Competitive thread

They removed D-rank because all it did was cause shitposting apparently

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I made a Hyper Offense team
Don't know if it's any good

>>31394625
>>31394625
they said fini would be shit
fuck you /vp/

>>31394663
forgot ev spreads on azu
oops
it's the ones everyone uses

>>31394648
can someone post it then

>>31394663
That's more bulky offense than HO, with clef and gliscor, and I wouldn't run dug at all, who are you so worried about that you need to trap? magnezone?
I mean it's an ok team but I don't see it having great success past a certain elo

>>31394709
"Alright guys keep in mind that the lower rankings are incomplete and we will be creating them over time as the meta develops, so only focus on the ranks that we currently have. "

>>31394663
>hyper offense
>gliscor and clefable
?

Surprised that Ttar is that high. I't's my bro but I figured Tapus would fuck it over too hard this gen.

>>31394663
That ain't HO nigga. Also get with the times, stop using Clef

>>31394663
Probably invest in hp on gliscor. Can use the standard 6th gen spread still. Clef able should also have hp investment and should probably also use the 6th gen ev spread, which is more defensive. Also gliscor and clef able arent very hyper offensive.

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I've been using my favourite Pokes, and they're working out well so far.
Any suggestions on how to improve it?

>>31394928
>x used special attack

>>31394928

Minimize speed on all those pokes and turn it into a Trick Room team. You're probably need to get more than one Trick Room user in Reuniclus though. But ATM that will just get outsped and destroyed by setup sweepers and HO.

>>31394928
>Quick Claw Forretress
>Whimsicott with 0 defensive investment
>Dive, Stockpile Quagsire
>Avalugg period

why?

>>31394928
You lose to Volcarona turn 1, thought you might want to know.
Also why the fuck quick claw over custap, or anytthing?

>>31394928
Probably would have at least gyro ball on for retreat as well as leftovers because quick claw is a meme. Whimsicott could probably be bulkier since it's just sub leech stalling and has 1 attack. Quagmire should probably have scald or eat quake over dive. Reuniclus could probably use either a bulkier set for calm mind or a trick room sweeper set. Also switch signal beam for shadow ball or focus blast. Sableye should have max hp, use the gen 6 spread which was enough to get it banned before. Avalugg is Avalugg so all power to ya.

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>>31394928
>Quick Claw
>Spa Whimsicott
>Dive Quagsire
>Avalugg

Legit confused

>>31394928
If you play for fun it's whatever. If you play competetive it's fucking terrible

>>31394950
>>31394970
>>31394995
>>31395011
>>31395017

I'm not entirely sure why you're confused. Every threath you've named so far isn't really a problem.

>>31395069
>exspecting /vp/ to know anything about competitive

>>31395069
t. 1200 elo

>>31394928
Good taste but the fuck are you doing
>quick claw, ever
>speed investment in prankster user
>dive instead of scald on quag
>no leftover on reunicles, not running focus miss for coverage

>>31395069
Because you're on the low ladder; playing against bad players

>>31394625
About time people realized Protean Gren is still amazing.
>>31394822
Magnet Koko(the best set) can't 2HKO it with either STAB, it can trap a choice locked Lele and Bulu and Fini dislike taking Band Stone Edges. It doesn't really enjoy having to face Tapus but it's less bothered by them than most, especially for a Dark type. Also Excadrill is still one of the best partners and it eats Tapus alive.

>>31394625
>Mimikyu in the same viability tier as top UU mons
>Still banned from UU
Why is this shitmon considered OU?
Yes it gets a free swords dance, but after a dance it still struggles to actually kill anything and the fact that it's flimsy and slow does not help.

>>31395372
It's OU because it's overused. Mimikyu is like Electivire in Gen IV and Scrafty in Gen V.

