Why do these get so much hate? They are much better than Su/Mo.

>>31425945
Because they aren't

Boring main story.
Wtf is team flare they dont even use fire types.
Music is shit
Fuck the shauna tierno, and the emo orange hair kid crew.
Way too easy even without exp share. At least sun and moon were challenging without exp share.
Literally was made to get 3d models for the pokemom for newer games

>>31425945
because /vp/ hates anything related to gen1

>>31425957
Honestly, they are superior in every way but story.

>>31425992
Not to mention a lot of the characters are forgettable. I dont even remember half the gym leaders or even the elite 4.

>>31425992
They aren't called "Flare" because they use fire types, it's about the Ultimate Weapon's laser being Ragnarok (Lysandre is Surtr) and a pun on flair.

>>31425945
What's SuMo? I know about SM but not SuMo

>>31426039
Didnt know that. But i still stand for my other arguments.

>>31425992
You forgot
not enough original pokemon
extremely forgettable characters
Horrible writing which killed a romantic subtext and made literally the worst evil team leader in the series
2 of the worst starters in the series
It's no wonder they attempted to shoehorn Zygarde and Greninja into another generatoin

SM, OP. SM.

>>31426083
Music is subjective. I personally enjoyed it.
Plot makes a lot of sense, but it assumes you actually read the dialogue, unlike what people on /vp/ do.
Trevor wasn't emo, just a weird haircut. But yeah, the friends were annoying and the game was easy.

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>>31426133
>people hate this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb-_MU2hKLE

fuckign homos

>>31426160
Yeah that song was shit. Snowbelle and the Legendary themes were the only good songs out of XY

>>31426133
Music is subjective but i know alot of people who dont like it. Other then that, the main reason i play pokemon is for the plot. Its just so boring and you dont feel any emotion towards any of the characters, even your rival serena/callum. In SM you at least have lillie

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>>31426184
>lillie

waifufag pls go.

>>31426174
The Legendary theme isn't even that good. You could have at least said the E4 theme or Lysandre's theme.
>>31426184
I suggest you to read Lysandre's dialogues and ACTUAL reasons (i.e.: not the memes parrotted here) again then. And Looker's sidequest, if you skipped it.

>>31425945
Because it feels half assed.
It's like they were doing well until the Geosenge city and somebody urged the developers with the deadlines and made the rest in the last month.

This goes for everything, I want to think that the character development was envisioned to be much better than what they delivered.

Plus Sugimori-san forced too many things in this games like ruining Sligoo's evolution with Goodra and shoving Lucario in your ass, like it or not.

>>31426241
Lysandre's dialogue is lost on 5 NPCs saying that he's a great guy that doesn't do wrong. His motivation in either game is retarded, Moreso in X where he throws a tantrum when you foil him and, instead of killing you, tries to make you immortal. Even GF realised that he had little to no motivation besides "cynic nihilism" which is why he was killed in every publication

>>31425945
>Kalosperms are defending XY
>mfw the Zelda cycle is true for Pokémon games
Kek

>>31426305
>Moreso in X where he throws a tantrum when you foil him and, instead of killing you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMYLJ9NlP1Y

>>31426133
>Plot
I think "pacing" is the word he was lookig for

>meet Lysandre twice before
>beat 7th gym
>suddenly calls you to tell you he is going to kill everyone
>go beat him immediately afterwards
>oh yeah! This is the legendary btw
>that was the climax

>>31426160
>not at least posting this
http://youtu.be/LIsIdfNTC0M

I'm not gonna say yours was bad. In fact i can't even think of a single bad track in all of pokemon right now, but post the really good stuff dude

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>>31426258
>like ruining Sligoo's evolution with Goodra
You do know hes not the only one who designs pokemon right?

>and shoving Lucario in your ass, like it or not.
How? He only designs pokemon.

