So I just watched mario and zelda trailer

>>31477462
not sure if bait or literal retardation

either way, you're a massive faggot for making this thread

>>31477462

Game Freak is not Nintendo.

Game Freak is a small company with only 81 employees. They're not a AAA company with tons of money like Nintendo is.

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>>31477462
I'm pretty sure that the 3DS isn't a switch.

>>31477462
Niantic =/= Game Freak

>>31477489
Nintendo should give money to them. Since Pokemon saved the 3ds, gb and gba

>>31477489
This
>>31477462
Plus the hardware for the switch is VASTLY different for that of the 3ds,meaning that they can make smoother looking games that can play at a higher frame rate.
Unless pokemon is confirmed for a switch release,get used to the graphics for a while, bub.

>>31477462
First of all, Gamefreak didn't make Pokemon Go.

Secondly, why would they bother changing the graphics? Did you see how much money SM made? People will buy it even if the graphics are trash.

>>31477462
>Pokemon games should have huge budgets

No, huge budgets are the cancer that's killing the video game industry.

Games cost so much money to produce now that companies have to sell millions of copies just to break even and have to resort to DLC to make any profit.

>>31477462
How are you even asking this question? Why are there so many literal 12 year olds on this board?

>>31477543
Pokemon is 3rd biggest gaming franchise behind cod and gta. Yeah it can afford big budgets

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Games like Pokemon are best played in low-fi. Look at how fucking slow everything got with the transition to 3D. The same applies to similar games like Monster Hunter. A game you're meant to sink hundreds of hours into shouldn't have a quarter of that spent on load screens and lagging.

>>31477566

>Behind CoD and GTA

No, it's the second biggest behind Mario.

>>31477538
Nintanic doesn't get 100% it the profit. It's shared

Pokemon doesent need OP graphics. We love pokemon for idea and gameplay. Graphics are secondary stuff.

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>>31477462
How do drooling retards like you even manage to breathe without choking?

>>31477578
GF doesnt even take the 20% of the profit

>>31477577
Pokemon is bigger than Mario. Right now it is. GTA and COD is bigger than mario

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>>31477462

>>31477594
That's still over 100 million dollars

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>>31477566
>behind cod and gta
Well, this just further supports the fact you're twelve.
Pokemon is the second most successful video game franchise of all time, right behind Mario, COD and GTA are a bit further down the list.

How are is this a bait thread I'm asking why Pokemon has shit graphics. Compared to other Nintendo first party games

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>>31477489
>They're not a AAA company with tons of money like Nintendo is.

Because they are handheld games?

Also jesus christ that Zelda. What the fuck happened?

>>31477462
The new mario art style is disgusting

>>31477621
First of all, the graphics aren't shit. Second, other franchises have been on home consoles which have more power than a handheld.

There's so much you can do on a 3DS.
SM already struggles running on it.

>>31477616
I'm talking about right now dude. GTA 5 sold over 50 million copies. COD even if it's shit can sell 10 million annually. Pokemon has 3 out of the top 4 selling 3ds games

>>31477595
>GTA and COD is bigger than mario

Nope

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_game_franchises

>Mario: 528.522 million
>Tetris: 495 million
>Sonic: 350 million
>Pokemon: 280 million
>Call of Duty: 250 million
>Grand Theft Auto: 240 million

That said, this only takes into account game sales; most of the money the Pokemon franchise makes comes from the anime and merchandise

>>31477639
Do you play games besides Pokemon? Graphics are a travesty

>>31477609
i doubt it works like this but bite me, this is out of my knowledge

>>31477648
Omg your not even reading my replies. I said Right now. Not 10- 20 years ago. This era. This decade

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>>31477462
I mean, they kind of can. It's just not practical to make 800+ high quality models for a handheld game.

>>31477664

The Pokemon models are so detailed and high-poly that the 3DS can barely handle it.

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When you increase the quality of a game series with each new installment, you have to continue meeting the new standard with the game after the next.
If GF made a pokemon game with a high budget to increase visuals, performance, content, etc., they have just created a new standard for themselves to meet for the next game.
Given how they have been releasing a new game every 1-2 years, that budget would become very difficult for a small company to achieve without cutting corners or adding HUGE delays to development time.
Compain about how lazy or greedy GFis because they dont go above and beyond, but one of the reasons GF holds back on making pokemon a sprawling, huge, beautiful world in every game is the matter of long term budgeting investment on their part. It'd be very difficult to pump out a game every year with a high budgeting, given the team's size and time constraints they already have problems managing as is.

