>Decidueye has an exclusive ghost-type attack that traps the

Let's be honest, you'd never use it if it was a fairy move anyways because Moonblast is a thing.

>>31130596
Because Water/Fairy is the least shitty typing of the three so they tried to balance it by giving the other two an edge in terms of moves.

>not using scald

>>31130596
>Heals burns
>Doesn't do extra damage to Fire types

>b-b-b-b-b-but it's good in doubles with dry skin toxicroak as a partner just in case it gets burned!

>>31130658
>the other two an edge in terms of moves
and design

>>31130652
This. Moonblast is strong enough already
I'm just mad that Decidueye/Incineroar got Nasty Plot while Primarina just gets work up
Calm mind would be great too, if not a little overpowered

>>31130596
Why does Incineroar have two exclusive moves? Both of which are dark?

>>31132790
Incineroar is the new greninja.

Its a niche move to counter facade flame orb shitters. How you guys still havnt realized this is beyond me.

GF hates Primarina. How have you not figured this out yet? They pretty much designed it to be the worst.

>>31132790
Doesn't sneasel get throat chop as an egg move?

>>31132949
By that logic, gamefreak also hates decidueye and showed incineroar some mercy by giving it intimidate.

>>31132927
Actually decidueye is the new greninja. I know Rowlet's not showing it yet but, when
kukui's torracat goes against ash's rowlet you'll see a change in Rowlet's character. Leading up to ash's pikachu And decidueye vs kukui's lycanroc and incineroar.

>>31132948
Who the fuck even uses a flame orb though? that is FAR too niche to ever be useful, and even if they did they'd just use a toxic orb instead.

>>31133088
Is it confirmed that Kukui gets Litten?

It's also sound-based and hits everyone in Doubles/Royale like Surf does.

>>31130596
Gamefreak are all about gimmicks but sucks when it comes to balance.

>>31130596
None of them has speed

>>31133152
No, Ash is getting Litten. Popplio is the only one who got shit on.

>>31133340
Suiren/Lana will surely evolve her Popplio
Right?
Right???

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>>31133512
Lana gets her boypussy pounded by tranny seal when?

>>31130596
Primarina's attack also hits trough Substitute, so that's helpful

>>31133594
I seriously doubt her Popplio will be a male.

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>>31133647
>anime is canon to the games
If anime bullshit dictated the games, the entire poppilo line would be female only

>>31133679
The anime doesn't dictate the games but the reverse is true as well. That's why we had a female Mewtwo when it's supposed to be genderless. I just say she'd probably have a female because she is a girl herself.

Plus if she does have a male there'd be a new wave of shitposting and Primarina gets more than enough hate already.

>>31133640
Which is super bs from a 'realistic' pov
It isn't really a sound attack, its a water attack with sound used as the method of throwing water

>>31130652
never use sparkling aria because hydro pump

i doubt darkest lariat is worth it compared to crunch and possibly knock off in the future

>>31133640
Oh I am so fucking sick of people trying to say "B-B-BUT IT HITS THROUGH SUBS!" as though subs are that big a deal. They aren't, especially not enough to justify giving it a secondary effect that actually helps the opponent.

>>31133732
Darkest Lariat has a bit more BP than Crunch so it's worth running. But Incineroar missed out on the actual good dark moves like Sucker Punch, Pursuit and Knock Off. No one would use Darkest Lariat otherwise. Decidueye is the only one that lucked out because physical ghost attacks are shit.

>>31130596
Well what would (You) do to make Primarina's signature move not shit?

>>31133968
Not him but make it work kind of like Pollen Puff and heal the ally pokemon a bit instead of healing burns.

>>31133786
Decidueye's signature move is a decent enough physical Ghost move. But Decidueye should be run defensively, anyway.

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>>31133968
Chance to apply Attract status regardless of opponent or user's gender

>>31133088
Ash gets Incineroar confirmed. Don't know what headcanon you're on right now.

>>31133968
at the absolute least have it work like smellingsalts and wake up slap, double power on burned mons.

>>31134033
good thing it has a passable defensive niche in trapping then u turning then.

>>31134038
>attracting others regardless of gender
>Wanting an even bigger shitstorm over primarina than what we have now

>>31132141
>reeee feminine things

>>31134068
He's been posting huge textwalls recently to justify Kukui getting Litten for some reason. Even though it's obvious they're setting up Ash and Litten for some bonding.

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>>31134076
the salt from all sides would be glorious

>>31133088
>Actually decidueye is the new greninja
Not popular enough.

>>31130596
>>Decidueye has an exclusive ghost-type attack that traps the enemy
>>Incineroar has an exclusive dark-type attack that ignores the status changes
>>Primarina has an exclusive water-type attack that ignores Substitutes

FTFY

>>31130596
>Incineroar doesn't get knock off
HAHAHAHAHA

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>>31133088
This meme again.

