Fairy type hate thread

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No

Nerf "OP" type by making OP type

when will the tears of dragonfags stop flowing?

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>create new type
>it's not light or sound
>it's fucking FAIRY TYPE

>they aren't even related to fairies, mythology, or fantastic stuff
>they're just PINK AND CUTE XD

DELETE THIS GAMEFREAK REEEEEE

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Naaaah, if anything, fuck Dragons for making the need to have Fairies to begin with. Your 'click Outrage to win' strats are what brought this.

>>31264601
Fighting and Dark-types were more affected thab Dragons. Dragon-type was never really that OP, it just happen to have a lot of high BST monsters. That said Fairy is stupidly OP. Could do with an extra weakness, or a least drop the Bug resist.

>>31264628
They got better in Gen 7

i think the thing i hate about fairies is how limited their attacking movepool is

>is it physical? play rough
>is it special? moonblast
>cant learn play rough or moonblast? then its not viable

they literally only exist as a defensive switch-in

Still mad over fairies. Truly an iconic type

>>31264670

I think the thing i hate most about ground types is how limited their attacking movepool is

>is it physical? earthquake
>is it special? earth power
>cant learn earthquake or earth power? then its not viable

they literally only exist as a defensive switch-in

>>31264655
>Fighting and Dark-types were more affected than Dragons
I won't deny that but they definitely are the ones complaining the most

>>31264670
that's a problem for a few types,strongest special rock move is still power gem at a whopping 80 with no effect and I really don't have to remind you of the sorry state of physical electric types

O i am laffin at dragonfags

Also, >>31264628 takes the prize for maximus autismus

>>31264628
>>They aren't even related to Fairies
If you actually looked, you'd see that the majority of them are inspired by Fairies.

>>31264628
>wanting light or sound type than fairy type
Light is associated with fairy types
>Implying that fairy types should be associated with typical, fantasy or mythology-based fairies
Have you seen any creepy fairies before or that is just the reason (including the pink and cute stuff) why you rant about Fairy type introduced by Gamefreak?

>>31264680
If a ground type can't learn fucking earthquake, I don't know what happened.

>>31264535
Only thing I dislike about Fairy is they need one or two more offensive resists.

What is the fucking point of making a type to counter Dragons when the new type is offensively as overpowered for the same reasons? A lack of offensive resists, poison, fire and steel all share the same fucking weakness and neutralalities.

>>31264788
i'd be fine with ice getting it. psychic would be an okay choice too

Despite it's flaws I do really like how this type made Poison so much better along with offensive Steel and defensive Fire. It was very unnecessary to make Fairy resist Bug though.

>>31264703
I really hope Volt Tackle isn't the reason they won't make a good physical Electric move.

My only complaint is that Light would've been a better fit.

>>31264902
>they won't make a good physical Electric move.
they did, it's called Zing Zap.

>>31264913
No it wouldn't.

>icefag that's still mad that fairy took away ice's greatest niche
Fuck fairy.

>>31264924
...Which only Togedemaru can use.
Why should pikaclones get a monopoly on physical Electric? Nuzzle is another offender, although I'm fine with that not being too widespread.

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>>31264535
Stop your complaining and learn to carry some Steel or Poison moves in your team.

If GF decided to make more fast offensive ice types than Froslass and Weavile maybe we wouldn't have needed Big Pink Nuke. Imagine if STAB Ice Beam/Blizzard was flying around the meta, dragons would be reasonable.

Also Fairy's relationship to Bug type pisses me off royally. They nerf the type that was originally supposed to be the Ultimate Type, but rather than give the absolute weakest type a buff they jut shit on it more. I think Faries should be weak to bug, because 1) Bug needs a buff like nobody's fucking businesss, and 2) It warms my cockles to think of moefucks like Clefable and Sylveon getting slowly devoured alive by segmented insect mandibles.

>>31265241
Oh yeah, because a speed creep fixes the meta, right?

stay mad, dragonfag

>>31264628
Because Alolan Exeggutor is totally a dragon

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>>31265241
>It warms my cockles to think of moefucks like Clefable and Sylveon getting slowly devoured alive by segmented insect mandibles.

>>31264535
>ITT: Autists who think Disney invented the concept of fairies
Kek. Read up on fae folklore sometime, dumbass.