>>31426305
He's not a "cynic nihilist", that's Cyrus. All his motives are flat out stated by himself. Also, he tries to force immortality on you because the HQ is going to be buried under boulders anyway and you're going to be stuck with him, unable to do anything. In Y, he just tries to kill you anyway.
>>31426344
This is something I can agree with. The pacing was terrible, too much stuff happening only at the end and should have had a better build up rather than an old man telling you about Yveltal/Xerneas, although I liked how he criticized the hypocrisy of people who had promoted war and then avoided the burden of all those deaths with "I-it's the Legendary's fault, I swear!".

>>31426305
>not knowing that if you kill your enemies, they win

>>31425945
SM didn't release a game with a save ruining glitch in the main attraction of the game that you visit multiple times

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>>31425945

>>31425945
That's like, your opinion.

XY were loads better, other than character design.
SM is literally, gen 6.5 in terms of stuff like the dex. granted both were lacking in new mons.
and it is sadly prototype for whatever Stars is gonna be. its missing so much in game action, especially on the last island.
I freaking beat SM in a week, there is nothing to it.

>>31426184
>the main reason i play pokemon is for the plot

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I hate XY too but even I know you're a fucking faggot.

>>31426747
Considering there's literally 20 hours of gameplay in XY, that's an improvement

>>31426747
>a week

The game is so small and easy why the fuck did it take a week?

>>31425992
>Music is shit
The music is pretty good. I agree with the rest.

>>31426747
>a week

That's longer than most games for me

>>31426174
>Not liking Sycamore's theme.

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>>31425945

>They are much better than Su/Mo.
Nope, literally the only good thing about X and Y were the new mechanics and maybe...maybe megas. Everything else was so bad that I haven't even touched the game in nearly a year. Even ORAS were better than it.

>>31426936
funny i feel same way about Su/Mo

> fucking fat gay and Justin Bieber like orange asshole
>muuuuhhh Sereeenachaaaan
> Team Flare sucking dick everytime
> You can complete it just by pressing A
> Retarded difficult level
> Besides Xerneas and Yveltal, horrible legendaries. Zygarde because they can, Mewtwo in a cave that has no dungeon or something, and old legendary bird for no reason
> Lack of move tutors
> (personal) Hate the artistic design
> Chespin
> muuuuhhh Greninja Iku Z otaku fag
> Nastyflame Brave fucking bird
> Aegislash
> Klefki
> Stupid cities
> Stupid music
> Not be able to fuck Shauna

Still better than Sun/Moon

>>31426747
> a week
step it the fuck up

those horrid roller skates or awkward dpad

>>31426174
I actually agree with this anon. Except geosenge was okay too. And power plant was definitely good.
4 songs isn't a good OST though, and it isn't a good pokemon OST at that.
I mean, I enjoyed the OST in other gens more, and could name more songs I liked.

>>31425945
Once you get past SM's cute graphics you'll realize that it has less to offer than XY.

I did many runs of gen 6, but my first gen 7 file is stuck at 40 gameplay hours. I can't go on. It removed everything good about gen 6 and added tedium in its place.

And the meta... I'll forever regret complaining about Kangaskhan and Charizard. Tapus and Z-moves are ten times worse.

It's sad, but I think that gen 7 will be the one where I stop playing.

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>>31427416
>SuMo is literally so fuckawful that /vp/ considers it worse than what was previously considered the worst game in the series
Pokemon is dead fucking confirmed. The mass abandonment of this once-beloved series is absolutely real.

>>31427416
Same feeling here.

After beat Sun Moon was like "ok what now?"
The items for breeding are locked in a stupid vicious circle. SOS system is fucking annoying. There's no safari and I've entered to the plaza thing just to do some shitty trades in GTS or WT.

I used to hate megas, but z moves are lazy as hell. Also, as a game by itself, XY has more things to offer than Sun/Moon

>>31427599
You're best off abandoning this husk of the series. Everyone on this board is in the same boat.
https://www.strawpoll.me/12135065

I'll be honest I prefer XY for many reasons but I'm not gonna quit playing gen7. X runs better on my ds, I like the music more and graphics to some degree at least for using the d pad. I prefer the XY story, and I like everything about the interface even though sun and moon has more features like the IV checker. If XY had that..

