Name a more bland and generic main character. I'll wait.

>>31196940
Red.

>>31196940
Get out

Lillie.
Literally my mom's loli moeblob

>>31196940
thank god we finally got an angst rival instead of more overly competitive neighbors

>>31197012

>lillie has actual character development, even if it is a bit cringe
>gladion is just le angry tsundere emo man

>>31196940
Diantha. Fight me

>>31196940
The rival from BW2, whatever the hell his name was.

>>31197026

>literally who the fuck is Hau

>>31197027
>actual character devolpement
You mean how she stood up to her mother

Like she did 3 months before the game even started?

>>31196940
RSE brendan/may literally no personality whatsoever.

>>31197041
Hugo

>>31197045

that's still more than gladion

>>31197027
You button mashed through the game, didn't you?

>>31197027
>lillie has actual character development
Not only it barely exists, but it's also completely predictable.

>>31196940
Hau, by a mile.

why are so many people here defending coldsteel

>>31196940

hau was annoying as fuck but yeah gladeon was pretty ass.

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>>31197027
>it's not spelled out for me so it wasn't there

>>31197068
He did the same thing before her.

>>31197068
Gladion's a much more interesting character
He starts off as someone who appears not to care for either side and only joins Team Skull to find some kind of purpose, then decides he should face his problems and rounds up allies to take on Aether
His character development is very limited from that point I'll admit, as he only really appears at Mt. Lanakila to explain what is already conveyed in his actions, a bit redundant but still more development than most Pokemon characters

Gladion's not generic. A lot of his image banks on SEEMING generic, then challenging your expectations. He's not emo, power-hungry and bitter, but stressed out and wanting to do the right thing. He dresses like a goth, but his clothes look like shit because Silvally keeps fucking them up. He's a straight man, and probably one of the more grounded and realistic characters because of it.

And then he makes these weird poses for no reason. His attitude are a source of jokes, not just to make him look cool and edgy.

>>31197012
This. Lillie has development, but everything about her outside of her story is generic.

She has no real flaws, the only ones she has are there to make her appealing and endearing to the audience. She never causes problems, she never talks out of turn, she doesn't do anything that could ever cause waves or be seen as unappealing. She's too safe and bland.

That's a key difference between the siblings: there's more to Gladion than what's on the surface. With Lillie, there isn't.

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Gladion is cute. CUTE.

>>31197174
>And then he makes these weird poses for no reason.

Did they ever explain why he does that?

Go back to X and Y and look at any of the rivals.

>>31197184
>Did they ever explain why he does that?
Chuuni.

>>31197041
hugh mungus

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>>31197192
>mfw he does it because he likes to be the bad guy when he and silvally play

>>31197057
>muh poor loins
He'd been an actual character if his sister turned out to be made up by him, not like she ever showed up anyway.

>>31197174
Honestly even though Lillie is very safe and predictable I think that fits her character really well
Gladion had more time away from his mother to develop his personality and beliefs, while Lillie was coddled and made to act like a reserved and unassertive princess

>>31197215
That's actually adorable as fuck.

>>31197041
Huge cuck

>>31197174
>She has no real flaws
She does, though.

>the only ones she has are there to make her appealing and endearing to the audience
How, exactly, is that a bad thing? Presenting a character in a way people like her is the opposite of a bad thing.

>She never causes problems
What else does she do for the entire game?

>she never talks out of turn, she doesn't do anything that could ever cause waves or be seen as unappealing
Which, considering her background, is exactly what she was supposed to do. Lusamine isn't really the sort to allow that. Her whole character arc is about gaining more confidence in herself and getting the control of her life back.

>>31196940
lillie
any character from gens 1-4
any character from xy

>>31197027
>Gladion doesn't have character development
What
>>31197184
He's chuuni

>>31197341

here comes to gayfag gladion defence force

>>31197315
But the problem, she doesn't do aything even after her "development".
The protagonist still has to do everything for her.

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>>31197370
>gladion defence force
>a post defending Lillie

>>31197352
He is already a good character.
He doesn't really change at all, he becomes more freindly and that's it.

