Competitive Thread

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>>31296259
At least use the newer one instead of the one from a month ago

>>31296393
>Sinnohan Toxapex

I would've if it wasn't for that garbage. I saw it before and liked it until then

>>31296498
...well fuck, I didn't even notice that myself. Guess the person who wrote it was a dumbshit. Gimme a moment.

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>>31296498
There we go

Where do Kommo-o, Tsareena, and Raichu rank?

>>31296711
Tsareena is in UU right now, Kommo-o and Raichu are in RU. Hilariously, Tsareena has about the same usage as Decidueye and Dhelmise in UU. People really want to use the new grass hazard removal for some reason.

>>31296783
I think it's just waifufaggotry, everyone wants their super special mascot to be shitty dominatrixmon or meme owl.

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Viability rankings for anyone interested.

I've seen multiple A-Marowak sets, but which one is considered the best?

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>>31296259
>still not fighting type
>still not letting anyone else be fighting type

Predictions on how bank will change the meta?

>>31296944
This IS bank.

>>31296944
Pokebank OU and pokebank doubles have been out on showdown for a while now.

How the hell is Ash-Greninja suddenly better than Protean Greninja? Everyone was shitting on it being inferior.

>>31296997
It's Mega Greninja that can hold an item.

>>31297009
Only if you can score a revenge kill with it. Greninja's base stats pre-transformation aren't exactly amazing.

>>31296962
>>31296984
Oh.

Fuck this is just awful.
Is there any hope?

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>>31297025
>Greninja's base stats pre-transformation aren't exactly amazing.
It's the most minmaxed starter ever.

>>31297071
You could try RU

>>31296732
>Magneton
Where did the other steel types go?

>>31296997
People realized Ash-gren was really good when they slapped a specs on it instead of using it like regular Gren. Use it as a mid game cleaner to score easy kills and kill things with those hydro pumps.

Water Shuriken also turns into an at least 60 BP priority coming off a base 153 spa with specs and the increased speed means it outspeeds Tapu Koko now and can OHKO with Hydro Pump

>>31296732
Really? This is UU right now? Fuck that, I am going to NU.

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What nature for a mixed Kommo-o? I got Naive but I dunno if I should drop the speed seeing how it's the lowest stat

>>31296732
i love this

>>31296393
this was made by a tard, someone make a less shit one pls

>>31297954
I imagine Naughty or Rash could be solid

>>31296732
Quite disgusting, really.

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>>31296732
template if anyone wants to do another version or remade it more accurate version of UU right now

>>31297986
I'm pretty sure that >>31296393 was made by a group of anons.

>>31298077
nah he took like three or four suggestions, but the rest was by the same guy

>>31298075
Just so you know, Swampert should be off there since it actually is RU right now.

>>31297954
Kommo-o @ Life Orb
Ability: Bulletproof
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 40 Atk / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
Naive/Rash Nature
- Sky Uppercut
- Flamethrower
- Clanging Scales
- Poison Jab

this is the best set ive been able to come up with for the thing, pretty clearly made to be mixed
naive lets you outpace poopa and buzzwole whereas rash gives you the power to smash through shit like phys def toxapex, 2hkoing them after rocks

is the only time I can catch tapu koko during that super long sequence after beating the game? do I really need to go through that every time until I get one with a good nature? T_T

>>31298347
No, you can kill him and go to the shrine in post game to catch him.

>>31297071
Lopunnite and the other stones might be patched in when bank is released. Not that it'd help all that much.

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Which tier is bubble bro in?

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>>31296259
best version

>>31298724
RU. It might rise up to UU after some stuff moves up.

>>31298075
>those top 6
>Thundurus
>Tornadus-T

What went so horribly wrong?

>>31296393
>Sinnohan Toxapex
SINNOH VARIATIONS CONFIRMED!

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>>31296259

What's the current mons on RU?

>>31299873
everything below UU, its currently the bottom, wait 1 month for NU and a month after that for PU

>>31297025
It's good at scoring revenge kills though. It's fast and it's got a great priority move.

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>>31296732
>>31298075
I'm so sorry UUfags

>>31299889
And even after that some pokemon will still be shifting around the tiers.

>>31296393
>this is ou
>>31296732
>this is uu

I never thought i'd say this but I miss gen 6

>>31297025
Base ninja Hits harder than Starmie

I don't see anyone complaining about it.

>>31296393
>anime was a mistake
Kill this meme. Frogninja was strong in the anime too. It beat a Mega fucking Sceptile. It just had a weakness to Alan, who only leveled his shitzard up. Greninja was great in the anime.

>>31298075
>Azumarril back in UU
It's like I'm back in gen 3 again.

This is a joke, right?

