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>>31411138
grassium z arcanine with solar beam
#staywoke

>>31411434
Nice tech. Do we have Sun Bro's full team build yet?

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>>31411138

>araquanid on the winning team

Feels good

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>Araquanid and Muk on top

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>>31412147
Nice thumbnail.

>>31411138
RIP Sun Dude. You will be spoken of in valhalla for your effort.

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Jesus fuck. How can people have 2000 battles? Also look at that ratio, as long as you just keep playing, you can reach the top of the ladder. That's retarded.

>>31413436
>look at that ratio, as long as you just keep playing, you can reach the top of the ladder.

Holy fuck, does it really work like that?
By the way that's a... pretty interesting team.

>>31413436
what even is that pink jellyfish/mushroom?

http://pastebin.com/uambGM42

>tfw winner teambuilds within A+/A tier only
>2nd/3rd places use some high B tier and one pseudo-shitmon each
>Sundude's shitmon missing sleep powder repeatedly lost him the game

>>31413609
Shiitonic. It's like Amoonguss but 100 times worse.

>>31413621
Fuck it.
I remember thinking it was the new Amoonguss when the Alola dex leaked. I've always used an Amoonguss on VGC and since it's not possible to use it in 2017, I thought it would be a good replacement.

>>31413621
it's even worse than parasect imo, is there a shittier mushroom mon than shiinotic?

>>31413621
>>31413688
>>31413694
why is it shit?

>>31413707
It's in the mon's name

>>31413707
>sleep is shit in this meta due to electric terrain so spore isn't even useful
>60/80/100 defenses compared to Amoongus with 114/70/80
>effect spore and rain dish instead of regenerator
>fairy type in a meta full of better fairy types
>worst of all, no rage powder/follow me, spotlight can only redirect away from itself

>>31413861
Well it looks like this chink >>31413436 managed to make it work. I wonder what's the ste/strategy he used.

>>31414154
Well, he could very well just take a bunch of shitmons from his boxes just to take the pic to not reveal his real team.

>>31414154
the cart rating system is shit and basically rewards you for grinding out tons and tons of games. He probably wouldn't even be 1600 on Showdown.

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Good night /vgcg/, pls keep this thread alive.

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>Lost my second match of the Smogon VGC tourney because this stupid Celesteela survived in 1 because lol low damage roll and then I got leech seeded to death after 2 double protects

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>>31414677
it happens

>>31414677
Fucking celesteelas man

Can I get some help with a team I've thrown together?

Gengar @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Cursed Body
Level: 50
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sludge Bomb
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- Dazzling Gleam

Tapu Bulu @ Leftovers
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 50
- Wood Hammer
- Horn Leech
- Superpower
- Protect

Talonflame @ Flyinium Z
Ability: Gale Wings
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Tailwind
- Flare Blitz
- Me First

Primarina @ Assault Vest
Ability: Torrent
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Ice Beam
- Sparkling Aria
- Scald

Muk-Alola @ Figy Berry
Ability: Poison Touch
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Poison Jab
- Protect
- Curse

Magnezone @ Air Balloon
Ability: Magnet Pull
Level: 50
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Flash Cannon
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Fire]

I'm having trouble with Arcanine's and Muk's the most it seems.

>>31411138
so is the incineroar in the 3rd place team using intimidate? I cant find a match where he used it

>>31417094
No Intimidate has not been released. It isnt legal yet.

>>31413436
>>31414220
Pretty sure the cart rating system is literally just standard Elo.
Showdown's system is even worse because of the Elo floor. Notice that there are people near the top of the showdown ladder and at 1600 that have the same Glicko.

>>31413609
Kys for not knowing every pokí

Has anyone made alolan-golem work? Seems like it'd be an absolute beast in electric terrain, what's its major drawback besides shite weaknesses?

So, what's the deal with Arcanine / why is it so popular?

>>31418328
Strong switch-in to fairy moves + kartana, bulky, access to a good range of strong coverage moves, good options for lowering your opponent's damage output (intimidate, snarl and wil-o-wisp), fast compared to the metagame as a whole, and is also able to prevent trickroom teams from setting up. All in all, extremely versatile.