>>31197371
Character development != training becoming a fighter

>>31197371
Oh I wasn't defending her character in terms of the story, I just thought it was a nice aspect they kept for her character
I don't particularly like Lillie, I can see why people do even if I still believe she's a weak character

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>>31197406
>says he doesn't change at all and then describes how he changes

>>31197410
And? She still does absolutely nothing.

>>31197041
Qwilfish head.

His hair has more personality than him.

>>31197041
Hyulk. Loved him when he released his rage.

>>31196940
N
Bianca
The boy rival from gen 5 who was so forgettable I literally can't even remember his name
Barry
Dawn

>>31197493
>The boy rival from gen 5
I don't even remember him at all.

>>31197446
I'm not going to write down how much she did to slowly gain more confidence in herself over time by meeting and learning from all the people she did and ended up confronting her mother by the end of the game. If you want to hear about that, play the game.

The development isn't exactly subtle in this game. It is laid out clearly enough that even kids can understand this.

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>>31197493
>Barry
>bad

>>31197493
N is literally the best written character of Pokemon franchise. Gen 5 overall had the best story and he was a major reason why.

>>31197549
This pretty much
Everything is very overt, there are very few instances where Pokemon has subtlety in its story, and even fewer where there is actual depth and meaning conveyed subtly or naturally

>>31197493
>N
>Barry
I'm triggered

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>>31197493
>Bianca
>N
>Cheren
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bad

>>31197582
>N is literally the best written character of Pokemon franchise
He's just a twat.

>>31197630
Nice counterpoint m9

>>31197630

>N isn't cute boring wifebait trash like Lillie so he's a bad character

Red is literally a self insert character designed to appeal to the widest array of Pokemon players/fans

>>31197623
Bianca has literally no character outside of "m-muh ebil daddy!", Cheren is just a tryhard who easily gets BTFO, and N is just an autist who's only liked because other autists (which is most of this board) can relate to him.

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>>31197664
Would you a femN?

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>>31197493
>>31197630

>>31196940

> main character

>>31197722
>character X is just "m-muh ___"
You can describe literally ANY character this way, even if he/she is incredibly complicated.

>>31197664
I don't think Lillie is that amazing either.
Why do people assume I like Lillie a lot when I don't like a character?

>>31196940
All the Gen 6 rivals.
The skinny guy, I think his name was Terry or something like that. The fat dancy guy... I wanna say Jerry? Serena, and Shauna are all really fucking boring.

>>31197722
Bianca is trying to progress in her life by trying new things, when her dad tries to hold her back she gets upset and rebels
Eventually she realizes, after she's already convinced her father and won his approval, that she doesn't want to be a trainer and pursues other opportunities
It's a very basic but solid coming of age story character

>>31197769
Because of the thread itself.
It's okay to hate N, people just assumed you meant Lillie is better compared to N.

>>31197767
>Hamlet is just "m-muh ebil uncle and, m-muh father :'("

>>31197582

being a sheltered pretentous fuckboi doesn't make you interesting.

it makes you the average nu male. Minus the harem servants of course.

>>31197817
I saw this in other threads too, I mentioned I didn't think Hau was very interesting and immediately another poster got defensive and assumed I was a Lilliefag.

>>31197725
Yes, very much
Honestly if N was a girl everyone would instantly like her, the inverse is true for Lillie.

>>31197833
>fuckboi
stopped reading

Unovahaters are cancer.
Why is it cool to hate on Gen 5 now?
Is it new Hoenn (since before ORAS everyone hated Hoenn and Gen 3, HOENN CONFIRMED and everything was the hottest meme around)?

>>31197341
>She does, though.
What real flaws? That she gets lost all the time? Just there to make her look cute and has no impact on the story. That she's helpless and depends on you? Just there to make her look cute and endearing, you solve all her problems anyway, and even if she did train Pokemon she'd still probably be a damsel in distress anyway because she's going up against experienced trainers.

>How, exactly, is that a bad thing? Presenting a character in a way people like her is the opposite of a bad thing.
Because I think it's boring.

She has no elements that would make her butt heads with anyone but her mom. She gets along with everyone, and everyone loves her. She has very little chemistry with others because everyone else is rounded out, and she only exists to be as inoffensive and safe as possible.

