed to make him a sniper. But as we can see that didn't go well with the crowd. But he's still the most popular.

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>>31523741
>crit for fartech'd and not decidueye
>still less

desperate

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>>31523791
>crit for fartech'd and not decidueye
>this is the typical owlfag

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>>31523858
>give farfetch'd stick but don't give decidueye choice band/lifeorb

deluded anti-owlfag

>>31523864
he is made for the metagame, spirit shackle/baton pass/swords dance (or nasty plot)/defog (or leaf blade) gives him a really good niche

only problem is if you're a sm*gonfag in regards to baton pass

Can we all agree that decidueye is not made for the games. And will aventaly fall down to Uu or below as time goes on. And incineraoar and primarina are better battlers in the meta then the owl.

Well at the same time decidueye will be the star of the anime and smash bros switch. Can we all agree with that.

>>31523902
none of the starters will pass UU, incineroar won't pass RU

>>31523910
Primarina is high UU.

>>31523913
literally ranked the same as decidueye even with baton pass ban

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>>31523868
>Death Orb

>>31523961
>synthesis
>roost

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>>31523963
>70

>>31523977
yes and?

>>31523919
Literally used way way less even before the baton pass ban

>>31523984
sauce?

>>31521191
Zoroark has 105 base speed

>>31523902
No. If Decidueye makes it into Smash as a main character i will eat my damn right shoe and my Original Pokemon Blue from when I was 3 and my brother gave it to me because Gen 2 was out. Screencap this

>>31523919
Decidueye isn't nearly as good in UU as Primarina. Keep in mind we're talking about top 10 UU.

Fun fact:

Decidueye speed ties with Litten and is slower than Torracat.
Rowlet is not the "fast" starter, it barely outspeeds popplio, and Decidueye is only the fastest among fully evolved starters and only by 10 points which is still consider abnormally slow.
Speed doesn't mean shit in the anime, even if ash somehow got all the "fast" ones.

are people still debating against decidueye being the most popular? Jesus christ

you don't even need stats to know he's the most popular

incineroar alienates girls and primarina alienates boys, plus the "cool" starter is always most popular

>b-but muh japanese wrestling icon

no one gives a fuck;

>>31524002
sauce me please

>>31524009
You realize that stereotypical gender roles are less and less relevant in today's society, right? Neither Incineroar nor Primarina "alienate" anyone.

>>31524023
hello tumblr, this may come as a shock to you inside your bubble but a vast majority of girls don't give a shit about wrestling and a vast majority of boys don't care about shit like mermaids based off biological/societal reasons

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>>31524023
>tumblr actually thinks kids care about their stupid gender roles meme
You couldn't make this shit up if you tried.

>>31524005
Well that would explain why rowlet is going slightly faster then it should be in the anime. Cough cough decidueye the greninja confirmed.

Why is people harping that litten gets popularity in Japan due to masked tiger thingy. In pokemon English twitter poll, incineroar is the least popular. In Japan twitter poll it also has the least percentage (14%).

And in the official japanese pokemon website, the number of incineroar shares on social media is also way lesser then decidueye, while seal and tiger around the same range

>>31524075
tigerfag delusion

not only is it less popular, it's shittier than both decidueye/primarina in battle

>>31524086
It'll be the only one used in VGC once it gets its HA.

>>31524106
You wish. It's just a shittier Arcanine.

>>31524106
why would a shittier arcanine be used?

also no one is going to use any of the 3 starters in VGC because VGC is mad retarded and filled with broken mon

Ok just face the truth. I'm tired of this shit. Owlfags face it the owl isn't good in competitive. We get it you all butthurt about it. He can Be used. But he's no greninja. So just stop trying to make him higher in competitive then he should be . And just focus on on his popularity out side of competitive.

And cat fags, shut the fuck up. Your stupid cat isn't going to be the mvp of alola or smash. That's what the owl is their for. Your already good in competitive so focus on ways that you can make incineraoar better then arcanine in the meta. Nobody wants to see incineraoar in smash when we got greninja and charizard. Witch if you don't know are better fire and dark types. So just with the autistic shit. God.

