After a month, what is the worst Alolamon in competitive battles?

>>31165984
Gumshoos and Raticate are ass

Lurantis?

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>>31165984
cosmog

Out of all the fully evolved? That ice crab or the early rodents...or that non totem mantis

all of the shitmons in alola, and you open your thread with one of the few competent ones? what the fuck are you doing, OP

>>31165984
>implying komala isn't gonna be top tier UU

Got to 47 in Battle Tree with him
Would switch him in on mons that actively used status and would laugh as the AI shits itself

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>>31165984
>Talks about shitmons
>Posts Komala of all things
What the fuck are you doing OP? Do you possess a mental deficiency?

>>31166174
>>31166194
>>31166220
>>31166284

I was just baiting anons.
Its the last time :(

Everything seems to beat vikavolt

>>31165984
How does the Koala work anyway? never used it

>>31166174
This. Immune to status, spinner, sucker punch in case opponent has ghost, and yawn, as well as the stockpile cancer

>>31166298
Has good special bulk and actually hits REALLY hard, plus status doesnt work on it aside from sleep, so it actually really helps out those shitty status mons and almost negates lum berry
Its a good status killer

>>31166298
>sleep status at all times except you can still attack
>aka can't be paralyzed, burned, etc
>spam moves with 115 attack

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>>31166362
>115

>>31166322
>spinner
>inmune to status

>>31166298
Its an Offensive Spinner immune to every status and packs a wallop from 115 attack complimented with great movepool. SD, Sucker Punch, Play Rough, EQ, etc. Defense and Speed could be better, but still gets the job done.

>>31166450
Yeah, Komala is better than anyone thought it'd be. It isn't amazing, but it's still pretty good.

Rapid Spin and Wish are good for support, and Comatose is a great ability. Not much else is there, but Komala is still pretty tight for what it is

>>31166465
Komala is going to be a staple on every team its tier is

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So a Komala thread?

>>31166482
>not much else is there

115 attack, immune to status, and great move pool isn't enough?

Yeah it's not OU but it's a lot better than you're giving it credit for

>>31165984
Reminder this thing has higher Attack than the pseudo-legendary of its own generation

My shiny Komala has brave nature(+atk -spd). What EVs/Moves should I give it?

>>31166648
Spin is obligatory, as is Return. You can go Sucker Punch/EQ, Bulk up/EQ or Sucker Punch, or Stockpile/EX or Sucker Punch.
Probably Max Attack and HP.

>>31166648
Wish
U turn
Return
Swords dance/sucker punch

Since its slow you can use wish, tank a hit use u turn and switch into a low health teammate without fear of it being hit on the switch

>>31166707
Not him but would play rough be good on him too?

>>31166733
Not really. That's minimal coverage and low accuracy and no stab and no priority

>>31165984
Oricorio

>>31166752
Thanks. I thought breeding him with play rough would be good overage for him given his attack but I'll give your set a try

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ITT: Post Pokemon that are weaker than komala attack wise. I'll start

>>31166733
>>31166720
I can't give it Wish or Play Rough since those are egg moves and I just got this shiny after hatching 7 eggs trying to get a decent natured Komala in a nest ball.

>>31165984
Gumshoos. It will never threaten anything out never, and is slow as shit. A shame, because detectivemon is cool.

>>31166802
If he's brave (low in speed) he's a better wish passer support beast
Adamant is better bulk up tank

>>31166342
>>31166362
>115 attack

what is that fucking log made of

>>31167004
Wood.

HARD wood.

>>31166852
If we include a-forms, raticate is worse. A damn shame his stats got so fucked up.

>>31167004
the vanquished spirits of enemies

>>31166758
Oricorio is fun in doubles as a gimmick mon, and pretty good to use in-game. In singles it does suck though.

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>>31166819

Pyukumuku

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>>31166819
fuck

>>31167152
>Pyukumuku
>worse than Alolan Raticate and Gumshoos
no

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>>31166819

>>31167152
Its funny watch your enemies crawling for its lifes

>>31167171
>Komala: 115 attack
>Kommo-o: 110 attack
5 POINTS OFF

>>31167152
You can go fuck yourself.