>What else does she do for the entire game?

She only does four things in the game on a regular basis: lose Nebby, compliment and heal you, talk about clothes she did/didn't buy, and try to follow Nebby to ruins because they couldn't think of anything to do with her until her mommy issues were relevant.

>Which, considering her background, is exactly what she was supposed to do. Lusamine isn't really the sort to allow that. Her whole character arc is about gaining more confidence in herself and getting the control of her life back.
Yep. She had great development and story.

But the problem with this story is that it makes her a generic a moe waifu who's dependent on you, makes no risks, doesn't challenge anyone, and seems more like a fantasy than an actual person. And when we actually start to see her break out of this, it's near the end of the game, and she leaves forever soon after.

And they could have still given her other traits despite her upbringing. She could have been more of a nervous wreck, or very distrusting of others, or have her kick into her development earlier and have her be an independent loner.

>>31197832

first of all Hamlet is kind of just that. A petty, revenge happy, sociopath with parental issues.

second of all people only like N because

A) Fujoshis love a good persuasive feminine looking soft spoken mysterious sexually ambiguous bishie
B) he is autistic and sheltered just like most of you spergs so you relate to him

the player

>>31197853

he IS feminine looking and there is no shortage of gay ships with him.

>>31197887

found the unovafag

BW are unanimously agreed on as the worst games in the series.

>>31197887
Literally everyone just has different opinions and spouts them all day long, nothing's really "cool" to do around here because anything that's popular will be shit on all the same

>>31197846
The fags who hate Lillie jump at everything. Ignore them.

>>31197923
kek

>>31197923
Since when

>>31197493
>Barry
>bland
>generic
What the fuck

>>31197887
>Why is it cool to hate on Gen 5 now?

It's always been cool to hate on Gen 5. Your precious echo chamber was one of the very few exceptions. Cry moar, faggot.

>>31197936
since their release
only /vp/ disagrees and everyone here has shit taste

>>31197907
Holy buzzwords batman
I was just making a joke off the post, but I don't really like N all that much
I don't dislike him either, I think he's somewhat interesting in concept but I don't get why people go so crazy for or against him

>>31197887

Gen 3 and 5 have the lowest attach rates both sales wise and critically compared to their companion games and changed almost everything about their predecessors so much so that it alienated casual fans. hardcore fans took this to be a good thing while sales didn't reflect this hense the over reliance on nostalgia and the cold feet on changing the formula.

But Sun/Moon blew RSE and BW/2 out of the fucking water on opening sales so what the fuck do I know?

>>31197907
>only characters I like are considered good! Fuck objectivity! I SAID they are bad, it means they are!!!
Literally kindergarten-level thinking.

>>31197973

>I don't get why people go so crazy for or against him

Writer's pet syndrome. See also Zinnia and Lillie.

>>31197985
Gen 3 had the monopoly on GBA games though

Gen 4 to 5 is like the difference between 1 and 2

Is that a flaw of gen 2 for not selling as well?

>>31197985
What do you mean by lowest attach rate?

Because I'm pretty sure that'll only apply to either gen 3 or 5 and not both.

>gen 5 changed a lot

What did it add besides triple and rotation battles? which nobody even used

>>31196940
Literally anyone from XY. As much as I liked the game, the characters were bland as fuck.

>>31197907
>People only like character X because
>long list of character X's traits
Again, this can be done about literally ANY character.
Obviously people like characters for SOMETHING, not just because they exist.

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>>31198018
Hidden abilities

Really made some mons much more viable

>>31197991
>>31197887
I'm in love with Gen V, but even I think we deserve the mocking. Unova fans don't ignore the hate, they just go on the defensive and jump on even the shittiest of bait.

Like come on, "Gen V is the worst Gen?" No one thinks it's the worst Gen, because Gen VI and I are the only acceptable choices for that.

It was the same with Sinnoh a while ago, and now Unova is the target.

