Remember when they put effort drawing Pokemon?

>>31467753
Me neither.

>>31467753

Remember when people didn't complain about every fucking tiny thing that bothers them, and instead just managed to have fun?

>a ball

no

>>31467776
Do you believe people come here for fun?

>>31467753
You realize that hand-drawn is easier to do than drawing on a computer, right? Like, you're aware of the fact that it takes more effort to draw the same thing on a computer than on a piece of paper?

>Clean lines
Why in God's name is this presented as a bad thing?

>>31467753
>Incineroar
>copypasted
what

>>31467776
No, no I don't.

>>31467791
Those clean lines are draw with a pen tool, all the same thickness. It's bland and shows how little effort they put into it.

>>31467792
>on some pokemon
i said. Like youngoos' head and alola sandslash's arm

>>31467753
>includes the art for Charizard and Typhlosion from the remakes
>doesn't include the art for the Mega Charizards and Mega Blaziken because they would undermine his point by showing that the differences that he describes between 3+4 and 5+6 are entirely made up
Gee.

>>31467791
Yeah I don't think so. It's all about what you've practiced in. I have a heck of a lot an easier time drawing in Photoshop than I ever did on paper and that's because of practice.

I miss the watercolours. I like new designs, but gens 1/2 had the best art style hands down.

>>31467812
>all the same thickness
The fuck are you on about? So are the lines on Blaziken, FRLG Charizard, Infernape, and HGSS Typhlosion.

The only one there that has truly a visible difference in line width is RGBY Charizard, and it looks like ass.

>>31467816
Mega Charizard =/= Charizard

>>31467822
I think we can safely assume that Sugimori has more years of practice on paper than on a Wacom.

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Nearly every Nintendo series has gone through an artstyle shift at some point, that's what happens with franchises that have been going on for 20+ years.

>I've got no idea what I'm talking about but I have to shitpost

>>31467847
Oh, okay, so you're actually just retarded. You should have just led with that.

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>>31467812
>if it's messy, you know that they put more effort into it!
I dunno, I'm fairly certain that a clay bowl with obvious thumbprints on it had less effort put in than a smooth one without such blemishes.

>>31467776
That didn't happen moron

>>31467753
>Clean lines in contrast to the previous gen's jaggy-ness
>Gens 5 and 6
Is that mislabeled? Gens 5 and 6 have the exact same linework as the Gens before it, because they're all done by Sugimori. There's no difference in "jaggy-ness" between 3, 4, 5, and 6.

It's not until Gen 7 that the linework becomes cleaner, and that's only because Sugimori didn't do the artwork for non-Alolan form Pokémon, excluding things like Zygarde 10%.

>>31467898
>clay bowl with obvious thumbprints on it
Hand crafted by a seasoned artist in his workshop

>smooth one without such blemishes
Mass produced in a Chinese factory

>>31467847
I didn't know bait could get to this level of mental retardation

the 3 1st gen starters all have exactly the same face

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>>31467894A

>>31467930
>smooth one without such blemishes
Hand crafted by a seasoned artist who actually knows what the fuck he's doing.

>>31467753
I remember those shitty ass sprites from Red and Green, though.

>>31467753

>Gen 1 & 2: Sugimori was just starting out, and mainly copied Akira Toriyama

>Gen 3-6: Sugimori developed his own style

>Gen 7: Not drawn by Sugimori

>>31467930
>obvious thumbprints
>seasoned artist

>>31467958
thick black line STOP slightly less black line
they don't even flow into one another

This thread proves people will get angry and argue over the slightest things

>>31468001
So...using multiple different types of line is bad now? I thought it was good!

You're very confusing, anon.

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>>31467948
Not really.

>>31468017
Fuck you, no we won't.

>>31467854
Is he even doing the art anymore?

>>31468037
bitch those aren't the starters those are starter evos

>>31468037
Only because Charizard has horns instead of ears and Venusaur has circular eyes.

They have the same basic m-shaped mouths with four prominent fangs. Venusaur and Blastoise have the same ears, Blastoise and Charizard have the same eyes.

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>>31468025
Oh, yes, so similar

>>31468050
He did the art for many of the trainers and all of the Alolan forms. He also did Magearna, Zygarde 10% and Zygarde Cell.

