UBER VIABILITY RANKINGS RELEASED

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>Xerneas and Yveltal are still better
>M-Gengar and M-Salamence are better
What went so wrong

>Kyogre in D

Oh how the mighty have fallen

>>31181058
This is the first time I've seen Ubers. Why're A-Muk, Excadrill, Bronzong, Shuckle, and Dugtrio there

>>31181058
why are toxipecs clefable cloyster and muk uber?

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>Arceus-Water is now the 2nd best Arceus form, ahead of Arceus-Ghost
>Muk-A is as viable as Darkrai
>Yveltal is as viable as Xerneas

The meta shifts are subtle, but they're there

>>31181058
>Ho-Oh that high
Wait, what?

>>31181058

Suncuck BTFO.

>>31181122
Kyogre and Groudon are more a case of "why would you ever use this over its primal?"

>>31181146
A-Muk shits over Lele and deals with Xerneas to some extent
Excadrill and Bronzong do what they've always done in the past
Shuckle is there for stickyweb and something else, I forgot
Dugtrio traps grounded things

>>31181146
>>31181153
Because they know what they are doing, unlike you retards that spout off type weakness memes.

>>31181058
I'm so happy that Ho-oh has managed to stay so good.

>>31181146
>>31181153
They're not Uber tier themselves, they're just good mons to use in Ubers.

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>Genie of healthy meta is now C+ tier

Get fucked Landorus

>>31181171
Ho-oh's been great ever since it got Regenerator and actual physical STAB.
Where the fuck have you been?

>>31181058
Wow, so that "-ate" nerf did have some impact. Salamence is still a monster, but it went from S to A+

Mega Fug is still banned?

>>31181258
Why the fuck would it not be

>>31181058
Am I blind or is Mega Blaziken now banned from ubers too?

>>31181292
Mega Blaziken doesn't exist

>>31181292
Nah, it's megastone is unreleased

>>31181305
Oh yeah. Le sun and moon meme strikes again.

>>31181058
HOW IS SOLGALEO THAT LOW

Holy shit

Mega Gengar is so based

>>31181182
I can understand always using Primal Groudon since vanilla Groudon was overall meh in Ubers (and Primal Groudon gets to actually use it's special movepool and gains extra STAB) but why Kyogre? Unless you're running physical the gains are only +30 Sp.atk, +20SpD and Primordial Sea. Vanilla Kyogre can still run sets like the Choice Scarf set, physcially defensive set and assault vest and not be completely outclassed by the primal; the only real problem I see that it gets incedibly hard countered by Primal Groudon

>>31181058
I don't play competitive but is Primal Groudon S+ because or Desolate Land and his access to Solarbeam?
Or because he's only weak to Ground since Desolate Land makes Water useless

>>31181058
>alolan Muk more viable than speed boost blaziken

Pls explain

>>31181358
>Solgaleo is superior!
>Lunala is shit because 4x weakness!
>Solgaleo is ranked lower than Lunala
>Solgaleo is ranked lower than a literal pile of sludge

>>31181425
Immune to paralysis and burn
Immune to water(4x) moves
Instant solarbeam
STAB fire and ground
Insane bulk
Good support/boosting moves

>>31181228
Nah, the nerf didn't change shit, especially because now it has 120 speed in the first turn when megaevolving. What made it drop were the new threats in Uber

>>31181400
Pseudo weather wars basically
Primal Groudon is everywhere so people throw out Primal Kyogre to change the weather to scare it out

>>31181462
So how's Gengar that good now? Is it becase Darkrai got BTFO?

>>31181400
>only real problem is getting hard-countered by the best Pokemon in the tier

That's the only problem you need.

There's also the fact that one of PGroudon's best checks, PKyogre, can't be used if you're using regular Kyogre. It's a pretty easy decision to make.

>>31181495
Mega speed increase in turn one now
Why lucario is up so high now

>>31181058
Why is Lando-T a higher rank than Lando-I but Lando-I is banned from OU

>>31181563
Lando-I is a worse Ground Arceus when it comes to Ubers

And of course, a Pokemon's standing in Ubers has little to do with OU

>>31181495
Same reason, though I thought it lost iron tail so physical sets aren't that viable anymore so idk

can someone explain why blissey is better for ubers and Chansey for OU

>>31181058
>P-Don is still at the top

noncanon Kyogrecucks BTFO for another generation.