>>31264628
>they aren't even related to fairies, mythology, or fantastic stuff
>What is Mawile
>What is Xerneas
>What is Klefki
>What is Primarina

>>31264644
Because lowering Outrage's and Draco's BP was such an unthinkable balance option. Better make another type and shit on the whole game.

>>31265332
Bet that was your line of thinking when Dark types were added to help nerf psychic types

>>31265001
>learn to carry some Steel
Because we didn't have to do that already

>Introduce a new typing to counter Dragons
>Give the most meta OP Dragons moves like Poison Jab and Iron Head so they have coverage against Fairies
>Said dragons continue to be OP and meta

So Bugs, Dark, Fighting type was completely ruined because Fairies make their existence meaningless, Steel was buffed even further and, as usual, nobody picks Poison types because you can just use Steel types or run Poison coverage.

Oh and defensive Ice types are still shit, whilst Fairies get an ENTIRE IMMUNITY before Ice even gets one extra resistance besides itself.

All this for a typing that gets Stab 95 BP moves with a 30% proc rate on an additional effect.

Steel buffed, Ice nerfed, poison nerfed.

What the actual fuck was Gamefreak thinking?

>>31264948
Most ice mons didn't even see much use though, but rather more reliable types(like water) that could learn ice moves.

Ice was fucked over from the start

>>31265359
>>31265371
>>31265256

I feel like the person who decided what ice types weaknesses and resistances were and the people who design ice type pokemon were on two completely different lines of thought.

"Hm, Ice... well, freezing damages a lot of stuff, it can kill most anything alive. But things like icicles and the frozen layer of ice over a lake break easily. So we'll make Ice a super offensive type, lots of super effectives and... let's do no weaknesses."

"Ice... like glaciers right? Slow, tanky, hard to kill... Alright, I know how we're going to be designing them for the next twenty years!"

And then they decided to give every water type short of Feebass and Magikarp access to ice beam and two weaknesses, one of which is basically never used.

>>31265429
Fuck, I meant "no resistances"

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>>31264628

>>31265449
>I've been screen capping all of these threads and posts where people claimed that the fairy type was a totally real thing so that when you're all proven wrong we can make fun of you
kek

>>31265429
The only Ice types in Gen I were either Water/Ice, Ice/Psychic or Ice/Flying with no monotypes. I think if they designed it with monotypes in mind it would have at least gotten a Water resist, among others. They should have fixed Ice a long time ago, but GF has been extremely reluctant to shake up the type effectiveness.

The Dragon type might have been OP for the same reason, since the Dragonite line was the only one with the type until Gen III.

>>31264655
>Dragon-type was never really that OP, it just happen to have a lot of high BST monsters
High BST monsters casually throwing around hugely powerful attacks that were resisted by only one type, mind.

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WHY DOES IT RESIST BUG, FOR WHAT PURPOSE

I hate fag types. Sound could of been better.

>>31264628
>posting a mon with 4x weakness to fairies
kek

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>>31265241
>It warms my cockles to think of moefucks like Clefable and Sylveon getting slowly devoured alive by segmented insect mandibles.

>>31265543
sound is the dumbest type idea

>>31265542

Because muh """"""""lore"""""""".

>>31265495
People do this with everything that's blatantly obvious and people are being denial fags
>Wottergate
>Starter Leaks

>>31265567
In which lore does a fairy curbstomps a bug, WHERE

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>>31265429
This rings so true it fucking hurts.

>>31265528
The original Pokemon game was designed to be an RPG, not "a Pokemon gae". No one knew people would be playing competitively, its why Mewtwo is a league above anything else and why Dragon and Ghost have only one line. Dragonite is supposed to be the Ultimate Sword of Finality in the JRPG metaphor, thats why Dragon is so OP. Notice it resists every starter type- GF anticipates you using your starter as your primary offense and tries to cripple that. In Gen 1 every type served a sort of purpose in singleplayer, and Gen 2 generally tried to continue the trend. Only in Gen 3 did this idea of types being balanced and whatnot really exist.

>>31265542
well just exactly what could a bug do to something with powerful magic?

>>31265598

No, I agree with you. It's BS. That's why I surrounded lore with bunch of quotation marks.

