Who's the best (or one of the best) fighting types competitively?

Pheremosa, buzzwole

Buzzwole or Pheromosa

Pheromosa, possibly Bozzwole

Marshadow

Besides legendaries and UB, who makes the best fighting type?

>>31391179
Breloom an Conk

I'd say Buzzwole or Pheromosa

>>31391179
Mega Lopunny or Mega Medicham

>>31391129
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>>31391168
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>>31391179
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>>31391207
Lucario is the only right answer

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Protean mat block greninja

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>>31391223

Mega Lopunny is a given.
Others are Blaziken and Infernape.

To this day I want to believe that Hitmonlee is really good though but I think I'm just being delusional.
At least he's worth his salt in Pokémon Go though.

Competitively : Pheromosa and Hariyama, according to usage stats
Casually, Mega Lucario

Mega lucario, mega blaziken, and mega mewtwo X. Pheromosa is also very good, and so is buzzwole. We can expect marshadow to kick ass with those stats, typing and movepool too.

How is machamp competitively? Also what makes breloom and hariyama some of the best?

>>31391313
>breloom
spore
>hariyama
fake out, able to OHKO P2 thanks to guts

>>31391245
>he

>>31391330
What's weird about he? 100% of Hitmonlee are male aren't they?

>>31391367
But did you ask them their pronouns?
I didn't think so CIS scum.

>>31391389
Why would you bother asking on a 100%male Pokémon? Or are you just spreading the cancer?

>>31391405
What if they don't identify as male? stop oppressing them

>>31391405
I feel triggered

>>31391417
I'm a white privileged male, I do what I want lol. Also which fighting type Pokémon is best competitively?

>>31391428
Garchomp

>>31391428
ledian

How is heracross and mega heracross?

>>31391441
Slow. Powerful but slow. Would recommend choice scarf.

Bulky Mega-cross might have been fun if he got Drain Punch or Leech Life but sadly this is not the case.

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How's about hawlucha?

>>31391463
Seems like Buzzwole pretty much replaced Megacross.

>>31391474
Beast Boost, recovery and not wasting a Mega slot will do that.

Jojobug

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How's Mienshao, it's somewhere in there in the fighting type ranking?
I remember using it in both of my BW/BW2 playthrough and cutting pokemon in half with high jump kicks

Isn't lucario viable? Z-Close combat can oneshot porygon2, which completly denies trickrooms based on it
Im not a pro player but i had some succes with him

>>31393428
>that shit speed
>mixed and frail
epic meme

Out of curiosity, are there any viable defensive fighting types out there?

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Hitmontop has the most consistent results in VGC. It placed top 8 in almost every year it was legal in.

>>31393304
it was UU last gen, but with the influx of new OU mons might just kick it down to RU, only time will tell.

>>31391223
>>31391243
No, he's right, but only if the Lucario is proud of its power.

>>31391245
I feel you bro
Lee is one of my favorites to use, he just doesn't have much going for him
Maybe tutors will give him Trop Kick

>>31393456
No because fighting is a poor defensive type

>>31393911
it used to be better when it only had two weaknesses.

Not good, but better

>>31393926
Fairy beating dragon I can deal with, but Dark and Fighting did not need a fucking nerf like that.

>>31393942
they needed to balance the chart so no type combo would have no weaknesses, so the dark weakness was necessary, or at least ghost but that fucked a bit with its universality.

Fighting was just completely fucking shit up in gen V.

>>31391179
Greninja with low kick

>>31393949
It's only because Gen 5 introduced many very good fighting types.

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>>31391129

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>is one of the three Pokemon to get Power Trip, the new physical version of Stored Power

Primeape needed something to set him apart from other fighting types, but cmon man. He's too gimmicky like that.

Personally though the other pig I use puts in a lot more work without any setup, Emboar is amazing.

Choice Emboar still wallbreaks the shit out of things with Headsmash/Wild Charge/Flare Blitz. It getting Sucker Punch also helps it do a surprise priority revenge kill too. With the influx of Steel types and bulky pivots this gen, Emboar can punish any switches like A-Marowak, Celesteela, Skarmory or Toxapex.