>>31416665
Try nihilego over gengar. Sash or life orb. It'll help with arcanine. For muk, you could tech a groundium z earthquake somewhere, but I don't think any of those pokemon learn earthquake. You'd have to replace something, but I don't know what. Also, use pastebin.

>>31416665
put protect on mag and drop curse on muk. I'd also suggest that you listen to this anon's advice>>31418461

>Battle Spot usage stats
SOON

>>31417959
One guy did got top 16 in Georgia using it, no electric terrain though. I can't really understand his team
http://www.trainertower.com/vgc-17-georgia-regionals/

Is mimikyu jolly or adamant?

>>31419755
how soon

>torkoal in #2
NANI!?

>>31420665
newfag

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Battle Spot usage stats are up!

>>31421933
I don't see anything.

>>31421933
battle spot is a graveyard

>>31416665
Either put protect on more mons or get rid of sparkling aria on Primarina. And if you're running figy berry muk it needs to be gluttony.

>>31421966
This thread is a graveyard

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>>31413436
>that guy has lost +1000 battles

A-Raichu timid or modest?

>>31425320
Modest with Koko, Timid otherwise

>>31413436
Have you ever looked into rating systems? It's literally impossible to make one that doesn't either give people with a lot of time to play more games an advantage, or discourage people from playing after a few wins.
A player having a roughly equal W:L ratio just shows that the matchup system isn't actually that bad.

>>31425432
Thank you.

>>31413436
I once saw a 9900 score on ORAS before the global link shut down.

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I've been playing Punch Out and now I really want to kick ass with Crabrawler because fuck Crabominable. Can I go Jolly with Choice Scarf and have it do decent?

>>31425630
No.
Its so slow that it will still suck with scarf, but its faster than some trick room pokemons so even with that its shit.
Not to mention it has shit offensive stats before evolution, and its frail as fuck, eviolite wont help it either.
IMO you could as well use a magikarp

>>31425630
Adamant 252 spe with a choice scarf reaches 172.5 effective speed
Jolly 262 spe with a choice scarf reaches 189 effective speed

For reference,
Jolly Garchomp = 169 speed
Nihilego = 170 speed
Kartana, Ninetales = 177 speed
Raichu, Gengar = 178 speed
+1 Adamant Gyarados = 199.5 speed
Timid Tapu Koko, Aerodactyl = 200 speed
+2 Golduck = 272 Speed

It really is quite shitty in every stat though. Don't be surprised if its Close Combats to do about 20% to most of the metagame.

>>31425997
>132 attack is shit
every other stat is shit though

>>31426085
He's talking about Crabrawler, nor Crabominable.

It's stats are total garbage.

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>>31425997
>>31425774
>>31426357
>>31426085
Fuck man. Why the living fuck would Game Freak tease us with the reveal of it knocking out all that powerful shit. I was so hype to get one only to find out it was NFE and shit stats

>>31426426
This. I was completely devastated when they datamined the demo and found it would evolve.

>>31426426
which video shows crabrawler knocking out strong mons?

>>31426536
Its reveal trailer at 2016 worlds showed it beating the shit out of top tier threats like landorus, cresselia, and ferrothorn

>>31426563
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpfRTWisNdY

>>31426729
Meant for >>31426536

>>31426729
It's funny how it apparently has a Choice Band, Adamant nature and 252 EVs, while the others have no IVs or EVs at all, and perhaps defense reducing natures. The one for Cresselia is super bullshit though; you need it to be at like +5 to kill it with Pursuit while it's switching off.

>>31426729
What a fucking bullshit. I hate Masuda now.

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>>31426426
>>31426471
>>31426916
>>31427073
>People actually fell for that obviously edited as fuck video

>>31427164
fuck off

>>31427164
Why would they make a video like this though? If it's an outright lie...

>>31427164
It's just that there's literally no reason to show this happening if it wasn't true. It's not like people are gonna buy the game because of one Pokemon.

Are all of you people fucking retarded?
They weren't trying to show off Crabrawler as a top tier competitive threat
They were showcasing its theme of a boxer, a competitive fighter
Do you people have the IQ of a gorilla or something?

>>31427459
So why not show it beating up regular Pokemon? Or show it in battle with a shiny Crabrawler?

>>31427459
>in a vgc championship
>beating top vgc mons
Sure, smart guy.

Does Storm Drain negate Muddy Water completely?

