Is their analysis correct, /vp/?

nothing wrong with learning to live with your losses

that guy was in fucking tears every time he got his ass kicked, but now he takes that shit like a man

Sinnoh taught kids it's ok to cheat

>>31287430
This is so opposite Glorious American Dream...

Faggots.

>>31287465
Smogon tiers don't define Pokemon, anon

>>31287430
He's still placing everywhere he goes, which is a lot more realistic of a goal anyway. He's not a bad trainer in the sense you wouldn't say top 8 is full of bad players. He just isn't the very best.

It's exclusively amourshipping neckbeards that cry about Ash losing so yes

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>>31287491
>one trainer sweeps the entire league bar ash's B team with a single Pokémon
>there shouldn't be tiers

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>>31287430
What the fuck did you just say, faggot? It's NEVER okay to lose, you fucking loser.

>>31287430

If it taught you how to be a winner it would be okay. However, all it teaches you is how to be a loser, and how Ash's lifestyle of helping people when you should be training amounts to you abandoning your friends and never amounting to anything.

He's a shitty role-model.

>>31287491
Didn't say anything about Smogon
Darkrai is banned from everything official

>>31287430
BURASTO____________________________________

>>31287533
Darkrai is a Pokemon so it's still fair game

It's one thing two lose a few here and there but 6 times in a row is just sad.

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>>31287430

>>31287533
The only thing official in the Pokemon world competitions is whether its a Pokemon or not. Maybe some type exclusives like the Whirl Cup, but no such restrictions exist in the anime.

>>31287577
It was refreshing to see a different Pokemon for once other than Pikachu. I don't know why they don't do this for every region.

Pikachu is pretty much confirmed to be Ash's main Pokemon in Alola because of the electric z-crystal.

>>31287430
>this season ash/satoshi goes to school
>he wins this season
>moral of the story is stay in school kids

>>31287465
more like it's ok to inject

>>31287577

> Instead of using his experienced and now championship-veteran Pokemon he abandons them after losing each one.

Great role-model. Seriously intelligent.

>>31287430
Honestly, kids need to learn this these days, and fast.
There are huge psychological problems caused if kids don't learn how to deal with losing and failure before they grow up.

>>31287618
>uses Pikachu, Charizard, Sceptile, Infernape, Greninja and Krookodile
>still loses

How butthurt would people be?

>>31287605
Did you even watch the match? Pikachu put in serious work, and solo'd a Tyranittar and Metagross by himself.

>>31287635
Meant this for >>31287618

>>31287644

You've presented no rebuttals. Dunno what you attempted to achieve with that post.

I don't even think Ash really wants to be the very best. I think he just wants to explore the world and fuck around. If he really wanted to become a champ he'd take it more seriously.

>>31287774
That, or, the people in control of the franchise want Ash to lose every Pokemon League so there is an incentive for him to travel to the next region for money

>>31287430
and then X and Y happened and it all went to shit.

>>31288047

Yes, that's the real reason, but not the canon reason.

>>31287430
first of all, it would be kinda crazy to expect a 10 year old to win a fucking league just like that.

there is a reason why he loses and that is being too young to be a pokemon expert with years of training behind him.

of course he lost. I'd be weirded out if Ash was a 10 year old pokemon trainer genius.

>>31287628
Massive, yet beautiful.

>>31287430
A WANNABE, THE VERY BEST
LIKE NO ONE EVER WAS.

>>31287618
That's why the Sinnoh league is still the best league arc, he used old mons in conjunction with his current ones.

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>>31287518
>sceptile
>pikachu
>B team
though tbf bringing torkoal was asking for a loss, legends or not

>>31289099
That Sceptile has no ass.

>Sceptile
>Charizard
>Greninja
>Pikachu

Who else? I can't imagine any pokemon from Alola being strong seriously, I think of a single of them that's so strong it's worth putting on his team. I'd like them to give him an ultra beast but the only ones I can with any marketability would be Nhililego and Pheromsa

>>31289183

Problem is he hasn't been training them or trying to get them to work together as a team. They're not as developed as they would be had they stayed with him like Pikachu.

>>31289183

Xurkitree flailing and swaying all over the place like an idiot all the time would be excellent comedy relief.

Not exactly.
It would be if that was the main message from the series. Yet the reason of why Ash does not win is because they have excuse in order to move ash from one region to another.
Thats not a secret, the series creator said so.
So no, his analysis is not correct.