>>31198011

>Gen 3 had the monopoly on GBA games though

and fans hated it solely because they couldn't get their pokebros from Gen 1/2. FRLG was created solely as a belated apology for this. This was also during the worst period of time during pokemons popularity. Diamond and Pearl spiked it back into relevance.

>>31196940
Literally every character in the series you autistic anime-watching cretin.

>>31197887
>Why is it cool to hate on Gen 5 now?
Because Unovabortions are piss easy to troll, see: this thread, any gen ranking thread.

>>31198042
Well realistically FRLG was made so you could "catch 'em all" again

>>31198035
Hidden abilities aren't that big of a concept.

It's basically giving pokemon just another chance at a different ability.

Nothing to be compared with what every other gen introduced.

>>31198035
>all gen 5 added was more of a thing that already existed

>>31198018

gen 3 was when pokemon was in the "awkward teenager" phase of its popularity. most kids that grew up in gen 1/2 moved on to other "mature" things or whatever else was seen as popular at the time. If there was ever a time the franchise was at it's weakest relevance it would be Gen 3 especially early on without a doubt.

>>31197371
Isn't going off to Kanto mean she's doing something with her development? She's taking charge while her mother recovers. In Kanto she'll have to grow up fast with a weakened mother and all

>>31198113
Why does something need to be innovative to be better than something else

That was a gen 6 pitfall, they threw so much new shit at the game it turned into a mess

>Mega's
>Fairy type
>3D overworld
>721 future proof models
>customization
>riding Pokémon
>revamping wifi
>Amie
>super training

Like on paper this should sound great but turned into an awful unbalanced clusterfuck

Also BW tried to be the first narritice heavy Pokémon story

And the whole only Unova mons until elite 4 thing

because gladion is edgy as fuck. he literally has self harm scars for a sweater.

>>31198193
>self harm

Iirc that's confirmed to be from Type Null and how much they play

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>101 posts
>38 posters

really makes you think

>>31198175
i think anon means in the scope of the game. she grows a pair, changes her outfit and acts exactly the same as she did before then, incapable of basically any positive impact on her surroundings. even when she tells of her mom, it's instantly the PC's fault according to her mom. the biggest thing she does in the story is leave, and even then she's only caring for her mother, leaving gladion in charge of actually running things at aether, so she's shouldering not much more burden than when she ran off with cosmog in the first place.

>>31198182
Gen 5's innovation was what that question asked. So yes, Gen 5 is probably the most boring generation in that it brought hardly anything new and game changing.

>>31198182
BW's "narrative" was like watching a pisspoor anime. Oh boy, a couple of cutscenes, what a revolution from the previous gens! It didn't do anything significant.

>>31198182
>Why does something need to be innovative to be better than something else

because the person they replied to posted about what big change gens 3 and 5 brought.

Gen 3 yes.

Gen 5 no.

>>31198182

>and the whole only Unova mons until elite 4 thing

this wasn't considered a good thing at the time. also gen 5 is the epitome of quantity over quality. for every Darmanitan, Scrafty, and Galvantula, there were so many forgettable mons like Basculine, Maractus, Unfeazant, Sigilygh, Alolamola, the elemonkies, etc.

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This guy

>>31198210
and the fact that he tried to repair his own clothes.

>>31198247
Scrafty is a trash meme mon and Sigilyph is great. Your overall point is right, though.

>>31198280
>Scrafty
>trash

Okay, but you're wrong.

>barry more bland than gen 1 and 2's rivals
no

>>31198234
Where does it say needing new things is necessary to make a better game

Also they had

>Entralink
>White Tree Hallow Battle Facility
>PWT
>Seasons
>Musicals
>New exp mechanic
>moving sprites (not good but it's something)
>60 fps battles
>Habitat list
>Pokestar studios

>>31198234
>it's bad because I don't like it

>>31198311

Hey gold was a pretty good rival.
>steals a pokemon
>seems like an asshat but just want to get out of his dad's shadow

>What is the most bland character out of this series full of bland characters?
What is the point of these threads?

>>31198328
You do realize PWT is a battle tower with even less variety, right?

Or are you easily impressed by flashy music and sprites that you forget what gameplay is?

>>31197041
Hugh. And he had his good points. Namely his theme.