>baton pass + boosting moves
>high defenses and stauses
>recover
>soak
>safeguard

>>31167171
>>31167212
suicide watch

>>31167212
>>31167171

I'm really conflicted about kommo... He's a mediocre mixed attacker but if he gets shell smash he'd be one of the deadliest mixed attackers and that's not even accounting for his one of 3 abilities that make him immune to a wide variety of moves

>>31167301
Why people think this thing will get Shell Smash?

>>31167324
Battle tree kommo has It, which proves kommo was going to get it until a last minute gamefreak change

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On a different subject, what alola pokemon are actually better than what people give/gave them credit for?

>>31167369
Only thing this Pokemon has going for it is a priority rock move.

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>>31167369
Araquanid.

I don't think a single person in the entire world would have ever predicted Water Bubble's hidden third effect.

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>>31167396
>mfw if anyone said before the discovery that water bubble was huge power for water moves they wouldve been laughed off the board

>>31167113
Lackluster stats, no secondary STAB to work with, ability that doesn't come into play most of the time.

It's by far the worst alola mon.

>>31167301
>>31167324
>>31167353
if you think about ever user of Shell Smash, Kommo-o getting it would be absolutely terrifying

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>>31167389
>accelerock

Pssh please. No guard in battle tree doubles is magic.

>>31167353
Wait until move tutors are patched in. Screencap this.

>>31167424
Tbh anytime I ever see a shell smash user I immediately try to kill it anyway possible because shell smash makes nearly all of its users into a killing machine

>>31167424
>Kommo-o used Shell Smash! Its defense fell! Is special defense fell!
> Kommo-o used Close Combat! Its defense fell! Its special defense fell!
> Kommo-o used Clanging Scales! Its defense fell!

Seems like it could be balanced.

>>31167396
I can't believe they rolled 3 different abilities into one.

>>31167509
>is it a good idea for us to just invalidate waterveil's existence?
>Sure this is completely fine.

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>>31167442
No guard mutt with Dynamic/Cross chop, Head smash, Iron Tail, and Mega Horn

Gamefreak please....

>>31167509
Me neither, anon
>>31167539
Out of curiosity, are there any other abilities that 100% outclass other abilities?

>>31166220
Espeon is far superior for that

>>31167592
Emergency exit

>>31167589
>Megahorn
pretty sure that's just hair with a rock in it, anon

>>31167504
For some reason they didn't give it Close Combat. Sky Uppercut is it's strongest physical Fighting STAB.
>Seems like it could be balanced.
It would, although Tapu Lele's ability shuts down any grounded priority users. So Acrobatics Talonflame would be our only savor.

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>>31167611
So? Didn't stop Absol and Samurott.

>>31167592
Tough Claws not only encompasses every move that Iron Fist does and more, but grants a bigger bonus.

>>31167649
Why the fuck isn't Iron Fist a 50% boost like Strong Jaws?

>>31167624
Ok, no. I gotta draw the line there.
Absol has and always will have that big scythe on its head, and Samurott has an actual horn on its helmet.

Midnight form Lycanroc just has a large piece of forward facing hair with a rock in it.

>>31167672
Because conkeldurr

>>31167419
Revelation Dance is the secondary STAB

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>>31167624
>Samurott
It's helmet has a horn. Just like actual samurai helmets.

>>31167686
and what else?

>>31167592
adaptability vs huge/pure power?

>>31167592
Illuminate increases wild encounter rate, which Arena Trap does as well, along with it's in-battle effect.

>>31167686
Primary STAB I mean.

>>31167706
Not exactly, since Huge Power only works on the physical side

>>31167706
Adaptability works on special attacks, not just physical, so it's not completely outclassed.

>>31167706
Not really because Adaptability boosts special moves as well

>>31167592
I want so say Multiscale vs Marvel Scale

Multitype vs RKS system since the plates offer a 20% bonus

Primordial sea, Desolate land, and Delta stream vs drizzle, drought, and cloud nine but that's to be expected.

Color change vs protean

>>31167704
>90 Power
What else do you need?

It's already as strong as Flamethrower, Thunder Bolt and Psychic

it's even stronger than Shadow Ball for Ghost Form

>>31167592
Keen Eye, Hyper Cutter and Big Pecks are outclassed by Full Metal Body and Clear Body.
Moxie is outclassed by Beast Boost and Soul-Heart.
Leaf Guard, Immunity and Magma Armor are outclassed by Comatose.
Pickocket is outclassed by Magician.