>>31296393
>>31300014
>Magnezone > Magneton
I'm not a competitive fag but I'll take it this is the ultimate sign that the Tapus have made Fairy such cancer that Steel is now valued more offensively than defensively?

>>31297009
No. Mega Greninja would be stronger. It wouldn't need a KO, wouldn't be restricted to one move, and would have Protean.

>>31300083
or
>battle bond mega greninja

>>31298127
>Shiny: Yes
Opinion discarded

>>31300077
No that's completely wrong. Magnezone is used to beat other steel types.

>>31296259
>landorus therian still has a choke hold over OU
>tons of shit like scizor and dragonite dropped to UU
>extreme cancer like chansey is still shitting around
>ferrothorn and skarmory now basically have annoying bulky water counter-parts
>2 greninjas
>stronger dugtrio
>talonflame is gone but shit that it checked like mega pinsir are now better
>currently, suicune is RU

this is beyond fucked, like what the hell happened

Also at this rate, smogon is gonna have to created a new tier between OU and UU, something like CU (commonly used), to fix all this bullshit. Either that, or the banlists this gen are gonna be filled up.

>>31298088
similarly shouldn't stuff like say porygon-z also be there?

>>31300201
porygon-z just dropped to UU, why would it be RU?

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>every gen a bunch of OU pokemon drop into UU because of new toy syndrome and former Ubers allowed in OU
>every gen you guys freak out and complain about power creep and act as if the meta is fucked
>within a few months most rise back up into OU, some stuff gets booted to ubers, and the meta settles. Everything goes back to normal.
Every single gen this happens. Reminder Deoxys D was in UU for a while last gen. Stop acting as if this is the first time this shit has happened.

>>31300218
meant on the UU list

>>31300258
UU has changed over the years though, you can't really deny that.
RU looks a lot more like the UU of yore.

>>31300310
not only that, but to deal with more pokemon in the meta and more and more getting pushed down, they had to make PU a real tier

>>31296623
thank you anon

>>31300077
Not at all. Magnezone has overshadowed Magneton since DP because it has better defenses and offenses, this isnt a recent occurrence. The only reason to use Magneton is it's slightly higher speed. And as >>31300124 says, both are mainly used to beat other steel types, not as fairy-killers.

>>31300394
I wonder if magneton would see some alternative usage if it had levitate as an option

>>31300412
people do use magneton over magnezone on speicifc teams that need a faster mon that does what magnezone does, they usually run it scarf, but usually it's just better to have magnezone

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>>31298075

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>>31296393
>BURASTO BAHN
>BAHN

whoever made this has to learn the memes he uses, it's BAAN

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>>31300083
>imagine Protean Ash-Greninja

>>31299834
>Deoxsys

>BURASTU

it's burasto

other than that I like this

>>31296732
This is fucking perfect

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>>31296393
>>31296623
Fixed the Unovan and BURASTO BAAN

>>31299787
>ferrothorn introduced in unova
???

>>31300083
>Stronger
>Can't carry items

Ash-Greninja is megamon that doesn't take your mega slot.
it's whole style of needing a K.O shifting your opponent against giving it the kills, which making other mons taking more damage in the meantime, which makes easier job for you afterward.

there is a reason why it's A+ rank

>>31300666
>>Can't carry items
The raw power and utility options that Protean gives it would be more useful.

>Ash-Greninja is megamon that doesn't take your mega slot.
Not gonna deny that is a huge plus. A Mega Greninja can't do that, and would be less useful because of it. But it would still be better in the majority of situations.

>>31300698
The biggest difference mega-greninja would have over ash-greninja is that it could get egg / old tutor moves, what keeps ash-greninja "balanced" is it doesn't have shit like gunk shot, the two spikes and low kick

>>31299873
A ton of stuff, but here are the few that stood out to me

-Suicune
-Swampert
-Lucario
-Togekiss
-Hydreigon
-Slowbro
-Entei
-Nidoking/queen
-Crobat
-Celebi
-Snorlax
-Alakazam
-Heracross

>>31300786
RU is just older UU with a new letter slapped on to it.
What the actual fuck is going on with the meta.

>>31300797
The same thing as every gen.

>>31300797
Who would have guessed that Tapus and UBs would be such a gamechanger

>>31298075
Wait is salamence BL?

>>31300818
This gen is a lot worse since the Tapus / UB have pushed most of the previous OU-mons out of the tier

>>31300829
Was just unbanned a few days ago so its not showing up on the chart, will probably be top 10 next time if it doesn't get banned

>>31300830
Keldeo, Azumarill, Thundy and Clefable went from OU S-rank candidates to solid UU candidates just to prove a point. Clef was an actual Sranker too

>>31300786

So is Slowbro or M-Slowbro better? People keep flip-flopping

>>31300866
why use one when you can use both, just use slowbro for the regenerator ability until you need to mega evolve it. UU doesn't really have any good megas right now so theres no reason to not give slowbro a mega stone

>>31300866
Both have their merits as >>31300873 says.