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>>31467753
Are you the same guy that made this?

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>>31468077
What are you getting at? The linework is consistent across gens 3-6, even the art he did for 7 is consistent with his previous work.

>>31468131
>oversized head argument
>not only is it blatantly retarded but look at Charmander's own oversized noggin literally right next to one of the 'criticisms'

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This is a pretty damn solid piece of art IMO

>>31468077
>that pixelation difference
You're not seriously trying to compare these, are they? It's impossible to tell what's actually there on the left-hand image versus what's just a product of artifacting

>>31468131
To be entirely fair, Gurdurr IS an ugly piece of shit.

>>31468287
>but look at Charmander's own oversized noggin literally right next to one of the 'criticisms

You mean the one that still shows how the two new Pokemon have FAR more disproportionate heads than Charmander? I don't get your point.

>>31467753
OP. I hate to break it to you but Gen 3 was also colored on a computer. Likely gen 1 and 2 as well. Those water color type effects aren't too hard to get.

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Yes.

Reminder about shitting on Pokemon designs while I post this stale, nonexistant Yokai Watch bait for million times

>>31469484
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>>31469498
Oh boy. Some adding dumb "cool" text to the original artwork and "lame' text to the newer one. Surely this will convince us of our wrongful ways.

god damn u faggots will complain about anything, you can still play the old games if u dont like the new

>>31469519
Honestly, there's no way to add cool text to the ones on the right. They're literally generic poses.

>>31469540
>namefag
>SmugBonnie
At least remember that your opinion doesn't matter if you namefag unnecessarily.

>>31469540

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>>31469001
>Silvally is actually very mediocre in battle
It's not fair. This thing should've gotten 100 stats across the board at the least.

Honest, 100% super serious question for those who support and advocate the OP's argument(along with the OP himself): Why is this such a big deal? Why do you care? Can you explain if this has detracted your continued experience in playing Pokemon games?

>>31469612
A very good question. If we compare, say, the art and the model for Delphox, we can see that the art doesn't line up to the games, anyway.

>>31469649
I'm worried that if you have to make a stretch any further than what you've done already, you'll tear something.

>>31469668
That's just shifty fake b8, give us something to actually discuss other than blatant lies.

>>31469586
Fuck that. It should have actually gotten a movepool.

>>31469612
It's not as big as OP makes it sound but I like the aesthetics better in lots of 90s concept art for vidya.

>>31469632
>exposing underbelly, holding out stub arm

>defensive position with shell, ready to fire cannons

second blastoise is better

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>>31469540
>>31469577
>>31469573
If you're gonna use a trip to bait do it correctly, homo.

>>31467753

Your comparing artwork to the actual models?

Alola mons were specifically meant to be 3D Before drawing them

Thats why they look weird, because the 3D Models are what matters

>>31469715
>ready to fire cannons
>when they're fucking backwards

hahahahaha

>>31469719
Why do I need a secure one? Not like anyone cares enough.

If you're gonna be a shithead, do it correctly, Stan. : )

>>31469797
they can obviously be aimed, dumbass

ITT: People who know nothing about art discuss art.
>>31467894
The inconsistent thickness on Feraligatr's linework is armature as fuck and most all art directors would throw this back at the artist and tell him to do it over, especially if said drawing was going to be printed and distributed.
Aurorus' linework is much better in that it's consistent with it's lines, and manages to use a brush that has a rough, papery texture without having obvious dips in thickness like on Feraligatr. It can be made transparent easily, which is useful when it needs to be put on something like a book cover, or printed out as a sticker.
>>31467812
>>It's bland and shows how little effort they put into it.
What takes 'little effort' is having shitty lineart and not bothering to make it look good at a high resolution. Have you ever drawn a picture in your life?

>>31469923
not backwards.

>>31469979
You would prefer a single thickness throughout the entire drawing rather than variation?

>>31469696
That too.

>>31470040
Anon, they're finished works - not concept art for a book.

Line weight doesn't cross over well to official, finished designs for kids games.

Anyway, a lot of gen1 and 2 designs (the style) remind me of a students starting portfolio. The later versions are cleaned and ready to be updated. That's just how I relate them to one another from my experience.