>>31524106
That's the only thing that tiger fans like to harp on. What else other then that? By the time starters HAs arrive, people already lose interest in using the starters competitively. Plus, there's better choices for intimidate users

>>31523989
Smogon stats for December. Let's wait until the January ones release and see

>>31524075
>17 not 14%
But yeah I get you, froakie wasn't the most popular in all polls but ended up in smash and was focused on regardless in the anime.
The anime plot and events are planned out way before any popularity poll, they don't necessarily pay much attention to what people think and go with what they think works best, that's how things go in the first season anyway.

>>31524115
>>31524112
I wasn't aware that Arcanine had Fake Out.

>>31524143
Fake Out is irrelevant in the Tapu Meta.

>>31524143
You think that'll put him above arcainine?

>>31524117
>I'm a seal fag
But you are right, though thats like 90% of pokemon debates. People always want a pokemon to be what they wanted it to be. Like Vikavolt. It's not fast, but it's bulky and can take hits fine. It's still a decent pokemon, even if it's not the OU tier eating monster they wanted it to be

>>31524135
>froakie wasn't the most popular in all polls

he was in a majority of them

>>31524075
This is what happens when you not only make a Pokemon anthro, but give it terrible proportions and rubber hose limbs.

>>31524028
What biological reasons ?

>>31524135
Greninja was already a major popular mon when the final evolution was revealed.

The Gen 7 starters had been revealed for a long time but incineroar still remained the least popular in the polls

>>31524159
Not until Frogadier was revealed

>>31524171
genetic selection based off affinity towards the masculine/feminine in relation to our species being a social one

t. about to graduate with a microbio degree emphasizing genetics

>>31524179
Froakie won japanese polls before Frogadier was released..

>>31524179
wut? if anything frogadier would hurt his image since he's shit

>>31524135
Greninja was planned to be in smash before it was revealed. Sakurai just liked the pokemon I guess. Also giving it protean and the black shiny, Gamefreak clearly has a favorite, like charizard

>>31524187
Wait ... wasn't that chespin??

>>31524190
it wasn't and made froakie instantly equally or more liked than fennekin at the time, deservingly so.

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>>31521206
Trying to be the next Lucario?

Just like Decidueye is trying to be the next Greninja?

>>31524194
I'd be surprised if chespin won a poll ever

>>31524194
chespin has always been the least popular gen vi starter in all regions.

early popularity polls had froakie lead but with fennekin being really close, while chespin had very very few votes.

>>31524184
>in relation to our species being a social one
So..NOT biological? We are genetically made to agree with others, but if I'm born in Feminazi USA and am told to wear a dress, then yes I will like Primarina more then Incineroar because of my environment, not because I am geneticlaly coded to like jacked man or pretty princesses. Nature v Nuture is a stupid debate because Nurture can literally fuck over anything Nature has predisposed you to.
t. majoring in psychology
But yes the majority of males probably like Incineroar over Primarina and vice versa with females

>>31524231
what is this?

being a social does not mean you're not biological, that makes no sens-

>majoing in psychology

my condolences on your wasted tuition

>>31524212
lol no wonder it got literally no attention whatsoever.
But I think Fenniken was a little more popular than Froakie, and then it stood on 2 legs.

>>31524244
not in japan, froakie led polls since day one.

in us/europe fennekin had the best reception until frogadier/braixen were revealed and both were tied until final evos leaked and the frog took the pokeworld by storm.

>>31524231
Well judging from the poles, that tells me that there my not be that much females then

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>>31522432
Right cause Bowser hasn't been a varying degree of size throughout the years.