>>31198311
>gen 1 rival was bland
>literally a self-important dickhole who rubbed your face in it the entire game
i'll grant you that gen 2 had generic anime grade edgyman as a rival, but it opened with him being a straight up criminal, so there's that.

Are "bland" and "generic" literally the only words that any of you shitters are familiar with? Every thread it's exactly the same.

>>31198358
Woops, meant to say gen 2 and 3.

Blue/Green was pretty good.

>>31197127
> Someone screencapped my post

Y-you asshole. It's not like I am happy or anything!

>>31198355
One of the weaker rival themes tbqh.

>>31198349
Had rentals and a little swap thing. Plus a monotype challenge

It was more like the battle Dome too

>that music though

>>31198367
>gen 3 "rival"
>never even see their starter's third stage
yeah that was pretty shit. and for almost no reason, having the other PC actually mirror your character could've been a neat twist.

>>31198328
Oh no, I like Gen 5 too, but the question the other person was asking pertained to innovation, so yes, technically, Gen 5 is the most "boring" generation.

>>31196940
I WANT TO SUCK HIS BLAND AND GENERIC COCK

I WANT TO DRESS HIM UP IN A GOTHIC LOLITA MEIDO OUTFIT WITH A CHAIN COLLAR

>>31198432
I guess on paper it is

>>31198247
>quantity over quality
Not really. The thing you described applies to literally every pokemon game. There were a lot of bad designs, but also good ones to balance it out.

>>31198443
Yeah, and in practice too.

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>>31198442
Anon he is 13 years old.

>>31198452
Nah, Gen V was the first one where shitloads of people were shitting on the new Pokemon at launch. It's only subsequently that people have trained themselves to accept the designs. The vast majority of all the Pokemon from Gen I all the way to IV look good.

>>31198242
>was like watching a pisspoor anime
But that's SM

>>31198349
>You do realize PWT is a battle tower with even less variety, right?
Uh anon, it's one game mode from being the entire Gen 4 frontier.

Have you actually been inside of the PWT?

>>31198522
No, it's Gen V, VI AND VII.

>>31198550
Don't forget 4.
>hurrrr lets destroy the universe because emotions are bad

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>>31198488
I dont care! it's true lust!

>>31198505
>Gen V was the first one where shitloads of people were shitting on the new Pokemon at launch.
Dude it wasn't even that long ago. Aside from the obvious copy and paste genies most of the mon went down well.

Until the announced it wouldn't have any old Pokemon in the main game.

>>31198579
>>hurrrr lets destroy the universe because emotions are bad


More like: "Let's destroy the universe because I am an insane Sociopath"

>>31198591
>that long ago

It's been over 6 years anon since BW leak season

>>31198591
>Until the announced it wouldn't have any old Pokemon in the main game.

Am I the only one who liked this?
Honestly it was annoying in Moon
>Kanto pokemon
>Kanto pokemon
>Johto pokemon
>Kanto pokemon
>oh, looks, new Alolan pokemon! Pretty cool!
>Kanto pokemon
>...

>>31198579
Still better than "Let's be evil just because!" or whatever Gaytsis wanted.

>>31198591
>most of the mon went down well.
in what world? gen 5 had people screaming overdesigned and lazy designs from the start. the starters got shit on, half the dex got shit on, and a fucking ice cream cone was the definition of a generation.

>>31198633
Ghetsis literally had the same motivation as Giovanni (money and power), yet everyone praise Giovanni as being the best villain ever.
Genwunners strong.

>>31198336

>Gen 2 rival
>Gold

>>31198657
>yet everyone praise Giovanni as being the best villain ever
Literally no one has ever said this, genwunners or otherwise.

>>31198625
It was only bad because 99% of the Alola mons added nothing to the game.

If you just pick up shit and use what you feel like, you're gonna end up with over half of your party being non-Alolan, even if you keep your starter.

Hell, there's only, what, 3 Alola mons that are in grass on the first island?

>>31198625
it was good in theory, and then you realized it was just "unova equivalent of kanto pokemon x" so instead of caves full of zubats and geodudes it was roggenrola and woobats. same shit, different color, enjoy the 100+ brand new chaff mons.

