Pokemon Timeline

>>31102200
nothing since Mega's ruined everything.
I want to go back to the 2nd timeline

>>31102200
this is so wrong i dont even know if its bait

>>31102200
T1 Satoshi era
T2 Masuda era
T3 Ohmori era
Funny enough for all the slick masuda gets his games were the best.

>>31102200
pretty accurate senpai
so everything went right

pokemon ended with BW2.
I hope once we switch to NS we get a new director ohmori is pretty awful.

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>>31102200
>mfw someone actually got the fucking timeline on point.
retards who think its linear should just purge themselves

>>31102383
Ayyyy that little burry

>>31102219
>>31102287
>>31102344
Masuda is a cuck. No matter how much you autists rage we will never go back to second timeline. Stay mad, niggerfaggits.

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>>31102200
> caring about the lore of a japnese game

>>31102407
because xy and oras are better then the worst games of T2?
fuck off shit taster

>>31102200
>muh timelines
Episode Delta was a fucking mistake

Timeline 1= genwunners
Timeline 2= Golden age
Timeline 3= cutscenes/waifu's/0 postgame

>>31102516
THIS

>>31102516
Agreed...

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>>31102516
because T2 had no waifu pandering?

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>>31102516

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>>31102516
they also got rid of mini games.
previous advance/ds gen had a lot more mini games.

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>>31102616
if BW came out in 2015/2016 they wouldnt have censored shit.

>>31102628
I cant wait until we switch to NS and hopefully get a new director.

>>31102200
I've been told before that Japanese series generally don't have a concept of "Canon" and each installment is only meant to be consistent within itself, and can retcon any previous releases.

Pokémon is surely a perfect example of this?

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>>31102817
>I've been told before that Japanese series generally don't have a concept of "Canon" and each installment is only meant to be consistent within itself
I bet you think its always the same link
faggot

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>>31102817
>each installment is only meant to be consistent within itself
> reading comprehension
>what is delta episode

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inb4 retarded faggots say postgame isnt canon

>>31102200
>What went right?
Nothing now kill yourself you faggot.
>>31102953
fuck off postgame isnt canon.

>>31102985
Except you're locked out of the postgame until you complete the Delta episode. So even if postgame isn't canon, the Delta episode still is, fucking retard.

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>there's a timeline in which Kanto pokemon in Alola never adapted and went extinct before the events of Sun/Moon

>>31102516
Agree 100%. As a Genwunner I cannot deny that gen 2 was still fucking amazing. Nothing compares to the love I had for RSE or HGSS. clearly anything after was undeniably shit. Fucking cutscenes.

>>31102953
Fuck me, please god, I want a world where mega evolutions and z moves never existed.

>>31103136
Timeline2 is over.
only megas/ z-moves and other weird ass digimon rip offs from here. cant wait for Z-fusions

>>31103201
>Z-fusions
Fuck, the cancer that gen6/7 gave me just got cancer from thinking about this.

>>31103114
>As a Genwunner
>Nothing compares to the love I had for RSE
what

We need to go back.
The 3DS era is so shallow its not even funny.

>>31102200
So, it's a trilogy.
Timeline 1: Ascension
Timeline 2: Peak and Fall
Timeline 3: Ressurrection

>>31102878
Not him, but I remember people talking about how the LoZ timeline doesn't really makes sense and has some loopholes.

>>31103272
>Timeline 1: Ascension
>Timeline 2: Peak
>Timeline 3: Fall
fixed it for you

>>31103214
There were already fusions in gen5.

>>31103302
that was before the official release in nintendo'' zelda guidebook.
people thought there were only two splits a timeline where link wins or gets defeated and forgot about the timeline link goes back to his childhood

>>31103215
Doesn't genwunner mean you played the greatest generation of pokemon when it first came out? Instead of 12 years later because you're younger than the pokemon franchise itself and thereby should have no opinion anyway?

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>>31102516

>>31102516
pretty much

>>31103256
Amen.
>>31103312
^^
>>31103334
Huh? You mean the legendaries? Sort of kind of. But I'm no fan of gen 5 anyway. Probably my least favorite out of timeline 2.

>>31103334
the three dragons were once one identity.
not really fusion. what I mean is like pikachuxcharizard.

>>31103312
>gen4/5
>peak
Peak of Nintendo's Handheld consoles, but not the pokemon franchise. If you check their rankings, you will see that gen4 and gen5 shamed the name of pokemon by not being one of the most popular games for their console.

>ORAS is the same universe as XY because Megas
"No."

>>31102200
This is incorrect

>>31103435
(dots)
>>31103422
its not like the ds doesnt have a better game library then the 3ds.
pokemon has literally no competition on the 3ds. not even mario. also pokemon go helped a lot.

>>31103435
Um yeah, its the same because of the Delta ending basically explaining why the sequel games are not in the same timeline as the original games. Therefore Red/Blue/Yellow isn't in the same universe as Fire Red and Leaf Green. And ORAS isn't the same as RSE.

>>31102200
why is timeline 3 the best and the only canon?

>>31103461
>also pokemon go helped a lot.
I feel so bad for the people who bought a 3ds just to play S&M and get to see what awful cutscenes, memes, and waifu shit pokemon has become.

>>31103393
>>31103414
It's a canon pokemon fusion, and it is referenced as a fusion many times in the game.

>>31103471
Thanks for making my point for me.

>>31103481
shit b8 0/8 i r8

>>31103461
>pokemon go helped a lot
Oh yeah, I am sure pokemon go helped boost a lot the sales of XY and ORAS.

Where would pokemon GO even fit? would it go on the Destroyed Universe timeline?

>>31103520
read the anons whole post. The 3Ds has barely any good games to offer of course its gonna be number one in sales. also hacking roms during the ds era was much easier.

>>31103543
Well, there are actually quite a lot of timelines, since shit like Pokemon Conquest and Pokemon Mystery Dungeon works on their own timeline.

>>31102200
>>31102200
>implying the events of timeline 2 don't happen and XY comes right after ORAS
>when the other games are referenced several times
>when other games have been officially linked to Gen 6 and 7 games

Fucking retards
Canonfags need to be purged

where does the anime fit in?

