Z-Moves or Mega Evolution

Z, definitely.

>>31212410
Both shark jumping bullshit.

Megas.

Z Fags leave

>>31212410
Z-Moves

>>31212422
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>>31212410
Z MOVES. megas are broken and stupid

>>31212410
I love Megas but some of them are such cancer [Mega-Sableye, Mega-Venusaur] that if I could only choose one, it would have to be Z moves.

Both

I want that Inferno Overdrive used by Mega Charizard Y

Megas. They're each a unique, fun thing to play around with whereas Z-moves are either just a big attack nuke or a gimmicky status up (with a couple interesting exceptions like Parting Shot).

If they had come up with more unique Z-moves I'd like it more because I like the idea of each Pokemon having an unshared signature move. They even got kinda lazy here though, because the ones for the Alola starters, for example, are just a big nuke with nothing special. Operetta isn't even a sound move IIRC.

>Next gen's champion will not only use a mega evolution but also a Z-move and whatever new gimmick

Will they be the most powerful champion ever?

>>31212410
Megas fixed more pokemon then Z moves

Z moves helped eevee and porygon Z

>>31212483
The new Gimmick is Z Evolution, A Mega Evolution that is triggered as part of a pokemon exclusive Z attack.

>>31212410
meagas actually increase the viability of certain mons, its just that gamefreak did a shit job at choosing which pokemon to give them to. Z-moves are just kinda shitty, they don't do anything particularly interesting competitively aside from Z-liquidation on aquaranid but in game they are cancerous and OP to the point that you either insta-gib your way through the story or you don't use them at all, at which point z-moves becomes a redundant feature.

>>31212490
Megas were given to a lot of Pokemon that didn't need them and added more Powercreep. Z-moves are easier to make and can help more Pokemon. It's unfair to compare them anyway, megas have been around for three games and Z-Moves have been in one.

>>31212533
Z-moves don't help more pokemon though, beside a few exceptions, most Z-moves just help the strong get stronger.

>>31212547
exactly, they don't give buffs to weaker mons, making them more viable, but instead give all mons a new single turn nuke move, buffing both the strong and the weak

Z-Moves aren't even much of a threat as mega evolutions. Especially since they let Ash actually use them

>>31212410
This is easy, if it has a mega (excluding garchomp) then use that mega, but if it doesn't use a z-crystal only if its a shitmon that doesn't even benefit from a regular held item.

>>31212533
Only garchomp blaziken scizor slowbro and Gen 3 legends didnt need one
Everything else was either just bad or suffering to power creep.

>>31212410
Neither. I choose regional variants instead.

>>31212575
But why bother using the weak when you can just use the strong still? With Mega Evolution, shit like Altaria and Lopunny became powerful threats, other than maybe Porygon Z, what has Z-moves done on that level?

>>31212410
Megas. I use megas, but z stones are a waste of an item slot.

>>31212410
Zoves, they are one use and everyone can use it.
Mega only causes everyone to use the same damn all the time.

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>>31212410
>Z moves get boring after numerous plays
>more z status moves could have made them way more interesting, but wasnt even marketed

>megas have a fuck ton of more utility, can make shitmons viable, and can be used for a variety of diverse sets
>best feeling to not only have your pokebro power up, but actually use them more than just once in a battle rather than z moves

It's clear which one is the better mechanic. For someone who can look at z moves and believe they were amazing game changers instead of just slight tide changers, is an idiot. A mechanic that directly affects the pokemon in every way is so much cooler. Zfags have no taste.

>>31212575
Again, the already strong Pokemon benefit from Z-moves far more than weak ones. On a weak Pokemon, It often doesn't even qualify as a 'nuke' move.

>>31212602
>slowbro didn't need one.

I'll give you the rest but slowbro definitely is more versatile thanks to having a mega.

>>31212533
>Megas were given to a lot of Pokemon that didn't need them and added more Powercreep
A lot of pokemon that did need megas got them though, and Z-moves are absolutely power creep.
>Z-moves are easier to make and can help more Pokemon
Z-moves don't help underpowered pokemon, except in specific cases where their signature move got buffed (pz.) Why would I use a z-move on some shitmon when I could do it with some strong pokemon.

>>31212410

Mega evolutions are better when they support an otherwise weak pokemon like Beedrill, or give a pokemon an entirely new approach like heracross

Z moves are more balanced and gives more focus to moves themselves
Just let us skip the fucking cutscene

Megas. I'll take the chance for new designs over lame animations. Even if a lot of Megas are overdone, I really enjoy certain ones.

Mega Evolutions are fun, exciting, and actually a great gameplay mechanic that at worst needs some balance tweaking to individual Mega Evolutions and more Mega Evolutions period.

Z-Moves are worthless.

Mega Lopunny, Mawile, Pinsir, etc. turned below average mons into great ones. Anti-mega fags cry about MegaMence but that's game fuck's incompetence, not an inherent problem with the concept

>>31212623
I guess theres that
I also forgot mewtwo and gengar who didn't really need one

>>31212664
Gengar needs one now to have an ability that's not worthless.

Megas are more interesting, I like change of designs and the stones are pretty cool.