I personally use the mega offense set, but only mega evolve it when shit like terrakion, aero, and gyara become a problem

scald, slack off, psychic, and ice beam is really good in this meta and the set I use

scald and slack off are mandatory, and you can interchange the last two moves for various threats.

Psychic helps me deal with keldeo, terrak, gengar, and hits stuff that resists scald pretty hard

Ice beam for both thundys, aero, dragons, and tornadus

>>31300943
Forgot to add that fire blast can help you deal with scizor, weavile, anchor, and spookyowl

Everyone sleeping on bulky volcarona right now but with bird gone it gets a lot of opprotunities ti set up

Why the fuck is everything so overpowered in RU? Holy shit, get back in UU. Or hell, OU for some of you.

>>31299474
worst version by far. I remember you from yesterdays thread I think, just stop.

>>31300975
Look man, have you seen what's in UU now?
You may complain about overpowered stuff, but we now have to deal with fucking genies and ponies and god knows what else.

>>31300441
Not funny. Not even a single one.

>>31298075
>>31300786
Fucking hell. Ban Dnite, Scizor, Keldeo, Terrak, Thundy-I and Raptor.

Bring back Suicune, Zam, Entei, Slowbro, Lucario and Togekiss

>>31296393
Wait why should Fini not use Scald?

>>31301062
terrain

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OU when?

>>31301062
It cant score burns because misty terrain prevents status

>>31301084
Never, flinchhax is fucking cancer

>>31300975
Just move to NU once all your favorites get bumped out of RU by all the powercreepy bullshit. Simple.

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>>31301098
Nonsense :) It's fun for me

Honest questions before getting into Comp.

Do people Cheat in their pokemons or get hem all legit from events and EV training etc

>>31301101
To be fair, most of my favorites were in NU and PU anyway, but at this rate, they'll need to add yet another tier to handle the creep.

>>31300441
I remember someone telling me not to rset for Necrozmas nature because it would defintely be ubers. What the fuck happened?

>>31301112
Yeah, really. Tapus and UBs pushed so much out of OU it really did impact the power levels of all tiers below it. I'd say even more than ever before, which is shocking for such a small amount of viable pokemon in a generation. Honestly, this is the first time I'm getting Yugioh vibes from Pokemon, where older ones are just flat-out useless, no chance to compete at all whereas before they could eke out a win now and then.

>>31301110
Anybody seriously playing Smogon comp is either using Showdown or is cheating their mons in.

You might have netdeckers using Smogon sets online and that's a mixed bag of hackers and breeders

>>31301136
Obviously they had no idea what they were talking about and you can't think for yourself. Have you SEEN Necrozma's type and stats?

>>31301112
Just rename BL to something else (CU for Commonly Used like that other anon said sounds good) and there you can put all the OU-viable stuff that doesn't meet the usage rate, as well as UU mons that are too good for the tier.

>>31301167
If a new tier is made it would be below PU. Sticking a tier in between two others wouldn't make sense.

>>31301142
dont lie nobody cheats they play by the rules

>>31301167
If they keep making new tiers then eventually the player base will be too divided, I think the tiers will settle down a bit once a lot of the blatantly overpowered OU mons are banned

>>31301201
>Wanting BL to become even more crowded

Eventually they're going to have to make one, Hopefully Gamefreak can keep the powercreep in their pants next time so we don't wind up with too many too fast.

How do you play Nihilego? I got a Jolly one, is that any good?

>>31296259
>lele blueballing
>not better than a fini blowjob

>>31301232
>jolly special attacker
Anon please

>>31301232
>Doesn't even know what natures or even their pokemon do

Anon, you're probably not cut out for competitive. That's one of the worst natures it could have.

>>31301189
If you make a new tier at the bottom everything just moves downward anyway. This better serves stuff that's viable in OU but not quite used enough, as well as stuff that you know damn well is too strong for UU and is only there because of Tapus.

>>31301201
The player base is already split for any number of reasons such as what tier they play, opinions on various rules, and whether certain Pokemon should be banned. "Splitting the player base" is a dumb argument meant to maintain a shitty status quo

>>31296732
is Dragonite really in UU now?

what the fug

>>31301226
Anon, that's assuming many pokemon end up in BL instead of a bunch of UUs moving down into RU.

>>31301294
Tapus of healthy meta

if only pokemon that could be bred for nature, etc were allowed, what would these tiers look like

>>31301309
Megamence becomes king.

>>31301296
Oooh, I see. That's very possible as well. That WOULD create the need for more tiers, though, as it pushes everything else down and bloats up PU, which will become an unbalanced mess as ridiculously powerful (by its standards) pokemon get pushed in there.