>>31395415
Or Sylveon in gen 6

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>tfw my bro is less viable than fucking tangrowth
BL h-here we come

>>31394625
>Edgyowl made it
>Trannyseal made it
>Wrestlecat didn't
Existence is pain

>>31394625
>pokebank OU ladder
>doing battles at 1600-1700 elo and the occasional OU tournament since I'm not good enough to go in high ladder
>still find retards with Decidueye
The owl has no place in OU I thought mid ladder players would have realized that by now

>>31395678
Are they at least running spdef Defog with Roost? Every other set is unforgivable in OU

>>31395667
Intimidate will make him the best one for doubles, just you wait

>>31395699
Today I faced two owls: the first one was indeed the Sp def set and had a nice a team to support it, but the second one was a pathetic SubDance and did nothing but add weakness to its team

>>31395678
>Defogger not weak to rocks
>Reliable recovery
>Bulky grass type
>Shackle prevents double switching, and U-turn for momentum
If you can't see the niche you're retarded

>>31395667
It's the best one in doubles even without Intimidate if that helps

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Where's this guy gonna end up?

>>31395850
NU

>>31394928
if you use avalugg + mirror coat atleast change the spread to 248 hp, 16+ def, 244 sdef. also put focus blas instaed of signal beam on reuniclus..
In general give your non magic guard mons always 248 hp

>>31395813
Not him, but outside the last point, Skarmory is better even if Magnezone is a thing. Grass/ghost is a bad combination for a defensive/bulky pokemon in OU.

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So, which is better? I have 1400 elo rn
The flaws on the left team that I can think of are
>No SR
>No Defog
>+1 Mega Gyarados sweeps it

Team on the right
>SR but also a defogger
>??? EV spread for Fini (pls suggest one)

Yes, I unironically gave Gengar an Air Balloon

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>>31395554
>>31395415

Or Mimikyu in Gen 7

>>31394663

244 HP on Gliscor for max healing. What are you running all that speed for? Maybe replace Swords Dance with Acrobatics for Buzzwole, or Ice/Fire Fang for Landorus-T/Scizor, Celesteela and Ferrothorn.

Mash, Pursuit, Thunderpunch, Earthquake on Metagross.

Normalium Z for Z-Belly Drum on Azumarill.

Life Orb on Clefable. Magic Guard is too good. Give it Softboiled, drop Thunderbolt.

Give Dugtrio a Sash. It doesn't need Choice Band anymore, especially not with Sucker Punch.

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>>31395635
Please, some of us wish we got our favorites in BL.
>favorite is on list
>all its their to do is use one move then die
I just want shuckle to be good. Why can't it get recover, an hp boost, and maybe harvest?

>>31396165
The one of the left, except...
>AV lele
Are you actually fucking serious?

Wait, can someone explain to me how shedinja could possibly be used at all when fire, ghost, flying, rock, and dark type moves are used very frequently?

>>31396831
Because not everything uses those moves. With hazards gone (every Shed team uses Sableye and a Defogger) it acts as a check to a good portion of the meta that can't be worn down.

>>31396165
The one on the left triggers me. 2 priority users on a team with tapu lele which has an assault vest. Also don't use scald on greninja please.

>>31396855
Priority and Lele are understandable. But why no Scald? I hate Hydro Miss

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>>31396831
I imagine as a free switch in on tapus and the cockroach. They typically hold choice items and go for STAB meaning good old sheddy and get a free switch in.

Whats a good arcanine set?

>>31396893
Probably max speed and attack with a choice scarf or band. Only moves you'll really use with it are blitz for STAB and extreme speed for priority.

>>31396893
Arcanine has a ton of UU sets, you should check smogon. He can go offensive, defensive, support, mixed, in VGC he sometimes goes full special, etc.

>>31396871
Even if you hate missing go with surf. Greninja needs all the power it can to get a kill off and do its job.

Why is protean greg allowed in OU now? I know OCfrog can't get gunk shot which fucks up tapus but why is regular greg seen as fine now?

>>31394625
>mega chomp is lower than regular chomp
what did happen

>>31396968
My protean greninja had surf and everyone told me to use Scald for burn. What the fuck.
Also what if I put Fini (still in need of actual EV spread) instead of Lele? I have 2 electric immunities and a resistance anyways.