>>31425992
>SuMo challenging in any way
you're either retarded or went on a run full with heavily underleveled trashmons

>>31427584
The worst part is that Sun is my second Pokemon game that I've bought within the first days of its release (the other was X after skipping 3rd, 4th and 5th gen) because money and third world shits.

Suddenly I realized I was convincing myself that Sun/Moon is not so bad as I thought "you know what? XY wasn't so bad after all" but the reality is they're worse, feels like a worse developed games because the frame rate issues and the lack of national pokedex (I completed for first time a living Dex in ORAS)

>>31427584
unfortunately every game in the series has similar issues

>>31425945
>absolutely bland and shit rival
>the most horrific sidekicks the franchise has ever seen
>most forgettable champ in Pokehistory
>ridiculously gay evil team
>the most retarded evil cause since gen3s "I want to drown the planet to make the world better", evil mastermind is basically Hitler only in much weirder
>no post game, battle tree at least tried to be refreshing even though it failed
>the games were so bad, they didn't even bother to make a third version like usual

You don't have to like sun and moon to see that X and Y are by far the worst Pokemon games in history. Period. You can shit talk and spout "bad taste" all you want because that won't change this fact.

>>31427584
>SuMo is literally so fuckawful that /vp/ considers it worse than what was previously considered the worst game in the series
But you're aware that "/vp/" isn't only one or two guys, right? In fact it's pretty much agreed here that SuMo are pretty damn good, at least compared to the trainwreck that was XY. It's just two to three autists in one thread complaining about shit, nothing more. XY was much worse at the time and it still is.

XY > Sun/Moon

Everything ok with 6th gen got nuked, and all the new things are poorly lazy implemented mechanics.

>>31428236
>Everything ok with 6th gen got nuked
so what exactly are you talking about again? I don't seem to remember ok things from gen 6

>>31428315
>Pokemon variety
>level grinding in restaurants
>breeding
>Super Training
>Triples and Rotations
>Battle Chateau
>Hordes
>Friend Safari
>PSS
>O-powers

>>31425945
Because they're the worst games in the series for a plethora of reasons
On top of this they introduced shit like mega evolution and fairy type that will pollute every game after it because Game Freak doesn't do retcons of mechanics

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>>31429510
>Z-Moves
>auto-terrain

>>31429543
>Z-moves
Far more balanced than megas, much easier to back out on in later gens
>auto-terrain
fair point, but isn't that shit only on legendaries?

>>31428315
>>31429479
> Real national Dex
> real player customization instead of pallets swaps of the same cloth
> Speed or at least a decent frame rate
> Stay online in over world
> Dungeons and routes variety
> No SOS bullshit
> Mediocre but there is a post-game

>>31429543
>50+ new forms ranging from Too strong for ubers to worse than base form
>A brand new OP type that has 2 weaknesses with no coverage

>>31429611
>Far more balanced than megas
252+ SpA Tapu Lele Shattered Psyche (175 BP) vs. 180 HP / 0 SpD Heatran in Psychic Terrain: 118-139 (62.4 - 73.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

70% damage on a resist is NOT balanced. Not even Kangaskhan or Salamence could deal that much damage.

>>31428315
Kek, stay quiet, alolafag.

>>31429650
>ubers
>being a smogonfag

>>31429724
Is that already inside the psychic terrain boosting psychic type moves?

Yeah there's a reason you can only use it once per game

>>31429754
Fine. They added Primal Reversions and Mega Fug all being usable at once which fucked any online play

>>31429724
Z-moves are one (1) nearly-guaranteed kill when you use attacking Z-moves
Megas on the other hand bump up the BST by 100, improve the typing, tend to minmax a bit, and have braindead abilities like speed boost or parental bond
Z-moves are also widely distributed, being available for every 'mon in the game
Megas were given to a selection of 'mons that were generally already really popular/good

>>31425945
I'll be honest with you, I'm much more into the regular formula than any changes they decide to put in. But I also get where people who want change are coming from. Too bad the changes in this gen were shit.