>>31427874
No, your team mate will get hit. The pokemon with storm drain still gets a boost though.

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Chile's MSS Top 8

>>31427946
>>31427946
Huh, I wonder why Chile is using Phero more than Kartana.
Also
>bulu at the top
good for him

>>31428095
Porygon2 most likely. That's the reason Buzzwole is there too.

>>31428304
Mmm, but there's only one swole.
Also only one Lele this time? Strange. A lot more Koko too.

>>31427946
I know two of those guys.

>>31427946
>charjabug
the battery is real

>>31428420
Are they cool dudes or faggots?

>>31428613
Autistic nice people.

Is there any official chanel i can see all the replays?

>>31428420
I know all of them. Nice people indeed.

>>31428664
>>31429846
Fuck off weones.

>>31430107
>>31429846
>>31428664
>>31419450

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>>31430107
>>31430174
You can't purge us.

>>31411138
going to finally hunt the Tapus. I know Fini has like 3+ natures that can be viable.

I am thinking Modest for Lele and Adamant for Bulu. I don't care much for Koko, but probably Timid. Do I need any Hidden Power on any of them?

>>31431376
It usually doesn't run it but having HP Ice on Koko is useful

>>31419973
Interesting. I'm testing out a team right now that has golem-A and electric terrain; with access to galvanize, in electric terrain a move like return gets a life orb + focus band to it's damage output, to an attack stat that is already reasonably high (125). Good stuff.

>my opponent literally froze two of my pokemon TWICE (one with ice beam, another with tri-attack), and then another one of my pokemon using heat wave missed, and I got basically no RNG on my opponent.

w-why does the game do this?

>>31431539
It's okay anon, it does that shit to everyone, not just you.

>>31427164
Notice that it never showed /any/ of those Pokémon's health bars, so they could have been on Focus Sash at the point when they took the hit.

>>31431539
Chances are you've had games go your way through similarly long odds, but you naturally focus on the ones you lost because of it.

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How many of you have been to live VGC tours?
How was the experience?

>>31433050
I was planning to go to the last chilean one but my mother got a minor accident the day before and decided to stay by her side.

>>31433050
Gonna go to my first PC in the next month, and then I might try doing a regionals on that, depending on my performance.

>>31433050
I'm going to the Portland regional in March and might go to the ones in Washington depending on my performance.

>>31431426
>in electric terrain a move like return gets a life orb + focus band to it's damage output
it's actually more like a magnet instead of a life orb, since the abilities got a little nerfed. it's still pretty good nonetheless

>>31433050
Would love to, but there are literally none at less than 5 hours of bus in my country.

>>31428095
>>31428411

because latin americans fucking suck and you can't really take their regionals seriously.

Why run psychium z on a-raichu, especially if you aren't running lele?

>>31435763
still smacks ground types hard except for Krookodile

>>31435838
252+ SpA Raichu-Alola Shattered Psyche (175 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Garchomp: 150-177 (81.9 - 96.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

With scarfchomp picking up popularity I don't know how I feel about this still.

>>31433050
I went to a decent amount of tourneys in Argentina. Luckily they are not that far from me, usually an hour and a half, so I can go to PCs if I have nothing better to do. I do try to go to bigger tourneys because the attendance is much better usually, so I get to play new people, also I get to see my friends that play more seriously than I do.
The community here is rather small and kinda shitty at times, so new players are a rare sight and they usually don't come more than once, sadly.
Overall, I'd say participating in tourneys is a good experience, especially if rounds are bo3 since that's great practice, and you get to play with others face to face, talk with them about their teams or anything really, and possibly making friends.
There's also the crybabies and faggots that will follow you around after you beat them telling you how you haxxed them and all that shit, and other players making scenes and such, but that's usually a minority.

I heard the new season started recently.
Are there any changes from the previous season?

>>31436777
Yeah, you can use Parting Shot and Memento again.

>>31436796
what?

>>31436905
They were banned due to a glitch.

>>31433050

Been going since the 2012 season. Almost always a lot of fun. Being at the lower tables obviously sucks but at least then you hear some funny shit and run into interesting gimmicks.

Highly recommend going to tournaments if it's at all feasible.

what's the best way to improve?
Should I just keep playing battle spot?
or Should I try to find a site where people play vgc?