>>31301296
Here's the thing. Logically, everything is going to move down. Tapus pushed a bunch of stuff out of OU into UU, which will then push things out of UU to RU, and so on. If you put a tier between OU and UU it acts as a dam preventing shit like Latias and Necrozma from being in UU.

>>31301331
Then they'd just make FU below PU. Assuming of course that they actually have enough mons for another tier.

>>31301110
Yeah. Its especially common in VGC where everyone is a lucky owner of a shiny Groudon and Landous

>>31301309
I dunno man, that pushes out a lot of things that don't deserve the banhammer like Uxie and Registeel. No Tapus would be a fucking godsend, though.

>>31301349
Of course they do, we're at fucking 801 Pokemon and most of the Pokemon this gen are PU garbage.

>>31301343
What exactly is wrong with Latias and Necrozma being in UU? If everything just moves down anyway, the only difference would be the name of the tier.

>>31301140
What really hammers in the fact is Suicune is now RU, along with Snorlax.

Gengar dropping also says a lot, but that mostly has to do with its ability being flat out changed

>>31301226
Wasn't BL a tier back in Gen 3?

>>31301378
>UBs and Tapus swarm OU
>of the normal Pokemon only Toxapex and Alolan Marowak are in OU
Get your shit together, GF.

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>>31301384
>Undisputed S+ rank cancer king of UU is now RU

Holy shit, that hits hard.

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>>31296732
>WHAT
>WHY
>???
>WHO THE FUCK LET YOU IN HERE

>>31301398
Alolawak is bound to drop as well, now that Genesect is gone, Koko uses U-turn > Volt Switch, and everything and their mother runs EQ

>>31296259
Question for everyone in this thread, what was/is the ideal, balanced, power-creepless metagame?

Personal vote goes to DPPt OU

>>31301425
Doesn't it still deal with Phero fairly efficiently?

>>31301435
>power-creepless metagame
Technically only gen 1

>>31301384
I really wish if they had to pull Levitate (which I still maintain was an ill-advised attempt at a buff given the terrain meta) that they'd at least have given it a different ability. So many options and they pick the one it can't effectively use, It's ridiculous. Ideally, it'd keep Levitate and then get something like Infiltrator (or Merciless if we want to be super broken) as a hidden ability.

>>31301435
There will always be power creep, meta games always get stronger as more stuff is introduced, DPP OU was pretty light on it though

>>31301396
I said I don't want it being crowded, not that it was a bad idea when there were so few Pokemon and power creep hadn't progressed so far. Either UU is going to become OU or BL is going to be filled to the fucking gills with all the cancer that rained down on UU because of Tapus, and that's no fun for anyone. A new tier is going to be necessary either this gen or the next.

>>31301435
Make that DPPT OU post-garchomp. Personally, I think UU is a better candidate, basically anything could work there.

>>31301435
Gen 4

>>31301443
Yes, it still handles a few things well including Magnezone. That being said, it's starting to lean more towards a niche role and less towards a stable role like it did a few months back.

Much like Alolamuk, it's only really here to deal with specific threats

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Could that one top stall player post his team again? Lost the image

>>31301486
Alolamuks usage will plummet once lele gets suspect tested and banned

>>31301358
it strikes me ass odd that (assuming everything is done in-game) to get the most usable pokemon i need to sit around resetting like a retard

>>31301522
To be fair, ever since gen 6 you'd get 6 31IVs guaranteed and now you can use Bottle Caps to buff up your imperfect stats.
Synchronize for the right Nature and you're done.

>>31301522
Legendaries are always pushed, whats the point of there being only 1 and it having a store significance if it turns out to be completely unusable

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>>31301435
How can a meta be so perfect?

>>31301539
that's a good point. I think I just hate legendaries

>>31301567
>Flygon @ A-
>Weavile @ B-

Wow, times have changed. Icicle Crash and Knock-off were a godsend to Weavile. What made pre-fairy Clefable so good in gen 4?

>>31301596
No anon, this is for Gen 4

>>31301596
You can't be this fucking retarded

>>31301596
not sure if you're jesting or retarded

>>31301062
Fini SHOULD use Scald for getting the burn on Tapu Bulu switch-ins and non-grounded mons like Rotom-W but /vp/ is retarded.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/smogtours-gen7pokebankoususpecttest-231934

Case in point, getting the burn on Bulu early pretty much won the whole game.

>>31296259
Is Volcarona good? Every time I bring it up I'm told >sneaky pebbles.

>playing UU
>all my favorite pokemon are in that tier except Magnezone
What makes Magnezone in OU? He seems better off in UU.