>>31133234
>Hits through substitute
>Hits everyone on the field
>Heals burns

Okay so it is balanced.

>>31134111
Trips confirm. Delusional owlfags (once again) BTFO.

>>31132141
Ha.

>>31134187
decidueye wont be the next greninja. it will be itself.

but saying that its not popular is actually quite a denial

>>31133647
It's definitely not male Gamefreak is very "No homo"

>>31136001
You do realise the difference between saying it's not popular and it's not popular enough right?
That said Deci isn't as popular as it's prevos by a large main.

>>31136023
yes pardon for the wording. even for the last stage, most of the polls in terms of popularity, or the average google search interest, owl had an edge over the other two. prima wins in the amount of fan art and also rising in popularity.

>>31133088
Nah. Tapu Koko is this gens favored son.

>>31135850
I think the problem is that it has a downside. Neither Spirit Shackle or Darkest Lariat have any downside specific to the move in the same way Sparkling Aria does. Have any sort of downside, even if it's still "balanced" rubs people the wrong way. Now, if it was like Smelling Salts and doubled the damage, or even just did more, if it hit a Pokemon with burn people definitely wouldn't complain about it healing burns.

Some might still complain, I suppose, but it wouldn't get nearly as much of a focus. Losing burns is pretty not attractive.

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>>31135850
That seems to be what they were going for.
It's also the strongest Z-Move of the three.

>>31130596
>Decidueye has an exclusive ghost-type attack that traps the enemy
>A-Marowak has an exclusive ghost-type attack that traps the enemy

wtf how is GF so creative

>>31136112
See, trapping is kind of their specialty.
That's why ghost types are inherently immune to being trapped.

>Incineroar doesn't get Knock off, Sucker Punch and Persuit
>Decidueye has 100 completely useless Special Attack
All the starter got shafted this gen, /vp/, it's not just Primarina

>>31136112
Shadow Bone reduces the opponent's defense, not trap the opponent. I think you meant Dhelmise's Anchor Shot, which is a Steel move.

>>31136170
yes my bad, sometimes i forget Dhelmise even exists

>>31133129

Flame Orb is the new standard.

>>31133594
sauce please god

>>31135488
>>31135850
Stop acting like ignoring subs somehow makes it good. It doesn't. Ignoring subs barely makes it anything. It's still a detrimental move that helps the opponent.

>"Oh hey I have a pokemon on my team that's burned, how about I switch it in on Primarina?"
>"Oh you healed the burn, thanks! Next turn I can kill you in one shot as a result!"
>"OH NO BUT IF I HAD USED A SUB IT'D HAVE HIT THROUGH IT OH HOW HORRIBLE!"

You people are fucking retarded.

>>31133129
Flame orb is standard for guts sets.

>>31136401
Yeah, the drawback is there because it becomes the strongest Z move of the three and that's it.

>>31136523
But it's Z-move isn't even that much stronger than the other two, so you have three or four drawbacks and one positive. That makes for a really shitty move.

>>31136401
>Switching in on Primarina

You better be a very bulky Pokemon specially defensive-wise.

>>31130596
Incineroar actually has 2 signature moves, but nobody uses Throat Chop, kinda like Greninja.

>>31136581
He probably uses Chansey on every team lol

>>31136581
Or it could just be resistant to water. Either way, as long as it survives a hit it's burn would be healed and next turn Primarina would be one-shot.

>>31136604
You have no idea what you're talking about. Basically no pokemon who can resist a move from Primarina can also one shot her.

>>31134083
he means the other two are edgy, not better

>>31136622
Are we talking about competitive UU or ingame?

>>31136636
Competitive UU of course. No wonder she has seen a lot of use there, have you played it at all? Just watch some battle at a decent rating and you'll see her pretty often. Only one I have never seen is Incineroar.

>>31136622
>what are most water, grass or dragon types?
Though actually it doesn't even have to be resistant. It just has to survive one hit and Primarina is dead next turn because it's a slow glass cannon.

>>31136673
That's why I was thinking of pairing it with Serperior to cast the swampy marsh pledge combo.

>>31136673
Yeah like when +1 mega gyarados stays in, earthquakes, Primarina survives and she one shots it. I really like the mentality that "she gets oneshot by everything" actually, a lot of people misplay a lot because of it.

>>31136401
>even running SA on a team that utilizes burns

>>31136690
Doesn't change the fact that Sparkling Aria is a bad move that helps the opponent and should never be used.

>>31136704
>Primarina
>surviving an Earthquake from Mega Gyarados
Only if that Gyarados has shit attack IV/EVs. And even that's a big maybe. Primarina gets one shot by nearly any physical attack. That's why it's RU tier at best.