>>31103578
this

gens 6 and 7 have innumerable throwbacks to the older games, how anyone could look at the OP image and think "yeah, this is logical" is totally beyond me

>>31103578
>>implying the events of timeline 2 don't happen and XY comes right after ORAS
>>when the other games are referenced several times
>>when other games have been officially linked to Gen 6 and 7 games
the events happened but in a different way you stupid faggot. difference is that in one timeline there is megas and the other there arent. also oras doesnt go direct to xy its just that there are no games yet to fill this place. use your brain next time you illiterate mongol.

>>31102200
I can't believe that the Zelda Timeline is easier to follow than this

>>31103630
>gens 6 and 7 have innumerable throwbacks to the older games, how anyone could look at the OP image and think "yeah, this is logical" is totally beyond me
just because they have similar events doesnt mean they share the same timeline. if the timelines were linear whats the point on having ORAS?
one has megas the other hasnt not so difficult.

>>31103651
>I can't believe that the Zelda Timeline is easier to follow than this
you wish zelda is much more complex you casual.

>XY
>mega evolution is a closely guarded phenomenon not found outside of Kalos
>ORAS
>mega evolution is public knowledge where everyone and their mother can get a keystone
>these take place in the same universe

>>31103114
Genwunner is different from somebody who started with Gen 1/who's favourite gen is Gen 1. Genwunners basically say that RBY was the high point of the series and everything else is crap

>>31103559
This is the weakest excuse I have ever heard. Why did 3DS pokemon could beat 3DS Mario kart in sales, but DS Pokemon couldn't?
Super Mario series sold almost 3 times as much in DS, but pokemon had almost the same sales.

Also, GBA had a shitton of games, but this didn't stop pokemon from being the best selling game for the console.

>>31102200
I thought this shit was pretty clear after the delta episode and the AZ story.
one timeline AZ doesnt use his machine=no megas.
AZ uses machine=megas.
also this>>31102953

>>31103578
>>31103630
There are blank spots you spergs. There's timeline I Kanto(RBY), timeline II Kanto(FrLg), some timeline III Kanto with Megas and so on.

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It's almost as if you retards never bothered to look into the SMT franchise's timeline, where the Multiverse and reincarnation is a canon and frequent thing. The simplest way I can explain it is that every single ending to every game is canon, and that includes "le persona isn't real SMT" and sadly the fanfiction tier writing game known as Persona Q, to give you an idea of the quality of writing compared to the rest of the franchise, even X and Y and FE Fates had better writing, and that makes having to swallow my pride and accept that PQ is canon that much more painful

>>31103648
>the OP image lines up events that take place at the same time
>except when it doesn't
>not putting the older games in the spaces until new ones are actually confirmed, meaning its filled with assumptions
>not having XY next to BW2 despite this being canon, because it goes against your timeline

The image is shit and so are you

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>>31102287
>His games were the best
>All of the good games of his timeline weren't even directed by him

>>31103804
>It's almost as if you retards never bothered to look into the SMT
yes, and never going to bother

>>31102480
ORAS are better than RS though

>>31103854
Good, it would probably be too "le deep and complex for you" even though most games can be simply boiled down to the duality of good and evil and the perseverance of humanity

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>>31102287
Masuda only directed the first two versions for each gen, all third versions and sequels were handled by different people and as we all know third versions are always better than the first two.

>>31103804
PQ was good aside from the flanderization (which even then was tolerable)

>>31103899
People who overcomplicate the pokemon timeline and think Zelda's is hard to follow probably would

>>31103805
>XY next to BW2
No.
AZ machine 3000 years ago triggered the wnergy found in the mega stones.
If xy goes after bw2 that means there should have been mega evolution too which is not the case.

>>31103302
The Zelda timeline makes no sense because Aonuma made like 3 sequels to Ocarina of Time and included the Four Sword games which had fuck all to do with Ocarina

>>31103905
That's what pissed me off the most about it, it made Akihiko worse than Chie with the whole protien and GET SWOLE shit

>>31103924
Stop trying to argue canon events with your headcanon.

There are no natural Megastones in Alola. The back story of XY does not mean Megas will end up in every region

And no matter how incorrect one may think it is, if someone worked in the games and says it is true, it just is. And the XY director said it was true, deleted tweet or no.

>>31103740
>megaevolution
>closely guarded guarded phenomenon
>in any game
(You)

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why is timeline 1 the one and only true one?
I am not a genwunner just telling the truth. Original creator > everyone else

>>31103968
>tweet
can i have a pic please?

>>31102383
>>mfw someone actually got the fucking timeline on point
That's far from on point.
For starters there are only two timelines so far those being the second and third on his image. The first was retconned entirely.
Then there's the fact that it implies none of the Kanto, Johto, Sinnoh and Unova events occur in the third timeline when we know otherwise due to references in all three games.

>>31104002
Timeline1: Original
TImeline2: Edgy
Timeline3: Laidback

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>>31104011
he is talking about this tweet which was proven wrong by japanese people on twitter and it had to be taken down.
and now some faggots still think its true.

>>31103302
>and has some loopholes.
And yet when you ask no one has any beyond
>Link just can't lose!

>Brendan and Calem can even use the PSS to trade pokemon or battling
>d-different universes, I swear!


>>31104011
The tweet is pointless because doesn't mention different universes, this faggot >>31103968 is just too retarded to understand how works
BW happen in year X in universe 2, BW2 happen in year X+2 in universe 2 and XY (in year X+2 too) in universe 3

>>31104076
>it implies none of the Kanto, Johto, Sinnoh and Unova events occur in the third timeline
Just because there isn't a game for the other regions in the third timeline, it doesn't mean they don't exist. It would only prove anything, if they mentioned something that couldn't have happened in the third timeilne.

>>31104107
>proven wrong by Japanese people in twitter
>source: your smelly ass

>>31104107
this shit was already proven wrong.
OP pic is right.