>>31301717
depends if you know about rapid spin/taunt/defog/magic bounce
if not, yeah, sneaky pebbles

>>31301744
Trapping steel types

>>31301744
Trapkilling steels, mainly Ferro, Scizor, and Skarm

>>31301744
Anti Bamboo Princess.

>>31301806
Wait really? Dont they all run fire blast?

>>31301355
nope

I've been trying to catch fini for the past couple days.


Is timid the way to go? Or should I try going for a more defensive nature?

>>31301885
Bold or Calm is better.

>>31300258
>and the meta settles
And every time that the meta settles, it's a bit more cancerous than the last.

Reminder that it was only 2 gens ago that Salamence got out of ubers.

>>31302012
define cancer

>>31301567
I'm still mad about people having used Electivire so much even though it was garbage.

>>31302091
>B-but Gyarawire is a legitimate strategy!

>>31301588
Magic Guard and being able to still tank some damage.

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>>31301567
How was Jolteon B+ and Raikou B?

>>31302220
jolteon is faster and can subpass

>>31302220
more speed an BP memes

>>31297025
>Hydro Vortex
>Black Hole Eclipse
>122 speed

I only played gen 7 showdown the first few days to try out the tapus/UBs, whats the GOAT team right now so I can stomp out some shitters?

>>31302235
>>31302247
Thank you, boyos.

how do people get legendaries and other pokemon that cant fuck ditto with the right natures and ivs for real competitions?
do they reset until they get the right one?

>>31302292
They either reset or inject.

>>31302264
Tapu Gaygay/M-Alakazam core stomps shitters super hard.

>>31302292
If they hate themselves, they reset. The others just inject their legendaries.

>>31302292
dude syringes lmao

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How well would A-Greninja and M-Zard-X work on a team?

>>31302292
In theory, yes. Most just inject them.

>>31302292
http://imgur.com/a/vDjV8

Data editing

>>31301567
I was gonna say "Why the fuck isn't Garchomp in there?"
Then I realized this was gen 4 (How much did he last before going to Ubers?)

>>31302336
Rad. Im guessing phero and memefrog work well with them as well?

>>31302375
Until platinum came out I think

>>31299474
How the actual fuck can someone be this cancerous and unfunny?

>>31302375
I don't exactly remember, but I have a lot of memories of gen 4 Garchomp so I guess it took a long time

>>31302382
Very, I was going to mention Pheromosa, it really benefits from lack of priority. Greninja is iffy because you can't use Water Shuriken, but I'm sure it can be made to work.

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>>31301509
Do you mean this one?

>>31302435
Nope, he had a Toxapex with Baneful Bunker and a Roserade. He's 1800 on pre-bank OU with it, just saw him yesterday.

>>31302435
So thats not Alolatrio, right?
Why is Dugtrio seeing use right now?

Is it Shedintrapping?

>>31302430
Specs pump does a shit ton of dommage, I dont think missing out on water shurken would be too bad. Thanks lad.

>>31302486
Dugtrio traps a lot of thing that stall hates. A-Dugtrio is garbage

>>31302486
Traps stuff as usual. Also got 20+ attack, so it can reliably kill more things.

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>Spectate 1600 person
>They're using Decidueye

You'd think they'd know better by then, right? What's the weirdest thing you've seen at high-ish elo?

>>31301435
Gen 3

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>>31296259
Is this shiny Dewpider usable?
Lonely (female)
IVs: 28/31/4/31/31/31
Water Bubble
I'd like to see if I can use it after Hyper Training away that Def stat.

>>31303109
Not really, Adamant is the only way to go.

>>31303109
>Lonely
Nah m8

>>31303109
In battle spot, sure, the people there are idiots.

>>31303136
>>31303160
>>31303161
Aw. Well since I'm probably going to use it anyway but not on an A-team, what would be a good set? I do see a lot of weird natures on these things for sets on other sites, like Careful.

I saw this on koffing land, is it any good?

Araquanid @ Choice Band
Ability: Water Bubble
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Lonely
- Liquidation
- Leech Life
- Scald
- Crunch / Poison Jab??

>>31296732
>Gengar
I'm still sad, but I might re-use him when Top Lel gets the inevitable banhammer

>>31303206
Yes, it's good, it's really the only set. Use Poison Jab not crunch.

>>31303206
Eh sure, it should be fine for battle spot or something. Go with Poison Jab since Tapus are literally everywhere

>>31303238
>>31303239
Aight, Poison jab it is. Thanks

http://pastebin.com/9FBtJmTp (RU banlist/UUmons)

Based on this, what do you anons think will rise back into UU/drop into RU/get banished to BL?

>>31303354
Suicune and Alakazam are going back into UU for sure, I still can't believe they've dropped that far. Must be shiny toy syndrome.

As for BL, I can see Mence, Dnite, Keldeo, and Terrakion getting the boot since they're too much for UU. Maybe even Staraptor.