>>31198634
>in what world?
This one anon. As in the one you are currently in.

>gen 5 had people screaming overdesigned and lazy designs from the start.
What leak are you remembering? After the shit show that was gen 4 people liked the fact that they toned down the Pokemon designs and reduced the random zigzags and lines.

Again, until they announced there would be no pokemon from past gens.

>>31198657

gen 1 was a mob boss

gen 5 had a duplicitous cult leader turned fraud turned psychopath

>>31198716
>turned sociopath

That was his plan along

>>31198657
>same motivation
>one goes about becoming a successful mob boss and gym leader (sans PC meddling)
>one decides to be VICARIOUS KING OF THE WORLD
yeah, Giovani isn't the best shit in the world, but ghetsis is fucking terrible

>>31198657
Why would anyone ever prefer a ripoff over the original? Not that many people like Giovanni anyways, so of course Ghetsis wouldn't have much fans.

>>31198684
I honestly really like this, makes Pokemon world feel more diverse and realistic. I mean, convergent evolution exists. I try to think about Pokemon not only as battle machines with unique niches, but also as living creatures of nature.
Plus there are people, who, for example, like Gigalith but don't like Golem. And so on.

>>31198135
Innovation is not necessarily a good thing.
In fact, innovation for it's own sake tends to be pretty terrible, like in XY where they were so occupied by innovating that they forgot to add a decent post game, completely wrecked the pacing, made the game a piece of cake because of an altered item, and many other mistakes that I won't even list, as I would be here all day if I tried to.

>>31198625

blame the fucking catch rates on new mon for that. pre release hype put Mimikyu near the top of popularity among S/M mons and it has 5% chance of showing up in ONE area.

>>31198716
Pokemon went the same way as the Fast and Furious franchise. In the first one they're stealing CD players or some bullshit, and now they're fighting off mercenary gangs and driving cars out of skyscrapers and shit.

>>31198743
More like a decent game

>>31198634
>overdesigned
>lazy
Pick one. Honestly, you can make a case for the first one, but considering that gen 1 is the gen people remember most fondly, the second one shouldn't be a problem.

>>31196940
Hau.
Token "happy about everything, but naively rather than optimistically" character, no character aside from IM HAPPY and MALASADA XD

>>31198734
>one decides to be VICARIOUS KING OF THE WORLD
Of Unova. Ghetsis only wanted to rule Unova, he had no interest in the rest of world.
And motivation is the same, only scale is different.

>>31198751
The difference being that Pokemon had a natural progression in accordance to the world. I mean by gen 2 we had Pokemon that made death trivial and could travel in time freely. There's no reason why the big bad wouldn't want to exploit that for a bigger goal.
F&F just went "fuck it let's go saint's row 4 on this shit".

>>31198761

Barry/Wally/Cheren/genderswap in XY never had the guts to admit they were weaker than the MC.

Hau did and that alone he is leagues above any of the "friend" rivals.

You guys are on hard drugs if you're expecting any semblance of complex characterization and emotional development out of any of these cookie cutter Saturday morning cartoon characters.

>>31198758
no, they literally complained about both. there are edits if emboar with his belt band thing missing all the swirls, and haxorus was held up as just a bunch if pointy shit in the same threads posting vanillish as "it's just an ice cream cone" any of klinkklang's line as "it's just gears" and girdurr with no fucking text. I was there!

>>31198818
Those are also pretty bad
At least they didn't make me want to bury them out back except Wally, he has cancer

>>31197192
His mom conditioned him to act like Necrozma when he was a child desu :^)

>>31198780
i'm not debating that the motivation wasn't the same, i'm saying the results of one were good and the results of the other were retarded.

>>31198846
You mean the edits that were made in the last edit thread?
The ones made well after the game was in it's spotlight?
When hating it became a meme?

>>31198846

fucking this

when pokemon got revealed like Maractus and Basculine got everyone was like "so what are their evolved forms?"

>>31198871
>i'm saying the results of one were good and the results of the other were retarded.
The latter referring to Giovanni right?
Because Ghetsis almost succeeded in his plans.