Corecrushing is fun, and this gen is nothing but that.

>>31394002
Primeape is pretty good in Stadium 2 desu

>>31393969
>conkeldurr
became good in gen 6
>scrafty
was okay
>mienshao
valid
>throh, sawk
shit tier
>emboar
0/10 been done twice already
>musketeers
2 of them are incredibly underwhelming, and even then, they're legendary pokemon, so there shouldn't be fuss about their power levels.

try again

>>31391313
Machamp hasnt seen significant competitive action since becoming champion of 2015 senior VGC. He's unfortunately terribly outclassed now without any major buffs

>>31394041
Conkeldurr was great even in Gen 5. Conk has replaced Machamp and, to a lesser extent, Hariyama as a bulky mono fighting type and Conkeldurr was omnipresent in VGC's 2011-2015, having claimed several championships and being OU in Gen 5

Of course in the age of fairies and UBs, the new premier fighting types have shifted to Buzzwole, Pheromosa and Marshadow

>>31394002
So wait, now I can pull an extreme meme ape with Power Trip and Anger Point?

Maybe hit him with a Frost Breath in doubles? Is it just crazy enough to work?

>>31394916
>if you wanna win using Fighting types you gotta use the newest shiniest Legendaries and nothing else
I'd be super salty about this if Marshadow wasn't so awesome. Twenty fucking years and they finally made a legendary I can get behind.

Are we forgetting that Mega Lucario is actually good in fucking Ubers compared to the others mentioned in this thread who are only OU?

>>31394978
Noone cares about megas

>>31395028
Kek, stay mad, cuck.

>>31395375
Really, who cares about a mega that is on ubers which is a cancer tier to play if we re talking about smogon, and if not, every mega is banned in vgc so who fucking cares about it

>>31391223
>>31394978
>>31395375
Gloat about (Mega)Lucario once it has won at least one championship in any division

Toxicroak, Terrakion, Hariyama, Scrafty, Machamp, Conkeldurr have been champions at least once despite not having their cocks sucked by GF

>>31396222
Trips of truth. I like how the underdogs get more play for VGC/doubles while the overrated and overhyped fighting types barely see good plays

I saw a video on YT where you can get a machamp with fissure from the 3ds version of R and B. Is this true?

>>31396847
M Luke is more of an underdog than Machamp and Hariyama desu

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>>31397051
>being this delusional
In what planet is Mega Lucario the underdog against Machamp?

>>31396222
>doubles
>competative

>>31397169
>>31396222

>>31397230
it's okay, anon. maybe smogon will be official in the future. For the meantime, deal with the fact that VGC is THE competitive

>>31397352
You can't seriously be considering this post as the standard on which pokemon are underdogs especially when all of those mentioned do not have megas and most even have lower BSTs compared to base form Lucario, and their movepools not as blessed. 2/10 made me reply

>>31394002
I've used the ape as a scarf pivot with some really good coverage but with those stats he doesn't have much

>>31397510
>their movepools not as blessed
i mean, it's not like Machamp or Conkeldurr need anything else

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>>31391129
Here's a strong Fighting type for you

>>31397837
Do you see either on OU or the VGC scene right now? Former needs something as desperate as an OHKO to even be borderline relevant while latter's niche is already being taken over by the shinier new toys

>>31397996
>caring about just OU and VGC

>>31397230
How is that non-existent price money and event support working out for you?

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>>31391129
>2016
Hitmontop 2x (Masters and Juniors)

>2015
Machamp (Seniors)

>2014
N/A

>2013
Conkeldurr 2x (Masters and Juniors)
Machamp (Seniors)

>2012
>2011
couldn't complete find data

>2010
Hariyama

>>31398640
Wow. Never knew pure fighting types had this much presence

>>31398640
RIP fighting types

>>31391129
Mega Lucario is the best fighting type in singles ,that mega Speed buff did it wonders.

>>31398640
Who has 2011-12 data?