RU is anyone's game. Maybe Conkeldurr

>>31296732
>i am the only steel type here what the fuck

>empoleon
>cobalion
>forretres

>>31303456
Scizor too

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I think that the positive here is that UU is going to be pretty damn varied. I haven't played true OU since gen 4, so I think SuMo has some hope

>also how long have latis been below OU? had no idea this happened

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>>31303685
>Pretty damn varied
>Literally maybe 15 of last gen's OU mons dominating the tier with the rest being actual UU mons that have no room to compete

does using a zmove get rid of the item so acrobatics gets full damage?

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>>31298075
Gen VI UU was based, this has ponies, Gliscor, genies and Amoongus

>>31303712
No, of course not.

>>31303738
well thats no fun

>>31303707
who do you think will be dominating UU, then? Maybe I'm wrong but I can see many interesting mons being perfectly viable

>>31303775
I said it already, last gen's OU mons AKA Genies, Keldeo, Gliscor, Dragonite, etc. will be dominating UU. Most everything else will be pushed out because those Pokemon are so overwhelming.

>>31303804
you don't think that those will be sidelined to BL?

>>31303831
They're either getting pushed to BL or they'll push literally everything else down to RU. I'd prefer them going to BL, I want non-cancer UU back.

>>31303775
Right now, Scizor, Dragonite and Weavile are dominating. I can see Porygon-Z as well but it just dropped.

>>31303844
>>31303847
what replaced them in OU? I've always been a fan of edge weasel and barney dragon the rest not so much

is this due to the usual early gen power creep? or is it tapus? UB's can't be shifting the tiers that much..

>>31303890
Tapus and UBs ARE shifting tiers that much, though. They're incredibly powerful and influential, terrains change the game tremendously.

>>31303890
Mega replaced normal Scizor, and the normal form isn't viable anymore because of things like Tapu Lele and Magnezone everywhere. Weavile is still okay, it's just not being used as much. Dragonite got replaced with Salamence.

>>31296997
>suddenly
Ash Greninja always outclassed protean

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>decent coverage
>stealth rock
>checks char-y well

She's an OU mainstay, no? Not super good, but still holds hew own.

>>31304079
She'll likely drop once people stop playing pre-bank

She's beaten too easily by actual OU mainstays aka Scizor & Scarflele

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could i get some help with my pb team?

im pretty happy with this team so far but i feel like it could use some work

mega pinsir has been the most underperforming mon on the team thus far

also can i get some help with nicknames mine are trash kek

>>31304190
Remove owo from heatran, put onto M-Pinsir

Team fixed, you'll be 1800 in no time

>>31304222
thanks dude i just went from 900 to 1600 after that change

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>>31296259
>Mantine and Pelipper in OU
>Snorlax and Suicune in RU

Oh the times, they are, a changin

>>31304190
-Try out HP Ice on Lando
-Swap Pinsir for Alakazam, Charizard-X or Metagross, remove a steel type if you choose Metagross
-Try out a special wall over Rotom? It's a special meta
-Less steel, you're probably getting trapped a lot

Just a few suggestions, pick and choose.

>>31299474
>Your precocious Skarmory, gratefully accepted!

Only good one in there.

>>31304190
Your team isn't hyper offensive enough to justify running Mega Pinsir without hazard removal.

Either:
-replace Rotom-W with Defog Latios/Tapu Fini
-replace Kartana with Rapid Spin Pheromosa (Scarf Naughty pretty much does the same thing as your Scarf Kartana)
-or use a different mega and rework the team from there

>>31304327
-whats a good HP ice lando set?
-likely going to swap for char-x but if i swap magearna for lele i'll go for zam
-im honestly stumped on special walls for this gen. thoughts on special bulk pivot rotom?
-i havent been getting trapped that much but thats because i keep mage and kart for later on usually, still probably not going to have as much steel revising team

>>31304409
i think tapu fini is an excellent suggestion, thank (You) ill try that out now

>>31304427
Chansey is a cancer as fuck special wall, it tanks literally anything. Also, ignore the Lando suggestion, requires too much investment for what you want, which is bulk. Also, Lele + M-Alakazam is amazing, do that.

>>31304409
Not him, but what're good EVs for Tapu Fini? Can't decide whether it should be physically defensive or specially.

reminder injecting is not cheating

>>31304190
How do you get a clear screenshot of your team like that? Mine won't fit on my screen.

>>31300154
We're reaching DBZ levels of power creep

>>31304505
im gonna roll with this
most people use defensive with 56 speed EVs but im a cheeky fuck who puts 4-8 more evs in speed than recommended sets to outspeed people who also use that set

>>31304559
big monitor, you could just take 2 screenshots and combine them though, would prob look better than my shitty crop

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>>31304637
oh shit forgot image

>>31304505
Going either way is fine but I prefer defensive because it fucks over Garchomp and Zard X harder. Just remember to put 52 EVs in speed to outspeed defensive Lando-T.

