Why the fuck is SM such a downgrade from XYZ?

>>31033813
(You)

>>31033813
Goof bait, made me respond. SM being good is a meme.

>>31033830
t. Alolababy

Name 1 (one) thing SM does even remotely better than XYZ.

XYZ lost all its momentum the moment they made the frog lose...and the internet collectively shat it self in anger afterwards.

>>31033853
I know this is bait, but
>no HMs
>no grid overworld
>option to check summary of caught Pokemon and compare it to your current party members before deciding to send it to the PC or not
>Z doesn't exist

>>31033882
The anime, you retard.

>>31033882
I think the OP is about the anime.
The only thing xyz did good was the clemont fight.

>>31033813
Is SM's ratings tanking even worse than XY?

>>31033882
You realize OP is talking about the anime, right?

>>31033895
oh uh

kind of a hard comparison, isn't it?

I mean, XY&Z has very good plot elements, but I find Sun and Moon to be better in terms of how different it is

Dirty dumb frogposting scum.

BURASTO BAAAAAAAAN

How mad would you be if he came back?

>>31033895
>>31033902
>>31033914
Why the fuck do you assume anyone would care about the anime? It's like sub-naruto shit at best.

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>>31033853
>no grid
>no HM's
>better Pokémon
>Megan's are reduced
>Z-Moves
>Gen 7>>>Gen 6 starters
>get to know champion
>No gyms
>no glam nazis
>An more sense of feeling to the region it's based on
>city's are much nicer in alola
>Chibi sprites are garbage
>fewer Kanto mons invading
>Legendarys are much better then XY
>Z never will come out


And that's about 1/2 of the list

>>31033979
Because he mentioned Ash you dumbass

>>31033979
because the OP said XYZ, there isnt a Z game fuckwit

>>31033813
Slapstick/Gags is better that robot action
>Bad ratings
HOLY SHIT this has to be bait

>>31033982
>>31033895

>>31033813
Bright and colorful to pull in younger viewers who would be scared off by any kind of drama or tension.
Entry-level waifu pandering to get the kids hooked early.

I thought we hated XYZ because Ash lost? At least that's why I hate it.

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>>31033813
>no battling
Kiawe/Ash vs Team Skull, the latest episode and the upcoming battles with Totem Gumshoos (next ep) and Hala.
>Shitposting
Every source of media has shitposters. If anything, XY and XYZ started the cancerous Amour fanbase
>Headcanon
Like every series?
>Filler
Like every pokemon anime? Even XYZ had filler
>Dullness
subjective
>Gag humor
subjective
>Waifu wars
NOTHING is as cancerous as Amourshippers. A majority of them are shitposters anyway.
>Sophocles
subjective. He hasn't done anything yet.
>Bad ratings
Sun and Moon actually got higher ratings than XYZ. Even the Kissu episode got terrible ratings.
>School
He's participating in the Island Trials

Keep in mind that you're comparing an ALREADY FINISHED anime to one in its infancy that alone proves how pointless it is to compare the 2.

Hell, XYZ isn't even the best pokemon anime. DP is.

As a big fan of XY&Z people need to fuck off with the comparisons. XY&Z is the culmination of everything in XY and the big finale whereas Sun and Moon is the beginning of a new saga. Fucking stupid comparison.

>>31034535
You just have to look at the bad art to see how shit SM is. It immediately makes XY better.

>>31033982
Well shit I thought you meant the games.

>>31034510
>Kiawe/Ash vs Team Skull
Stopped reading right there.

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>>31034699
>d-doesn't count
It still counts as a battle no matter how hard you try to stretch it.

>>31034612
>bad art
You gonna pull out some argument like still frames in a medium meant to be viewed in motion?

>>31033813
>SM
>downgrade for XY
Kek kek kek

>>31033813
Because a good game means a bad anime season.
It's for the best OP and you know it.

>>31033813
Change to a cheaper style and probably budget cuts.

>>31034819
DPPt are great games and have a great anime season too. RS, BW, XY, and SM have literally no excuse.

>>31033813

>Filler

First of all, the Pokemon anime is its own thing, there's no manga or anything it's adapting from, so there's no such thing as "filler"

Second, it look DP 16 episodes for Ash to reach his first gym battle

Ash is fighting Totem Gumshoos in episode 9, so the pace is par the course

>>31033813

>&Z

Quality bait, OP. No fucking joke, this was a good little tidbit. Have a (You).

Teen Titans Go is to Teen Titans, as SM is to XY, as RWBY chibi is to RWBY, as RedvsBlue season 14 is to Red Vs Blue season _, etc

y/n/autism?

>>31035012

Can't even be compared because TTGO is its own thing and has no relation to TT outside of the name

Why do people fixate on the art style when bitching about the SM anime?

Oh no, it's flexible and more animated, and isn't the same obnoxious artstyle that I'm used to!