>>31524242
Ayyy, suck my dick and i can tell you compensate a lot

And if you think people are genetically predisposed to be attracted to certain gender roles, I am glad you'll be studying how slime particles fuck

>>31523299
>this mysterious twitter poll

ah yes, this poll

for the record anon I've been following PokemonJP and they've been shilling Comaster and Bank, but never released a poll

>>31524280
one of the most popular studies done on gender science is the one on babies and toys, you should read it up

also microbiota differences among humans have been recently shown to affect the behaviors of humans, so get ready to study those slime particles as well

Why did this change to a gender talk? Btw there are studies that show that gender identification has link to biological structure. For example, the brain structure

>>31524338
I argued that decidueye is the most popular because he doesn't alienate girls/boys like incineroar/primarina and then that guys showed up

your statement is correct as well

>>31524296
9 month old in pink onesie chooses pink teddy bear. Color me surprised.
>“Biological differences give boys an aptitude for mental rotation and more interest and ability in spatial processing, while girls are more interested in looking at faces and better at fine motor skills and manipulating objects
From one of the articles on it. If it was a GI Joe and a ball the boy would choose a ball and the girl would chose the GI Joe.
Also, what you think the toddlers from this study played with outside the lab? Probably toys sold to their gender.

>>31524347
>>31524346
>>31524296
>>31524242
>>31524231
Can you guys uh, both just fuck off. Or whatever the Psych major identifies as.

>>31524361
you're right, back on topic

what were we talking about?

oh yeah decidueye is the greninja of gen 7 not zoroark

>>31524361
>Or whatever the Psych major identifies as
I'm not jimmy asshole, I am a guy
But yeah sorry. At least it wasn't like that one Mandela Affect thread that got into religion for 300 posts
And no Decidueye is not Zoroark/Greninja, it was not nearly as hyped up or given special treatment

Who would win a battle? Decidueye or greninja? All items allowed.

>>31524393
Greninja, duh, are you stupid?
>Type advantage
Protean + Ice beam

>>31524393
if protean greninja

if not decidueye, he can survive the ice beam or dark pulse with his spe. def and leafblade

>>31524401
>Greninja held on to its focus sash!
>2HKO

>>31524406
>assault vest

>>31524396
>252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Decidueye: 88-109 (29.6 - 36.7%) -- 45.3% chance to 3HKO

>>31524428
what the hell tankier than I thought

>>31524393
252+ SpA Life Orb Greninja-Ash Dark Pulse vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Decidueye: 335-398 (93 - 110.5%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
vs
0 Atk Life Orb Decidueye Leaf Blade vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Greninja-Ash: 374-439 (107.4 - 126.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
So yeah Bird wins

>>31524442
>>31524428
What the fuck? Is the bird a solid check to Greninja?

>>31524439
Isn't special defence one of Decidueye's better stats?

>>31524461
Base 100 SpD and 78 HP

>>31524428
I have no idea what you calced, but no way this is true lol

>>31524485
252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Decidueye: 328-385 (91.1 - 106.9%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
yeah, i don't know

>>31524485
252+ SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Decidueye: 359-424 (120.8 - 142.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
My bad, Showdown calculator defaults on level 50 when Decid was level 100

>>31524513
Oh Shit really?
>>31524442
These are wrong then, my bad.

>>31524459
No, those calcs were wrong. Primarina actually is, unless Greninja carries Gunk Shot (which is really nor common).
Just switching Primarina on Greninja gives you a chance to fire off a Choice Specs Hydro and destroy something, it's really nice

>>31524461
ya but I didn't think his HP was too substantial

Uh no, because Corocoro didn't gave us empty promises with this pokemon in particular. That's the Rockroff/starter secret debate.

>>31524524
>Gunk Shot
>Not common
Pick one, protean Gren often runs a mixed set for that exact reason. Granted, now we don't have a move tutor so it's not even an option until codename Stars or whatever.

>>31524538
"not common" may have been an exaggeration, but since most people use Battle Bond Greninja it's not that high of a risk imo. Sure, you may want to make sure it isn't Protean first.

>>31524287
I think anon was talking about this poll: https://twitter.com/pokemon_sunmoon/status/791822143453487104

But it's not from the official jp twitter, it's just a popular fan account.

>>31524624
9k votes is a good sample size

>>31524278
are you trying to start a fight about ridley's size in 2017 on a pokemon board with that weak ass argument
the fuck is wrong with you

>>31524624
I thought this was the official account for the games,is it not?

