Where exactly do we go from here? Was Speed creep a mistake?

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>Not using pokemon with below 50 speed
KEK

>deoxys non speed forms still have some of the highest speed in game
why was speed form made again

>>31305138
Why are bugs so fast?

>>31305138
Massive speed nerfs to a large chunk of the fast Pokemon's.

>>31305190
Ever try to kill one in real life?

>>31305138
>my nigga electrode still hanging out in the top 5 surrounded my legendaries and megas

>>31305138
>electrode paying speed for stats
>suddenly lol no fuck that, here you go fast and hit hard right off the bat

Things like Deoxys and Ninjask havce always been around. Pharamosa, while still terrible, is supposed to be an overpowered pokemon.

The speed creep more is around the 120s-30s range. Since we have things like Mega-Lopunny, Menectric and Greninja slowly creeping, that might be why Alola is so slow. Doesn't mean you can't still just try out a nice 100/110 sped stat, but whatever.

>>31305138
Just introduce 2 new pokemon with auto trick room. Or one new pokemon with auto trick room and change the HA of 2 others into auto trick room.

Instant fix to your speed problem.

>>31305190
>4 of the top 15 are bugs
>3 are Deoxys
really compels you to ponder

>>31305337
>bronzong with auto trick room
please game freak

181 speed.

>turn order becomes variable from turn to turn using speed stat and a formula similar to damage, with enough variance to allow speed tiers to cross over

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>>31305190
Why indeed

>>31305337
Since we got auto terrain abilities with the Tapus, it would be cool if Gen 8's minor legendary trio had auto Trick Room/Wonder Room/Magic Room abilities.

>>31305238

In spirit, maybe.

>>31305138

Trick room is meant to counter speed freaks but you guys meme it to death

It is a good fucking strategy

Trick room

Paralysis

Gyro Ball

>Pheromosa of all mons uses Scarf

It's ogre. Nowhere to go but down.

>>31305138
The problem is that they're making Pokémon that are both very fast and very strong instead of just one or the other.

>>31305733
Trick Room will always be a meme until Game Freak creates an Ability for it. The only reason Weather and Terrain are good is because of Pelliper and the Tapu.

I am more upset deoxys got cucked from having the highest Attacking stats.

>>31305408
Trick Rooms is the only useful of those, unless the other two get some buffs (like terrains did) theyre better off giving just Trick Room to some shitmon like Chimecho

>>31305188
So emerald could have a deoxys form

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>>31305138
>>31305190
Fucking unburden accelerator

speed creep is only a mistake when its on a pokemon that also has beefy attacking stats

Because you need 3 stats to be defensive but only 2 to be offensive

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>>31307042
>145/153/132
>holds choice specs

>>31305188
a generally all round form that has 'ok' offense and 'ok' defense but only excels in Speed

>>31305138
>Was Speed creep a mistake?
Yes

>Where exactly do we go from here?
We go back and fix it.

>>31305405

So dissapoint, too bad because him and Golisopod were my faves design-wise and both have so sort of shitty catch, while Goli is still usable and has nice stats, this shit will either be in need of a scarf or focus sash despite it looks like a fast as fuck pokémon, BUG+ELECTRIC+WINGS, hell, this thing's gonna be fucking Sanic the Bug pokémon.

I still use it since it at least has a very fucking good sp. att. stat.

>>31305138
>Where exactly do we go from here?
Abilities that set Rooms, Gravity, and Heal Block.

>>31307191
I will never understand Vikavolt's stats.
>Hey, let's make a pokemon with the two fastest types and give it terrible speed.

>>31305405
DELET THIS

>>31307221
its a rail gun

>Joleteon and Crobat are now outsped by three pokemon in OU
Really makes one ponder

>>31306274
Magic room should also prevent the use of mega evolution and Z-moves. Don't know what to do about wonder room though. Really, the introduction of an auto setter would be a massive buff in itself. Nobody used terrains in gen 6, and nobody used sun and rain in gen 3 and 4, outside of ubers at least.

>>31306582
Unburden Accelgor with Water Shuriken

An ability that causes the user to take less damage the higher the enemies speed is.

>>31305138
>Deoxys Spe
>Deoxys Atk
Besides not dying by being sneezed on, why would you ever use Speed Deoxys over Attack Deoxys?

>>31309605
You're playing Emerald?

>>31309605
>besides this reason to use it, why would you use it?
why do people do this

>>31307221
>And we will also make it a really late game evo with a awesome design,to fool people into thinking it's good

Gamefreak says they were trying to fight speed creep with those abysmal stats,but i don't believe them after seeing super Jolteon and bug Deoxys.

>>31309605
Deoxys Spe gets Extremespeed

>>31307364
it's a worse Galvantula with Levitate.

Why didn't they make it Physical? Megahorn / Wild Charge / Brave Bug / Iron Head or Earthquake would've been better than a worse Galvantula

>>31305188
For hazards.

>>31309753

>It's a "worse [insert pokemon]" meme because these two pokemon have the same types episode.

Just like how Zygarde is a worse Garchomp, right? Fuck off. Galavantula and Vikavolt play differently especially since Galvantula has access to Sticky Web.

>Why didn't they make it Physical?

Because there are already enough physical bugs in Alola and it's a literal railgun.

>>31305337
It's not going to happen. There's a reason Trick Room is -6.

>>31309422
>nobody used rain in gen 4 outside of ubers
Dumb dumb dumb you are a dumb dumb

>>31310541
Seriously, auto Trick Room is a retarded idea and would be incredibly broken.

Sub 1900 shitters need to keep their dumb ideas to themselves.