>>31301294
Dragonite always gets slept on at the start of every gen

Soon people will remember that his ability is busted and his movepool allows him to do a massive amount of sets

>>31303206
>Lonely
Why gimp defense when you could use Brave?

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>>31304483
i dont like to use chansey outside of stall, but this looks solid.
i kept the other team with fini added also, gonna test both today.

>>31304809
Dude alolan muk completely destroys your biggest threats

>>31303968
They're incomparable. AG is a wallbreaker, Protean is anti-offense and dismantles specific threats with 4 moves

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>>31296732
>I set the rocks then I suck the cocks

>>31304808
Because I SOS'd it after getting my shiny charm and Syncho for Adamant did not click. I'd rather just use this one as is since it's pretty ok (not like it's modest or neutral or something) and I don't want to bother SOS chaining for another one that will probably turn out not as well as this one did.

>>31304858
true but what could i do to fix that? lele+zam will always be weak to amuk

>>31304658
>>31304809
Nitpick but always run Scald on Tapu Fini.
This post >>31301683 should be enough to explain why.
Any burn chance at all > 10 extra BP

>>31304115
This is all postbank already. Nobody cares about prebank.

>>31304936
Muk has a harder time against specs modest lele, taking a moonblast on the switch in and a moonblast when he pursuits will mean he gets 3hkod, so if you want you can just run specs lele and stay in predicting the pursuit and pray he doest jab or gunkshot

>climbing the ladder
>make it to 1400 relatively easily
>7 (seven) loses in a row
>fall down to 1267

I'm using Mega garchomp with this set:

I use it as a hybrid wallbreaker which can tank some hits. It lures scizors and ferrothorns pretty often and OKHOs them with fire blast. Also Draco meteor can destroy physical walls, while he still has edgequake for physical coverage.

It's working kinda okay, but I have been told that mega garchomp is bad and I shouldn't use it.

Could you please tell me something I can use as a bulky hybrid wallbreaker? Thought of Hoopa-U, but he is really squishy in the physical side, so I'm out of ideas. Thanks a lot.

>>31306985
Whoops, failed to copy the set, sorry:
Garchomp-Mega @ Garchompite
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Earthquake
- Draco Meteor
- Fire Blast
- Stone Edge

>>31306704
that's me everytime

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>>31306704
switch it for me in 1500~

I swear to fucking god Ash-Greninja stop missing your fucking Hydro pumps when it matter you fucking chokefrog you did the same against fucking the edgelord

Also same for you Metagross. STOP MISSING METEOR MASH FOR FUCKING SAKE WHY IS YOUR AIM IS SO SHITTY


still love that fucking frog, even if he keeps missing.


>>31306985
Specs lele is a good wallbreaker with Psyshock AND Psychic. Psyshock for blobs.

Hoopa-U is the best mixed Wallbreaker right now
Kyurem-B is option too

>>31296783
tsareena and decidueye are decent tho with their recovery. tsareena also has a lot of utility.

>>31308262
I'm not saying they're terrible, I just think it's funny they all have about 5% usage each. All three are directly competing with one another for a team slot.

I've been playing Gen 7 Random Battle and I'm kinda shit I guess (31 W/26 L)

What can I do to improve? Should I build a team for OU ladder?

If the opponent uses Haze while I'm behind a substitute, do i still lose my stat boosts? Or does the sub block Haze?

>>31301683
thta was seriously such extreme bullshit

>>31306985
you should try sub on it, for example on an expected switch to latios

draco does a good job of handling flyers on its own anyway

>tfw stuck at 1600

Spdef celesteela cucks my team so hard

>>31308419
How is infernape even uu that mon is so bad these days

>>31308352
Yes

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-110739069

>>31308436
>He doesn't know about bulky infernape with slack off

>>31308419

scizor can be something about u-turning back to OU

>>31308465

good speed tier for not OU, stealth Rock, taunt, mixed offenses with boosting for both, great coverage

>>31308419
>Raikou
Where are my brothers !?

what's with the skarmory/mantine thing?

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>>31308456
>that replay
I'm glad BP clause exists

>>31308634
its the new Skarm/Bliss but less effective.

>>31300578
>Fixed the Unovan
You didn't

What's a good set for Mantine? wtf do u even do with this whale

>>31308991
Mantine @ Choice Band
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Tail
- Rock Slide
- Seed Bomb
- Bounce
Just run defog roost haze scald

>>31309111
thanks

>>31305050
>always run Scald on Tapu Fini.