>>31181058
>Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Toxapex and Muk are somehow Uber
I know they are good but those are literally the first four Pokemon I made this gen and I'm sure as hell going to use them.

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>>31181058
>M-Salamence A+ even in ubers


What kind of fucking monster has GF created?

>>31181628
No, you idiot. They're USED in Ubers, they aren't uber. Do you really think Shuckle is ubers just because it's on the list?

>>31181727
are you ignoring Gengar lurking in fucking S or what

>>31181727
They made Rayquaza Jr.
It was like that in Gen IV, and it's still like it now. Especially since they both got Megas.

>>31181425
P-Groudon is S+ because it does everything

>>31181058
So aren't things that are over centralizing banned? It's not like Ubers isn't a tier of its own now with AG acting as what Ubers was before hand. What prevents Primal Groudon from being overly centralizing when it's used on nearly every single team in the tier?

>>31181752
Gengar is more outright made to be broken. I guess I'm just more used to it and megamom being ridiculous mistakes of X and Y, you think they would've learned how to do non-legendary megas by ORAS.

>>31181762
>TFW Salamence is UU now

Still blows my mind. Now that's what I call powercreep.

Has mega-mom been bumped down to ubers? can you use it in OU now?

So, who's going to be the first cover legendary with the exception of Kyurem-B to get thrown into OU shit?

I'm betting on Solgaleo

>>31181606
>can hold shed shell to escape mega gengar
>usable special attack

>>31181606
I'm sure they calculated yvetal's usage rate to be crazy high, not a lot of other knock off users in ubers though. Honestly I'd probably just use chansey anyways cus that's an easy bait for a double switch to get Xerneas vs Yvetal and then get a free Geomancy in as he switches out.

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>>31181835
I can see Solgaleo, especially if powercreep continues as rapidly as it has since gen 6. Another top contender is Darkrai, there's no reason for it to be Uber now that dark void is dead and it's basically a mediocre special Weavile with no knock off.

>>31181799
Smogon is still reluctant to treat Ubers like a full tier yet. Ubers has always been over-centralized, this isn't really new.

The only reason they banned MegaFugg was because it 2HKO'd everything in the game.

>>31181292
It has the same ability as standard KFC and takes up a mega slot in a tier where several other megas are more desirable.

>>31181880
>darkrai
>cover legendary
Anyway, Darkrai may drop at some point, but it might be a bit too strong for OU.

>>31181925
This makes a lot of sense.

>>31181227
Ho-Oh had Brave Bird and Sacred Fire before Regenerator.

>>31181058
>Shaymin-S
>C+ Ubers

Comeone do a good job of convincing me why Shaymin-S isn't OU, especially given the Ubers lite feel that Gen 7 OU has at the moment. Always felt like one of the more mediocre Ubers mon in the tier

>>31181835
Suicune was OU in Gen 2 so you're a little late.

>>31181835
Considering how Solgaleo has Z splash and Steel, Psychic, Fire, Ground and Electic physical coverage combined with good type bulk, and recovery in morning sun I highly doubt it will drop.

>>31181962
it hits just as hard with a life orb anyways

>>31181835
I don't think 680s are ready. Solgaleo would be a bad fit as none of its sets would share the same counters or checks, and the Z-Splash set in particular would just fly through everything.

>>31181880
No way in hell

>>31182010
Shaymin-Sky forces its way past all of its would-be defensive checks

>>31182010
goesfast
immune to Spikes/TSpikes
RIPPED INTO BY SEED FLARE
60% Air Flinch
support moves like Healing Wish
can subseed if you want

>>31182010
>le serene slash of healthy flinching
Unlike Togekiss and Jirachi, it also has the speed required to abuse flinch hax. And remember that being bad in ubers doesn't mean you should be in OU.

>>31182010
Serene Grace is literally the only thing keeping it out of OU. Given how the OU Team on smogon is losing their mind over how unpredictable Genesect can be, there's no way they'd let SkayminS in since literally every match will be flinchhax

>>31182088
>being bad in ubers doesn't mean you should be in OU
I agree with this statement, but explain KyuB.