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>>31521191
It's Gamefreak's present to /vp/.
I love it!

>>31523286
nigga stop throwing those greentexts around randomly like that, christ

>>31524663
it's not, the official twitter is pokemoncojp

>>31524652
>9k
>Japan

>>31524664
Hey that's not Salandit

>>31524663
The account's description says it is a fan account.

>>31524679
you know what a sample size is?

>>31524682
yes, that's why
>9k
>Japan

very small fraction

>>31524689
no you don't know what a sample size is

experiments in the US are done with 50-200 people as a sample size, 9k is more than enough

Why do people always respond to "respond to this or mother will die" Bullshit? Do you all really lack that much common sense?

>>31524690

>>31524059
im glad i got though the game without seeing this, or i would've had to choose the seal

>>31524699
>9k is enough for a huge video game like pokemon
no, I don't think so. Pokemon has tens of millions of players, how can you get all their opinion with just 9k?

the survey is pretty much debunked if that's all it had

>>31524690
Aw hell nah

>>31524721
there are 350 million people in the US, sample sizes are 50-200

please take a class in statistics

>>31524690
God fucking damn you you fucking piece of Tauros shit

>>31524690
Pls no

>>31521351
both edgy
they have similar visual appeal

>>31524709
Newfags weren't around in the days of forums full of chain-letter bullshit like this.

>>31524679
That's for the Pokémon Company, not the games. This is for the games.
>>31524681
Does it? Where? I don't see it

>>31522797
Zoroark is not edgy.

>>31524727
and if you actually look up what sample size is, that's not really applicable to something like Pokemon

>>31523902
>Well at the same time decidueye will be the star of the anime and smash bros switch. Can we all agree with that.

No because we have absolutely no proof for that. Nothing but heresay.

>>31524442
Bird is also slow as fuck.

>>31524889
It's a fucking bipedal black and red dark type wolf/fox thing, where its gimmick is illusions. How is that not edgy?

>>31521761
>In short: Game Freak assuming Japan will eat Incineroar up because Tiger Mask is big shit in Japan

>Reality: BRIONNE IS KAWAII DESU~ what is a Tiger Mask? ew my tiger's standing up PRIMARINA IS BEAUTIFUL AND PERFECT LIKE IT SHOULD BE

>Bara audience: A hot bara tiger is fine too, daymn

>Incineroar fans: Aw shit he may not be the most popular but look at him, he's a badass kitten ready to pile drive you

>Rowlet fans: o w l , pretty cute owl, very rotund, very cute holy shit it's a ghost? sign me the fuck up ho a archer owl is fine too

>>31524115
I dunno, people are already using regular Incineroar in topping teams for some reason

Intimidate will just make it better

>>31525013
It's called new toy syndrome, kid.

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>>31521191
You know what the owl needs to get rid of this damn debate? It needs huge, best-of-gen polls like the ones that validated Greninja early on. That way we can tell where Decidueye lands in terms of popularity relative to the entire Generation.

Every single big poll listed Greninja as the best Gen VI Pokemon, and those came out only one month after the game released. We need more of those to shut this stupid discussion for good.

>>31525015
You could use that "argument" for every new mon

>>31524745
I actually thought people were responding to it was part of a meme. Why have they been turning up so much on /vp/ lately? I don't remember seeing them this often till this month.

>tfw people saying Incineroar will be the pushed one
Wasn't Rowlet the one highlighted with Ash in the promo cover?

>>31521191
Only in the sense of having a potentially neat gimmick that's ruined because of stupid/silly reasons (it has no bulk to speak of, so only the most passive things fear it).

It's such a failure at it's job that Deci's thread in OU just got closed and it's this close of getting unranked in the viability thread. And from what I've seen it also sucks in UU, so...yeah.

>>31527205
I knew it would happen.

>>31523980
You'll does before getting the roost off. Mostly because Decidueye has shit defensive typing

>>31524022
BP is banned in UU. So it's major niche is gone. Whereas Primarina can function as a wall breaker that shit says on Flygon

>>31525301
anon listen to me

in Japan, stages are treated as separate Pokemon

>>31527205
>closing Decidueye's thread in OU when it's ranked as viable in OU
Smogon are literally being biased against best starter. Fucking Primarinafags.