BTW, I've just found out that Normalize was buffed this gen.

>>31167674
Pretty sure that rock grows from its head but I concede.
>>31167703
>random shell armor accessories
>can't learn shell smash
>random turtles and huntail/gorebyss
>can learn shell smash

Alolan Raticate
Gumshoos at least has some good abilities and a OK movepool

>>31167754
Oh shit, and delcatty got a speed stat boost too. Might finally be usable in NU now.

Why did they do that to vikavolt...it was the chosen one!

>>31167754
Moxie and Soul-Heart affect different fixed stats, so they're not directly outclassed - most pokemon who get Moxie wouldn't want Soul-Heart anyways.
Beast Boost though DOES apply since it's Moxie but customizable (but DOESN'T for Soul-Heart, due to Soul-Heart working when anything faints for any reason not just if the user is the one to do it)
Full Metal Body is better than Clear Body/White Smoke, Shadow Shield is better than Multiscale, and Prism Armor is better than Filter/Solid Rock, since none of the three are affected by Mold Breaker or the Mold Breaker clones while the normal versions ARE.

>>31167754
Does Normalize only affect moves that become Normal, or does it boost Normal moves as well?

>>31167935
Different stat aside, Soul-Heart is direct upgrade to Moxie.
I wasn't aware of Mold Breaker not working on FMB, SS and PA though, thanks.

>>31167982
I think it only affects changed moves. It does according to Serebii.
http://www.serebii.net/abilitydex/normalize.shtml

>>31167935
Prism Armor is better than Filter, but not Solid Rock, since Solid Rock is a larger damage reduction.

>>31167737
>Multiscale vs Marvel Scale
These are entirely different abilities. Multiscale is definitely better, but they aren't the same ability at all.

>>31166758
It's the best doubles baton passer no one uses yet.
Only needing one turn to boost to 4x atk, and being able to pass it the next turn, can be deadly. Pom pom oricorio also packs good densive typing.
I use a quiver dance masquerian beside it, even with it's terrible attacking movepool it works well.

>>31167592
Hydration is much better than leaf gaurd, which sucks because grass types need everything they can get and water types are already everywhere
Plus, having sun up puts grass types at a huge disadvantage for fire attacks, while the only disadvantage for water types with rain is 100% accurate thunder
Grass types really got fucked

>>31167737
>Drizzle, Drought, and Cloud Nine

>>>>Cloud Nine
Congratulations, Mega Rayquaza has a better ability than fucking Golduck. Youre retarded, the ability youre thinking of is Air Lock.
Yes, Air Lock and Cloud Nine do the same thing but C9 is the signature or former signature ability of A FUCKING DUCK.

>>31166298
Choice Band Sleep Talk

>>31166071

>Crabominable

>What is Trick Room

>What is Quick Claw

>>31167935
>Mold Breaker or the Mold Breaker clones
... Turboblaze wont pierce through FMB?

>>31169671
Ok I'll give you trick room
Quick claw though...

>>31167396
>>31167414
What if it turns out, somehow, the coding that halved fire damage received also doubled water damage dealt, and it's a, pun intended, bug which is why the ability doesnt specifically say it does that?

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Reminder that the Pokémon your about to state is %100 supposed to be a gimmick doubles mon

Bonus points for Trick Room

>>31169671
i can't even be bothered to post a bait.png

>>31167592
>Out of curiosity, are there any other abilities that 100% outclass other abilities?
Toxic Boost and Guts
Fur Coat and Fluffy
Wonder Skin and Magic Bounce
Shadow Shield/Full Metal Body are unsuppressable versions of their base abilities, meaning they cannot be suppressed by Mold Breaker, etc.
Protean is a better version of Steelworker for all practical purposes
Shadow Tag and Arena Trap

>>31167152
lol
you obviously haven't encountered one of those little shits on the ladder

>>31169759

>2 of the best ways to fix your speed problem if you don't have priority

>bait

>>31169911
>Protean is a better version of Steelworker for all practical purposes

This isn't really a fair comparison since steelworker simply adds steel stab without changing the type. Color change is an more apt comparison.