>>31391464
Actually not bad. Was BL last gen, might eventually reappear in UU this gen. Fighting/Flying is a god-tier offensive STAB combo and SD + Unburden turns it into a terror.
Will be hilarious if Flying Gem ever gets released again.

>>31393456
AV Buzzwole is a good tank, sporting the highest Defense stat of any Fighting-type. Chesnaught was decent last gen, having the bulk and moves to capitalize on that neat EdgeQuake resistance. Defensive Infernape is a meme that puts in way more work than it has any right to due to its goofy movepool (Wisp, Slack Off, Taunt). Beyond those admittedly tenuous examples, no. In addition to not being a very good Defensive type, Fighting-type Pokemon don't tend to get very good defensive stats and movepools.

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>>31401335
>In addition to not being a very good Defensive type, Fighting-type Pokemon don't tend to get very good defensive stats and movepools.
what do you think about this?

>Type
Fighting
>Role
A defensive mon that relies on utility/support moves to bring some variety in monofighting type teams instead of the usual slow bulky tank or speedy mixed sweeper roles.
>Concept
mixture of Kabuki theatrics, oni and warrior
>Abilities
Guts, Intimidate, Provoke (HA)
Guts appears to be standard for bruiser fighting types, Intimidate due to Kabuki mask/make up, Provoke is auto-taunt ability, also due to Kabuki mask
>stat spread
HP: 105
Atk: 120
Def: 100
Sp. Atk: 45
Sp. Def: 100
Spe: 35
BST: 505
the slow speed references the slow (start) of Kabuki theatre, and so it could be of use with Trick Room, and to balance out its good bulk and good attack
>moves
nothing unique but definitely has Sucker Punch to make use of the Auto-taunt ability and to avoid overlap with priority of other fighting types (Bullet/Mach punch), Close Combat, Trick Room (again to reference the theatre movements), Healing Pulse, Helping Hand, Follow Me, Me First, Fake Out

three stage line that evolves by trading

>>31401509
It'd make for a really good tank and a great TR setter (especially in doubles, since they can't Protect to waste your TR turns) but without recovery and so few good resistances (Dark is really the only important one) it's not going to go very far as a true wall. Those three abilities are fantastic, though, especially Provoke. Honestly it seems like it'd be more of a threat to Stall than any other play style, switching in on passive shit for free and setting up Trick Room or literally anything else without fear of:
>Haze
>Roar/Whirlwind
>Spore
>Toxic
>Wisp
>Thunder Wave
>Encore
>enemy setup moves
>hazards
>Substitute
>Taunt kek
Really the only way Stall could stop it from setting up and ruining its shit would be with Dragon Tail or Circle Throw, or getting lucky with Scald. And if you consider that it probably has a flimsy excuse to tack on a Fairy subtyping...
Actually now that I think about it auto-Taunt is probably broken as fuck.

>>31401683
>It'd make for a really good tank and a great TR setter
that's what I was going for
>without recovery
i didn't really mean that all the moves I listed are all it gets. I just don't want to slap Drain Punch to it because I'm trying to find alternative builds, and not just a rehash or mix-match of existing roles
>Those three abilities are fantastic, though, especially Provoke. Honestly it seems like it'd be more of a threat to Stall than any other play style
Thanks. That's exactly what I was going for. Playing monotype fighting is tough because you are almost always on the offensive without many options against really good stall (i.e., prankster fairy types that shut you down with burn, sleep, etc) and roles are often limited to what I've mentioned above. I want something like this to be introduced soon so bad.

>>31401784
Fair enough. Provoke is a really cool idea for an ability. The Pokemon as a whole does seem a bit too centered around a non-martial-arts-related concept for being a pure Fighting-type, though. I could see Psychic, Dark, Fairy, and possibly Ghost working as secondary typings, but I can understand why you'd want to keep it mono-Fighting for balance reasons.

>>31401921
I was using Meloetta's pirouette form using a performing art as a form of fighting discipline, but I also understand where you're coming from

>>31393465
It's not unusual.