Why exactly was Zygarde's Complete Form banned?

>>31455802
That fucking ridiculous bulk.
Only being walled by Grass and Bug types just by using a single move.
SubCoil

>>31455802
Disgusting bulk. Gains HP on proc. Sub Coil sets literally made it unkillable

>>31455827
>>31455862

Ice attacks weren't good enough to deal with it?

>>31455890
Have a quad weakness doesn't make something balanced.

>>31455890

>Zygarde boosts stats.
>Ice move brings it into power construct range.
>Zygarde boosts stats again while the second ice move fails to kill it due to BALK.
>Zygarde sweeps.

resttalk set is fucking ridiculous

>why is this Pokemon with Chansey-tier bulk with actual offenses and a STAB ground type move that ignores ground type's most blatant weakness overpowered guys

>Dragon Dance on anything
>They hit you into Power Construct
>sweep

>>31455802

Imagine Eviolite Chansey that trades its clerical ability for offensive presence.

Now you understand why its banned.

>>31455890
Actually, no.

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>>31455802
Perfect Zygarde has an absurd amount of bulk plus has access to a Ground move that can hit Flying types and pokemon with Levitate.

Even if we ignore its offensive capabilities, stall would become completely impossible to beat if they use Zygarde-C. Like, your only hope would be to KO Zygarde in such a way that it doesn't trigger its complete form. Chansey and Zygarde-C wall basically 95% of everything, and then they have another four pokemon.

>>31456123
Just use worry seed and toxic. Instant win.

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>>31456158
>packing worry seed to deal with exactly one pokemon
>it just DDs up three times anyway and sweeps your whole team before it dies to toxic because you wasted 3 turns in front of a fucking DD mon
Nice idea anon.

Even 50% Zygarde is crazy good now just by getting access to Thousand Arrows. People tend to underestimate how good Ground-type without the Flying/Levitate immunity is.

>>31455802
This is their reasoning, straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/power-construct-zygarde-complete-is-now-banned-to-ubers.3587554/

Basically, zygarde complete had such absurd bulk it could set up in the face of what would've been checks to it, allowing it to utilize rest talk thousand arrows with either DD or coil to set up and sweep way too easily.

>>31456158
I don't think Power construct can be suppressed, similar to aegislash's stance change.

>>31455802
Hail to the king

>>31456191
I think he meant leech seed.

The million dollar question remains.

Does it trump Mega Rayquaza?

>>31456725
No

>>31456725

No, if it was anywhere near Mega fug, it would have been banned day one.

>>31456251
*queen

>>31456725
Lorewise, yes.
Gameplay wise, not even close.

>>31456759
I thought it WAS banned day one.

>taunt
>Heal block

>>31456811

Nope. It was banned pretty quick but it wasn't insta banned like every box legendary aside from Suicune. (Kyurem-B got unbanned later after everyone realized its shit)

>>31455890

252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Icicle Crash vs. +1 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde-Complete: 395-468 (62.8 - 74.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Why did people think it wouldn't be good in the first place when it's stats were first revealed? Did literally no one think to do any calcs?

>>31456979
because /vp/ is retarded as fuck, same thing happened with lunala

>>31456979
>muh 4x ice weakness
Literally only reason.

>>31456866

If that became popular, people would switch to offensive DD Zygarde.

>>31456986
How good is Lunala in ubers, anyways?

>>31456701
Even then he's still getting roasted more than chestnuts over an open fire

>>31457014
I don't use showdown, but I remember last month seeing some viability list for Ubers and lunala was high up if my memory serves me correctly

>>31457014

Top 5 according to the usage stats, most common movesets are Specs and Scarf. Ghost is a nice STAB for Ubers.

>>31457029
Sub seed would ruin zygarde. That's a shitload of HP you'd be leeching off it.

Here's a idea guys i know it might sound weird and scary for you sheep but..

How about you stop listing to Smogon and think for yourselves?

>>31457109
>/vp/
>thinking
>by itself

>>31457109
If I wanted to be contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, I'd just shitpost on /v/

>>31457109
Anyone with a brain can see complete zygarde was busted.

>212 base HP
>708 total base stats
Gee, I wonder...

>>31457140
People were just stuck on the cancerous Zygarde is cucked meme.

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>>31457109
Yeah, because /vp/ have shown themselves to be the highest class of competitive pokemon discussion.

some people just don't want others to be complete

>>31457109
Fuck the smogonfags, use you're bros!

>>31455890
ask mega fug about it

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>>31457684
but she's already OU

>>31457707
You are my nigga

>>31457416
But everyone in that screenshot is completely right.

>>31458617
No it isn't.

>>31455802
It's basically a physical Blissy except not completely helpless offensively thanks to Coil.

>>31455802
>Snover used Ice Shard!

It's trash

I'm sad nobody uses thousand waves

>>31458847
Try harder.

252+ Atk Snover Ice Shard vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Zygarde: 112-136 (17.6 - 21.3%) -- possible 7HKO after Leftovers recovery

>>31458937
thousand arrows is just so much better
And if you wanted a ground type that trapped might as well use dugtrio

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>>31458847

252+ Atk Snover Ice Shard vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Zygarde: 156-184 (24.5 - 28.9%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery

try again, friendo

>>31458937
I tried it once on snek Zygarde, and it was a wasted moveslot most of the time.

How do you use it?

>>31457416
>all those people shitting on zekrom
what gives? Niggas still good, not reshiram tier anyway.

>>31458617
It's A- rank in ubers, same as lunala, above the likes of lugia. I'd say its pretty good.

>>31456979
/vp/ doesn't know shit about competitive, more at eleven

I remember when ORAS was about to release people kept saying Mega Metagross is shit too

>>31457097
What's fast enough to set up seeds before Zyg subs?
And even if seeded, do you really think you couldn't switch out and come back when the seeder is dead?

>>31459090
I don't. That "nobody" included myself.

>>31455890
>he fell for the spheal used ice shard meme

>>31457054
Plus its ability can't be nullified by Mold Breaker unlike Multiscale.

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>>31456251
You called?

>>31455802
Anyone know a good set for pc Zygarde?