>>31165984
Gumshoos. It's a slow, frail attacker that's not even very powerful to make up for it.

>>31169676
No. Full Metal Body, Shadow Shield, and Prism Armor are specifically flagged to ignore anything that would otherwise nullify them, whether Mold Breaker, Turboblaze, or Sunsteel Strike/Moongeist Beam.

>>31169969
color change is a worse comparison since they activate via completely different circumstances

Steelworker is a fine comparison, but it's still lacking. If a pokemon with Steelworker is itself Steel-type, then they would get 1.5x from STAB and 1.5x from Steelworker on all their Steel-type moves.

>>31169949
>Killing yourself is the best way to treat a heart attack if you don't have insurance.

This is you. You are technically correct but can't be bothered to consider how impractical and fucking stupid you are.

>>31167396
What are the effects of water bubble except for powering up water moves?

>>31170119
It's that + heatproof + water veil

>>31170119
Can't be burned.

>>31169671
It just needs trick room support :^)

>>31170135
>>31170129
Fuck,thanks.

>>31165984
>midnight lycanroc is too slow

Shame it doesn't learn a way to double its speed through a TM

OH WAIT

>>31170341
Would be a good argument if it had Metagross tier stats everywhere else. Lycanroc isn't going to OHKO anything and will survive two hits at best.

>>31167152
2/10 bait I replied

>>31167592
Early Bird and Insomnia/Vital Spirit

Gumshoos

there are a lot of trashy Pokemon but Gumshoos is just irredeemably bad

>>31170341
Screw that. Just throw on a scarf and let it spam rock slides/stone edges in battle tree doubles.

>>31170653
I dunno, just giving it Extremespeed would be cool, even if it'd still be bad. Even though I'd say it's slightly better as it is now, Lurantis is way more irredeemable.

>>31170653
Nah Lurantis is worse. Gumshoos is pretty terrible but Stakeout at least gives it potential Red Card meme sets. Everything Lurantis can do is outclassed.

>>31170696
Lurantis has Contrary Leaf Storm and Defog. Gumshoos just has shit stats except attack and even its attack stat isn't that spectacular.

>>31167589
Feels like both Lycanrocs have to suffer just for the sake of differentiation, although Midnight gets the worst of it by far. Combine their stats, better abilities, and unique moves together and you'd have a fairly solid pokemon.

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>>31170773
Nah nah along with the rest of my team helped me hit 100+ wins in the battle tree with no guard. Fuck you ice types, fire types, focus sashs, bright powders and double teamers

>>31170737
I've tried making Gumshoos and Lurantis work and I have to say Gumshoos is much worse. I've been able to pull of a few wins with a Z-sunny day meme set on Lurantis while I just can't get gumshoos to live long enough to even get a hit off.

I feel like people are really shitting on Raticate, he has near perfect offensive coverage and can pull off incredibly strong pursuit traps if you safely switch him in on any ghost or psychic type
Lurantis and Gumshoos are truly garbage though

>>31167004
pure Australium

>>31165984
It's actually a pretty good counter to Toxapex. Carries Rapid Spin, Toxapex cannot poison it, and Wood Hammer deals decent damage. It usually forces it out.

>>31171176
>Wood hammer
EQ does more damage, but your point still stands

>>31167094
I'd advise not getting killed by him

>>31171277
Seems legit

>>31171277
>passimian
But the choice scarf set is good, even in singles.

>>31170108
so a pokemon with mold breaker using low kick or bulldoze wouldn't lower Solgaleo's speed?

>>31171291
Besides from taunt and defiant
passimian just ends up being a worse sawk

>>31169671
Fuck of verlisify

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>>31171277
>turtonator
Decent wall. Fire/dragon is a pretty good defensive type. Not good but I think it still has usability over those others.

>>31171144
Ayy I get it

>>31171144
I kek'd

>>31171176
I tested it, Even when it's no investment neutral nature vs adamant banded: Toxapex just clicks recover and eventually you'll die to your own recoil.

>>31171498
Try EQ. It's super-effective anyways.

>>31167152
They are a pest to take down.
Very fun to use.