>>31103372
Genwunner means that you were a fad "90s" kid that idolizes the game without question regardless of it's many, many glaring flaws and basically denounces the other generations. Special exception to gen 2 because many genwunners can't differentiate 1 and 2.

Basically all of the names we have like Sinnohfetus and Alolasome are used to refer to the fanboys.

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>>31102200
Reminder.

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>>31104147
>no argument

>>31104140
>the tweet has a secret other layer that I know was intended by the person who made it


>>31104167
Thank you

>>31104181
I should argue a baseless statement? Its impossible to prove or disprove that you didn't just make that up

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>>31104147
>still thinking an outdated thread that got backlash from fans and proven wrong is still right
here is your (dots)

>>31102200
I thought there were only two timelines?

>>31104237
if the tweet wasnt deleted I could have showed you the tweets but even then you wouldnt have believed me translations.
you stupid faggot

>>31103740
>>mega evolution is a closely guarded phenomenon not found outside of Kalos
There is literally a giant tower erected well before the start of this timeline dedicated to it that the public can enter freely. People from around the world come there to learn about mega evolution.

Korrina and her family are also known as the mega evolution expert.

Who on earth was the retard that said it was a closely guarded secret found only in Kalos?

>>31104167
First needs to be RB and GSC, not FRLG and HGSS.

>>31104244
There is literally nothing that proves the tweet wrong

>>31104244
>that got backlash from fans
Which never happened.
>and proven wrong is still right
Which again never happened in fact it's supported by scenes and references made throughout the game.

>>31104268
>I have no evidence but if I did you wouldn't believe it I swear
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>>31104213
>secret layer
Holy shit how dense you can be? There's no layers, he's just a man putting the games in order, (You) are who believe he was talking about different universes to still denying the fact that multiverse is already canon. Keep crying if you don't like it but doesn't change anything, there's different universes and XY and BW2 aren't in the same

>>31104324
>Which again never happened in fact it's supported by scenes and references made throughout the game.
no it isnt.
zinnia explicitly says there is a world where mega evolution does not exist.
if they were linked together then how is it that other regions dont have megas?
Also rse references come back in bw2.

>>31102914
>>what is delta episode
A massive fucking mistake is what.

>>31104450
>delta episode goes against my headcanon, therefore it's a mistake

>>31104408
>zinnia explicitly says there is a world where mega evolution does not exist.
Which means the defining factor that sets them apart is mega evolution not that there's a difference in major events or placement in the timeline.

>if they were linked together then how is it that other regions dont have megas?
No one is saying the two obviously separate universes are linked you idiots. Just that all of the events still occur in the same place.
Meaning there's a timeline 2 version of XY without megas in the same way ORAS is a megaverse counterpart to RS. Understand?

>Also rse references come back in bw2.
Yes?
How does that change anything being said here?

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>>31104499
>double dubs of truth
This thread just went from shit thread to best thread

>>31104528
you fucking sperg.
I agree that the events from previous games still count. the difference is that there were no megas in one.
OP didnt put the other games there because there is no versions of them with megas yet but the events still happened.

>>31104540
>sperging out this much over dubs

Kys underage

>>31104596
Then you put a placeholder there and put the games in their correct places you dumbass.

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Isn't Gen I also a separate from the others considering dark and steel did not exist and therefore magnemite was a mono electric rather than electric/steel and some moves(like bite) being retconned to other typings?

>>31102200
The PokeSpe timeline makes more sense than the main game's timeline

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>>31104674
just for you autistic sperg who didnt got it.
use your brain next time

>>31104744
I think you may be the single most retarded person currently posting.

>>31104703
doesn't discovered =/= doesn't exist

Gen 1 and Gen 2 are clearly in the same universe, they also share technology etc (If separates all games in those three universe you can even see a natural progression here)

>>31104727
Not really because everything comes after each other regardless.

>>31104776
nice projection faggot.

>>31104794
>Not really because everything comes after each other regardless.
no

>actually caring about timelines and muh canon
only zeldafags are worse than you guys

>>31102200
>Red looks like more of a faggot each time
Why the fuck did Pokemon abandon all of its style? Current official art looks like glossy MLP garbage.

>>31104810
You don't even know what projecting means in that context, do you.

>>31104776
there is nothing wrong.
the blank is just going to be filled with future remakes that we are going to get.

Reminder there is no timeline and GF was just making shit up and making references to other regions as they went along and had no grand design or plan. This is a shit franchise.

"Different timelines." Holy shit. Another reminder any franchise that chalks up inconsistencies in their games to "different timelines" is simply a fucking shit franchise.

>>31104929
And yet there is a very clear timeline that's been consistent throughout the games.
Not to mention there was no actual need to explain anything through different timelines and that was just something they decided to throw in as opposed to using it to explain any inconsistencies.

>>31102200
timeline 2= best timeline

>>31104787
>doesn't discovered =/= doesn't exist
What the fuck.
In gen I bite does not damage ghosts since it's a normal type move, but in gen II it is super-effective since it's dark type. How is this shit supposed to work, nobody ever used bite on ghosts in that timeline?

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>>31104881
>they made red look fashinable so he's homosexual

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>>31102200
Nothing, they nutted up early in gen 4 when they had you catching the end all be all gods of pokemon. They'll never be able to top that so instead of going forwards, they're going sideways which is why we're getting alt universes and ultra dimensions and such. They did it right in gen 3 remakes because these are true retcons, but oras/xy straight up imply the previous games take place in a another universe.

I mean fuck, they introduced time travel back in gen 2 with celebi, but they at least had the sense to leave it in the background. Then comes Gen 4 remakes where they fucked up and had you go back in time by a few weeks using celebi to prevent Giovanni from coming back during rockets radio tower take over (as opposed to him pretty much ignoring their bullshit) because they clearly don't give a fuck and lack any sense of tact and nuance.

tl;dr Alternate universes and time travel are bottom of the barrel plot devices and Gen 4 was a mistake writing wise.

>>31104794
Pokémon Adventures only has one timeline which is why it makes more sense

>>31102817
This is 100% correct, the only canon pokemon timeline is pure headcanon. There's no overarching timeline, just references to previous game's characters and plots.