>>31265614
>Dragonite is supposed to be the Ultimate Sword of Finality in the JRPG metaphor, thats why Dragon is so OP
Dragon was shit in Gen 1

>>31265621
I know, but I still wanna see some evidence of it so game freak can at least try to explain themselves

>>31265638
The typing wasn't just the moves where, and that's why dragonite got access to boltbeam and a bunch of other elemtal shit

>>31265638
Key word is "supposed to".

>>31264644
>He didn't actually play Gen 5

>>31265614
Dark was created specifically to nerf the ridiculously overpowered Psychic type though, which was a first step to trying to balance the game. What they should have done was to do more rebalancing in Gen III, but now they probably feel it's too late to rebalance Ice types. Who knows though, they did actually give a well-deserved nerf to Steel by removing it's Dark resistance.

>>31265621
>Fairies are weak to poison
>Bugs are poisonous and carry around diseases
Also don't delve too deep, then we'll get shit like the dark and psychic weakness taken away

I wish fairies were more like Granbull and less like fucking Tinkerbell gay shit

>>31265618
>powerful magic
Could be more generic?

What "powerful magic" a Granbull has? It's just a fucking dog.

>>31265348
But Dark isn't and never was as centralizing as Fairy.

>>31265698
dog magic

>>31265684
Reminder that it was gen 2 that killed ice types.

Ice was a legit good type in gen 1, both casual and competitive.

>>31265348
Reminder that the only OP thing about psychic-types was the 30% special drop on Psychic.

With the special stats split, and the nerf to Psychic (10% chance instead of 30%), Psychic was already balanced. But no, let's go further. Let's add two more types to resist psychic.

And here we are, talking about making Psychic SE on fairies.

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>>31265733

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>>31264535
I hope Fairies will getting a buff :)
Fairies are my darlings, fairies are the best and they fuck dragons

>>31265564
Noivern, Exploud and Altaria are AMAZING examples of how this type could work well.
I highly disagree is dumber than fairy, furthermore the current realization we have of the fairy type.

>>31265763
Honestly knowing gamefreak they probably will

>>31265753
Psychic also had no weakness as the one line that was super effective against it was also weak to it and outsped by the best psychic mons

>>31265787
What are you talking about in gen 1 ghost didn't affect psychic, only bug was super effective against it

>>31265773
Sound is basically being used as normal type's special moves. Boomburst, Hyper Voice, Relic Song, Round, Snore, Uproar.... If they took away all of normal's sound attacks we'd basically be left with Swift and Hyper Beam.

Although, the idea of Pixilate pokemon losing Hyper Voice is pretty grand...

>>31265773
3 pokemon wow. I bet you got some weakness resistances and stuff that totally make sense too.

>>31265826
Gen I didn't have many mons to be retconned to Dark or Steel and in reality, only magnemite received this treatment, but it didn't mean Dark or Steel were bad ideas.

>>31265787
Uh... k?

That's pretty irrelevant. You don't need to have weakness to be balanced, stats, movepool, and avaliable pokemon all matters. Just look at gen 1 ice, only ice (themselves) and water resisted them, while having a better offensive utility than psychic (lol freeze). Now look at my face and say that ice types were broken when the only good abuser literally only had Blizzard (Articuno) while the rest had low stats.

In the case of fairies, they would be a balanced defensive type if not for crap like >>31265763 pic related, even though they only have two weakness.

>>31265818
Yes, Beedrill is weak to Psychic.

>>31265872
And butterfree?

But the point was it's only weakness was gen 1 bugs who were essentially non existent

>>31265880
no bug moves

>>31264769
>Nincada

A pity, since Earthquake Ninjask would be pretty cool

>>31265819
Sound is best left as a property to moves than as a specific type.

>>31265880
Beedrill was the only pokemon to actually learn a bug type move (Twinneedle) in generation 1. Butterfree just learns psychic and flying moves, Scyther and Pinsir just learn normal type moves. There was literally one pokemon that can learn one move that's super effective against psychic types, and it's a pokemon you're supposed to throw away after the third gym thats weak to psychic.