>>31289183
Add Krookodile and Infernape, or Glalie if you don't want two Fire types.

>>31289288
Ash will win a league once the anime is coming to a close.

>>31288648
>applying canon to everything
autism was a mistake

>never evolves that fucking Pikachu

No wonder he can't manage to win, he's a shitty trainer.

>>31289333

>God made no mistakes

>>31289352
The Pikachu will just reject the thunderstone anyway. Might as well use a different pokemon.

>>31289449
Because Ash is a beta faggot. The mouse doesn't want the thunderstone? Well, shove it up in its arse.

>>31287430
It's okay to lose but really, the universe is just shitting on him now.

>>31289352
>that pikachu who fucking drew with a Latios
>and recently annihilated an Aegislash, Tyranitar and a Metagross
>and has also lost hilariously to a starter Snivy

>>31289576
>and has also lost hilariously to a starter Snivy
Well that was Zekrom's fault. Don't forget Pikachu fucking raped Regice too

>>31289576
>>31289629
Plus, Pikachu did got his revenge when the Snivy evolved to a Serperior in the league.

>>31287430
And why is that bad again?

>>31287635
Does it matter when the Bisharp hits 3 Guillotines regardless? Goodra was undefeated until that fucking Bisharp

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Loser for life.

>>31289816
>we will never have a Jon Dickson again
Feels bad

>>31287430
Losing is OK. You don't always win in life.
However, 20 years of losing is anything but OK.

>>31287430
It isn't, it assumes a bigger planning on the show that it's not there. The show has lasted for 20 years, many kids have started watching it and left it(without ever seeing Ash ending his journey and probably some without even seeing Ash winning a pity award like OI or BF), it's based on a rotating audience, not a fixed one(if you haven't learned you wont always get your way in 20 years then there's something wrong with you). Having a rotating audience is also the basis for sone of ashfags's main "arguments". Of course, they aren't exactly the kind of people that cares about consistency so there's that.

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>>31289816
>Gary (Top 32)
Is Gary the worst ever trainer in the anime?

>>31287495
>le realism card
we already discussed this.

>>31289333
It makes sense to apply here though. Trying to justify the show being shit on executives is beyond retarded and something that would be laughed at on a fanbase that isn't pokemon.

>>31289816
>that generic name
>that generic design
based Jon Dickson

>>31289884
Lost to a minor, female trainer named Melissa, that owns a Golem that can use Seismic Toss.

>>31289826
>>31289931
>Jon Dickson
>DICKS was actually anime canon
it all makes sense

>>31287430
sure, who cares?

>>31290018
>Ritchie
>probably short for Richard
>Which also shortens to Dick
>DICKS

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>>31287430
It's incorrect.

It may be true of the Pokemon games, sure. Most NPCs that aren't antagonists take losing in battle pretty well. Even real-life people you play against can lose graciously. But in the anime, it's deliberate complacency to keep Ash from growing beyond the capabilities of the target audience. Ash is not permitted to learn and grow, and in the end, that's an even more harmful message.
You can work really hard, put lots of blood, sweat and tears into the thing you're doing, and still not come out on top. That's normal. As long as you note your mistakes and missteps and work to grow from them, you're on the right track. But Ash starts off every series as dumb and as naive as he was in season 1 episode 2.
It's the exact same reason why he keeps releasing or boxing his most powerful Pokemon: to keep him complacent and have him weak at the start of the new series. Imagine if he had brought Charizard to the first Totem fight. Or Greninja. Or even his fucking Butterfree. Nope, they're gone or boxed, so he has to rely on Pikachu and the merch-friendly bag owl.
(Also, on a side note, he never catches enough to have a fleshed-out team like an actual player would. Did any of you seriously go into fighting the first Totem with just two fuckers in your party?)
Basically instead of the message "It's okay to lose sometimes, and you can learn and grow from your mistakes", Ash gives the message "If you lose, you drop all your shit, go to a foreign land, and start from scratch, because that's better than trying again". And I feel it's bullshit, because you CAN have a character grow and mature and still have him be relatable to the audience.
Hell, maybe they'll come up with some BS excuse for it at last. There are different Ashes from different universes and the others are growing up but we don't get to see it. Or something.

