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Zard-Y, Kyurem-B, and Baton Pass quickbanned from UU 2017-01-06 02:34:34 Post No. 31238901
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Zard-Y, Kyurem-B, and Baton Pass quickbanned from UU
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2017-01-06 02:34:34
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>Mega Charizard Y was an absolute menace in the alpha metagame, and its life didn't get any harder with the shift to beta. It sits at a good Speed tier for a wallbreaker, boasts reliable recovery with excellent special bulk (for example, Choice Scarf Hydreigon's Dark Pulse doesn't even 2HKO), and has no safe answers. Sun-boosted Flamethrower/Fire Blast and Solar Beam are incredibly hard to play around, and Charizard's third move can be tailored to pick off whatever would-be checks that it wants to. Dragon Pulse hits Latias, Hydreigon, Salamence, and Dragonite; Focus Blast 2HKOes Gigalith and Snorlax; Air Slash is a viable option for opposing Fire-types and good overall coverage. The only true counter is Blissey, which only fits on passive stall teams and doesn't need too much chip damage to lose. While its Stealth Rock weakness is hindering, reliable options for hazard removal such as Latias, Scizor, and Starmie are available and effective; Charizard can even switch in comfortably on most Stealth Rock users, such as Metagross, Cobalion, and Krookodile, as they set up rocks.
>Kyurem-B is another Pokemon that is incredibly difficult to handle. It boasts so much raw power that there are no safe switchins to its Choice Band set alone; even the bulkiest of Steel-types such as Cobalion can be 2HKOd by Outrage. Its Scarf set allows it to work as a strong revenge killer and still proves difficult to answer defensively due to its amazing 170 base Attack stat. And even though these two sets are really all it needs, Life Orb sets make absolutely certain that defensive teams can do nothing whatsoever to stop it. These attributes coupled with its decent speed and ridiculous natural bulk let Kyurem-B simply win games on its own.
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>Baton Pass was unbanned at the start of the generation as we inherited OU's clause, but it has proven to be an even bigger problem than it was in ORAS. As teams such as Hikari's Scolipede + Necrozma (see the bottom of this post) demonstrate, this strategy can win on match-up alone a lot with there being very little viable counterplay. Scolipede has plenty of other options for recipients, and with the possibility of running Substitute, various attacking moves, and Spikes/Toxic Spikes, it's incredibly difficult to stop from doing its job. Scolipede isn't the only abuser, as Celebi, Decidueye and Mew could pass other stats such as Attack, Special Attack or even Defense, allowing a variety of Pokémon that are completely fine otherwise to become overbearing. Despite being more match-up based than either of the other two quickbans, Baton Pass is anything but a shaky gimmick and has proven to be a rather reliable strategy due to its sheer number of great match-ups, and is very hard to account for in teambuilding.
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>>31238901
No shit, Zard Y is an OU mon that's only been pushed down because current OU might as well be Z-tier Ubers
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I wish they had left dry Baton Pass in as a momentum gainer.
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>>31239339
That'd be too hard to police
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>>31239353
"UU Baton Pass Clause: Baton Pass doesn't pass boosts"
Done, none of that "It doesn't pass speed+other stats" shit.
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>>31238908
With Baton Pass banned, there's no way Decidueye can remain UU. They fucked it up for it.
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>>31239353
It would just be a teambuilding-level ban
Can't use BP with moves, items, or abilities that can raise stats.
This is such a simple ban compared to the ORAS BP clause, or drizzleswim, or GSC perishsleeptrap, or the new ubers SleepTrap, but people are too fucking salty about BP to implement and whine about "m-muh precedents" when exceptions have been made like a dozen times now.
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>>31239623
Owlfags BTFO
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>>31239650
It just means it just means that more Owlfags will try using it in OU and shit on smogon for not making it OU, the only place where it can function.
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>>31238901
Lovely, time to have Dragonite fuck everything.
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>>31238901
Good, fuck all three of those things.
>muh drypassing
let me play a sad song on the worlds smallest violin.
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>>31238908
lol
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>Kyurem-B
Fought two teams with that fucker before this ban came in
Who the fuck thought it was okay to make this run around in UU in the first place?
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>>31238901
what can you even switch into Kyurem-B in OU that isn't ferrothorn
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>>31240768
Excadrill SpDef can tank everything, iirc, although not nearly as comfortably as Ferrothorn would.
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