>>31104999
You honestly think multiple timelines is where the timeline messed up don't you.

>>31104999
>Pokémon Adventures
is not canon so who cares.
kris => lyra in there

>>31102817
>I've been told before that Japanese series generally don't have a concept of "Canon"
Yeah that's just some bullshit someone made up when things didn't fit their headcanon.

On the contrary the Japanese have a boner for consistent and ongoing storytelling. Which is why you don't see many series that have stand alone adventures in things like anime and what not.

>>31105028
No, not really

>>31104976
>mechanics
Not an argument

Water Shuriken makes physical damage in Gen 6 but special damage in Gen 7, are two different Water Shuriken from different universes? Nope

>>31104744
Thanks

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>>31104999
>Pokémon Adventures
>making sense

>>31104703
No, they're sort of just retconned out of existence. So far, we have been given no reason to believe they are in an universe of their own.

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you guys are looking for >deepest lore in a series for children
the games are not supposed to have a rock solid background, of course there's gonna be plotholes and stupid shit
you're looking for things that aren't there and it's obviously making some of you very frustrated

>>31105127
>Not an argument
Because?
>are two different Water Shuriken from different universes? Nope
Why not?

>>31105224
>why not
Are you serious, anon..?

>>31105224
Because mechanics have no such effect on the lore/story/universe.
Which is why Escavalier can fly at high speeds despite being one of the slowest pokemon and not a flying type.

>>31102200
there are some faggots who still think pokemon's story is linear.

>>31105219
There are no plotholes, or some "deepest" level lore.
One game takes place after another. Because Megas became a thing, they made another universe, one where Megas didn't exist.

That's it. Even kids can understand it. It's just autists trying to sound smart that are arguing about it in this thread.

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>>31105269
>Because mechanics have no such effect on the lore/story/universe.
Unless that mechanic is Mega evolution

>>31105224
So... if I transfer my starter Greninja from XY to SM, his Water Shuriken still physical? No, because changes in types and categories are simply retcons

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>>31102200
>>31104107
>>31104167
>>31104744
So, one thing everyone seems to agree on is that the events in Hoenn took place around the same time as the ones in Kanto?

Huh, kind of weird to think about, really.

I used to think of each Gen as taking place one after the other.

>>31104988
>white T
>pink hat
>clothes don't fit
Yeah he looks /f/ as fuck! Looks like he's wearing the same clothes he wore in RBY. Looks like fucking Timmy Turner.

>>31105434
no because it got stated in the fucking game. "delta episode"
retard

>>31104953
>a very clear timeline
>this thread exists

>>31105442
The whole point of Sevii islands quest in FRLG is link Kanto and Hoenn region, anon. Of course RSE and FRLG took places at same time

>>31105512
Very clear timelines don't unfortunately prevent the existence of those who lack common reading abilities.

>>31105468
II might have bad memory, but I don't recall anybody mentioning how many alternative timelines exist.

>>31105561
Can you elaborate, please? I've never actually bothered with the Sevii Islands, so this is the first I'm hearing of this.

>>31103114
Fucking this. Pokémon is a game series about catching and training monsters. If these niggers want a """""story""""", then they can go fuck off and read a book instead.

>>31105626
>If these niggers want a """""story""""", then they can go fuck off and read a book instead.
I bet you think rby is the best pokemon games because there is no plot

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>>31105626
this is ironic, right?

>>31105597
at least 2
one with mega and one without.
have you even played oras?

>>31105569
It's all random mishmoshed crap. No "timeline"

Most you'll get are references to other games, but no real continuity.

>where the fuck was Rayquaza any time the world was in jeopardy
>haha I don't really know
Retard. We're all laughing at you.

>>31105626
Unfortunately video games are both an action and text based medium where stories are often used. Of course you could always go back to Atari games if you want nothing else but the bare essentials.

>>31102200
second timeline > first timeline > third timeline

>>31105726
>Most you'll get are references to other games, but no real continuity.
That all come together and form a timeline consistent across the games. What aren't you getting here?

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>>31102200

>>31105694
My point is that "at least". There is a timeline where the pokeyman universe has the mechanic of megas and timeline without them, so what contradicts a possibility of a timeline with abilities and one without them, a timeline with electric/steel magnemites and one with mono electric magnemites etc?

>>31105804
because see>>31102953
megas are not just a battle mechanic.
its a part of the plot. water shuriken being special move is not relevant to the fucking plot.

>>31105804
The fact that megas are an artificially born mechanism.
Abilities and typing on the other hand are completely natural. Trying to say otherwise would mean that pokemon suddenly took to a new evolutionary path and evolved away certain abilities and types in the course of 3000 years seeing as everything before the war was the same in both timelines.

From what I can gather, there's only one statement about the timelines from the ORAS postgame, right?
So that means there are two timelines existing at the same time, one with megas and one without.
Right? Then what makes people think there's a third?

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>>31105611
sevii islands feature a little post game mini quest about finding a ruby stone and a sapphire stone that some guy needs to power up his super wifi so he can connect with hoenn region.

Its entire purpose is to allow trading between r/s and frlg on the remakes side since they didn't want players trading over hoenn pokemon the moment they got to viridian city.

>>31106021
They just want to place RBY and GSC somewhere.

>>31106021
because the game boy games exist even if nobody likes them.
an exemple as to why they are not the same as the remakes is that red has an espeon instead of a lapras.

>>31106084
>because the game boy games exist even if nobody likes them.
They exist physically but story wise they've been retconned out by their remakes.

>>31106100
>They exist physically but story wise they've been retconned out by their remakes.
kris is canon.
they exist in a different timeline

>>31105846
>its a part of the plot
That would mean an existence of a timeline would depend how much do they stress the importance of a mechanic, so if they remade RBY in gen V while making eg. hidden abilities plot-relevant, then it would be separate from previous gens while it being irrelevant to the plot still maintain it in the same timeline.

>>31105884
>Trying to say otherwise would mean that pokemon suddenly took to a new evolutionary path and evolved away certain abilities and types in the course of 3000 years
Could happen as well.