>>31397005
Mefa chomp was always lower, its not as good.

>>31397005
>slower
>worse ability
>can't hold items
I have no idea anon

Yeah tapu finish is way better. Supports meta gross with misty terrain, has defog, good answer to a lot of stall mons. I recommend taunt, defog, nature's madness, and then surf/moonblast

>>31397005
It's always been lower, and considered "OU by technicality"

>>31397007
Battle bond requires a kill, so it need hit in the hardest way possible, also if the foe die for passive damage Greninja doesn't transform.

>>31396780
>some of us wish we got our favorites in BL
Why in hell would you want them stuck in limbo?

>>31397601
BL is perfectly usable. He's probably refering to a pokemon that is PU-tier shit.

>>31396780
>Why can't it get recover, an hp boost, and maybe harvest?
because fuck you that's why

>>31394625
rip torn, my uu team lookin' less and less like ORAS ou now.

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I've been hovering around 1350 with this. What needs to improve?

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>>31394625
How fugged am I /vp/?

>>31398706
Zygarde complete is uber anon.

>>31398706
>Incineroar
>Komala
Replace these because they are horrible.

>>31398706
>file name
Nigga that ain't HO

>>31398712
ohdamn, wasn't sure because it was listed under OU when I picked pokemon
How would regular Zarde fare?

Why does no one seem to know what hyper offence actually is?

>>31398727
Komala is good for memeing and has good attack. Inceneroar is garbage though.

>tfw my boi weaville didn't even make it

OU is fucking crazy these days, I wonder if UU is decent now if only to avoid the Tapu/UB/Stall spam that every team seems to be made of now

>>31398959
Stall is still a thing in UU, some dude peaked #1 and posted his stall team on the forums.

>Ash-Greninja that high

how? isn't it shit because it can't get kills even with specs because no protean?

>>31394625
why isn't Mimikyu here? why was Toxapex moved down so badly?

>>31398706
>HO
Goddamn the first guy had at least a couple HO mons

>>31399003
I'm not too surprised with stuff like suicune and blissey are in UU while all the crazy BST mons to break stall are in OU

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>>31399018
No, it can get kills fine and the boost it gets is insane. With a life orb its great.
>>31399055
Mimikyu hits hard but can easily be worked around. Couple that with it not being to take a hit and it becomes risky to run. I imagine it dropping to BL or maybe UU.

As for toxapex I don't see why. It has everything a dedicated wall needs.

>>31398959
Weavile is in A- you F+

>>31394625
> B- Rank
> Kabutops
> Omastar
Can someone explain me how?

>>31399188
Rain got better because of Pelipper

>>31399188
they are better at what they do than hippowdon, azumarill and thundurus are at what they do

>>31399169
Lul goddamn sorry I cant read, happened last time too when I thought they had left off Togekiss

>>31399188
Swift swim obviously, pelipper is dragging a bunch of rain mons up

>>31399188
Kabutops because pelipper is alive

I've never used omastar tho. He has shell smash and again rain is p strong, the same reasons why kingdra is so damn high.

>>31399149
>As for toxapex I don't see why. It has everything a dedicated wall needs.

probably because it can't do anything but sit there and soak up damage. at least chansey can force switches, paralyze and pull cleric duty

>>31399230
no one uses shell smash omastar with rain because then youre not really taking advantage of swift swim as well as wasting a precious turn to set up
specs is best for spamming off of the big spatk

>>31399055
Mimikyu is in C rank. Personally I think he should be higher just cus a lot of people try to play around disguise with statuses which leads to free substitutes and even more free swords dances but he gets beat 1v1 by a lot of mons.

>>31394625
>Mega-medicham and mega-lopunny nowhere to be seen
>Fucking kommo-o and decidueye got in instead

What?


Are they seriously going to send those 2 megas in lower tiers and expect sone kind of balance?