Complain about the content. Pokemon was never cutting edge, but SM is even more sanitized, nonthreatening, and saccharine.

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>Plot

They started setting up plot in Lillie's episode though

>Lillie went to another mansion with Lusamine
>Something there traumatized her, and she became afraid to touch Pokemon
>Lusamine is still "working" at that mansion
>Gladion "lives somewhere else"

>>31035029
> its own thing and has no relation to TT outside of the name

No, the creators of the show regularly bank on the old series for cheap humor, even if they're way too fucking lazy to make any real connection to the old cartoon.

>TV ratings meaning shit

Most people just watch shit online these days

TV ratings mean jack shit for anime, as long as people are buying merchandise, the show goes on.

>>31035166
>Tv ratings
I forget, are people talking about the Japanese ratings or the Dub on XD?

Because Disney XD is fickle and unforgiving, and has axed shows for less than just a dip in ratings, but then again, they have less stake in just a dub so maybe they don't care.

But I assume any conversation on 4chan is never about the dub.

>>31033813
a season that's only been out for a month
compared to one that's two years
frog posters are so stupid.

>>31033904
It's tough to compare ratings from SM debut to XY debut three years ago since TV ratings are on a decline in general.

A good way is to compare it to the competition, while they don't air in the same timeslot it's a way to gauge interest.

XY was losing to Yokai Watch consistently near it's tail end. It's part of the reason why they probably felt the need to change the anime so drastically. However Yokai Watch has yet to top SM in the ratings since it's debut. Obviously there's not much of a sample size to work it but the ratings certainly aren't tanking.

>>31033857
>XYZ was only good for 130 episodes, after that it was shit!!!

>>31034438
It's usually Serenacucks behind these threads, not even nostalgiafags defend the Kanto anime so insistently.

>>31034438
We hated XYZ because they had promised all the crappy episodes we had to endure will be worth it. That XYZ will be different from all the past seasons. It gave out nothing but hype and tried to present itself as grown up with more shounen-like elements and top grade waifu-bait. Only to have it all come crashing down with Ash losing once more and Serena leaving. It's the /vp/ equivalent of No Man's Sky. The final arc wasn't the only bad element of the season but a representative of XYZ in general. All flash, no substance.

>>31033813
For a second I thought you meant the games and I was about to sperg out on you like a massive autist.

>>31034510
>Sun and Moon actually got higher ratings than XYZ
we want the yokai-watch audience.

>>31033813
>XYfags have to resort to the shitty anime to find something to stand on
>Perfect Zygarde, who is first available in S&M

>>31035766
Least you got the kiss.

>>31035766
>It's the /vp/ equivalent of No Man's Sky.
Except literally everyone knew this would happen. I don't mean "were so jaded and cynical they were pretty sure it would happen", but actually, factually "Why the fuck do these people think Pokemon won't do the same shit it always does?"

>>31033813
how can OP forget SM's biggest flaw, the hideous art style of Ash?

>>31033813
Why the fuck do you people post this nonsense outside of your containment thread? You're complaining about SM shitposting while SM shitposting.

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>>31036056
>still have more fun playing XY than SM

>>31035766
/vp/ equivalent to no man's sky should be a game that's overhyped, rushed and released in 2016.

>>31034916
> DPPt
> great games

I keep forgetting that people who were underage when Gen 4 rolled around are old enough to post on this site now. Newsflash: Gen 4 was terrible. Diamond and Pearl were actually shit. Platinum was ok, and HG/SS were acceptable. No idea why everyone jizzes over HG/SS so much anyway. It has all the glaring flaws Gen 2 had and did nothing to improve upon them.

>>31033895
Only leftist fags care for da annimê anyway you faild abortiob

>>31036712
So, Sun and Moon?

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>>31036784
>leftist fags care for da annimê
What's the logic behind this

>>31035203
Japanese, but it's just shitposting.

Japanese TV ratings get published for the top 10 highest rated shows a given week for a number of categories, one of which is cartoons. There's about 80 different cartoon shows airing a week, and Pokemon is almost always in the top 10, which is how people know what the ratings are in the first place. And top 10 out of 80 is pretty damn solid. Only a few cartoons do better.

The rating bitching is just people misrepresenting facts by comparing the numbers themselves with what they were 10 years ago, when people watched more live TV and all shows had higher ratings. Literally just "if I spam something that isn't true enough times, people will get mad and that's funny" autism.

>>31036648
>you people
>picture of fucking Pepe
You need to work on your shitposter radar.

>>31036786
yes. sun and moon is no man's sky that's fun to play and isn't full of lies.

at first i laughed
then i started reading the points and saw that it's all about anime
then i

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>>31033927
>unironically being mad that Alain destroyed Ketshit's over-reliance on muh special snowfrog

>>31037090
>isn't full of lies
i take that back, they promised gen 2 references but we didn't get any.