>>31106159
>they exist in a different timeline
A timeline that has since been retconned out of existence.

I honestly felt like XY could've been a part of the normal timeline, but ORAS screwed that up.

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>>31106181
>since been retconned out of existence.
take that back you fucker.
thats also why we got rby for 3ds and tradeable with sun and moon?

>>31106084
>>31106075
And what's wrong with including gen 1 and 2?

>>31106229
>thats also why we got rby for 3ds and tradeable with sun and moon?
How does a mechanic make it canon exactly?

>>31106223
>I honestly felt like XY could've been a part of the normal timeline, but ORAS screwed that up.
no then xy would have a plothole to the other games.

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>>31106229
Did you know? You can actually get Pokemon caught by Leaf in FRLG. What about her? Is she also canon?

>>31106260
how does a remake make it non existant?
dont tell me you one of those fuckers who thinks that the megaverse is the sole canon now?

>>31106223
That would have made a fairly large mess of things.
Like why are we only just hearing about mega evolution despite it being around and practiced for more than 1000 years

>>31106288
this whole red vs gold bullshit was a mistake.

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>GF created a multiverse just to justify megastones being in a remake

Leave it to japan to take a simple concept and execute it in the most ass backwards, over the top, asinine way possible. Shit like this is why japanese gaming is on life support.

>>31106336
no japanese gaming industry is on life support because they are cheap motherfuckers who can't porgramm with the current engine.
ff15 was buggier then final fantasy 6 for the snes. Looked like a ps3 game too.

>>31106336
To be fair, they were originally going to make Megas just a newly discovered thing, as it was implied in XY. But then came making ORAS, and they needed Megas to be included in it. That fucked things up.

>>31106289
>how does a remake make it non existant?
Because said remake retcons the previous iteration anon. The only one that doesn't is ORAS due to it establishing the two timelines.

>dont tell me you one of those fuckers who thinks that the megaverse is the sole canon now?
Are you being purposely obtuse?

There are only two timelines
FRLG/RSE > HGSS/DPPt > BW > BW2/XY > SM
And then the above but set in the mega verse.

There's literally nothing that suggests a third timeline.

>>31106377
>To be fair, they were originally going to make Megas just a newly discovered thing, as it was implied in XY.
Did you even play XY?
It's been around and public knowledge for at least 1000 years. The Tower of Mastery is literally a tower dedicated to mega evolution.
It was never a "newly discovered thing" outside of the marketing. In the same way they implied UBs were separate entities from Pokemon.

>>31106377
>That fucked things up.
>doesn't contradict anything
>fucked things up
what

Once again Zinnia has proven she is fucking terrible.

>>31106561
why?
because your headcanon got debunked?
inconsistencies started with xy

I can't believe there are so many people in this thread that think the multiverse theory is the same as alternate timelines

>>31106411
>a new kind of Evolution that occurs in battle!
Just going by what Sycamore said. Either he thinks 1000 years are nothing, or he's retarded. Possibly both.

>>31106496
It does, though. Sycamore, the great Professor who studies Mega Evolution, said it only occurs in Kalos. The next game is set in Hoenn, at least 8 years prior to that, and the Champion of Hoenn uses a Mega.

>And why are there examples of Mega Evolution only in the Kalos region?

>>31106561
You mean she's proven how retarded this fanbase is.
You'd think a simple fork in the road would be easy enough to understand but no there's people like OP who like to over complicate things

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>>31106377
>But then came making ORAS, and they needed Megas to be included in it. That fucked things up.

They could have just shoved the mega bracelet into your inventory post game along with a throwaway line like they did the orbs in b/w, and pretty much every other myth pokemon item in every generation after their debut.

>>31106496
>mega stone is a kalos original
>except now they're in hoenn region too which takes place X years ago
>uhh shit, create a new universe where this doesn't seem like an asspull

I think thats what he was saying

I like to think about timelines in this way

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>>31106662
forget pic rel

Lol you guys are more autistic then /a/ trying to figure out the difference between alternate timelines and universes in dragonball super.

>>31106691
holy shit no.
you mix timelines with universes

>>31106608
Considering Sycamore is the only person to ever say it occurs in Kalos and thinks 1000+ years is a recent discovery I would take his words with a grain of salt. He doesn't really seem that reliable.

Of course this line
>And why are there examples of Mega Evolution only in the Kalos region?
Could also be interpreted as certain types only existing there.

Come to think of it, what is that line in the japanese version? If it doesn't imply Kalos only then it's a simple localization mistake.

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>>31106691
>The autism in this post

>>31106691
>Including hypothetical games

I fucking hope we get a Platinum remake instead of two versions just to shit on Patternfags. Besides, it's been confirmed Origin World is canon

>>31106597
If she did not mention anything about timelines, then we could just treat megas in Hoenn as yet another inconsistent asspull by GF, instead we get spergs on /vp/ making threads about multiverses.

>>31106745
Not sure about the games, but in the anime at least, it is the same. Sycamore acts like Mega Evolution is a Kalos exclusive thing.

>>31106691
This is what I mean, why do idiots like you feel the need to over complicate things?

There's literally only two timelines.
One with Mega evolution
And one without it.

>>31106798
well in the anime ash has been 10 years old for 20 years now.

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>>31106719
I should go to sleep. Fixed

>>31106798
>>31106857
That and by that point it's been shown outside of Kalos in the Mewtwo movie.

>>31106857
But they got their source from somewhere, at least. If not, they wouldn't have to call it a Kalos exclusive thing.

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>>31106874
>>31106691
>>31106874
holy shit, now it's fine

>>31106891
>But they got their source from somewhere, at least.
That source may not be GF but rather TPC.

Which is why we need to know what that line said in the japanese version of the game to find out.