>>31308308
Random battle elo is basically meaningless, it's all chance, especially in gen 7 where all the Pokemon were the same level until like a day ago when other tiers came out. Play a real format if you wanna see if you're good

>>31296732
>Watch me stay here and that cuck not

You're more likely to drop since you can't heal outside of Rest and Giga Drain.

I have two questions regarding Clefable:

A) Does confusion affect MG Clefable at all? I have a hexaperfect MG Cleffa but I don't know if I need to keep breeding for a pentaperfect.

B) Since Softboiled is not currently legal in G7 is Moonlight acceptable?

Pheromosa is incredibly similar to Deoxys Normal Form
Why is Deoxys banned

>>31309739
Think of it as mtg terms. Magic Guard prevents non combat damage and confusion is pretty much combat damage to yourself.

>>31309739
Yes, Always go for low attack iv's on special attackers

Yes.

>>31309801
>>31309784
Well I wasn't sure since shit like status effects don't cause damage but alright. Damn, I don't want to keep breeding these little shits.

>>31309830
the amount of damage you'll deal to yourself is pretty negligible. you can stop whenever you feel.

>>31309783
Better movepool.
Priority.
Hazards for when you force a switch or want to be a suicide lead.

>>31309783
Deoxys doesn't kill himself with his main STAB if it misses.

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http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7pokebankou-514359546

>baton pass/stall teams

>>31309858
This is fucking bad.

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Is flinch build Togekiss fun?

>>31309858

>Thundurus
>Starmie

Damn it, that got me.

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Any recommendations for this ubers team? It's been doing decent so far but I don't have an answer to Yveltal.
Quagsire can go, he counters Kyogre pretty well but doesn't do much else beyond encore shenanigans.
I'm also not sure on the arceus either.

>>31310242
Also, the groudon set was Dragon Tail/Precipice Blades/SR/Stone Edge, the one in the pic was a set I was going to test out.

If anyone wants to see a funny replay that came down to the wire, then I am the guy using sand

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7pokebankou-514369440

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>>31296259
I need two more teammates, and I'm currently considering ditching Kommo-o for something else. The main problem I'm currently thinking is I need something to deal with Mamoswine/hazards, and I need something that's immune to ground as I have quite a weakness as is.

Thoughts?

>>31310420
Rotom, any form really fire water or grass

>>31310420
>I need something to deal with Mamoswine/hazards, and I need something that's immune to ground as I have quite a weakness as is.

Celesteela?

>>31304809
Shadow Ball on lele?

>>31296732
actually, I kek'd hard

>>31310242
You don't have a nature on Zygarde

>>31310708
Whoops, thanks for catching that.

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>>31296259

>>31311134 (You)

>>31311134
>At least I'm safe inside my mind

Great/10 anon just for that

>>31311134
>Decidueye
>Dhelmise
>Magneton
>Empoleon

Kek/10 keep these

Rate my team
Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Spikes
- Protect
- Thunder Wave
- Power Whip

Heatran @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock
- Lava Plume
- Roar

Vaporeon @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Wish
- Protect
- Scald
- Heal Bell

Tyranitar @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Atk / 128 SpD
Brave Nature
- Fire Blast
- Ice Punch
- Stone Edge
- Crunch

Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Dragon Dance
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake

Hoopa-Unbound @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Magician
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dark Pulse
- Psyshock
- Thunderbolt
- Focus Blast

Replay: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7pokebankou-514401641

>>31311134
>Keldeo, Azumarill, Thundy, TornT
>Tapus and UBs changed the game so much, S-rank candidates are now solid UU

>>31309858
>tfw I want to make one for RU but it's too much work

>Want to try Pokemon Showdown for practice in team building since I haven't played competitive since D/P
>I know I'll make a complete fucking fool of myself and end up in the showderp or whatever threads
help

>>31310242
Question: Why the fuck does Quagsire seem to have such a weird presence on teams? I see it in basically every tier ever.

>>31311922
Stall. It literally accomplishes everything it needs to with just Scald/Earthquake/Recover/Toxic

>>31311922
>decent bulk and resistances to some threats in every tier
>Unware and Recovery

It can do some other random too like Curse, Haze, Toxic or Water Absorb to cuck Kyogre in Ubers

>>31312041
It's just strange to me. It's stats aren't all that impressive so I guess I'd just have to see it in person. Then again I was pleasantly surprised when I slapped a Qwilfish on my team, so maybe not so crazy after all.

Can someone explain to me why Necrozma is bad? I thought the ability helped it's awful typing a bit?

Should a bold Toxipex be EV'd in defence and HP or S.Defence and HP?

Im running Recover, Scald, Haze and Toxic

>>31311911
Just throw together 6 OU pokemon that you like to start with. If you're barely starting you'll only play against other new player or people that suck.