>>31429808
>being available for every 'mon in the game
It doesn't matters when only the stronger pokemon are using them.

>Megas were given to a selection of 'mons that were generally already really popular/good
Don't forget the bunch of unpopular, weak pokemon that became viable thanks to megas.

>Z-moves are one (1) nearly-guaranteed kill when you use attacking Z-moves
And megas aren't a guaranteed kill at all; hell, they aren't even guaranteed damage, as strong as Kangaskhan was, it still couldn't do anything if the opponent simply protected.

>>31429914
>it still couldn't do anything if the opponent simply protected.
You can protect Z-moves too, dummy
Or predict and send a 'mon that's immune to them
Or hide behind a substitute
All of these things will make you safe from Z moves for the rest of the match because a Z move can only be used once
You can't protect from a Kangaskhan two turns in a row, and its bumfuck retarded stats/ability aren't gonna let you survive for very long.

The worst a Z-move can do is kill one 'mon, the worst a mega can do is sweep a team. That one-use limit is the sole reason Z-moves are totally fine

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>>31429914
>wasting your super move for 25% damage is better than a form change that can break subs/sashes and can gain extra attack boosts from moves and more bulk

You're fucking kidding me right?

>>31429737
This. SuMo shills shut the fuck up.

>>31429479
>>31429640
Is this doesn't expose SuMo as the Soic 06 of Pokemon then I don't know what does.

>>31427624
>those poll results
Holy fuck.
SuMo BTFO forever.

>>31428157
You heard /vp/. Stay quiet shill.

>>31430046
Maybe it's not like Sonic because the game actually function

>>31430046
>SuMo
>>>/r/pokemon

>>31430083
EVERYONE on /vp/ and /v/ calls it SuMo, shill.

>>31430067
>because the game actually function
Too bad every aspect of the game is unspeakably horrid.

I liked XY. I would rate it about equal to SM. SM has a better story and a bunch of UI improvements but the cutscenes can get fucking annoying and the multiplayer functionality is a straight downgrade.

>>31430088
That's your opinion

Gen 6 was the one that had save ruining bugs

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>>31425945
>worst games in the series next to genwun and ORAS
>Su/Mo

>>31430119
Yo anon, stop replying to him, he's obviously either retarded or pretending to be for attention
You will thank me later my dude

>>31430106
>SM has a better story
AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>MUH LILLIE
>MUH MOMMY ISSUES
>MUH WACKY RIVALS FOR THE 7369521659156TH TIME XDDDDDD
>MUH WACKY EVIL TEAM XDDDD

>>31430129
deep down I know. I'm just too autistic

>>31425945
>"Why does Sonic Boom get so much hate? it's better than Sonic 06...maybe"

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>>31425945
>He unironically likes X and Y

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>>31430148
It's chill anon
We've all been there
Just gotta learn to overcome thine shortcomings in self-control
Thus is the only path to self-fulfillment and fair browsing upon an imageboard

>>31430131
I don't care for SM's story much either but it's still better than XY's "I want to nuke everyone because reasons" plot and Hau and Gladion become way more likable toward the end of the game than le dancing man, pokedex comparison boy, and the friendzoning neighbor.

>>31430191
Thank you anon. That's the nicest thing I've probably heard on 4chan

>>31430223
hahahahaha masladas amirite xd

>>31430253
hahahaha dancing amirite xd

>>31430264
Muh nebby

>>31430298
muh neighbor

>>31430298
muh pokedex

>>31429737
prime example of an XY retard, to dumb to even express anything of relevance

>>31430046
>You heard /vp/. Stay quiet shill
10/10 cringed way to hard

>>31428109
this one stays a cold, hard fact. Other than this thread where XYtards seem to combine their full forces (like 3-4 people max.) pretty much the whole board agrees to SuMo being far better and that's without even talking about if SuMo are actually good or not.