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but does anyone have a Shellos breeding reject I could have?

>>31437083
battle spot is good practice

What do you guys think about Belly Drum Snorlax with Comfey? I saw it on Hibiki's channel and it seems like this is the only actual use Comfey will ever have in VGC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3-rGnR4RtE

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Are there any analysis on Snorlax?

>>31438726
idk about Z-Belly Drum, but Figy Snorlax seems to be a nice bulky mon like Figy Muk.

>>31438726
I don't like comfey but heal pulse fini can do the same thing

recycle/belly drum snorlax is a pain in the ass

>>31439163

Comfey has access to Trick Room and +3 priority healing, just because both heal doesn't mean they do the same thing.
He has both on the team, as sometimes Misty Terrain is good to block status.

>all these Tapu Finis
Nice to see best Tapu being used

>The team planner broke

Welp

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>opponent gets a fucking quadruple protect to try and win
>I get a double protect so he loses anyway

>>31440706
just use showdown like a normal person

>>31441139
I wanted to check out type combinations

Man, Specs Fini is so bad. Most of the time I feel like it doesn't do enough damage and having Protect would be way more useful. I guess I'll go for Calm Mind now. Anyone have a spread ideal for CM?

>>31411138
How are people building Tapu Bulu? Is 252 Hp / 252 Atk a meme? Is it worth running bulk?

>>31411138
glanced quickly at OP, is Nihilego finally being used? what kind of set was it, life orb?

>>31442494
I ran it Adamant with 252HP 252SpDef.
The offenses are already so high with wood hammer and bloom doom I never felt invensting on them.

>>31442506
ik that Ian's is sashed, don't know what sunbro runs though.

>>31442506
Not sure on real tournaments, but on BS I've seen a shit ton of Scarf Nihilego. They're really annoying to deal with.

>>31442518
That's an insane amount of special bulk. I've run some calcs and these are my findings:


252 Hp / 108 Def
252 Garchomp Poison Jab is a 2HKO always
252+ Arcanine has a 50% to OHKO

252 Hp / 116 SpD
252+ Tapu Lele Psychic has a 100% to 3HKO after Grassy Terrain
252+ Tapu Lele Z-Psychic has a 12.5% to OHKO

252 Hp / 140 SpD
252+ Tapu Lele Z-Psychic never OHKOs


Running this amount of defense leaves almost nothing for Attack. Luckily you still hit like a monster truck.

>>31442494
Here's mine. I don't quite remember the calcs anymore, but I'm pretty sure it can surivive Z psychic outside the terrain, plus a bit more to make porygon2 not raise its SpAtk and make it easier to outstall it with leech seed and horn leech.
I had plenty of ways around Garchomp and Intimidate so surviving poison jab wasn't much of an issue to me

Tapu Bulu @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Atk / 4 Def / 172 SpD / 4 Spe
Ability: Grassy Surge
Level: 100
Adamant Nature
- Leech Seed
- Nature’s Madness
- Horn Leech
- Protect

>>31443139
yeah I found that 76+ Atk lets you OHKO Tapu Lele with Wood Hammer under Grassy Terrain. I agree that Bulu's physical bulk is fine and with all the Intimidaters and WoW availability. Garchomp won't be able to OHKO anyways.

Your set does let you survive Z-Psychic. I do like your set stops P2 Download boost from threatening you with Ice beam, but I feel like Return P2 is going to surge in usage because of Georgia.

Mind if I use your set as a base for future reference?

>>31443228
yeah of course, use it as you see fit. I'm sure it can be optimized a lot.
Keep in mind I made a bulky one for longevity, since it could support my main attackers with nature madness and still do real decent damage with horn leech. Also, I just remembered it can also take a Hurricane from Pelipper even if you take some EVs

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>>31443282
I think Wood Hammer is too strong to not pass over for Bulu. but I feel like Bulu's bulk is its most important asset with all the free recovery he applies. I was doing calcs for the past hour and forgot to consider P2's Download which your set is tailored for.

I feel like I would use your set, but Wood Hammer over Nature's Madness or Leech Seed. Probably Nature's Madness, so I can regain more health with Leech Seed. Superpower seems to go against Tapu Bulu's prerogative, but is probably his best coverage option other than a Scarf Rock Slide variant.