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>>31106691
>Looker is secretly Raidou Kuzunoha/Stephen in disguise
>Brought Anabel because of her potential to be a Messiah
>Through either his interference or the actions of PC and mega evolutions, emerald split into two different timelines (ORAS)
>By SM the UBs spawn from the Axiom in an attempt to restore the natural cycle of death and rebirth of universes
>Zinnia was likely the original Faller that got eaten but a Guzzlord and is now removed from the Axiom's cycle of reincarnation
As fucking retarded as this image is, with the vibes that Lusamine fusing with a Nighilego gave me, I'm willing to take this Raidou Looker timeline as personal headcanon

>>31106874
>>31106914
still wrong.
pokemon origins=oras →sinnoh remakes=pokemon origins2→BW with megas →xy →SM

Let's hope that by 2026 pokemon XY remakes retcon the Kalos exclusivity of megas and Nintendo hires an assassin to murder OP.

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>>31107015
Forgot to include this, but even though this timeline is two years out of date, and as such does not account for SMTIVA, your timeline doesn't have shit unless you somehow find a way that accounts for spinoff series

>>31106914
you overhtinking it way too much.
looker will be explained in the sinnoh remakes and anabel will appear in the battle frontier.
> but gf said no bf
gf also said customisation was kalos exclusive. oras was rushed the interview was full of excuses.

>>31106914
Still doesn't account for what happens to the origin timelines, my only guess is that eventually, the world becomes basically Twisted Tokyo from SMTIVA, which is basically the Distortion World, and the remnants of the old world party with Giratina for the rest of eternity or until the respective timeline is restarted

>>31105884
>Trying to say otherwise would mean that pokemon suddenly took to a new evolutionary path and evolved away certain abilities and types in the course of 3000 years seeing as everything before the war was the same in both timelines.
If there's a timeline where AZ used the machine and a timeline where he didn't, then why isn't there a timeline where Pidgeys goes on doing Pidgey shit and a timeline where they go to Alola, get giant legs and a really long beak?

This is the problem you have when you start fucking around with timelines. Literally everything in the game is subject to change due to another timeline change.

>>31107417
because those pidgey bullshit has no impact to the world of pokemon.

>>31102200
The second timeline and the third should be the same except that only the third had megas and z-moves.

>>31107501
thats what is depicted dumbass.

>>31107417
>This is the problem you have when you start fucking around with timelines. Literally everything in the game is subject to change due to another timeline change.
That's only if you follow your own rules and not the rules of the series.

Pokemon basically works on a branching timeline in the sense that there was one singular timeline, an event occurred and then there were two.
Unless specifically stated otherwise there are no other timelines.

>>31107530
>that's what's depicted
>third doesn't match second and has XY in the same period as GSC and SM with BW

>>31106290
>>31106266
It'd be fine if they made it so that Mega Evolution could only be practiced inside Kalos because of a special energy field absorbed by the continent when the weapon was fired and by making it incredibly rare and difficult to perform storywise.

That way they could make nods to it in remakes of previous game where, instead of it just being "cool things on display" in some rich NPCs house, it could be an incredibly expensive but ultimately worthless to them Mega Stone.

They could even include Megas in other games with that explanation if they REALLY needed to, but only for places like Battle Resorts and competitive. All they'd need to do would say that the inventor character of the current gen came up with a way to make the insides of their battle arena give off the same energy field as the absorbed continent of Kalos. Whether that's by magical science bullshit (I've found a way to convert and infuse regular material into material that gives of THE SAME WAVELENGTHS OF ENERGY that were absorbed by the Ancient Weapon in Kalos!) or by literally just bringing over chunks of Kalos stone and building with that or something.

>>31107554
you fucking idiot
see>>31104744
thats how its meant to be read of you aint too retarded

>>31107595
You know someone's retarded when they make up something that's worse than an alternate timeline.

>>31107595
why does it matter?
can't you deal with the fact that pokemon got retconned

>>31107640
>I'm not the one who made it wrong...
>Y-you're retarded!

>>31107695
I am not OP.
Just saying that its pretty clear if you aint an inbred redneck.

>>31107640
>how it's meant to be read is how it ISN'T shown
Not him but are you stupid or something?

>>31107534
That's not what I'm saying at all, I'm saying that Pokemon as it is now is entirely subject to change based off the whims of the devs as to whether or not they want to do something that completely fucks up the timeline again.

For example, with GF announced their intent to nix the addition of new MEs but seems they will still include them in future games as evidenced by SM. What needs to be asked next, then, is if Z-Moves are SM exclusive, or if they'll also carry over to new games.

If they'll carry over then if there's a remake of, since everyone's going on about it, DPPt, we'll get MEs and Z-Moves. That means that DPPt is now in the SM universe. But XY and ORAS, who're both without Z-moves also reside in the Mega universe, but lack an important mechanic that should exist at that time. So, at that point, does the timeline split again or do they just remake the games at a later point and include Z-moves?

>>31107776
there is nothing wrong with this version that anon linked. its actually more clear then the one OP posted you illiterate faggot

>>31107468
How so? It's a completely different line of evolution.

>>31107800
>there is nothing wrong with this version that anon linked.
You mean the one that DIDN'T cause this thing in the first place?
It's pretty clear that we're talking about the one in the OP you jackass.

>>31107671
There's literally no difference between what I wrote and something that GF would do, faggot.

>>31107683
It doesn't matter, all I was saying was that hypothetically if they wanted a way around having to pull a timeline split, they could've easily written their way out of it.

>>31107810
because something similar see :alolan pokemon is already a thing and it has no impact to the timeline.

>>31107825
>It's pretty clear that we're talking about the one in the OP you jackass.
not him but most people here arent braindead and understood what OP meant. just some degenrate autist who thought it trough too much and thought that everything had to be parallel.

>>31107837
>There's literally no difference between what I wrote and something that GF would do, faggot.

Lets break it down.

GF
>This didn't exist before
>It's a new timeline and it's commonplace here because of this event

You
>This didn't exist before
>Because of this event this entire land was irradiated with energy allowing it to happen but the moment you step outside of the boundaries it's impossible even if you have the right items to do so unless you're in a special man made zone

>>31107825
>You mean the one that DIDN'T cause this thing in the first place?
caused what thing? literally one samefag who didnt understood it started this whole shit the thread was pretty docile in the beginning.