All they had to do was to have the protagonists NOT be Ash.
Hell, have them all run into a Pikachu that doesn't like being in its ball and wink and nod that it might be the same one every time or some shit, but have different protagonists than Ash each and every single damn time and it solves fucking everything.
But NOOOOO, gotta have the same damn kid, who never ages (and I'm fairly certain that at this point there's been at LEAST 365 visible day/night changes, not just narration)

Absolutely crazy pants idea...

Ash wins a league. Rather than getting to bask in the glory, he is informed of a new region by a mentor like Oak, or the regional champ, or whomever. Being Ash, he eagerly runs off to go explore a new area and face new challenges.

To provide further incentive, Ash meets up with an Interpol detective (Looker, or an expy), who has been keeping an eye on him for quite a while. After seeing his efforts to thwart various criminal groups, the Interpol agent wants Ash to help investigate suspicious activities in the new region.

To remain incognito, the duo meet up with rookie trainers in the new region and serve as mentors as the new trainer(s) start off on their journey. Ash also chooses to start a new team to further the disguise, though might need to call on old mons from time to time if needed.

Ash wins a league, has several motivations to explore the new region, has a credible reason to be aware of and get involved in the affairs of the new evil team, and an excuse to travel with a new gang.

>>31294082
If they have allow Ash to keep his older pokemom, he'll be steaming through the battles and one-shotting leagues.
>>31295585
So what if he doesn't age?

>>31287430
It teaches kids to have fun with the journey and friends.

Besides, it's not like Ash's work isn't rewarded. Fucker won 2nd place in Kalos. It's just that his rival was a crazy guy who worked 24/7 battling everything including champions, elite 4s and legends except he was unhappy. He only became happy after he made friends like Ash. In both cases, hard work was rewarded.

exactly what's wrong with society today
weakness disgusts me

The message of "it's okay to lose" isn't the problem, it's that they want to have that message and also decided to use the same fucking character for 20 years.

If it was a different kid each gen then you could teach that lesson each time and it would feel appropriate. As is it just makes their lead look pathetic.

>>31287628
shoulda used glalie

>>31289816
>every other region has a female champ
>women scrub out of every league say for one 2nd place in Indigo
What did they mean by this? Are the champions frauds?

>>31287488
Why are you shitposting here instead of trying to fullfill said dream?

>>31289816
>16
>8
>8
>4
>8
>2
maybe he'll win in 4-5 regions

>>31289816
>10 years old
>somehow hike across 6 regions and challenged 6 championships in less than a year, getting slightly better each time (sans one hiccup)
that's actually impressive from an in-universe perspective desu, though its not going to make the show any less shitty to watch

>>31287453
>but now he takes that shit like a man
No he doesn't, he's just dead inside

>>31287628
Ash could literally have Palkia, Dialga, Deoxys, Genesect, Volcanion, Mewtwo, and he would still lose in the final match even if it was just a youngster with 6 shitmons. Because rather than giving a new MC a try for a different reason, they have to let this loser keep losing every single league.

>>31287430
They're not really teaching "kids" because the majority of the people who watched enough of the show to see all of these losses is a sad person approaching 30, and given the reaction to his loss in XYZ, they clearly don't want to accept that lesson because it reminds them too much of their real life existence.

>>31287465
ayyyyyyy

>>31287430
Fuck, I still hate the way Ash was defeated in Sinnoh League to Trollbias.
But yeah, the analysis is wrong. We should teach ambition to our children or else they might become a bunch of shitbags.

>>31300561
Or when the anime ends.
>>31300513
>Iris, a champ in Unova in the anime
What?
>>31300616
Still sucks for many people.

>>31289576
>and has also lost hilariously to a starter Snivy
That loss was due to Ash being taken off guard by Pikachu being unable to use electric attacks and Trip not caring.

>>31300960
Ash's pikachu has Iron Tail and/or Quick attack, there is no excuse for losing

>>31287465
You mean Kalos, with Alain's Cheatzard X and BURASTO BAHN

>>31301272
Didn't Trip asked to see Pikachu's electric capabilities. Using Quick Attack and Iron Tail would have been denying the sole reason Trip wanted to battle

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>>31302699
>he's actually trying to find a reason to justify Pikachu losing to a Freshly-acquired Snivy used by a Freshly-turned Trainer after Double KOing with a Latios

>>31289816
How can Ash not win a league where Tierno is Top 8? goddammit Ash

Whats next? Top 16 in Alola?

>>31304162
That, or being Top 8 or 4 again.
Ash needs to quit his dream so we can have a new character.