Giovanni couldn't even steal a Master Ball.

>>31198818
>admits he's weaker than the PC
>after going the entire game with three fucking pokemon
but Hau clearly isn't a weak trainer, he's an incompetent trainer.

>>31198657
I don't think anyone has ever called Giovanni an amazing villain, I think why a lot of people like him over the endless cult teams is because his goals are realistic and not fucking retarded.

What would a real person do:
>Hey, I should do X scam and Y racket to make some money and get some power, that'd be really nice to have
or
>EEEEEEEERRRRRRRR GUYS WE SHOULD LIKE, DESTROY EVERYTHING FOR SOME REASON

>>31198871
Giovanni was so ashamed of losing to child that he runs away and abandons his loyal team.
At least Ghetsis had guts to try the second time and he didn't betray his loyal followers.

>>31198883

hating Vanilluxe line was worse than the Klefki shit by leagues. don't get me started on Garbodor.

>>31198846
I was there too, and it was pretty polarizing actually. People either LOVED the new mons or they HATED them. There was no in between. The haters were louder. I for one love most of the Gen 5 mons aside from a few(Vanillite line is one)

>>31198883
>edits that were made in the last edit thread?
no the ones that were made on the final evos reveal, newfag.

>>31198907

>Raichu uses Psychic

also he is always the first Champion title defense where he has a "real" team.

>>31198894
Same happened with some Alola mons.
I mean, pretty much everyone were sure that Komala is gonna evolve.

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>>31198911
>EEEEEEEERRRRRRRR GUYS WE SHOULD LIKE, DESTROY EVERYTHING FOR SOME REASON

>>31198924
agreed, it was polarizing more than anything. I fell on the ither side of the fence, but i've never been especially vocal about the aesthetics. regardless of personal opinions on the matter, it was absolutely a fucking thing.

>>31198971
They're fueled by politics, and literally don't want to obliterate the world into atoms or kill the human race, as the other teams do.

>>31198988
> literally don't want to obliterate the world into atoms or kill the human race
None of the teams want it tho. No team wants to destroy the world just for destruction.
They all have their reasons and motives, that may not make sense in our world, but are somewhat reasonable in Pokemon world.

>>31198911
>because his goals are realistic
That's the thing his goals were far from realistic for the Pokemon world which made it seem extremely disjointed. I mean he has magical creatures and he decides to make money through an extremely convoluted method instead of catching a gang of Meowth and abusing Pay Day.

Also the only antagonist that wanted destruction for no reason was Archie.

>>31197493
>>31197508
>>31197561
Hugh.

>>31198988
What, Lysandre is pretty much Pokemon Hitler. He wanted the chosen ones to live, and have them make the one true race.

Cyrus wanted to destroy everything. Most of the team Galactic flunkies were in the dark about everything.

Archie and Maxie continue to be retarded environmentalists who were arrogant and extremely misguided. Where only Maxie's plan makes somewhat sense, if you ignore the massive ramifications of just pulling up land forcibly out of nowhere.

>>31197041
>muh purloin

>>31196958
/thread
sun/moon is still shit

>>31199033
>abusing Pay Day.
That wouldn't work though, inflation catches up to you when you do that.

>>31198906
>geovani takes over a city, runs a racket in two others, and his goons terrorize two others. the player literally demolishes everything he built
>ghetsis started a cult and loses as soon as he tries to mobilize it, being let down by his autistic son at the most critical moment
>>31198917
>geovanni abandoned his criminal empire after being bested at every turn by a ten-year old who tore it down around him
>ghetsis gets his mad plan foiled by an 11-year-old, so a few years later he tries the exact same plan minus his autistic son, with the exact same cult, and fails just as hard against a different 11-year-old
ghetsis apologists plz leave.

>>31197922
That's not what fuccboi means.