>>31430340
Stop shilling your shitty movie.

>>31430353
>Stop shilling your shitty movie.
I don't even know what you're talking about and chances are high you don't even know yourself

>>31430340
>gets BTFO
>w-w-waaaaaa! At least SuMo is better than the worst game in the series!!!! Aha, got them there, r-right??

Stay mad, cuck.

>>31425945
That's your opinion. Fact is that XY were so bad that they didn't even get a third adaptation. We'll see if this'll happen to Su/Mo too but I kinda doubt it.

>>31427666
SuMo was harder than XY.

Both are made for kids though.

>>31430405
>cuck
And there we have the kid with the buzzword disorder. But lets ignore that for your sake just tell me where did I get BTFO again?

>>31425945
I'm literally in my first playthrough of Y, i just got it after doing everything possible in moon as i pretty much had skipped the all the DS/3DS game except BW and i have a lot of things to say about it.

first and foremost, the most aggravating thing so far, the absolutely horrendous controls. the rollerskates are turbo shit and the camera is also fucking horrible. trying to interact with npcs and click shit is unnecessarily difficult to the point i just rather walk (not even run) through things.

i don't really mind the chibis/overworld models but the terrible controls don't help them at all.

the old pc layout and hms are undoubtedly worse than SM's but the pc boot and moves faster, which is a good thing. having just one move and doing everthing from there is an improvement over having 4 "modes" for which only manage boxes matters 99% of the time.

i like the big map and rotom on the bottom screen but both menus are arguably ok, battle menus on SM are slightly better arranged but again, it could go either way.

XY has way too many pokemon per route, trying to get everything on one go as i like to do is pretty tedious/unrealistic but SM's pokemon distribution isn't perfect either way.

won't talk about the story until i finish it, obviously, but SM felt more railroady, at least there's a couple of explorable alternative routes on XY and full interconnected routes-towns are nice, needing three transitions per rout is kind of shitty of SM.

i don't think i can ever be fair about XY after playing SM first but those are my few cents.

>SuMo
how to spot reddit in 4 easy letters.

>>31430500
except that's what most of /vp/ has called it since they've revealed the fucking titles.

>>31430525
except not.

and even if that were the case, that would just mean >50% of /vp/ needs to be banned because they're the sort of reddit faggots who defend XY and think SoDoSoPa is a good name for something

all because they're scared of an acronym

>>31430468
Literally read the thread again you fucking retard. Also, being triggered by the word cuck implies that you really are one.

for your /r/le_leference
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/search/text/sumo/
6404 results
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/search/text/sm/
33208 results

>>31430550
The only one who should get banned is you for bitching about literally nothing of relevance

>>31430593
whether or not oblivious reddit faggots are allowed to run free here is something critically relevant to board quality

>>31430591
to be fair
searching for posts containing "sm" will find a lot more than "sumo" simply because
>SMooth
>SMall
>antidisestablishmentarianiSM

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>>31430406
>fact is that my shitty opinion is fact

>>31430583
>"cuck"
>"triggered"
>using "literally" even though it serves absolutely no purpose in that context
But you don't demand that I take you seriously, do you?

>>31430641
Oh so XY did get a third adaptation? I wasn't even aware I'm sorry. Fuck yourself with a fork anon, this post wasn't about "opinion" at all.

>>31430626
You seem to be the only one who visits reddit on a regular basis, knowing how often they use or don't use the term SuMo.

>>31430635
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/search/text/XY/start/2016-11-18/
10361 results for XY since SM release
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/search/text/sumo/start/2016-11-18/
1591 for SuMo

an order of magnitude less. now either everyone talks about XY far more despite them not being the most recent games, or nobody likes forced reddit shit

>>31430692
thanks for your input reddit.

I only know because people started forcing the faggotry here and I had to find out where it came from. I was probably just told by someone else who googled it

>>31430655
>can't even come up with any arguments anymore

Don't know why I wasted my time. You alolacucks really are something else.

