Why are we never gonna have a post game region again?

>Empty
>Shit level curve
>No story

As good as HGSS was not even they fixed that lifeless mess that revisting Kanto was

>>31251182

Because it's better to have one good region than two shit ones.

>>31251297
>Empty
>Shit level curve
These aren't inherent faults of a second region, just Game Freak being stupid. It can be done right.

>No story
That's not a flaw.

>>31251297
Just go play XY then you retard.

>>31251182
Because Gamefreak doesn't put effort into things nowadays.

>>31251336
>Just go play XY

Damn, XY post game was awful. If you can call it post game content.

>>31251326

It is, Kanto in Gen 2 is just a glorified boss rush. There's nothing else to do there, it's just a boss rush with a bunch of empty space between each boss.

>>31251358

Shoving a barren lifeless Kanto into Gen 2 instead of improving Johto is not "effort".

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>>31251182
>a post game region again?
>You'll never travel into Kanto with Lillie.

>>31251369
Good. Pokémon should be open-ended and free of a restrictive narrative. Kanto in Gen 2 is far from ideal, but it's still better than the railroad that is Alola.

>>31251388
That's why HGSS exists even if it failed to address the obvious level curve issue. But then you can just rely on hacks.

Kanto in Gen 2 is just an illusion to make the game seem bigger than it actually is. There's no real "content" or anything to do there, it's just a bunch of empty space.

>>31251426

Kanto is still empty in HGSS.

>>31251433
It had trainers and gym leaders at least.

>>31251459
How is it empty?

>>31251182
When it doesn't become a retarded idea.
Why add a second region when you can just have that much exploration in one game without hindering the main game?

>>31251469

There's fuck-all to do in it but fight the Kanto Gym Leaders and catch legendaries.

The levels your team is at when you first challenge the league is comparable to the levels your team is at half way through in other games.
Kanto is not the post-game, the Elite Four was only slapped in half way through the plot of the game. The post-game is just Mt. Silver.

>>31251469
Because there's nothing to do outside of fuck around in Kanto.

>>31251503
>>31251520
>it's empty because I don't think X counts as content

>>31251518
>The levels your team is at when you first challenge the league is comparable to the levels your team is at half way through in other games
Which is bad when everything else is around the end game level. There's a reason why people call the scaling bad.

Also any way you look at it Kanto was the postgame simply because your story ends there.

>>31251548
Using that logic ORAS has more content than every game but BW2.
But you're not going to want to accept that either are you?

>>31251182
GF can't even make a region that's not an empty wasteland again so it's probably for the best

>>31251390
>You'll never travel into Kanto with Lillie.
Thank god

>>31251587

Kanto and Johto are the epitome of "empty wastelands" though

>>31251579
What the fuck counts as viable content then? Battle facilities only? Because that's fucking stupid, not everyone wants to watch the AI cheat its way to victory.

>>31251579
BW2 has a lot of content?

>>31251604
>reading comprehension

>>31251567
>game's difficult
>muh level scale

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>>31251591
DELETE THIS

>>31251636
>implying tedium is difficulty
Can you Johto dealers actually come up with an argument that works?
Hell Kanto wasn't even intended to be in the game until they fixed everything up which is why victory road isn't the same.

>>31251619

BW2 has more content than HGSS.

PWT alone puts BW2 far above any other Pokemon game in terms of content.

>>31251714
Just so you know most people think the PWT was just glorified legacy battleso so you might have to tell them what was there.

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>>31251182
No Iwata, no party.

>>31251729
This. What does PWT offer beyond glorified legacy battles that I can't get anywhere else in the series?

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What's the best Crystal or HGSS Romhack?

>>31251839
Type specialist battles
Mix matches where you swap pokemon
There's also Rentals but they made an appearance in the two prior gens, that said there's naturally me variety.

GF is obsessed with Kanto so i could see them doing another remake or make it a second region again.

Besides that its pretty pointless, the second region would have to be basically a 2nd game because otherwise people complain there is nothing to do but besides more gyms they could just do everything in one region.