>>31443352
I do like the fightium Z Bulus that are popping out here and there, but I still find them kinda weird. Wood Hammer is crazy strong, definitely a strong choice (and probably better than nature madness at what it does since it has 100 accuracy and does over 50% to most things)

>>31443441
P2 really warps this meta around it to cause such things to happen I believe. I wonder why Scarf-Machamp isn't used this format? I believe it was fairly popular in past vgcs. Is the Fairy presence too much?

>>31443500
I'm not sure if it's because of the fairies, they're mostly the final nail in the coffin of fighting types. I think it's because they have nothing to hit. They were valuable because they dealt with M-Kang. Now, the only normal type is P2, which is almost impossible to OHKO anyway.
Also, Machamp doesn't really have much to set it apart from other Fighting types. Pheromosa is fast and has Ice Beam (and can be mixed), Buzzwole is Stronger and Hariyama has pretty much everything Machamp has plus Fake Out and Feint.
That said, I could see a Machamp set with Close Combat/Cross Chop, Knock Off, Ice Punch/Stone Edge and Protect/Wide Guard with either Guts or No Guard be useful in some teams, but overall seems like it wouldn't do so well in the meta. Passimian could maybe be the best fighting type if it had Defiant, but even then I think it would struggle a lot to be useful.

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So, I want to breed for a Mereanie, whats a good Nature, Moves and Ability for it.

Also, I got a Comfey Bold from wonder trade, same question as before.

>>31444131
Toxapex is absolute shit in anything but singles. Comfey is gimmicky, but at least you can make it work. Bold should be fine I suppose.

>>31444209
Merciless or Regenerator?

>>31444254
The ability Putitinabox seems to work better than those two.

Is Gyarados dead?

>>31444254
Regenerator. Toxapex can't really attack.

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I want to use Mimikyu and Celesteela in the same team, any suggestions?

I was thinking on something in the lines of Substitute+SDance Mimikyu with the Celes thowing stuff at them. The rest of the team would be things to counter (was thinking on lele, a-ninetails/lapras/fini, arcanine, magnezone, garchomp). I'm really new to this stuff since gen7 is the first generation for me to play online.

Pls no bully too hard.

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>>31445018

>>31440706
if you mean the one in the OP's pastebin, I just checked and it works

>>31445296
Mimikyu is better off as a trick room setter and z-move Lele killer, and even then since it got popular because of that people started knowing how to deal with him. It's not a huge offensive presence.

More or less happened to Celesteela, just like with Mega Mom everyone now knows how to deal woth with her, she's still good but you need to be careful in using her now.

The best suggestion I can give is to test the team yourself because that's really the best way to improve the team.
Also cute Remimi.

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>>31447116
That's kinda a downer, I really liked to use them not because they are strong, but mostly because they are my favorite from this gen, and I had the idea that they might also work well together.

And yeah, I also need to test the team first, I'm still EV training and breeding stuff still so I really haven't bothered using showdown yet but I guess it's time to start doing it.

Thanks anon, take a dancing flan.

>>31447116
celesteela can also do damage to lele

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>>31447405
Thing with Celesteela and Mimikyu is they very much rely more on the players ability to position than anything. A Celesteela with a 1 turn advantage is one of the easiest win conditions in the game due to the nature of SubSeed setups and the raw power it has in it's actual offense. There is simply no substitute for finishing a team and simply taking it to Battle Spot and gaining experience with other teams you might face.

Also Flan a shit

>>31444131
It has like absolutely no offensive presence which means most of the time I just ignore the thing whilst it pointlessly struggles.

I have seen one interesting set at least in Binding Band + Infestation which actually does some heavy damage. But it kind of conflicts with it's best ability, gets negated by subs and doesn't fix that it's still elec and psychic weak in a meta where Koko and Lele exist.

>>31443441
I don't even understand the point of that. Superpower doesn't even come close to a OHKO on Pory2 wheras Z-Wood Hammer does and as long as Pory2 has pulled off the TR it's already done it's job effectively winning that turn.

I reckon Z Superpower isn't actually for Pory2 so much as it's intended for Steel types and Goodra really because even regular Wood Hammer hits slightly harder.