>>31212426
this.
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Not a single Z-move has made a non mega having strong pokemon suddenly a threat. If anything it's made them more predictable and less of a threat. If you know your opponent is packing a dragonite and it has a z-crystal chances are that crystal is going to be for it's dragon move making it a wasted item should it ever go up against a fairy

>>31212673
Well cursed body works behind sub so its not entirely uselessness

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>>31212449
RIP in peace

>>31212437
dude HOLY SHIT get this broken fucking Mega Audino and Mega Glalie out of my GAME

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>>31212709

>>31212631

fuckin beedrill gonna go hard come pokebank

> +2 > +3 Attack / 30 >50 BP Fell Stinger
> Mega form BSTs at beginning so protect isn't so mandatory

both

>Mega Fug's Devastating Drake
at +2

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>>31212742
His mega stone is still unreleased.

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>>31212742
>Mega-Bedrill
>Mega evolve it with a mega stone
>MEGA STONE
Imagine this anon's face when he finds out

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>>31212752
P O W E R
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>>31212742

Fuck mega stones, I'll use beedrill anyway

Fuck mega evolutions and fuck this game

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>>31212752
>ing4 dank fairy memes

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Both.

>Mega Metagross's Breakneck Blitz
at +2 from meteor mash tough claws activated

Predictability goes both ways. One can ready a Z move expecting a switch out, or use a Z move and get switched out on. It's basically like putting almost all your eggs in one big basket, so it's meant to be risky. There are safer, more viable options in Z moves that can buff Pokémon that sorely need it. The same goes for Megas, offensive ones are usually risky (Alakazam, Blaziken, Beedrill, Lucario) once a battle, but there are safer, more viable Megas that are more likely to win (Slowbro, Salamence, Sableye, Venusaur, Tyranitar), and it buffs many Pokémon that sorely need a buff. In conclusion they're both shark jumping ideas (thanks >>31212422) but since Megas have an aesthetic change I'd say Megas are better.

>>31212752
Mega Fug cannot use Z moves once it mega evolves. How could the game overlay a mega button option and the z power one too?

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>>31212865
>taking the bait

>>31212865
By having Rayquazium Z augment Dragon Ascent into a Z Move, that incidentally also mega evolves it while attacking that just plays the entire delta episode cutscene where Rayquaza takes them into space and smashes them through a meteor.

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>>31212885
You got me anon, have some lewd.

>>31212410
Z.Megas are overpowered digimon wannabees.

>>31212894
my keks were audible

Neither. If I was absolutely forced to pick one then definitely Z-Moves. Megas are irredeemable trash that have permanently damaged the series.

>>31212410
Megas. They can save shitmons, all Z-moves can do is making the top threats even stronger

Megas. Heatran didn't need Bloom Doom. Landorus didn't need Supersonic Skystrike.

>>31213024
This. Although Gf bviously isn't interesting in using this potential. (looking at you, Mega Audino)

>>31212410
z-moves and new normal evolutions/balancing shitty final evos

Z-splash end of story

>>31212602
To be fair, Scizor is suffering from power creep right now to the point that its regular form can't keep up.

>>31212410
Mega Evolution, at least it fixed otherwise overlooked Pokémon and shitmons like Kangaskhan and Gallade.

>>31212493
Literally. This anon used future sight.

Megas make the meta interesting.
Z moves are just annoying

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>>31214199
>Z Mega Eevee
>Z Mega Pikachu
>Z Mega Incineroar
>Z Mega Decidueye
>Z Mega Primarina
>Z Mega Snorlax
>Z Mega Mew
>Z Mega Marshadow
Wow I can actually see this happening.
>Z Mega Tapu
No, this is unacceptable.

Guys... were Hidden Abilities the gimmick of gen V? It went Ability, Form Change, Attack. Did best gen set this up?

>>31212422
This.

>>31213090
Not really, remember smogon is usage based, the regular form is getting less usage because there's no reason to not run the mega.

>>31212602
Change Slowbro for Salamence and you have a good list.
At least chomp's mega is worse than regular chomp.

Megas should be given to 3rd stage shitmons

Normal cross gen evolutions should be used for anything without an evolution.

If an evolution is not appropriate a stat buff should occur.

Z moves are neat and don't hurt the game much.

>>31212602
>Alakazam
>Gengar
>Gyarados
>Tyranitar
>Lucario
>Salamence
>Metagross
>Fucking Mewtwo
Yea, that power creep was really taking its toil on them, amIright? I mean, some of them even went down to UU!

>>31214646
Eviolite is a thing worth considering when giving cross gen evolutions to shitmons but I still don't think many would be better than Porygon 2.

z-offensive moves are kind of shit because they just have a large chance of not affecting the game, maybe they give coverage to something that desperately lacks it or nets a one-time-only kill on something that isn't a sure ohko or is a 2hko, meanwhile megas can give literal new life into shitmons while making uber shit even more retarded for no real reason.

i'd like more cross generation evolutions before they give more megas but i understand they are desperate about not increasing the number of pokemon, which i think is the stupidest gamefreak policy.

what if they are more than a thousand? people will still play with the ones they like or autistically catch all they can, like we've been doing for 20 years now.

z-status moves are cool though.

>>31214724
Remove evolite or nerf it.

>>31212764
>>31212778
just inject it