>>31182061
It's still completely outclassed by mega metagross but I agree since it basically fills the same slot without even needing a mega stone.

>>31182061
Adding to this I wouldn't be surpised to see Vanilla Groudon or Lugia to be the next cover legend to drop; Reshiram might too.

>>31182126
It doesn't rock the boat too hard. It was recommended for standard play due to its lack of physical Ice attacks and mediocre defensive typing.

>>31182136
>outclassed

say that when meta gross gets better coverage and a recovery move

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>b-but zygarde is a cuck g-guys!

>>31182126
That's more like it's not broken enough to stay out of OU as oppose to it's crap in ubers.

>>31182010
>80% chance to harshly drop special defense

>>31182126
>I agree with this statement, but explain KyuB.
Shit defensive typing and no good physical ice attack, as well as a lackluster physical movepool in general.

>>31182148
>lugia
Fuck no. Something with those defenses, roost, and multiscale would break the game if it were to drop to OU. Stall teams are annoying enough already.

>>31182217
It was. And then it got a new form, new moves, and a good ability.

>>31182204
>steel, psychic, ground, and fighting is not good coverage and does more damage thanks to higher stats and tough claws

It's like comparing garchomp to flygon, just because flygon gets recovery nobody would ever use it over garchomp cus of the speed tier and damage

>>31181431
Feels good to be a Moonfag

>>31182342
It's not like you can use it reliably though.
It's new form only activates once it's below half health which is mega gay.

>>31182456
Flygon gets dragon dance

>>31182126
With Earthquake and Ice Punch he'll go right back up.

>>31182480
>It's not like you can use it reliably though.
Where the fuck have you been?

>Buzzwole
What's it doing here in Ubers?

>>31182480
It's very reliable but not in Ubers so you just have it start out as 100% instead.

>>31182504
punching stuff; same as OU

>>31182504
Unique resists

>>31182456
It has fucking 137/107/89 bulk on top of reliable recovery, and a movepool that lets it beat steel types that wall Meta like Scizor. It's not good in Uber, but it could run an assload of sets in OU. It could even run a special set because it has an actually good special movepool and 113 special attack isn't crap in OU compared to what it is in Uber.

>>31182504
Sub Focus punch sets is pretty good

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>>31181058
>shuckle
>that high
It's amazing a single move justifies its existence in ubers AND is seen as more useful then a number of of other legendaries.

>>31182456
Its more like comparing Infernape to Blaziken

>>31181835
I was going to say Lunala because personally I felt it's two 4x weaknesses to pretty common typings was pretty bad but I guess he's good enough to be A-.
Really though, probably none of them. People thought Ho-Oh was trash enough with sneaky pebbles in the game to drop to OU but then Gen 5 came and gave him Regenerator so that kind of fell on its face. The only reason Kyurem-B is in OU is because his typing is actually garbage and gets like 3 usable physical moves, an issue that pretty much no other box legendary has.

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Is kartana too shit for ubers? I know guzzlord is garbage but I thought kartana was seen as pretty good.

Where is guzzlord seen actually? Is it even good enough for UU or RU?

>>31182525
How, by going into battle with it at half heatlh? That seems so silly.

>not only is Lunala good in Ubers, it's actually better than Lugia
Pointed stones of healthy meta

>>31182798
By collecting all the cells and having the cube shit out a 100%.

>>31182860
Lunala is just the offensive Lugia
And its coverage is great

>>31182863
That's not how it works.

>>31182785
>bad stab coverage
>coverage attacks are mostly low-bp and make contact
>special bulk is nil
>"only" 109 speed is just okay for a pokemon of this nature

I can't see Guzzlord being in NU since it has no problems KOing stuff

>>31182594
Mostly I just don't think it's that hes better because the 4MSS this guy has going on.

If you're running z splash you aren't running recovery cus you need more coverage than steel/psychic to sweep, if you run life orb with recovery it's sub par because flare blitz/wild charge have recoil, and the scarf/band sets are basically equivalent to megagross speed/damage except you are locked into one move.

Really the only reason I'd use one over the other is if you already have a mega on your team.