A game where you could re-visit other regions and still have good content and story in every region would be cool but we all know it would end up being shit because they dont care enough

>>31251949
Yeah GF basically stopped caring around gen 5 when they gave the fans what they wanted but they didn't accept it. Now they're just fucking around and pandering to nostalgia and flash whores.

>>31251865
>HGSS Romhack?

Never been looking for that. Could you tell me what's in the hack pls?

>>31252123
read again

>>31251949
>GF is obsessed with Kanto so i could see them doing another remake or make it a second region again.
I think doing another Kanto remake would be a bit much, too tedious to play the same game yet again, but I'd be definitely down for a SM sequel set in Kanto. Given the timespan, you could make plenty of changes to the region to keep it refreshing, but have plenty of stuff for nostalgia fags as well. New gym leaders, altered towns and environments, similar to what Gold/Silver did, but more and better. Also, getting to see Lillie again.

>>31251714
So you only count battle facilities as postgame content? Because if you do, then Emerald has the most content of all, retard.

>>31251714
Yeah, if you count battle institutions as post-game.

HG/SS post-game is replayable. I don't know anyone who goes through filler content such as Battle institutions for every run.

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>>31251415
>Pokémon should be open-ended and free of a restrictive narrative
This is an objectively bad opinion.

>>31253136
>HG/SS post-game is replayable.
The only replayable content it has is the copy and paste facility and rematches anon.

>>31253191
I meant the 2nd region, 16 badges, and Red. This is the only post-game that matters.

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>>31251469
there is not even a stop team rocket mission to do in kanto thats how. You go there fix powerplant then its straight boss rush. They could have easily did another rocket plot over there and add some sequence and other events.

>Rival is just regulated to mt moon battle, no added events featuring him
>steven s just there to give you hoenn starter and tell you about eon duo, nothing else is done with him.
>sliph and radio tower still closed off
>caves didn't get expanded
>mt moon still gen 2 babby length
>no specific day events like bug catching contest
>one thing fuchsia city was known for got moved over to johto for some reason and replaced with gen 4 transfer mechanic, why they couldn't just put the transfer mechanic in johto safari zone area and keep it post game while leaving fuchsia one attraction alone is anyones guess
>kanto levels still fucked, wild pokemon are at frlg levels for some reason and final rival battle has him at cuck levels compared to level boost all other gym leaders/e4 received

>>31251415

Linearity benefits RPGs.

>>31253147
I'd actually like this more.
just slap a pokedex on me and a shitty starter and im good to go.

Just gotta find a way to get bethesda to make a pokemon game.

"Freedom" doesn't mean jack shit if there's nothing to do

https://youtu.be/efKxC0RgyV4?t=82

Linearity is good for RPGs because it keeps you from just wandering around aimlessly. And that's all Kanto is in Gen 2; the story is over. There's no reason to battle the Kanto Gym Leaders or Red other than for the sake of it.

>>31253147
In a game like Pokémon where I choose and plan my lineup, I'd like it if I could choose and plan a more open adventure. Pokémon has always had a very shallow narrative, its always been about "become the champion", so why should I have to play the game in a sequential order that serves no purpose than to push a dumb sub plot?

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>>31251297
>>Empty
All Pokémon regions are empty, lifeless and shallow when all the battles are said and done, gen 2 Kanto was no exception. And as the OP said, it's not at all inherent in it being a second region.
>>No story
That's good, who the fuck over the age of 12 truly gives a shit about a goddamn Pokémon story? This continuous push towards cinematic world-saving is absolutely terrible and distracts from what the adventure with your beloved pets the games ultimately are and should be.

>>31251182
Because it was a terrible idea, just as the whole generation itself

>>31254273

If you're not saving the world from any threat, then your entire adventure is pointless.

>>31254273
>That's good, who the fuck over the age of 12 truly gives a shit about a goddamn Pokémon story?

Ya seriously this, you have to be literally autistic to be a grown man and care about the story in pokemon. I just skip everything.

>>31254320
>b-but muh becoming the champion!

>>31254165

"Open-world" is the cancer killing video games. People are tired of open-world snoozefests, they want more focused, linear games.