>>31399301
every player ive battled over 1200 elo has just busted it asap, as you should
if only its mechanics were identical to subsitute (doesnt brake if damage is worth <25%, blocks certain status) but then im sure little kiddies would cry at gf for making it too op

>>31399325
You can't use those in showdown pokebank OU cus the megastones aren't in the game.

Neither Kommo-o or decidueye should even be on the list I agree though. At least till Kommo-o gets shell smash

>>31399325
Those Megas are unreleased

>>31399325
>Are they seriously going to send those 2 megas in lower tiers and expect sone kind of balance
whoa, the tard that unironically sees smogon as the big baddy is legitimately clueless about what theyre talking about?? color me surprised
many megas are unreleased (as in, NOT banned) because their mega stones were not in alola and, as far as we know, you wont be able to transfer items like mega stones into gen 7 via pokebank

>>31397001
there are things to outspeed it and take care of it now. Personally I think greninja as a whole is most likely to be suspected next, if anything will be.

>>31399468
Protean Greninja has counters?

>>31394625
What the fuck how did Azumarill go from S-rank candidate to C+ in 2 months?

>>31400161
because if the opponent has Megagross, Mega Venu or Tapu Lele on their team, you start the match at a 6/5 disadvantage

>>31400479
Megagross and Megasaur were common last gen though

>>31400491
but you didn't start the game at 5/6 with them on the opposing team

also Bulu shits on it's chest and it has nothing to get around toxapex

>>31400491
Megas have their speed changed the turn they mega evolve now. Those 2 specifically are around for lele, azu is just a casualty.

>>31400524
>but you didn't start the game at 5/6 with them on the opposing team

I'm not sure I follow. Yeah those mons beat Azu 1v1, but every mon beats another mon.

>>31400602
Megagross gor better since other megas are not available and fairies everywhere.
MegaVenu got better since no Talonflame.

Because of that they're more common.

>>31400161
Tapu Koko doesn't give a shiet if it's running AV, Kartana slices it in half, Heatran can do the BLOOM DOOM, ect.

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>>31394928
At least your nicknames are cool

Is serperior any good in ou right now? What about ttar?

>>31401727
Ttar has always will always be good
And serp is the only non-shitmon with contrary
so yeah to both

>>31399468
First is Tapu Lele
Then Megagross
Then Ash-Greninja

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>>31394625
>feraligatr
>no swampert
What happened?

>>31402694
Mega-Metagross is only so good due to the situation. Lele buffs it's Zen Headbutts, and with everyone running Lele Metagross is also a good offensive check. Additionally the lack of avaliable mega stones means that it doesn't conflict with other Megas while teambuilding.

>>31402883
No Mega Swampert and regular isn't that good at all.

>>31402694
Megagross didn't go to ubers last gen, it won't for this one.

>>31399055
B+ isn't too bad at all

Toxa is where it is because it's complete setup fodder for anything other than stat boosts. Rocks, spikes, substitutes, defogs, spins, and stat boosts if it's taunted.

It doesn't go down very easily, but it's not that scary while it's up until you like reach the point where stalling with Toxic gets you the win, and that point is only reached through the work of its team.

WHY THE FUCK IS EXCADRILL STILL OU
IT'S FUCKING MEME TRASH

>>31394625
So, is this or the VGC thread better for general competitive questions?

Is Calm a good nature for a Slowbro or should I keep trying for a Bold?

>>31403634
Smogon and VGC are different formats. Regardless of which one you're playing though use Bold

>>31403622
Starmie is actually meme trash, so it's the only good spinner and the scarfed set eats Koko and revenges Lele, among other things.

>>31403634
I think an argument could be made for calm if you're running mega Slowbro, otherwise go bold

>>31403652
Thanks. I guess I'll stick to VGC threads. I don't really play Smogon but still see what Smogon says about a certain Pokemon

>>31403662
Yeah, Megas aren't allowed in VGC, so I'm just running regular Slowbro as a Trick Room setter. Thank you though