(Not that hes bad by any means)

>>31182785
>Where is guzzlord seen actually? Is it even good enough for UU or RU?
No.
>massive HP
>average offences
>shit defences
>shit speed
>shit defensive typing
>no reliable recovery
Guzzlord is by far the worst UB.

>>31181400
>the only real problem I see that it gets incedibly hard countered by Primal Groudon

That's also a pretty fucking major problem since last gen P-Groudon sat on a 80%+ usage and there are no reasons why it should change.

It's like saying it's okay to play on the freeway as long as there aren't any cars.

How do we stop Primal Groudon?

>>31181606

Mega Gengar is it basically.
Chansey can't do shit to it except Thunder Wave it, meanwhile Gengar can still do his Perish Trap trick.

>>31182944
Thing is, it could easily also run a special set. It gets a decent special movepool, it could run an offensive or defensive CM set. I'm sure that some people might even just use a bulky attacking set considering how well it can eat hits alongside not using your Mega slot.

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>>31183103

I don't think we can...

>>31183103
Zygarde rapes Groudon

>>31183103
>Golduck used Water Gun

>>31183103
>drilbur used hidden power water

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>>31181058
>Alolan Muk

>>31183198
Retard

>>31183164
>Golducks Water Gun fizzled out!

>>31183198
Mate...

>>31181431
To be fair, there were retards saying Lunala was gonna be shit because of pursuit and sucker punch, BUT... no one ever said Solgaleo was going to be anything to write home about after seeing the typing and stats.

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>>31183198

>>31183228
Your even more retarded than the drill bur guy


(Am I being baited?)

>>31183250
>(Am I being baited?)
>()

>>>/r/eddit

>>31183240
This and GF has done nothing to stop the P-Don rapetrain and Solgaleo sadly has nothing to halt it.
Solgaleo has one very decent niche in checking Xerneas, which is probably the only reason it's still B-.

>>31183270
I'm on mobile nigga spoilers are too hard

>>31183284
At the very least it can cause decent damage with EQ, nothing special unless its running Z-Splash

Really it should be played as a late game cleaner more than anything

>>31181358
shadow shield

>>31183315
I don't think keeping your solgaleo in against groudon is ever a good idea

>>31181358
This is basically what would happen to Xerneas and Yveltal if they got regular abilities instead of Auras

>>31183315
The problem is that he's not good enough to be a late game cleaner in ubers where literally everything else does that job better. He's simply outclassed by mega lucario in every aspect of ubers

>>31183221
>>31183234
>>31183244
>what is mold breaker?

>>31183432
>he doesn't know

>>31183483
Wait mold breaker doesn't ignore desolate land? Never mind then I'm retarded.

>>31183406
Speaking of that, I was kinda surprised to see Lucario up there. Mega speed buff must have really helped.

>>31183432
An ability that causes attacks to ignore abilities, however groudon isn't protected by his ability but a weather effect. Otherwise mega gyarados would have a niche

>>31183520
It really does. Its part of the reason why so many of us are pissed at Beedrillite and Diancite being unreleased

>>31183556
I think priority is gonna be a big deal now once beedrill is unleashed

>>31182148
>lugia
>ou

They should put reshiram in OU just to show how deluded you people are

>>31183581
>Megadrill/Lele
Who would be a good 3rd?

>>31183617
Oh, Charizard-Y x Specs Reshiram would be a sight to behold

Forgive me for my shit question, but where's Mega Mewtwo X and Y?

Can we let blaziken back into OU now?

>>31181908
The funny part is that when people on Smogon actually bring up the topic of banning P-Groudon because it's so stupidly good, some sperg will always go "UBERS IS A BANLIST NOT A TIER GO BACK TO OU FAGGOT" in the very same Smogon topic.

I get that they want to keep Ubers "pure" in that it doesn't need suspect tests, but at the same time...P-Groudon is fucking cancer and should be booted.

>>31183630
Probably Magnezone if you're going into OU. Seriously, that thing is everywhere in OU.

>>31183663
No mega stones

>>31183664
>Blaziken
>considered better than his mega
>OU
>Talonflame nerf

Yeah, if there was ever a time Blaziken would've returned to OU, it's gone now.