>hurr this has impact on timeline and that is insignificant
/vp/ can't into multiverse theory

I can't wait until GF makes it canon that the Distortion World is a graveyard of destroyed timelines and /vp/ collectively throws an autismal fit because GF made the game universe too complicated to understand

>>31107929
multiverse theory
but this is where you are wrong retard.
this is about alternate timelines.
multiverse would be the catridges in this case.

>>31107885
You retard.
EVERYONE understood what the chart meant including this anon >>31107501 who tried to correct it and make it more of a reasonable chart instead of a sloppy one.

This anon however, which I suspect is still you anyway, >>31107530 went and acted like a complete retard in saying that the OP chart was depicting this >>31104744 when anyone that isn't fucking blind can see that it isn't for clearly obvious reasons mainly because it's barebones as fuck. And even then the second chart is a shit one too.

>>31107955
> two retards didnt get it so everyone must have been confused
use your brain

>>31107955
>acted like a complete retard in saying that the OP chart was depicting this >>31104744 #
but it literally fucking did.

>>31107905
>samefag
What does samefag even mean in this context when you're talking about one anon?
I mean you can use it when you're talking about your post here and here>>31107885 because you're obviously the same anon and are samefagging a reply.

But you're literally talking about one anon and saying they're samefagging.
The fuck?

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>>31108017
here are your (dots)

>>31107995
You have to admire the irony here.
I mean you're saying "use your brain" when you can't even read the entire post.

Just in case you didn't see it.
>EVERYONE understood what the chart meant
Literally the second line

>>31108016
You know, there's only so far you can go when you try to convince people that A is actually depicting B.

>>31107895
Jesus Christ, you're retarded. This time actually read the whole thing before you shit on your keyboard.

I'm saying:
It didn't exist before and it exists solely in this area because of weapon. Specifically, because of the energy released by the weapon.

The residual energy that soaked into the continent after the weapon's firing is what allows the mega stones (Which are concentrated energy left behind by the weapon's firing) to work. The keystone remains the link between the trainer and the mega stone, but needs to be within Kalos to work because that was the epicenter.

You've decided that "because it's not this way in the games, it's impossible for it to have been a different way". My whole fucking post was about how they could have done it without an extra timeline if they'd just written it differently.

Because Mega Evolutions even WITH a new timeline aren't fucking contrived enough that "Oh the residual energy from the weapon changed stones into different stones that if they're held by a SPECIFIC Pokemon and reacts with a SPECIFIC stone held by a trainer who has a SPECIFIC relationship with their Pokemon (This amazing plot point turned out to be ignored, didn't it?) then they gain a new stage of evolution BUT it only lasts for a single battle" is fine for you, but adding an extra layer of "And it has to be done in the SPECIFIC continent where the weapon was fired" is just too much?

>>31108069
If only it were just a simple agreement but no, your typing, sentence structure and mannerisms match up pretty much perfectly. Even how you're using terms incorrectly and misspelling them.
Not to mention there's always more than a minute between your posts.

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>>31108162
> reaching this far
tell me more about your delusional problems anon

>>31108155
>"Oh the residual energy from the weapon changed stones into different stones that if they're held by a SPECIFIC Pokemon and reacts with a SPECIFIC stone held by a trainer who has a SPECIFIC relationship with their Pokemon (This amazing plot point turned out to be ignored, didn't it?) then they gain a new stage of evolution BUT it only lasts for a single battle" is fine for you, but adding an extra layer of "And it has to be done in the SPECIFIC continent where the weapon was fired" is just too much?
You're missing one factor however.
The weapon didn't charge them up, Megastones are just ordinary meteorites with any old energy pumped into them.

Basically you're making them considerably more contrived than they actually are and adding your mess on top?
Well, it's not exactly clean by any means.

In fact you've just created a bigger mess than GF ever could.

>>31108228
stupid nigger

>>31108228
>reaching
So I take it I've hit the nail on the head then. And look just as I do that the second anon mysteriously disappears like magic!

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>>31108241
>All lysandre wanted to do was charge his JO crystal for his waifumon

>>31108252
no argument
back to >>/pol/
>>31108257
because I got nothing to do with your imaginary friend you dumbass faggot

>>31102200
shouldn't pokémon origins be in the third timeline with oras or is that its own thing

>>31102200
Thats how I always saw it.
pretty accurate depiction

>>31108287
>because I got nothing to do with your imaginary friend you dumbass faggot
Don't you mean your second persona?
I mean it was you.

>>31102200
yeah even 2chan differentiate between classic red/remake/mega.
actually thats close to one that I saw not too long ago.

>>31108368
Just so you know, 2chan are just a bunch of retards like us.

>>31108241
>because it's not this way in the games, it's impossible for it to have been a different way

It's not making an extra mess on top, it's making it slightly more contrived (Which, after how far they went in doing it, why fucking not?) while keeping everything confined within a single universe.

>us
neck yourself you autistic shitlord

>>31102200
wrong
wrong
this is so fucking wrong.
red is just an older red so how is that from another timeline?

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>>31108443
>getting this mad over one word

>>31108478
THIS
so much

>>31108531
I swear all this faggots here talking about timelines even though they know jack shit about highschool physics.

Did any of the directors ever acrtually mentioned different universes in Pokemon or did the neckbeards just invented it, so their autism don't triggers?

>>31108604
its all permavirgin neckbeard headcanon.
masuda even tweeted that the games are linear

>>31108432
>>because it's is this way in the games, it's impossible for it to have been a different way
Ftfy

>it's making it slightly more contrived
Try considerably, for one you would have to explain how or why anyone can replicate that energy field outside of Kalos in resorts and multiplayer when mega evolution is still a complete and utter mystery in XY. Hell it still is in ORAS and SM.
Two why the megastones are ineffective outside of Kalos but chunks of things like dirt or concrete somehow retain their power.
And then there's the fact that you've made it "incredibly rare and difficult" in Kalos when it was never that to begin with even in terms of the story.

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>>31108604
Delta Episode mentioned a "world without megas" which is referring to the original RSE games, making the nonmega games part of a separate timeline that isn't fully established officially as of yet, anyone that denies this is just that assblasted by zinnia

>>31108706
that was just zinnia spouting shit.
creators words> neckbeard headcanon
see>>31104107

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>>31103578
You aren't really smart.... they reference the mega evo. timeline ver. of this games. USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN

>>31108604
The directors don't have to mention anything that was actually said within the game.