>>31430676
>XY didn't get a 3rd version because it's bad! It's a fact!
Dude how arrogant can you be? XY sold better than DP and RS, quality is subjective and never dictated which game would get a third version.

It's time you simply realized that it was a business decision to not over saturate the market with Capcom upgrades.

>>31430712
>I only know because people started forcing the faggotry here and I had to find out where it came from.
sure buddy, go investigate some more on reddit. Oh and again, many people have been calling it SuMo since the start, you might not know because you've been investigating some other stuff on reddit that time, just saying.

>>31430754
>It's time you simply realized that it was a business decision to not over saturate the market with Capcom upgrades.
what will you say if SM gets a third version now? everyone who has attempted to find some rhyme or reason to gamefreak's behavior has been disproved in a generation or two

>>31430780
explain >>31430701

you can't. you're either reddit or pretending to be

>>31430749
I know right, now fuck off and take your buzzwords with you

>>31430786
I'll admit that gen 6 got cucked.

>>31430804
What exactly is this proving in your opinion? Other than, like I said, many people were calling it SuMo since day 1? I mean you can't be brainwasted enough to compare it to XY can you? I mean XY is literally the only way once could call it, that much is obvious isn't it

>>31426344

>Meet Lusamine ONCE
>Beat 6th trial
>Suddenly Lusamine is crazy, steals Nebby and wants to go to the UB world
>Go to her straight afterwards/beat her
>Oh yeah! Nebby is a Solgaleo/Lunala/legendar btw
>Battle her in the UB world. That was the climax.

>>31430910
So much this. SM had even more potential than XY and yet it failed even harder.

>>31430910
yeah, I thought the plot was going to continue well after that. it reminds me of the skyrim thief quest line where I was left not even realizing that I reached the end because it was so anti-climactic and shit

I think SM was just a normal pokemon plot though. people expected it to be good and hyped it up to be something more but it wasn't

>>31430954
>people expected it to be good and hyped it up to be something more
There were very good reasons to do that though.

>>31430954
>I think SM was just a normal pokemon plot though.
That sums it up pretty well. Then again it wasn't the absurd pile of excrements that was the XY plot.

>>31427584
>mass abandonment of this once-beloved series

Mainline Pokemon games absolutely print money and you know it, there's not abandonment worth shit.

>>31427624
Literally 6 responses
What's your point?

for 6/7th gen it goes: ORAS -> SuMo ---------------------->>>>>>>>>>>> X/Y

>>31430910
At least Lusamine connected to the characters in some way, Lysandre was just thrown in. Also you forgot Team Skull.

>>31425945
Well in general gen 6's XYOmRuAlSa were seen as deliberately poorly done. The campaign was rather fair in the ending portion but was absolutely terrible in the beginning and only average in the middle. It had excellent online, but poor singleplayer. And as much as /vp/ shitposts and such with "muh" and "shill," SM is the somewhat opposite. A good singleplayer campaign with widely appealing characters and better solo gameplay(from the reception outside of 4chan), but terrible online compared to XYOmRuAlSa.

They're very different games.

>>31430046
How long has this guy gone on for?

>>31432663
atleast from december 28
https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/search/text/sumo%20shill/start/2016-11-18/

>>31426506
>What is the Pokecenter glitch

>>31425945
If gen 6 got the 3rd version treatment, then probably yes. Some well needed closure is missing imo, especially regarding how Zygarde was treated in SM, which was a lame side quest and you don't even get to keep the best form of Zygarde which is stupid, especially considering in-game progression status and it's banned anyways.

I'd happily trade gen 7 for a Z version in gen 6, and then get gen 7 some years later. It is obvious that Game Freak really don't want to exceed the 1000 mark so soon, though gen 7 was a 20th anni celebration tho so I kinda get that.

>>31425945
>Su/Mo

>>31427666
Whilst it wasnt really challenging, it was clearly more difficult than XY/ORAS