>>31477646
Your comparing 2 consoles sales (since call of duty and GTA are both on the Xbox and playstation platforms) to a single handheld portable, so the numbers are going to be Larger.

>>31477730
Mario was on wii u. Didn't sell sytems

>>31477706
Thank you that's all I wanted to know.

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>>31477689
Why should that matter?
a games franchise's success is not built up in the single moment of release, It takes time for the fandom to grow and develop into a community that can still experience the game while sharing it with their friends, thus leading to more sales over time.
By your logic, Undertale would've been the most popular game of its era on the PC due to how much overexposure it had and people talking about it. but now look at it. The only people still talking about it are the most batshit crazed fans, where as Pokemon still has a more casual following, and appeals to both new and recurring consumers.

>>31477689
>Omg
>your
Fuck off.

>>31477763
was that the mario franchise's fault though?
no, it was nintendo's poor marketing decision and lack of forethought into 3rd party development software for the game pad.

>>31477621
Pokemon is neither Nintendo's nor first party

>>31477489
so, why pikachu is on the smash brothers?

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>>31477915

>>31477915
Sonic isn't Nintendo, fire enblam isn't Nintendo

>>31477871
Nintendo owns 33% of game freak. It's a system seller.

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>>31477915
>he doesn't get that smash is a mash up of all of Nintendo's affiliated companies and a few 3rd parties lending their characters for use in a fun fighting game developed by Hal Laboratories.

Please, Just stop before you hurt yourself.

>>31477932
>fire enblam isn't Nintendo

Yes it is, Intelligent Systems is a first-party Nintendo developers.

Game Freak and Pokemon are second-party.

>>31477689
>Omg your
You have to be 18 to post on this site.

>>31477706
Google has failed me. What is this from? Is it porn?

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>>31477954

Yes, Nintendo owns part of Game Freak, but Game Freak still operates as a separate company.

It works like this:

>Game Freak owns 34% of Pokemon
>Nintendo and Creatures Inc. own 33% each
>Nintendo owns 53% of Game Freak and 100% of Creatures Inc.
>Since Creatures is completely owned by Nintendo, Nintendo in actuality owns 66% of the franchise and Game Freak owns the other 34%

>>31477489
>They're not a AAA company with tons of money like Nintendo is.
Come on, their not that big! They only make and sell one of the biggest franchises ever!

>>31477706
SAUCE

>>31478087
Dude they've got less than 100 employees. It doesn't matter what your budget is, if you've got a small workforce, then you can't really utilize that budget.

>>31477915
Nintendo owns pokemon along with game freak and creatures.

>>31478087

Game Freak itself is a small company with less than 100 employees. Pokemon would have never gotten as big as it is were it not backed by Nintendo.

Nintendo takes the lion's share of the profit, and Game Freak gets the leftovers.

I wouldn't be shocked if the Pokemon brand made more than Nintendo in 2016. Pokemon really needs to leave Nintendo. Without Pokemon Nintendo is nothing. Pokemon is worldwide superstar. Put it on phones and playstation The wii was a flash in the pan

>>31477462
>Use some of the money you made from Pokemon go.
>Pokémon Go
>Making any money
http://venturebeat.com/2016/07/22/pokemon-go-isnt-making-as-much-money-for-nintendo-as-you-think/

>>31477646
So, you're literally twelve?

>>31478166
GF doesn't have the money to buy themselves out. It would certainly give Nintendo a different position in the global gaming world, though.

>>31478166
> pokemon game, 60fps 4k by 60$ on ps4
no, no ,no and no

>>31478166
>Pokemon really needs to leave Nintendo
And who has the money to buy it from them? Even if Nintendo decided to sell it for some reason, you're looking at a multi billion $$ purchase on top of hiring a whole bunch of new employees.