>Haven't played in a while
>Make a new team to test shit with
>I'm on the 1300~ when last time I played I was on the 1600~
What the fug?

Also, rate my made in 5 minutes memeteam

http://pastebin.com/DG1j0jh7

>>31448341
>figy berry on offensive arcanine
huh?

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>The opposing Porygon2 used Protect!
>The opposing Porygon2 protected itself!

You aren't supposed to know this move!

Reeeeeeee!

>>31448265
>I reckon Z Superpower isn't actually for Pory2 so much as it's intended for Steel types and Goodra really because even regular Wood Hammer hits slightly harder.
Bloom Doom from Bulu it's very very strong, but having both Wood Hammer and All Out Pummeling over Wood Hammer and Super Wood Hammer has it's benefits. Opponents with Steel types might feel safe against Bulu and either ignore it or predict a switch, so you can deal a good chunk of damage if not KO them with that.

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What's your latest meme-team friends?

Did it work somewhat and may be worth fleshing out or was it a total failure?

>>31448587
fini

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>>31448364
>The opposing Porygon2's Mental Herb snapped it out of Taunt!

Turn 2
Mimikyu, come back!
Go! Celesteela!
The opposing Gastrodon used Mud-Slap!
It's super effective! Tapu Koko lost 20.7% of its health!
Tapu Koko's accuracy fell!
The opposing Arcanine used Will-O-Wisp!
Celesteela was burned!
Tapu Koko used Volt Switch!
The opposing Arcanine avoided the attack!
Celesteela was hurt by its burn!

>>31449625
Brightpowder Arcanine new meta

>>31449699
Read again lad.

>>31449714
Oh. Yeah Gastrodon really misses earth power.

Tapu Koko used Volt Switch!
It's super effective! The opposing Tapu Fini lost 62.6–64.6% of its health!
Tapu Koko went back to sake fumi!
Go! Celesteela!
The opposing Tapu Fini used Swagger!
The opposing Porygon2's Attack rose sharply!
The opposing Porygon2 surrounds itself with a protective mist!
Mimikyu used Play Rough!
The opposing Tapu Fini avoided the attack!
The opposing Porygon2 used Return!
It's not very effective... Celesteela lost 31.9% of its health!
The opposing Tapu Fini restored a little HP using its Leftovers!

>>31450159
tl;dr
nice blog

What's the best Hidden Power for Koko?

>>31450453
Something that's super effective on Marowak? Dazzling Gleam already hits Krookodile and Garchomp hard.

>>31450453
Ice or Ground probably, I have seen a few HP Fire Koko's to help with the Kartana matchup though, so you might want to keep that in mind

>>31450672
>>31451218
I've been running Ground to deal with Marowak.

Still, very annoying to see the fucker survive even with Specs.

>Decide to try Z-Bounce Gyarados to see how it goes
>Bounce is not allowed because it's a old gen move
Goddammit.

I wish Showdown only showed only the really usable moves when you pick VGC17 as the tier in the teambuilding window.

It hurts whenever I go to Krookodile's window and see Knock Off as a move it can learn.

>>31449625
>The opposing Gastrodon used Mud-Slap!
>Not Mud Bomb
All of my why...

>>31450453
None.

Problem is HP really is far too weak without hitting x4 weak, you're better off using anything but HP.

Like Nature Madness to soften it up for your partner to finish, Sky Drop to take it out of the picture for a turn, switch out to something else, Protecting etc.

It's one of those scenarios where I think it's just better to admit defeat, move on and find something else to back Koko up like how some people use Z-Psychic Raichu for the OHKO.

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>Can't think of a new team
>Get into Showdown
>Get into active battles, select VGC17 and click Elo 1300+
>Find the highest ELO battle and watch it
>Copy the team of whoever wins it
>Start up racking wins and get high ELO almost instantly
Who /devilish/ here?

>>31411138
chua is a filthy hacker and kim deserved first!

Anyone else started to encounter people running A-Raticate who do nothing but Final Gambit you?

>>31451857
That's not devilish, that's just common sense teambuilding.

>>31451889
>filthy hacker
Fuck off buttscab, do you even know anything about VGC?

>>31452307
I know most checks they do aren't legit.
Also, Porygon2 and Celesteela are awful cancer.

@31452321
You are cancer actually. I'm not giving you more (You)s.