Decidueye will sink, mark my words. Sink in the tears of its own fanbase.

>>31525015

Then we're gonna see Decidueye drop off even harder, damn.

>>31527965
The only one sinking in tears will be you, sinking in your own bitter tears as we all laugh at you for being a shitter with shit taste.

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>evolving rowlet
>not giving it an everstone so it forever stays rowlet

>>31523542
>>31523480

God you type like such a faggot.

>>31523627
Yokai is everything but dead already.

>>31524022
Check the UU forums. People are expecting owl to drop to RU since it has no business in UU.

>>31527731
It's people like you that talk without knowing shit about competitive that made smogon close the thread, good job! Not that he was very good anyway

>>31528390
>Check the UU forums. People are expecting owl to drop to RU since it has no business in UU.

Which thread though?

>>31528711
>>http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/sm-uu-beta-gyarados-porygon-z-serperior-and-terrakion-banned.3591786/page-9

>"from what most people talk about, decidueye is pretty mediocre. again, with the jack-of-all trades, master of none. funny how there are 3 mediocre grass types in UU with him, tsareena and dhelmise. maybe some of the bans helped these 3, but i dunno"

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>>31521191
Reminder

>>31523286
I literally have no idea what you're trying to say because of your horrendous misuse of Greentext.

>>31527731
To be fair, both are C-, so in theory they both suck and might drop together.

>>31529648
Except that Smogon is actually arguing for Primarina to be C+, so they're nothing but disgusting Primarinafags.

>>31529679
>They have a different opinion than me so they must be Primarinafags!!!
Stay salty, owlfag :^)

>>31529679
>Smogon is actually arguing for Primarina to be C+
Sauce?

>>31529773
>>31529679
Oh shit, it's true! Well it was kinda stupid that Primarina and Decidueye had the same ranking, when one is obviously superior competitively

>>31521191
>>31521206
I don't like that Zoroark has gotten this reputation.

Just listen for a second.

So Lucario happened in gen 4; it was pandered as fuck, got its own movie, the Champion used one, a prominent NPC had it as a signature Pokemon, etc. Like My Little Pony it also happened to garner a heft furry following because of its nature as a brightly coloured dogman. Fine.

Then as soon as gen 5 is announced people fucking POUNCED on Zoroark just because it was also vaguely canine-based. It got its own movie, but crucially, wasn't available in the games of its own gen for some reason. In the end, it's a lot weaker than Lucario and wasn't pushed anywhere near as much. I'm not a furry by any stretch of the imagination; I think of Zoroark as the fox in those old Beast Fables, mixed with a Kabuki trickster. In one sense, I'm glad Zoroark wasn't pushed like fuck, but on the other, I'm salty because from his reveal he's been stigmatized as an "furry icon" even though furries don't even really like him (not any more than literally any other Pokemon at least).

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>>31523100
are you fucking retarded

>>31529889
Last bit is untrue. Zoroark porn comes out pretty often

You're all stupid, the Zoroark of Gen 7 is Magearna

>>31527731
Lots of pokemon are viable in a tier they aren't banned to. They just have to perform their very specific niche, otherwise a Pokemon that IS banned to that tier will outperform them.

>>31530251
this

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>>31528003
>Eviolite STILL doesn't function like an Everstone

>>31529679
Anon, Primarina is actually good. One of the best non-HA or mega starters, actually. Stating objective fact does not make one a primarinafag.

>>31530289
Can we honestly say she's one of the only starters that are actually good without needing a bullshit Ability or a Mega? Probably the best out of this bunch

>Decidueye in SSB
>Shooting at people forever, not much damage but causes flinch.

>>31530329
Infernape was the first one, I think. It was very common in DPPt.

>>31530329
>she

>>31530465
>'s one of the only starters that are actually good without needing a bullshit Ability or a Mega? Probably the best out of this bunch

>>31523174
Kek

>>31527398
It's major niche isn't BP, it's spirit shackle plus utility

>>31529895
is that dora

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>>31525024
This.