>>31478188
Nobody said Nintendo was making 100% of the profit. Shareholders bought Nintendo share in boatloads thinking it was and ceo clarified it. They make money. Mario game is out of top 50 grossing apps after less than 1 month. Pokemon go is still 10 after 6 months

>>31478166
This would be a fun flaming train wreck to watch.
DLC, Pay for IVs, Natures, Move tutors, o powers, instant egg hatching, more pokeballs

What could possibly go wrong

>>31477706
STOP TALKING ON TOPIC AND TELL ME WHAT THIS IS FROM YOU FUCKS.

>>31478282
STOP TALKING ON TOPIC AND TELL ME WHAT THIS IS FROM, YOU FUCKS.

>>31477538
delet--Preserve this.

>>31478281
Dlc is better than buying an upgraded version for full price if the game. And getting paid online now

>>31477706
What the fuck just happened in that image? Kek.

>>31478301
>Dlc is better than buying an upgraded version for full price if the game
>Defending DLC
You know, they actually should make the game complete by itself.

>>31478301
buying the upgraded version only is much cheaper than buyng the game+dlc

>>31478166

Do you really want microtransactions in Pokemon?

>>31478378
i want pokemon to reach its potential. nintendo is killing it. treating it 3rd party shit

>>31478378
Sure, it beats getting no content at all like we do now.

See I have a job, so I can afford that shit. If you moved out of mommy's basement and grew up maybe you could too.

>>31478418
>i want pokemon to reach its potential

Then why do you want it to become mobile pay to win trash?

>>31478418
Because it is third party shit. Didn't you play Sun & Moon?

Besides, Pokemon will never reach its "full potential" with how retarded Game Freak is that they couldn't even put a Vs. Seeker in Sun/Moon.

>>31477538
I was with you until you said Game Freak won't change the graphics of future games because one sold well.

>>31478166

Pokemon fans are Nintendo fans. They buy Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Animal Crossing, etc., not just Pokemon.

It wouldn't do as well on any other system because the Nintendo fans aren't there.

>>31478484
>Game Freak won't change the graphics of future games because one sold well.
I literally never said that. All I'm saying is they have no incentive to do a "Breath of the Wild" grade graphic overhaul. Small tweaks sure, but we are always going to be behind current generation games because Pokemon fans will buy these games despite the graphics being sub-par.

>>31478464
It's not 3rd party shit it's the fastest selling Nintendo game in USA and Europe.

>>31478516
Not true. I'm a Pokemon fan that only bought a 3ds for Pokemon. Play station is superior. That's why I care about Pokemon graphics

>>31477462

Ninendo knows that art style > graphics

>>31478166
If I remember correctly pokemon is split. 1/3 belongs to GF, 1/3 belongs to Nintendo, 1/3 belongs to the Pokemon Company (not sure what the fuck they're doing)

>>31478666

The last 1/3rd belongs to Creatures

The Pokemon Company is a joint venture between GF, Nintendo, and Creatures

The Pokemon Company is in charge of licensing and marketing for the franchise

>>31477462
Because the 3ds is stuck at 240p. The switch pokemon games will look great. Sun and moon still looks good but i hope we get a hd mainline pokemon games soon

>>31478711
What the fuck does Creatures even do?

>>31478550
Sales do not equal quality, only interest.

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>>31478752
>switch pokemon games

>>31478766
Gamefreak needed money to make Pokemon. Creatures gave it to them. Nintendo bought half of creatures. That's it. Nintendo got super lucky with Pokemon

>>31478766

TCG and some spin-off games.

>>31478791
>"No doubt Nintendo Switch is the future, but we will have to wait for it to come out to the market and study in what way can Pokemon benefit from it. When people get it, we will have to analyze how people use it and then think about how to develop future Pokemon titles and how to take advantage of the new console"
>http://nintendoeverything.com/game-freak-talks-pokemon-alola-forms-and-potential-return-series-future-more/

>>31478790
Reviews are awesome too. So just you don't like it

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>>31478571
>can't even spell the name their favorite system right
>says pokemon needs better graphics


Tell me how this isn't bait

>>31477706
>>31478292
STOP TALKING ON TOPIC AND TELL ME WHAT THIS IS FROM, YOU FUCKS.