>>31452307
Just report him for being underage, don't give him replies.

>>31452363
>>31452431
You could at least TRY to discuss VGC instead of funposting all the time. Who knows, maybe you might enjoy talking about pokemon in this pokemon thread in this pokemon board.

>>31427946
>people still using gastrodon
wew

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http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-news/brazil-hosts-the-latin-american-international-championships/

>Huehuehueland of all places

Are you fucking shitting me

>>31452552
TPCi has really JUSTed the circuit this year. 3 big tournaments in England and not even a regional in Italy, increased fees, higher CP threshold for Worlds, unclear as fuck on prizes and so on. How are new players encouraged to join the scene like this?

>>31452654
I had literally no idea Brazil played VGC.

In Latin American the countries with a sizable playerbase are Argentina, Chile and Colombia as far I know. Hell, from what I'm checking they just started having official play THIS year.

Just what the fug man. I was planning to attend the this one but fuck Brazil.

>>31452728
>In Latin American the countries with a sizable playerbase are Argentina
As someone from Argentina I'm pretty sure we have a rather small playerbase, though our top players did fairly well in worlds and london. For sure behind Mexico, Chile, Colombia and Peru and quite possibly some others.

And apparently there's some drama about "paid content" on TwitterVGC now because this Japanese site started to put reports and stuff behind a paywall.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sphoao

>>31452808
He mentioned in the interview that part of that money will go towards organizing grassroots tournaments with good cash prizes, I see nothing wrong in that. It's not like it took old NB reports and kept them on a private server.

>>31452878
Well, from what I saw, which is not much because Twitter is a clusterfuck and it's nearly impossible to have proper discussion on it, it was the usual baaaaw paid content will make players less likely to join in/no it'll be good for the good players because they will feel rewarded for writing, etc. The same shit that always goes when pay2for something happens.

But seriously, fuck Twitter, what an awful place for a "community" to make it it's mainstay place. I miss forums.

>>31452654
Can you explain what's going on in more detail for us people who don't attend events? I swear that whenever you people talk about the official circuit you've never said a single good thing about it.

Building trick room team. Right now using the staple of Porygod2 and Hariyama, while having Spider of hueg water for killing shit.
What else should i have? thinking of Drampa and Marowak, but need another trick room setter in case of porygod2 not being viable against some teams (what is actually porygod destroyer?)

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>>31448587
BPZG-WWWW-WWW4-MVZ3

Choice band Mudsdale, hits like a truck and if the opponent lets me setup trick room it's going to 2HKO the whole grounded meta.

The set is a dumb 252/252 one, there's probably a better defense investement but I'm too lazy to find it. Be careful that no AssVest means you can get OHKO'd by a lot of stuff.

>>31453227
Oranguru.

>>31453227
Mimikyu perhaps?

>3 turns of sleep
>Freeze

I didn't want to win anyway

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>>31453521
>Not running Fini

>>31453227
Wanna experiment? Use Parasect. You can Rage Power one Taunt and redirect Roar from every popular roar user.

Once you are in Trick Room, you spore everything (unless terrain is up) and hit it with Leech Life.

>>31453529
fini is boring 2bh

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>>31453622
>no one likes fini at first
>retard hipsters start to use fini
>now everyone uses fini
>retard hipsters say fini's boring

>>31453708
nah I just don't have fun using it that's all, it's the same way I feel about stuff like P2 or Lele.

>Opponent has left a Scarfed Lele locked in a moonblast and a Koko
>I have a <50% Hp Vikavolt and my own Lele
>Electric Terrain is up

>Vikavolt protects
>His Lele hits the protect
>My Lele uses her Z-Move
>It's a thunder based Gigavolt Havoc
>1HKOs his full Hp Lele
>Win the rest of the fight

This is literally the first time I manage to pull it off but wew it was satisfying since I don't even carry Koko.

>>31454052
Why though?

>>31453622
Fini has arguably the most viable sets desu. the other 3 are just 3 cookie cutter moves + your choice. Fini's role changes entirely based on its nature and move slots.

>>31454100
I'm weak to water types in general and that z-move is a good surprise 1HKO

>>31454052
>>31454136
Looks pretty overkill desu.

Does Thunderbolt miss lots of KOs?