>>31199104
>>geovani takes over a building, runs a racket in two others, and his goons become a nuisance two others. the player literally demolishes everything his small group in a day and he runs back to a cave like an angry autist completely abandoning any remnants of his team causing them to fall apart


>>ghetsis started a cult, had them build a castle below the pokemon league without attractign the attention of the E4 and successfully creates a divide between a large number pokemon and trainers with the latter releasing their mon by the end, being let down by his autistic son at the most critical moment he continues the fight on his own cementing his status as the antagonist that almost succeeded
>Ghetsis returns two years later with a team that backs his intentions fully, captures Kyurem and uses it's power to freeze over opelucid, makes an attempt at the protagonist's life and successfully steals the dragon controlled by his reformed son and setting it on the protagonist once again with a device that prevents capture of Kyurem once again nearly succeeding with his plan
Ftfy

>>31199104
Oh yeah, the Gen 5 protags are at least 16.

>>31199311
>at least 16
no, they were at most 13. it was bumped up from the 10 of previous gens, but they are not mid teens by a stretch.

>>31197204
is this sexual harassment?

>>31199362
One, the protags were never 10 outside of Ash in the anime.
Two it was confirmed around the 16 range years ago.

>>31199289
>if I keep saying ghetsis almost won, it'll mean something
literally every pokemon antagonist "almost won" except the gen 2 rockets who were misguided and never would have gotten what they wanted. the plot of every pokemon game is you as the protagonist foiling the dastardly plans.

>>31199362
>>31199415
BW mc are somewhere 12-15
BW2 mc are somewhere 14-17

>>31199289
Ghetsis did not almost succeed at all. Both times he was beat before he could even get his plan started. Giovanni was by far more successful in that he had a criminal empire before Red even started his adventure. As soon as Ghetsis rose, both Hilbert and Nate beat him once respectively before he could even begin taking over the Unova region.

>>31199587
Maybe because Ghetsis's plan was huge?

>>31196940
hau

>>31199604
No excuse. Other team leaders have more grandiose plans that succeed just as much, if not more, than Ghetsis.

>>31199604
Maybe because Ghetsis's plan was stupid.

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>>31196940
>>31197012
They're both forgivable because they have best mom.
Glads should've been there for the final fight too, guy was easily more bro than malasada meme man.

>>31199664
>He basically has the same goal as Goivanni.

>leave Aether Foundation
>joins team that works with Aether Foundation
>presumably knows this because he's the one that knows where they're taking Lillie

What a fucking moron

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>>31201449
>Lillie leaves the AF to protect Nebby
>Thinks it's a good idea to rest in the AETHER HOUSE.

>>31201449
It's almost like S&M was a rushed, bad game.

>>31201498
You forgot to post that image.

>>31201498

That kind of stupid plot point is kind of unrelated to whether a game is rushed or not.

>>31201629
This. The evidence of the game being rushed out the door is overwhelming, but Gladion slipping up like that just seems like just an unexplained plot point that has nothing to do with how rushed the game was.

Way I figure is that he didn't KNOW they were working together until later. After that incident, he basically quits Team Skull entirely.

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>>31201493
>>31201449
It's almost like the jackass kids of a delusional mom are really good at making bad decisions.

same though

>>31201661
Wasn't it that Gladion was homeless and Team Skull were the only ones who would take him in?
Seems like he probably didn't have much choice

>>31201498
This. How come we can't have just one good 3DS game?

>>31201762
We could've been the voice of reason if, you know, we had a voice, the ablility to tell Lillie and Gladion how it is and how they should go about it.

>>31196940
your mom XD

>>31197045
that was running away after she instinctively tried to save nebby, she changed and began confronting her problems while travelling with the mc.

>>31197430
Gladion's character doesn't actually change though, he just hates you slightly less.

>>31201867
that's change though

>>31201890
Not of his personality. Just his opinion of you and Hau.

>>31197725
I always thought he looked pretty androgynous.

>>31202131
Yeah, he'd have the bottom bunk in jail, all the bubbas "releasing their pokémon" into his ass.

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Oh, leave him alone.

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>Gladion
>Lillie
>N

>Bland

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Why is he so pure?

>>31196940
is this a jojo reference?

>>31196940
Can't get more bland and generic as Lillie. She's the walking cliche of a helpless female who can't do anything for herself but is trying her best to be better.

Gladion was at least interesting.

>>31197341
>She does, though.
At least explicate when stating something empty.