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>>31470040
It depends on the type of drawing. Generally speaking, you'd want to have a thick outline, but when it comes to the details on a character, you'd want thinner lines, but even then, you want both of these lines to be consistent so they look neat Pic related is an okay example of this, not the best but I don't save that many images of official art. It shows a thick outer line but the details have thinner lines, there's variation and it's good. The difference between this and the drawing I quoted earlier is that the Feraligatr has poor markmaking, the line variation wasn't a stylistic choice, rather a byproduct in the fact that the artist couldn't keep a steady hand when making the strokes with the pen, hence why it's armature.

>>31467753
last one does look flat and unfinished.
now imagine how horrible it would be if they actually used that god awful art style not only in the games but also for the anime series....shit,
oh wait! that already is the case. RIP in peaces pokemon

It was crazy apparent that Sugimori didn't draw the official artworks as soon as the Starters' ones came out.

I really hate this, it feels horrible, like if they make a new Pokémon game and decide to cut the National Pokédex off.
Oh.
Fuck i hate Gen 7, they screwed up so much.

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>>31469593
Can these get more arbitrary?

>>31469705
It's an immobile cocoon: hanging from a tree is exactly what it should do.

>>31471340
>like if they make a new Pokémon game and decide to cut the National Pokédex off

Why do people care about this so much?
They weren't gonna get new entries anyway.

The dex will be in Bank. Literally what is the negative?

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>>31469498
Kill yourself, you waste of air.

That isn't to mention that you aren't even posting their original artwork.

>>31471385
Because it feels so incomplete.

Incomplete = Negative

Gotta catch'em all > no National Dex

>>31471410
>gotta catch'em all
>and trade
>and breed
>and transfer
Yeah, really "catch'em all" in every game.

>>31471441
Yes, but still in National Dex

>>31467753
>water colours
good god, /vp/ is truly full of retards.

>>31471445
>this doesn't count as national dex because i say so
Okay.

Also not forcing transfering makes it inherently superior.

>>31471410
You can still catch'em all, though. What does that have to do with having a National Dex in the same game?

>>31471483
Completeness

>>31471524
But you can complete it.

lol your all such fucking idiots.
I bet most of you haven't even attempted to do line work digitally. That shit is hard, way harder than pen on paper. But do you know why they do it?

For a clean, clear look. Thats why the colours have become more vibrant, and the shading muted. This game is SUPPOSED to appeal to kids. Kids are attracted to clean, vibrant artwork. Thats why cartoons go for the simple look instead of the old school Beatrix Potter detailed style. The realistic shading and detail just off puts the audience. Times have changed. Simple is more effective. It conveys the design much easier.

This game's primary audience is children. Not sweaty basement dwellers posting on an otaku forum. If you want more detailed Pokemon, look at Arvalis' work.

>>31471535
Without recording anything

>>31471586
But you do.

>>31471598
You don't, because there's no in-game National Dex.

>>31468037
There is this thing called unevolved pokémon too y'know.

>>31467791
Not necessarily. Drawing on a computer just has a bit of a learning curve.

Once you get used to it though, it becomes extremely convenient.

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>>31468131
>>31469172
>>31469484
>>31469493
>>31469498
>>31469593
>>31469608
>>31469620
>>31469632
>>31469649
>>31469663
>>31469680
>>31469705
>>31469854
>shitting on pokemon designs
A reminder to get a load of this and be grateful for what you have

>>31467776
I remember that before the internet when I was young.

>>31468226
u know, its useless trying to argue with some oldgenner fag

>>31472046
These look good.

>>31467753
New artist is indeed horible, bad posing, flat colors and simply no charm. I remember we had a thread about this back when leaks from SM came.

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>>31471387
¿?

>>31467753
>gen 5-7 are not band drawn
Retard.

>>31471720
That doesn't prevent a National dex from being completed.

>>31473032
Yes, but nothing is recorded.

>>31471720
GTS records

>>31472111
The density of your skull must be enough to survive thousands of pounds of pressure

>>31470258
Pic related looks non-uniform, as if the belt and eyes were photoshopped in poorly. That's not good concept art.

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>>31472046
>This
Well time to post this again
>you will never get a proper Yokaimon fangame