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>>31478807
>in what way can Pokemon benefit from it
0 ways, phamalam
>shit meme console
>paid online
>implying nintendo won't make a new handheld

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>>31478821
GOOGLE IMAGE SEARCH YOU FUCKING FAGGOT

>>31478796
Nintendo should give it as much love as they do Zelda and Mario, then. I realize GF are the developers, but Nintendo could definitely funnel money into it.

>>31478799
So garbage then.

>>31478166
The nintendo switch is the only handheld gaming console right now. Pokemon can achieve great things on the switch. Gamefrak said pokemon will stay on handheld consoles. We really dont need micro transactions in pokemon and iphones are too weak to handle AAA games. The switch is the absolute perfect console for Pokémon.

>>31478855

It's not Nintendo's responsibility to give Game Freak money. Mario and Zelda are their franchises.

Pokemon is Game Freak's responsibility, Nintendo just publishes the games.

>>31478855
Nintendo didn't even pay for the super bowl commercial last year. Doesn't have a character in Mario kart 8. Pokemon easily outsells zelda. If it wasn't made by miytombo they don't give a fuck about it

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>>31478828
CANT FIND IT HELP>>31477706

>>31478826
Nintendo would only make a new handheld if the switch fails.

>>31478871
>iphones are too weak to handle AAA games.
iphones are literally more powerful than the 3DS by far.
>MUH SWITCH
The switch is shit and will crash and burn just like the wii.

>>31478874
Just because they don't develop it doesn't mean they can't take an interest. Nintendo has a majority share in Gamefreak, they could easily help fund it. It's worth their time to do so.

>>31478892
as of now it will

>>31478874
In Japan Pokemon games are published by tpc not nintendo

>>31478807
this is stupid, GF are the first persons who know how the switch works, i think they want switch sold well then they can confirmed good sales for pokemon games

>>31478874
If monster hunter wanted to go ps4 and X box capcon. Pokemon is game freak responablitity but can only make it for Nintendo. Even though it's the biggest brand they have besides Mario kart. Nintendo treating the Pokemon brand like a slave

>>31478900
Iphones arent optimized for gaming like the 3ds and switch are.

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>>31478900
>Crash and burn like the WII
this is like some sort of new level of retardation that we have never seen before...

Fuck Nintendo I hope switch crashes and burns

>>31478970
no need to be so stingy about it.

>>31478950
I meant the Wii U.

>>31478920
GF is just curtsying around the question trying to sound professional and humble when in reality they just dont want to jump ship from a supermassive playerbase to literally nothing

Game Freak has never ever developed a Pokemon game for a home console, they've always been farmed out to other companies like HAL Labs (the Stadium games), Genius Sonority (Colosseum/XD and Battle Revolution), and Creatures (PokePark games).

They're a handheld-only developer.

>>31479140
And?

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>>31477462
In the paper, to keep games cheap and affordable to stingy parents.
They're portable games, so not much money is put into them and games are cheaper to produce than console games. Sm4sh Bros sold better on 3DS than on Wii U, so in a business standpoint, people don't care too much about crispy graphics as they do about the price of their games.

This, and 3DS shitty resolution limits a lot of what can be done about graphics. Citra emulation showed that, at least, Pokemon is already halfway to look nicely in 1080p and 4k. Textures, though, are the issue, as they use just 256x256. In this case, cartridge capacity is to blame.

Consider there are 802 Pokemon in total. Adding Alternate forms and Alolan forms we get about 900. Add shinies. 900 x 2 = 1800. Each Pokemon has 3 or 4 sets of textures. 1800 x 3.5 = 6300. All these textures would add up to 1.2 GB if uncompressed, which would ramp up to about 80 GB if we use 2048x2048 resolution textures. Compression magic would make wonders and reduce the size to about 1/10. But still, we get almost 8 GB. Only on textures. Consider now meshes, animations, NPCs, landscapes, maps, etc.

Zelda, Mario and Monster Hunter series can do that because you have a limited set of foes and NPCs compared to Pokemon.

The 3D transition of mainline games was a huge undertaking if you think about it. And yet you have custom animations for each fucking Pokemon in battles and in Amie, conveying each one's personality. Obviously they would focus more on the most popular ones like Lucario and Gardevoir, but still, you can see they tried to do that on the animations.