>>31265852
it would take away nearly all normal special moves,and then you would have to decide what to do with all the other typed sound moves like bugg buzz and snarl. 3 pokemon from 7 gens is absolutely abysmal in trying to justify a new type too when fairy got so much more

>>31265923
>He never used Pin Missle Jolteon

Worst type

>>31265940
>only useful for Exeggutor

>>31265923
>There was literally one pokemon that can learn one move that's super effective against psychic types

>all that matters is weakness and resistances
>on a gen where the only good pure psychic type was Alakazam

Topu keko. I bet you didn't use Thunderbolt on Lorelei's Slowbro and thought that it was OP.

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>>31264535
>cancerous typing
>almost every pokemon associated with the type is pink
>no lore behind it
>was used to balance the meta but made it even more unbalanced because it had too good defenses

>>31266106
Mewtwo?

>>31266132
>muh lore
Go ahead and tell us the "lore" behind any other type.

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>Hate Thread

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>>31266069
You are a fatass
Fairies are the best you dragonfag

>>31264913
>>31264628
>unironically wanting a light type
You retards know there's no actual Dark type, right?

>>31266454
night daze

>>31266478
is this a jojo reference

>>31266454
Yeah, it's literally called evil type in japan.
So, might as well make a literally good type, call it light in america. So hard to understand that.
I'm not for light, but think about that for a second.

>>31266500
>might as well make a literally good type
Fighting

>>31266500

Fairies can be both good and evil.

>>31266500
>So, might as well make a literally good type
Like fighting?

>>31266478
signal beam

>>31266543
Fighting isn't a "Good" type though. They just slap shit, that's why we already have Dark/Fighting types being hoodlums.

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>>31264535
>hating your own type.

Oh OP.

>>31266606
Fighting and Bug are both SE on Dark because they're seen as "Good/Hero" types.

>>31266606
Dark types also usually slap shit, yet if you compare their moves to fighting moves, you can see the difference in the terms of "honourability"

>>31266606
Dark-type is for trickery, foul play, and dirty fighting. Fighting-type is fighting honorably and traditional training/skill. Those hoodlums you mentioned (Scrafty line, I guess?) are simply capable of doing both. Even then, Fighting and Dark may not have been intended to be total opposites anyway. The original intent, if there ever was one, is probably one of those things that's hard to translate from Japanese.

Fairy typing is way too strong

It buffed Clefable from RU mediocre to S class OU after mega power creep

It buffed gardevoir from NU(?) in gen 5 to let the non mega version being capable in UU

Slyveon was the highest tiered Eeveelution for most of Gen 6 meta

Helped Sky Rocket Altaria's mega

Mega Mawile

Granbull

Azumarill didn't need to rely on return anymore and got a good place in high OU

And look at these fucking tapus

They're also so strong by being weak to the types that have almost no coverage move available to other types asides from Poison Jab

>>31265853
This. Psychic would've been fine if they had just changed some mechanics.

Split the Special stat into two.

Make better Bug types that aren't also part Poison.

Disconnect the critical hit ratio from Speed.

Nerf the Special drop on Psychic.

Anything else?

Even though I like Steel and Dark they didn't really need to exist for Psychic to be balanced.

Also, back in Gen 1 Ghost types only weakness was Ghost, correct? I'm guessing that's why they made Psychic types immune to Ghost type moves. As added measure to make sure they wouldn't become overboard.

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Fairy is way too safe. Steel and poison coverage moves are weak, compared to the likes of Earthquake, Stone Edge, Fire Blast, etc.

Steel is a great defensive type, yes, but it gets hit hard by Fire Blast and Earthquake.

While fairy will eat what? An Iron Head? Poison Jab? For less power than a 120BP STAB move LOL

>>31265241
>Bug needs a buff like nobody's fucking businesss

Game Freak is fixing Bug in a different way.

>>31266706
I always though of it like this:

>Stealth does jack shit when someone has you by the neck and is actively strangling you and punching you in the face, hence, Fighting +> Dark
>Fly buzzes up to a dark wizard's ear, annoying him and causing him to break his focus on the dark magic he was casting, hence Bug +> Dark

>>31265359
Steel was buffed but it was also nerfed. Game Freak was trying to give more defensive types like Poison and Steel some kind of offensive presence.

>>31265359
>nobody picks Poison types because you can just use Steel types or run Poison coverage.