>>31254320
Nope. Every villain team segment has always been you accidentally stumbling into their shitshow evil plot and putting a stop to it. You never set out to stop from the beginning.

>>31254342

If you don't care about the story, then you have no reason to be playing an RPG, since that's the focus of RPGs.

In that case, you might as well just stick to battle simulators, because that's all Pokemon offers if you don't care about plot.

>>31254359
>they want more focused, linear games.

Empty sandboxes are terribad, but it seems more like everyone is either bitching about corridor shooters, and hallway jrpgs.

>>31254387
lol you're an autist, maybe I just like exploring the world, finding cool pokemon I want to catch and shit. There's plenty of other reasons to play new pokemon games other than for it's stupid, convoluted, over-the-top stories. But it's ok for their stories to be like that because their for children, but if you actually care about the story as an adult you're probably an autist.

>>31254320
You should probably replay the Pokemon games because the point of those games is to become the Champion, not stop X evil team.

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>>31254387
not him but these stories have always been decent, for rpg standards. But the key words are role playing, let me play my role myself. in comparison to other rpgs where choices actually matter gf is only now experimenting with this on a smaller scale. Being able to tell malasadaslmao to fuck off is really just a stepping stone to what an award winning rpg is. Choices need to matter in pokemon for it to be a good rpg.

>>31254387
pokemon is a very atipycal RPG though, like no one over the age of 10 would be engorssed with its story. The main appeal comes from collecting, trading, raising, customising your party and battling. It is halfway between a FFV-like game (lighthearted story, variety of party members to choose from) and a TCG like MTG or YGO (with the difference that you don't need to spend money to have a good team/deck but a lot of time)
tl;dr: If you're only playing pokemon for the single player experience alone you're left with a very shallow jRPG whose only quirk is a higher amount of replay value than usual.

>>31254430
linear and hallway are not necessary the same

>>31253924
You specifically referred to the replayable content. That's not replayable content in the slightest.

Not to mention 8 of those badges are in the main game, Kanto has been stripped horribly and there's nothing else there.

>>31251865
Sacred Gold/Storm Silver is a given but there are others like HGSS Golden Edition that fix and change smaller things for the better

>>31254506
Does it change the distribution and level curve? I'd play it in a heartbeat if it does that.

>>31254499
post-game starts once you beat the Pokemon League. Red is post-game champion of the Kanto region.

>>31254440
>lol you're an autist
stopped reading there

>>31251369
But the bosses are all way weaker than you

>>31254320
Your adventure's point is to go out, take the challenge and grow as a trainer and a person. The games were never solely about their shitty evil teams and their contrived bullshit plots, and they always culminated at the E4, not the predictable moment when the retarded team leader gets blown out by some 10 year old.

>>31254387
This shit is barely an RPG. You have no real roles to play, no choice, no accomplishments to be recognized for. This is also part of why the main stories are so terrible, there's simply no fucking reason for you to be doing what you're doing without mental acrobatics and overall you have no purpose in life.

>In that case, you might as well just stick to battle simulators, because that's all Pokemon offers if you don't care about plot.
Pokémon offers Pokémon, that's why we play Pokémon. I enjoy training, breeding, battling, and what little roleplay and actual Pokémon interaction there is. I play the game for fucking Pokémon, not Lillie's retardedly contrived antics.

>>31254530
Sacred/Storm changes Pokemon placement and fixes stat distribution, typing, movesets and stuff for almost everything while also being a difficult rom hack in terms of levels of each trainer and gym leaders being actually hard. It adds every pokemon catchable (up to gen 4) to the game and includes new events for other legendaries which encourages you to actually catch everything to 100% the game (catch arceus). Complete edition is more on the smaller scale with minor adjustments like pokemon distribution on a smaller scale but as far as I know doesn't fuck with the levels or difficulty

>>31254012
You are in the minority here and likely mentally deficient given your choice of company

>>31254783
>someone doesn't care about what i care about

face it, if the story is sub-par more options will be the objectively better way to construct a game and narrative.

>>31254734
I'll probably try the Golden edition first. Works on emulators right?

>>31254929
yeah they're usually just patches for a rom so just download and patch it