>inb4 Gamefreak shill

>>31479201
This
Im ready for HD Pokémon. You can tell that they were preparing for the future with those models. All they need to do is upscale the textures and the models will be ready

>>31477462
>Why can't Pokemon games look like this.
Because they're handheld games and the hardware is very limited.
Pokemon on consoles looks much better, just look at the particle effects in pokemon Gale of darkness.

>>31478518
>we are always going to be behind current generation games because Pokemon fans will buy these games despite the graphics being sub-par.
I play pokemon because it's fun and i like collecting them, i don't care about graphics as long as they're not terrible, and pokemon graphics on SM are pretty good.

>>31479201
do what your saying is. gamefreak is awesome and people should stop complaining about missing features unless they wanted to wait 3 or 4 years for games. thank u i agree. love u junichi

>>31479282
>I play pokemon because it's fun and i like collecting them, i don't care about graphics as long as they're not terrible, and pokemon graphics on SM are pretty good
And I agree with this mindset, anon. I was just explaining why Pokemon will NEVER have top tier next gen graphics.

>>31477489
Just so you know, none of Nintendo's games have a AAA budget.

>>31479391

And that's the secret to their success. Nintendo doesn't waste their money on "photorealistic" graphics and huge marketing campaigns and Mountain Dew/Doritos sponsorships, they focus on the actual gameplay and giving their games aesthetically pleasing artstyles.

>>31477706
>that budget would become very difficult for a small company to achieve without cutting corners or adding HUGE delays to development time.
Then you use some common sense and hire more workers to meet the demand. It's not like GF is currently struggling financially. Also taking their time and actually planning a game can only improve the quality of the product at this point.

>It'd be very difficult to pump out a game every year with a high budgeting, given the team's size and time constraints they already have problems managing as is.
They have problems managing alright but not for the reasons you've stated

>>31477834
>and lack of forethought into 3rd party development software for the game pad.
Apparently it's extremely easy to develop for the Wii U so I wouldn't call it a lack of forethought regarding the software as much as how lazy and demanding 3rd parties have become over the years.
It's really just a matter of them not wanting to learn something new.

>>31478796
Nintendo owns all of creatures.
In other words they have majority ownership over pokemon.

>>31479547
Then Pokemon is first party

>>31479557

First party in terms of ownership, second party in terms of development.

Game Freak operates as a separate company, and they make non-Pokemon games for other platforms.

>>31479604
The problem there is that no one cares for the Tembos, Pocket Jockeys and Harmoknights.
All they care for is Pokemon.

>>31477462
Can we take a minute to look at the detail in the Mario art holy shit
>reflections in his buckles and eyes
>individuals hairs
>indiviual chords in his denim

Hell, on bigger renders you can even make out individual pores in his skin.

>>31477462
Because they're not console games?

We only just got 3D. Be patient, nigga.

>>31479681
The problem is that GF is doing fuck all regarding both the visual quality and gameplay.
Ever since gen 6 we've been on a steep decline quality wise.

>>31478516
Nope I have 3ds for Pokémon and maybe a few other Mario games but my Xbox is where I game

Not all Pokemon fans are Nintendo fans. I honestly play Mario kart and Pokemon that's it. Every thing else from Nintendo vis corny

>>31477472
>wanting games to develop is retarded
K but true >>31477472

Mario doesn't look as comfy as it usually does. The faces on the Zelda game look weird too this time.

>>31477543
That's the industry evolving because of consumerism how the world has always worked and always will.

>>31477462
I don't want Pokemon to look like they belong Xavier Renegade Angel.

Your idea is terrible.

Also, EAD hasn't touched a Pokemon game since the N64 days, just because Pokemon's a Nintendo IP doesn't mean everyone draws from the same staff.

Granted, it IS possible for MonolithSoft to offer development assistance in theory.

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>>31478603
There is no reason both of these can't coexist with minimal effort given the switch is a wii u+

>>31477489
they have one of the most popular/best selling game franchises in history and also milk it with multiple versions, how can they possibly not have enough money to do it?

>>31480788

Having two versions is for the trading/communication aspect of Pokemon, the number of people who actually buy both versions is too small to have any significant impact on sales.

And they also don't do "third versions" anymore.