>>31136720
>+1 252 Atk Mold Breaker Gyarados-Mega Earthquake vs. 168 HP / 0 Def Primarina: 238-281 (69.3 - 81.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>+1
>168 HP

HAHAHAHAHA

252 SpA Choice Specs Primarina Moonblast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Gyarados-Mega: 362-428 (109.3 - 129.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO

She was given a handicap because she was too powerfull.

>>>she

>>31136720
I mean it doesn't surprise me you don't know shit about competitive if you say Primarina will be RU lol
She's the best in singles and Incineroar will be the best in VGC when it gets Intimidate. Owl also has a nice niche and can be used effectively in UU.

>>31136807
No, best in singles is Decidueye. Primarina can't take a hit, gets a bad signature move, has a shitty moveset and a useless hidden ability. It's RU tier m8.

>>31136807
owls niche is ditto tier tbqh, pretty good everywhere but not good enough to warrant it being in higher tiers.
I've seen it used well in ubers, but I can say the same of ditto. Unlike ditto it has actual stats so it isn't going to be that guy in PU that's viable everywhere. More likely RU or NU if the current UU persists.

>>31136830
Sure, keep staying under 1200 or you'll get BTFO by Primarina teams though.

>>31136830
>Primarina can't take a hit

ebin

>>31136720
Ah well, I'd be using water pledge on that set anyway.
Not all signatures can be best in show, I suppose.

>>31136830
>owlfags are this delusional

>>31136830

>primarina cant take a hit

because the owl totally can.

>>31130596
Is Primarina the only starter that runs its non-hidden ability? Liquid Voice is utterly useless, even if you care about subs/accuracy you just use Sparkling Aria, so Liquid Hyper Voice has no reason to exist. Even if it's super niche at least Torrent has an use

It also gets an exclusive ability to compensate, so you can use liquid hyper voice in place of sparkling aria

>>31136942
Liquid Hyper Voice is useful in doubles, since Sparkling Aria hits your ally. It's a really bad ability right now and completely useless in Singles, i just hope Primarina gets Boomburst in the future

>>31136830
it has a shit sig and the rest isn't true, nice try though.

>>31136942
all three gen 7 ones do friend.

Samurott, Empoleon and Swampert generally tend not to run their HA's because they either don't fit the set or they're fucking damp.

>>31136830
Even if that were true Primarina still wouldn't be RU because she'd be too much for that tier.

>>31137047
>all three gen 7 ones do friend.
Only because Incineroar doesn't have Intimidate yet. I'd imagine Decidueye might run Long Reach as well, situational as it is.

>>31137001
>i just hope Primarina gets Boomburst in the future
It'd be nice but I'm not counting on it. Knowing GameFreak they probably think it'd be too overpowered, even though that's probably the only thing that could make LV worthwhile.

>>31130596
Its the whole rpg class thing again
>hunter traps prey
>berserker goes all out and ignores everything else
>healer heals

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/decidueye.3587254/page-12#post-7161859

>>31137184
Healer isn't supposed to heal the opponent though.

>>31136719
This.

Honestly, put Primarina in Doubles with partners with either Water Absorb or (preferably double) Water resistance.

Does Sparkling Aria still suck?

>>31137238
It depends on if the burn heal happens even if absorbed.
Otherwise just use surf.

>>31136830
>bulky special defenses
>only weak to typings that are phisically garbage
>can't take a hit
Love it.

>>31132088
>l-l-l-le stuttering retard!

>>31133340
Decidueye, "not popular anouth" do we have any doctors in here, cuz this man right here is suffering from littensyndrome. What's that. doctors hoots in the bilding. Doctor Hoot this man needs treatment right now.

>>31133594
>no source
>no image results
>following other examples of the image, no one in those threads gives a source either


welp

The z-move you get from Sparkling Aria is stronger than the ones you get from Darkest Lariat and Spirit Shackle, as well as the strongest special move in the game.

>>31133340
Think about it, for there to be a decidueye in smash bros there needs to be one in the anime. If ash gets litten And it turns into it fully evolves into incineroar leaving rowlet a comedy relief backpack Bird then. That wouldn't make to much sense. Cuz if you don't know, ash has too much strong fire and dark types. Charizard,infernape crookadile,greninja. So adding another one would be really redundant if you ask me. And kukui seem to fit incineroar more. Just look at littens eye shape and look at kukui's they seem way too simular to be ignored. And their is a reson why ash didn't catch litten. So kukui can catch it later on the session. And when kukui's torracat meets rowlet for the first time. It starts a quick rivalry. And my be even changes Rowlet's personality. I think that's why rowlet and litten never ment face to face before.

>>31136950
Decidueye HA is a exclusive ability to is line as well

he got both