>>31181226
Still A+ in OU :^)

>>31183663
>tfw regular mewtwo isn't even more viable than solgaleo according to smogon

I'm calling bullshit

>>31183748
>considered better than his mega
Really fires up my Autism when this happens

>>31183785
>m-muh mewtwo is le most powerful pokemon REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Fuck off genwunner, the two play completely differently.

>>31183799
>>31183748
It's worse because it stops you from running gengar/mence

What would ubers look like if p-don was banned to AG

>>31183785
What's the point of Mewtwo when Deoxys-A exists?

>>31183915
Deer simulator: pro edition

>>31183924
Mewtwo was pretty much always rated higher in previous generations though.

>>31183915
More Xerneas & Xerneas checks, Primal Kyogre becomes the supreme being of unboosted damage

>>31183924
Mewtwo still has Fire attacks and can survive an attack if necessary

>>31182456
Flygon has a very specific niche in ubers though.

>>31182860
Shadow Shield and Roost is a hell of a drug

>>31183519
Mold Breaker ignores immunities granted by abilities.
Desolate Land creates a weather effect that grants Primal Groudon an immunity.

>>31184174
really fires up your neurons...

I wish something would drop to OU.

I would say Zekrom deserves a suspect test in OU, but then I remembered Electric Terrain is a thing and it pairs well with Tapu Koko (Double Volt-SwitchVolt-Switch core, it's retarded but I've seen stuff like that work before) so it's not going to happen.

Any idea if Giratina (Origin or regular) has any chance of ever coming down? Kangashkan?

>>31181058
Still remember all of the idiots saying Solgaleo was badmetagross and would be OU, lmao.

>>31184639
They tried giratina as a April fools joke couple years back wasnt pretty

You know theres something wrong with it when you need wigglytuff to counter it

>>31184639
>Zekrom deserves a suspect test in OU
I dont know why you would ever think that, even before ET. Its already a good mon in Ubers, and that mammoth attack/bulk, along with great typing is too much for OU

>>31184639
everything in ubers except maybe M-Kanga 110% deserves to be there and Kanga won't be suspected for a few months at least. They will suspect it though.

>>31182769
If it got icicle crash or maybe even ice punch, it would be ubers.

>>31181429
>Alchemy

>>31185092
Parental Bond was nerfed, but it can still use 200 HP Seismic Tosses, 2HKOing the vast majority of the tier. It's still too much for OU.

>Mewtwo is now a shitmon

I want to go back.

>>31185712
Probably. But of all of the things in ubers, M-Kanga is probably the least potentially disruptive to OU. It's actually balanced in BSS now. Even most of the shittiest box legends in ubers are meta destroyers, Kyu-B is just a freak occurrence that could easily move up to ubers if it gets something new from move tutors.

>>31185781
are you ready for Mewtwo in OU

>>31185781
>B- rank in ubers is a shitmon
The power creep hasn't gona THAT far bud.

>>31181058
What the fuck, how is Mewtwo in B-? It was in B+ in ORAS. Also what makes Giratina bad, I thought its bulk was good in Ubers?

>>31185844
Low ubers viability is not an indication that something should be eligible for use in OU. Even dogshit ubers like Deoxys-D are retarded in OU.

>>31181495

>Now

Mega Gengar was always S tier in Ubers. Singlehandedly fucking stall in its ass, as well as effectively removing one pokemon from the game depending on your team comp is and always will be an invaluable asset until Shadow Tag gets nerfed into the ground (which is never because ST isnn't a huge deal in doubles)

>>31185839
The thing is it's probably balanced in BSS because PuP isn't legal there. Smogon allows transfer moves so it's totally possible that M-Kang will still be overwhelming for OU. Is like to see a retest though

>>31185905
Lunala happened.

>>31181930

Darkrai still has hypnosis and still butfucks half of OU effortlessly even without Sleep Abuse so no.

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>>31181058
>ZEKROM
>After Gaydeer and faries in general
>After Primal Groudon and Ground/Fairy cores
>After Mega Mence
>After Mega Gengar
>After mother fucking Perfect Zygarde
>STILL B RANK
FUCK YEAH
U
C
K

Y
E
A
H

B2 was the first game I played after quitting the franchise for a bit around Johto or so. I've been trying to find my bearings in competitive ever since and Zekrom has been an instant fave ever since. To see it still kicking ass after all these years brings a manly tear to my eye. Definitely gonna try to exploit whatever niche he's found this gen.