I have this on my one
>Toxic
>Protect
>Soak
>Recover

Wait so A-Raticate is really trash? Dude put in a lot of work early on ingame

>look up its stats
wew

What were they thinking?

>>31171594
yes only thing it has over raticate that really matters is stab sucker punch and pursuit

>>31171731
I'd honestly rather have a regular Raticate w/Guts and Flame Orb. At least at that point the Raticate would be immune to statuses and could hit harder with Facade and shit. STAB normal is decent coverage. Sure Rock and Steel resist, and Ghost is immune, but it's hits other shit neutrally.

>>31170594
There's the fringe case of using Rest with Early Bird.

>>31171385
if tortunator had 30-40 more speed bst
it would just be Cloyster/Charizard X Hybrid

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>>31165984
>Slow as shit
>Too fast for Trick Room and that's fucking garbage
>Cucked out of Knock off and Sucker Punch
>Mediocre offenses
>Shitty defensive typing invalidates its bulk
>OHKO'd by shitmons like Spinda
>Is literally just Emboar 2.0 but WORSE

Is there a more JUST fanbase than Littencucks?

>>31170754
180 BP move with no drawbacks isn't that bad though. Especially with meme moves like Z-Yawn

>>31172713
252+ Atk Spinda Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Incineroar: 192-228 (48.7 - 57.8%) -- 96.9% chance to 2HKO

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>>31172713
Crabrawler

>>31172649
This would be relevant if anything with early bird had bulk worth shit

>>31167216
Taunt.

>>31170341
>use rock polish
>die
ok

>>31166720

Would this ge good in doubles?

>>31171277
I fucking hate when game freak makes doubles-specific abilities
I would have loved the hell out of having Receiver get something witj Huge Power/Speed Boost

>>31171277
passimian and turtonator aren't nearly as shit as the others, shit but not that shit.

Passimian hits incredibly hard and has a pretty nice movepool, absolute competition to sawk which tears through NU/RU
Turtonator has a GOAT typing and a 150 BP attack waiting in the wings for any physical attackers. As well as being "fast enough" for low tiers with shell smash, hitting 376 speed timid.

Vikavolt

>>31167737
Actually normal weather have their own use, because hey don't depend on the pokemon being on the field.

>>31167737
Multitype is even better because it works with Z-Crystals too.

>>31173070
Dunno man, Dodrio might be the new stallbreaker of RU.

>>31171144
10/10

>>31166015
>nice try baiting waifufags
>it might even work

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>think i maybe giving up playing hockey

>>31165984
Statusfags btfo

>>31172661
It needs no speed as the shell trap acts imidiately after being hit.

>>31172713
That is what faggots get for not wanting another fire/fighting starter, it would have made him decent in the current state

>>31172713
Also to answer your question: decidufags

>>31173120
i was going to say this

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>>31166819
Kek

>>31171372
>>31170137
>>31170108


Doubles Tactics are a thing

Stop pretending

Trick Room exists for the purpose of slow mons

>>31170108

Whoops, not you, I meant to add>>31170112 to >>31174893

>Strongest Rapid Spin user in the game
>Immune to nearly all status
>Hits like a truck

You first, OP.

>>31173153
Breh vikavolt checks nearly half of the entire physical metagame in ou in its current state, specially kartana

>>31167324
>>31167353
It's an outrage salamence situation

>>31174893
>b-but it's good in doubles!

How many "it's good in doubles" pokemon are actually good in doubles? As far as I can tell, the best pokemon in Doubles OU are generally OU or UU in Singles, while the best ones in VGC are usually the same Megas, Primals, and Battle Spot Singles mons. Trick Room is entirely legitimate, your "Doubles Only" shitmons are not. The only one of these pokemon I can name off the top of my head that are actually fucking good in doubles is Clefairy, which we all know is shit, but Friend Guard is just that good.

>>31175725
>Komala's 115 attack is higher than Excadrill's 135

sick meme

>>31167784
I think the reason Samurott doesn't get Shell Smash is that it'd logically get weaker instead of stronger if it broke its weapons.

>>31166482
it should have either more hp or def, why some alola mons like toucannon and komala have useless spatk points when the pokemon is clearly meant to be physical

>>31176909
b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but muh 43 speed