Nobody picks Poison because a lot of them suck, the distribution of Earthquake doesn't help much either. Poison is a type meant to be played defensively, whittling the opponent down with the Poison status condition.

Game Freak needs to start making better Ice and Poison Pokemon.

>>31267103
I think being weak to Steel is kinda bad, if only because Iron Head flinches are fucking annoying and being weak to it means they only need one to fuck you up. But then again, they made a lot of the new fairies neutral to Steel so you pretty much have to use Poison even though it's even worse offensively.

>>31267101
>Also, back in Gen 1 Ghost types only weakness was Ghost, correct? I'm guessing that's why they made Psychic types immune to Ghost type moves. As added measure to make sure they wouldn't become overboard.

Supplemental material, as well as the anime, all suggest that Ghost was always meant to be super effective against psychic. en1 was notoriously buggy.

>>31266606

That says more about Dark-type than Fighting.

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>>31265268
>what are dragon trees?

>>31265598
>Fairies are girly
>Girls don't like bugs
Why isn't fairy weak to bug?

>Turned RU shitmon into an S tier OU mon in gen 6.
>Ruined bug types even further
Fuck this type.

>>31267488
Well shit. Is it also possible that some bug types weren't meant to be Poison as well?

>>31265564
NO ITS A SOUND IDEA GET IT

>fairy is an OP type
>should have had sound/light type instead
>[edgy pic of dark mon killing fairies]
>there's not lore behind fairies
Holy shit this thread has all the autism.

>>31267814
>Fairies are girly
Have you heard of a thing called Grimms' Fairy Tales? Dullahans? Banshees? Disney didn't invent fairies you illiterate autist.

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>>31264535

>Have perfect setup for Cosmic/Astral since Gen I
>Expand on the idea every Gen after
>Go with fairy in X/Y despite having the perfect gym for the concept

Thanks GF.

>>31269061
Yeah Celtic fairies are badass. But witht he exception of Xerneas none of the Fairy Types are like that.

>>31267194

I rather thought of it as Bugs not being afraid of the Dark, being that several are nocturnal and shit.

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>>31268056

Who knew dragons were made of 90% salt.
I don't remember anyone getting as mad at Dark types existing as they did when Fairy came out.

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>>31264628
>>31265695
>t-too girly muh masculinity
kys

>>31269471
>Fairy hate thread
>90% of posts are by fighting/bug/darkfags
>Dragonfags don't give a shit since stuff like Garchomp, CharX, Mence and Dragonite are still extremely viable and they have enough coverage to fuck fairies upside down.
>Fairyfags still act like Dragonfags care about their gay type.

>>31269661
>Fighting/Bug
>Being anywhere near actual competitions
>Dark
>Literally only ever used to block Alakazam and pretend that Sableye/Spiritomb are viable Pokémon

Don't understand what they have to be mad about. A decent ice/grass/water move pool can deal with the mons listed.

>>31269919
t. sub 1100 elo

>>31264628
Kek, stay mad, cuck. Dragon, Fighting, and Dark had it good for far too long.

>>31264535
>Dark type is poorly defined
>Steel type is stupidly OP
>Fairy type is both

New types were a mistake

>>31264703
Dark types are borderline broken without fairy after steel lost its resistance to it.

Dark types are in a good spot with one of the least resisted offensive moves in the game while being able to stop a certain cute fairy from spamming Psychic.

Fairies are OP
I love my fairies

fug fairies

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>>31264628
>wanting a light or sound type

>>31264628
I never really understood the inclusion of fairy type besides being a niche type to put an extra counter on dark, fighting, and dragon types. It feels more like a "secondary" typing, like dragon or flying or ground, than it does as a "primary" typing, like an elemental type would. I was okay with dragon cause "dragon" attacks make enough sense and there's plenty of existing dragon Pokemon to work with, but fairy was kinda like "Wait, really? Okay, I guess so...". I guess "fairy" attacks could be thought of as a mythical magic sort of attack, which would explain their advantage over dragons and darkness.
S/M definitely helped to expand the niche typing, but it still feels like a less important type compared to others, which is why I called it a "secondary" typing. Still, 18 is a good number for types for 800+ Pokemon, I don't think we need any more to work with.

>>31264628
>pokémon is dark/fighting
>has nothing to do with dragon dance, but it can learn it anyway
:^)