Sorry for blogging, I'm just so fuggin psyched

>>31182010

It's one of the very few Pokemon that got a 100% ban supermajority during it's suspect test. It's absolute cancer in OU and will be, forever, unless they either remove Serene Grace from its ability, or introduce an ability that acts like Inner Focus+Clear Body and give it to an absolute fuckton of steels, fires, electrics and whatnot so never

>>31182126

Doesn't have Icicle Crash/Ice Hammer

either one of those moves alone would easily push it into Ubers, because that means it wouldn't be forced to go mixed anymore.

Man, Solgaleo really got screwed on its ability. How the fuck did GF think that "clear body clone vs multiscale clone" was perfectly balanced?

They could have at least made it so Sunsteel Strike/Moongeist Beam ignored the Mold Breaker immunity on them, but nooooo

>>31186030
It's B because it is literally the only good physical electric attacker in the game.

>>31186030

Having a good physical electric stab does wonders, especially considering that Electric is a good offensive typing.

but seriously, Fusion Bolt as a Movetutor when?

>>31186030
>still B rank despite its rather shit movepool
Why the fuck do the gen 5 box legends have such bad movepools anyway? Kyurem not getting Icicle Crash or Ice Punch is absolutely retarded.

>>31185781
That concerns me greatly, and even its Mega Stone doesn't fix it.
>yfw Mega Alakazam has better relevant stats than Mega Mewtwo Y

>>31185781
Maybe all of you >i-it's the strongest pokemon retards can kill yourselves finally.

>>31186093
Oh well atleast he looks great

>>31186482
It still baffles me how there aren't any good physical electrics besides Zekrom. Electivire, Luxray, and AGolem are all massive failures.

>>31183924
Deoxys is a late game cleaner/revenge killer
Mewtwo is a sweeper

>>31186686
Don't forget Topu Keko. It's still good, but it was designed as a physical attacker, and it sucks as one. It doesn't even get Play Rough, the only physical Fairy move

>>31186686
It's because Zekrom has the only good physical electric attacks.

>>31183915
Pre-ORAS Ubers had so much Xerneas.

>>31186808
Galvanize Return is actually really good, it's just that Golem itself sucks.

>>31186834
XY Ubers was perfection. It was gen-5 but with Xerneas, Yveltal, Mega Mom, Gengar, and Aegislash (and some guest appearances by mega Scizor and )

ORAS fucked it all up with Groudon and to a lesser extent Salamence. Groudon on every team just isn't as fun as terminating Xerneas checks before bringing out your Xerneas. My theory why is because Xerneas can only properly Geomancy once so it it's really powerful but not particularly versatile (non power-herb sets were pretty bad...) Groudon just does everything too well so it's not all that fun to be centralized around because unlike Xerneas, which needs a few conditions met, Groudon can just pop out and murder shit out of nowhere if you predict a wrong switch, and it's so bulky (Xerneas bulk was decent but not amazing) and hits so hard it's kinda hard to stop even without any boosts.

>B-
>Mewtwo

It's not fucking fair, bros. Mewtwo is supposed to be the strongest Pokemon. I've been a loyal Mewtwo fan my whole life, when he didn't get into Brawl I cried and broke my disk. When he got into Smash 4 I thought things were going to get better. How could GameFreak do this to us and to Mewtwo? I don't know what to do, I'm shaking with impotent rage. I feel like thashing about.

>>31186984
There will be a point in the future where Mewtwo will eventually reach D rank due to the evergrowing success of the franchise, leading to more stronger Ubermons and the powercreep that comes with it. Be ready, anon

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>>31186984

>>31186984
Fucking kek, I agree though. The good thing is that Mewtwo is the third biggest genwun Gary Stu, so we can expect GF to significantly buff it within the next generations.