Has IGN or Dorkly not made one of those polls yet? They're normally on top of that shit.

>>31522797
Incineroar isn't edgy at all. The only thing edgy about him is his typing and color palette. His personality isn't edgy either, it just seems kinda goofy.

Nintendo tryed to balance this gens starters by making two more competitive on the last one more popular in the anime. And I think you can tell who goes were.

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>>31530351
>Even in SSB it is just a shittier Pit

>>31533485
Not really. If anything decidueye will be a better pit. In fact he'll be what pit whanted to be.

>>31530029
This is true, I'd say at least one new pic is uploaded of Zoroark every other day, sometimes more then that.

>>31530410
Swampert was an OU staple in R/S/E aswell. One of the best defensive checks against Tyranitar.

>>31533692
>he thinks pit is just spamming B

Look I'm not gonna bother reading the thread; this is bait right? I'm gonna assume it is but just in case, no they aren't. There isnt a Zoroark in Gen7 because there hasnt been such a great mon that got utterly fucked over by nintendos stupidty. Maybe Marshadow, if we're really unlucky, but I doubt it.

>>31536289
Knowing Game Freak, it's probably still Greninja.

Decidueye is the new greninja of gen7. And unlike wolfy over there Decidueye won't get reduced to a wide pokemon. Seriously it was almost impossible to get a zoruarok in BW but now you can find him in the wild in XY. WTF GF.

>>31525301
Because of the leaked starter art.

You could assume that the Incineroar in the anime art isn't Ash's, but Decidueye not getting any extra art is indicative that it won't be getting the push.

>>31537538
Uuu... guess again furrfag all the kalos starters had official art and greninja had the lowest pics. Yes chesnaught had just one more pic then greninja in there official art. And also I think you never herd of the royal theory. Let me tell you. Since your clearly a ignorant Littenfag.

>>31537538
Here is the royal theory.When you first look at the Chinese leaks, he thing that stiks out the most is ash, mallow, and incineroar. But you ignorant people can't seem to notice anything else. The incineroar leaks takes place in the battle royal. And this is just rotom pokedex showing off incineroar. And here is my proof. First let's look at the part where incineroar is about to hit pikachu with the table. Notice that microphone flying. That's probably for the anouser. That on it's own is proof that it takes place at the battle royal. Next is machamp. The closest pokemon to a actual wrestler. It's got the belt and evrything. Now notice that machamp is letting incineroar pick him up and swing him without any hesitation. That's shows that incineroar is showing off it's strength. And tell me why would ash show off his pokemon to everyone. That's not what ash would do. The only time he shows off his pokemons is in the middle of battle. And last but not least mallow and popplio. Lana is there too. But I have hunch that Lana and ash were having a four way battle with the guy with the Machamp and the masked royal With his incineroar. It was popplio vs rowlet vs machamp vs incineroar. After incineroar took out machamp he felt as if rowlet and popplio were too weak and he got out the ring and fell asleep. And if you read incineroar's dex entries you see that incineroar doesn't fight weak opponents A.K.A popplio And rowlet.

Honestly there are so many things that catfags over look. There already better in game. So just give decidueye his last hope, the anime.

>>31537619
We'll see buddy

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>>31537648
>So just give decidueye his last hope, the anime.

>>31537316
>Decidueye is the new greninja of gen7. And unlike wolfy over there Decidueye won't get reduced to a wide pokemon.

Owlcucks still believe this. Kek.

>>31537619
Nice theory, kid.
Almost like you work for GF.

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>>31521191
Who keeps making this thread with the same image over and over again?

>>31539127
That's not the same pose at all, Anon.

>>31538805
Maybe maybe not. You never know until you look really close at some little hints we give you. Cough cough sun and moon first official poster cough cough Second official poster.

>>31540936
>Literally Turtwig 2.0

>>31523167
Leakage isn't a signature move. Fomantis and Bulu also learn it.

Spirit Shackle is the superior signature move of the three starers, though.