>>31108742
timeline fags btfo

>>31108747
They do. There is no clear answer to deliver out the information given yet. The concept of different timelines is either unfinished or non-existent. There is no reason to discuss something that has no clear answer. It's just pointless.

>>31108854
Anon, we were literally told outright in game that there were two timelines created due to the war in Kalos 3000 years ago.
One with Mega Evolution
And one without.

I don't see how things can get clearer than that.

>>31108742
why are faggots here still debating when they got the word from masuda himself?
is it autism that doesnt let you give ita rest or are you just retarded?

>>31108742
>T-THAT WAS JUST A CHARACTER SPOUTING SHIT
Denialfags are pathetic

>"creator words"
This tweet doesn't prove or deny anything since Matsumiya doesn't mention all those games are in the same universe or not, is just a fucking list of games in order and you are trying to use it to pushing your already debunked headcanon

>>31108886
never was stated that there were two timelines created. stop spouting trash

>>31108919
>lowkey tweet from literal autist meaning more than writing from the actual games
You fags will pull anything out of your ass out of wanting an overly simplified canon

>>31102516
this t b h

>>31108942
There's literally only one way to take that statement anon.
That the war was the focal point and it occurring, or not as it may be, created a second timeline where Mega Evolution didn't exist.

>we pass along the lore about the distortions in the world borne by the Mega Evolution mechanism. And about the existence of another world, which we have long observed to be just like this one and yet not the same... That's right. A Hoenn region that's almost exactly like this one we live in. Filled with Pokémon and people like us. A world where maybe the evolution of Pokémon took a slightly different path, where Mega Evolution is unknown... A world where that war 3,000 years ago...never happened.

>>31108886
I still cannot believe the comment that kickstarted the multiverse bullshit was made by the single most hated charcater in the entire franchise

>>31108684
This entire post chain has been a hypothetical about how they could've done it to keep things within a single universe, you complete fucking moron. The entire fucking point is about things they could've done DIFFERENTLY to keep it within a single universe.

>you would have to explain
It's magic, I don't have to explain shit. How did Bill fuse himself with a Pokemon? Why did running it in reverse fix him? How do megas work? It doesn't fucking matter, all you need to do is say that someone in universe understands it and have them do it.

>mega evolution is still a complete and utter mystery in XY
Jesus fucking christ, stop doing this you fucking mongoloid.

>why the megastones are ineffective outside of Kalos
It's a two-step verification.
1. Mega Energy (To call it something other than "Energy from the weapon in the continent") is required for Mega Stones to function
2. Mega Stones require a Keystone to activate
It's like how a computer needs power to work. If you remove the power source, you can't shitpost like a retard on 4chan. You can tap away on your keyboard all you like, but nothing will happen. You need the power to be able to turn it on and only then can you show others how retarded you are.

1/2

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>>31109042
Do you have some actual research to back this up? I keep seeing the >most hated character in the entire franchise meme being brought up every time one of these threads come up

>>31108684
>>31109086
>but chunks of things like dirt or concrete somehow retain their power.
Mega Stones and Mega Energy would be separate entities completely. Mega Stones are concentrated and their wavelength matches specific Pokemon. Mega Energy is just the energy that was released when the weapon was fired and, because Kalos was the epicenter, it absorbed the most of the energy and still radiates it outward. Think of it like a harmless radiation if you have to, Kalos would still be "radioactive" and emitting the Mega Energy that allows Mega Stones to activate (>inb4 but radiation is harmful so that's impossible). Again, it was only a suggestion that they physically take bits of Kalos and make it into shit, they could just have the Inventor character come up with a way to activate Mega Stones by inventing something that constantly radiates Mega Energy. This doesn't even have to be in an arena, that was also just a suggestion, you could even go even further and have them create a portable one instead so that you could just mega evolve anywhere.

>And then there's the fact that you've made it "incredibly rare and difficult" in Kalos when it was never that to begin with even in terms of the story.
This is a moot point, it doesn't even fucking matter. Change it, don't change it. Do whatever you want, it's irrelevant to the rest of it. And AGAIN, there's no point in referring to a hypothetical as "impossible" because that wasn't within the scope of the original story. I fucking know it's different, that's why I said that this is a way they could've done the story DIFFERENTLY, you fucking mongoloid.

2/2

>>31109007
So you think the same shit that happened in R/S/E just repeated, in ORAS, 3000 years later? With the characters somehow having the same, looking almost the same, having the same family etc etc? That's is just stupid and makes no sense. Get over it.

>>31109140
This bugs me, too. If the weapon was fired, shit would've gotten fucked up. There's no way you'd make your way to the same present day as if millions of people and pokemon weren't suddenly wiped out

>>31109140
>So you think the same shit that happened in R/S/E just repeated, in ORAS, 3000 years later?
The fuck are you even talking about? No seriously, are you trying to say that ORAS is 3000 years apart from RSE or that their pasts are the same. Because aside from the Primal addition and the creation of Sootopolis their pasts are the same both timelines went through the turmoil of the legends and had Ray intervene before shit got out of hand.

>With the characters somehow having the same, looking almost the same, having the same family etc etc?
You make it sound like there's some kind of huge contradiction to be had somewhere yet you haven't presented anything.

>That's is just stupid and makes no sense.
That's how alternate timelines/universes work
>Get over it.
Coming from the person who won't let it die unless he over complicates things.

How do people not get this yet.
Look I'll explain this whole timeline with one single character

Y

>>31102383
who dis

>>31108919
I don't get it either. Masuda's words.

>>31104394
Well I'll totally believe you over the game director

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>>31102200
>third timeline
>red without his own game
>is still obscenely powerful/respected/etc

goodbye

>>31102200
None of this matters and GF will great the games as one universe anyways

>>31108928
>he doesn't mention it so I can answer for him
Badass

3rd gen red looks like a 30 year old in boy's clothing