>>31186984
I kind of blame Gamefreak for not truly updating old Pokemon the way they should. Newer Pokemon get fancy abilities that define them (though some are now just reskinned versions of common abilities) and moves that actually have effects. Mega Mewtwo was supposed to fix this, but they messed that up too. 140 Speed? Cut 20 Defence and give 150 Attack? Really Gamefreak? It also cannot OHKO things either unlike most of the other legends out there. The fact a 680 BST Pokemon with a Mega still cannot stand up to the rest is really telling. Until they actually fix some of these problems I doubt Mewtwo will ever be able to contend with the newer stronger Pokemon that keep coming out.

>>31186591
They honestly have to get rid of that charge turn on its signature moves. I think Gamefreak just has a hate boner for Ice mons honestly now that I look at it. It would be even cooler if the Mold Breaker clones added a hidden STAB option for Fusion Flare/Fusion Bolt for Kyurem, much like what Steelworker does. But they won't do that because Kyurem's an Ice type, so they have to stop him from becoming too broken.

>>31186093
EVERYTHING Sun got fucked.
Box legend is worse.
Exclusive UBs are worse.
Monkey is worse in the format the monkeys were both made for.
...dragons are a wash, really
Only things it has going for it over moon is A-Vulpix and the one level place in Cancer Place.
Fuck, moon even has better colors for clothes.

>>31188336
Passimian is only shit because there is nothing with a decent ability to pass to it legal in VGC this year. Same reason power of alchemy muk sucks ass.

>>31186686
>AGolem
Kill button with Galvanize+Choice Band+Explosion
So it has that going for it

>>31181835
giratina-o given it functions similarly to a mega at 580 bst.

>>31181880
>basically a mediocre special Weavile with no knock off.
instead it just has boltbeam, disable, wisp, focus blast and a usable off stat. it has knock off as well. :^)

>>31182769
>I was going to say Lunala because personally I felt it's two 4x weaknesses to pretty common typings was pretty bad but I guess he's good enough to be A-.
and you're a retard if you thought that, congrats on being a retard.

>>31188336
>...dragons are a wash, really
drampa is so so much better than turtonator it isn't fucking funny. Drampa is actually tearing VGC a new asshole right now even.

>>31189446
Actually, gira-o had an April Fool's joke suspect test a few years back and it was more cancerous than Aegislash. He basically became the P-don of OU.

>Darkrai so low
JUST LET HIM OUT OF UBERS REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>31189588
fuck no

>>31189585
exactly, that was a subtle way of saying "none of them"

So where would Marshadow be ranked?

>>31189624
He got literally neutered by the dark void nerf, and the fact he needs focus blast for coverage makes him an ultimate gambling machine.
>bug used leech life
It's a luck-dependent glass cannon.

>>31189717
Marshadow would be BL at best desu

>>31189717
C something.
On one hand, it shits on lunala, arceus and giratina.
On the other its slower than mega gar and incredibly easy to wall.

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>>31189717
Really makes one think.

>>31190071
Was this with or without death orb?

>>31190167
with of course, but it could conceivably go band or scarf too.

>>31181058
Why is Ho-Oh so high up? I love it but Idk why.

I don't play comp so I'm curious

>>31189581
So another thing Sun got fucked over in.
Even the thing I thought was equal was bad for Sun. Holy fuck.
Why did it end up so fucking lopsided?

>>31190277
Regenerator, unwallable STABs except for Rockceus, bulk that pretty much prevents much from threatening an ohko, and the relative ease rocks can be removed in ubers.

>>31190420
Oh shit I forgot it gets Regenerator in DR. Yeah now I see it.

>>31181058
>B-but muh Psychic/Ghost type will make Lunala OU at best.
Anyway, what happened to Yveltal? It was low Uber but not much changed for it right?

>>31186686
>Tfw zebstrika is so shit it doesn't even get remembered
>Tfw it was on my team on my first bw run

>>31183286
>mobile
Well theres yer problem nigga

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>>31185614
>When an allied Pokémon faints in battle, a Pokémon with Power of Alchemy as its Ability will gain the fainted Pokémon's Ability in place of its own.

Please think before you speak

>>31186808
>what is pikachu

>darkrai in B rank
HAHAHAHAH

>>31191416
>Volt Tackle
>Good
You should have said Sonichu

>>31188336
Moon does not have better colors, pink and beige are the GOAT my dude you can slap that shit onto anything and it looks good!