>>31454204
Yeah it does

>>31452931
>wanting nb
Hahahahaha fuck off Scott

>Frustration Porygon 2 just swept me

I don't even

>>31454239
>NB invented forums
Are you retarded?

>>31453118
You almost certaintly cannot qualify for Worlds without 2016 preseason poins and Internats travel unless you get 1st in every other lower tier event you go to.

Which is an almost impossible task to do in a game like Pokemon with significant RNG factors. Unless you're in an area where only you know what you're doing.

>>31454302
What's wrong with that? Sounds pretty reasonable that only the winners of events are the only ones are the ones capable of qualifying to where the best of the best is.

>>31454312
Not that anon but the problem is that since qualifying requires 500 points and winning a regional tournament gives like 20 shit points, at this point you don't even bother anymore.

>>31454312
Did you even read the last paragraph? There are so many examples of this all over the world. The CP structure is trying to find 100% consistency in a game where 50-70% consistency is the norm.

>>31454346
Or start traveling to random places like fucking South Africa to earn free CP. It becomes too p2w.

What's that one pokèmon that when the opponent has it become a huge treat but when you try it yourself it becomes utter shit?

For me it's Muk, Garchomp and Kartana.

>>31454413
fucking snorlax

>>31454295
>not understanding that any kind of VGC forum devolves into nb and smogonvgc esque shit
Sad! Now fuck off firestorm shill

>>31453529
I'm sorry but is not a good pokemon it will fade in use just like A-Marowak is doing

>>31454413
>garchomp
Smelling a shitty teambuilder from 500000 miles away: the post

Mark my words, Snorlax is the next flavor of the month mememon.

I guaranteed it'll win the next big tourney we get.

>>31454444
Are you saying VGCTwitter is not exactly that expect shittier because of the 140 character limit?

>>31454488
It does have potential so you may be right.
Also I noticed Arcanines going back to full offense instead of being support and Gastrodons suddenly popping out because of Fini, even though people are stopping using her already.

>>31454488
Just like Fininia right now? I don't know dude but since I hate Fini I hope it does

>>31454444
Quads speak truth.

Looking back I loved forums growing up. That being said, forums are a totally shit. 90% of it are idiots asking for what's the best team to win with and expecting free handouts while 9% of people who know what they are talking about post topics of what is good/what they are testing and the last 1% that are good just talk to one another in private convos or not at all.

Not that Twitter is any better. I hope TT doesn't go the NB / Smogon route. Articles/Reports are good enough for me.

The opposing Tapu Koko used Nature Power!
Nature Power turned into Thunderbolt!
It's super effective! A critical hit! Hourai lost 100% of its health!

For what purpose.

>>31454536
>>31454537
Snorlax teams dominate Battle Spot. The Nips are using Snorlax like if the world will end tomorrow if they don't use the fat fuck.

Imagine Physical Porygon 2 except good. That's what Snorlax is.

Hey guys, I've been testing this team revolving around Charjabug and want to know what you guys think. I know Charjabug isn't that good but it's fun and I like it. Also I apologize in advance if the team is shit, i'm awful when it comes to teambuilding.
http://pastebin.com/kNdRfM1V

>>31455012
>asking /vp/ for competitive advice
Run while you can, anon

Also your team gets dismantled by Marowak-A aka shitmon

>>31455069
>Says /vp/ is shit at competitive
>While saying A-Marowak is shit
I'm not sure if this post is supposed to be ironic or not.

>>31454613
To Moonblast in Misty terrain I guess

>>31455012
can't see any glaring flaws with it. try it out and see how it goes, and adjust from there. you're wasting 4 EVs on Muk btw, move 4 from speed to spdef.

>>31455069
yeah I noticed that, hence crunch on arcanine, I might swap ninetales for fini to help my matchup against it. But i'm yet to lose to it yet so idk.
>>31455560
thanks anon

>>31455765
I agree on that. Muk and Arcanine are pretty decent against it, but having a water type wouldn't hurt. Also if you're taking out Ninetales, you could forgo Wild Charge on Charjabug and use light screen instead, unless you really want it attacking

>>31456081
wild charge 2HKO's fini under electric terrain, which can be nice if koko dies. But yeah light screen does sound like the better choice, i'll probably try it out if I drop the ninetales.