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>>31034510
>Sun and Moon actually got higher ratings
I was fearing a bit for Lillie there for a sec

>>31036712
XY was released three years ago anon

>>31037185
>hating on based Ash-Greninja
Fuck off back to whatever pit you came from, scum.

>>31037248
I don't hate Greninja himself, only how it made Ash into ultra Stu. I reckon you're the fuckers who keep calling him jobberfrog and blame him for ruining the anime

>>31033895
>Comparing a finished anime to the next season with only 8 episodes

We still have to get Lusamine, the UBs and Solgaleo/Lunala. I imagine it will pick up after the second season.

>>31033813
ehh, this is really a stretch.

>>31033813
Probably because we're at the start of the SM anime still. Most of the hype scenes didn't come in the first 10 episodes of XY, so why would they here?

SM's biggest problem is how hideous it looks compared to XY and XY&Z

>>31036118
And that kiss spawned an obscene amount of shitposting and tumblr-tier roleplaying about Ash and Serena in love on /padt/, and leaking out onto /vp/ in general. It's like they conveniently forgotten how subpar the rest of XY was, because she kissed him.

>>31037417
Not really.

>>31033813

maybe because it's still at episode 8?

I sometimes don't know if this board is full of trolls or underages...

>>31037442
>...

OP is an obvious troll and you're blatantly underage, so a bit of both

>>31034759
>Ash uses an attack and then kiawe does the real heavy lifting and finishes them all off on his own
Wow what an intense battle. really a testament to Ash's prowess. SM a shit.

>>31037452

uh oh, I agree, being over 20 and still wasting time on vp is what we supposed call 'underage'

I agree, now excuse me, I supposed to kill myself in answer to your answer

>>31037438
Which part of my part are you replying to as 'not really'? Because that is such a vague reply.

>>31037452
How do periods determine someone's age?

>>31035210
but XY was pretty much golden by this point.

1. XY&Z
2. DP
3. Indigo League
4. Battle Frontier
Placeholder. Sun/Moon
5. Orange Islands
6. Hoenn
7. Johto
...
...
...
9999. Best Wishes

>>31037496
Have a (You)

>>31036806
he's from /pol/ so he has to think in clumps. he associates things he don't like with people he don't like because he genuinely can't quite understand a why he dislikes [thing] in the first place.

>>31037496
Yeah, just like that battle on top of the tower against Lysandre where despite outnumbering his sole Mega-Gyarados 10+ to 1 and with several flying Pokemon, he just kept charging in a straight line towards it. Yeah, that's totally shows off the Ash's prowess.

>>31037536
And so is SM

>judging a series this early in when it still has 2.5 years to go

Autism. I don't even watch the anime, but you're retarded.

>>31037552
>have no response
>-y-y-y-(you)
>that makes my taste not shit

>>31037560
Only good thing about SM so far is that it has the possibility of getting better. other than that it ranges from mediocre to offensively shit. There hasn't been a single good episode.

>>31037558
At least in that fight Ash was still pulled his own weight and even scored the KO compared to pretty much being unnecessary like he was in the team skull encounter.

>>31037585
>calling shit, shit while it's shit is autism
>it could retroactively not be shit one day!
I think you're missing the point. Everyone welcome the idea of SM getting better. But you'd have to be crazy to pretend it's good.

>>31033813
>he thinks Zygarde is not a downside
>he thinks Lysandre is not a downside
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>31037613
Alan's Charizard did most of the heavy lifting in that battle. Ash just kept trying to zerg it despite being a proclaimed master of using unorthodox tactics. It was as bad as that BW gym battle.

>>31037613
fuck off, pokebarneyfag

>>31037638
>Alan's Charizard did most of the heavy lifting in that battle.
>Blatantly lying
Both pulled their weight equally. and of course Ash tried to zerg it. his entire team was out. do you really need a strategy for a 7v2? and even then Ash scored the KO on both Pyroar and Gyrados. SM Apologists are so desperate that they're actively denying reality.

>>31033813
The worst part of SM is that it's based on such great games.

>XY takes total non characters like Diantha and Lysandre and builds on them
>SM takes a complex character like lillie and makes her "lmao scared of le pokemon XD" and even sucks the life out of the trial captains and makes them "le friendly classmates". why? why does SM refuse to be a good anime?

>>31037548
You know what? I'm totally ok with this. I'd switch DP and XYZ, but I'm still ok with this.

>>31037548
DP should be moved down just because of the absolutely awful filler eps, dp is only good if you only watch the plot-relevant eps.

>>31037243
XY's hype was tiny compared to hype that SM got.

but yeah both XY and SM are rushed.

>>31037745
The XY games were total shit though, it's hard to write something worse and SM is barely starting, Lillie is already overcoming her fear and they showed Lusamine and Gladio.

Seriously, why are you guys even comparing a finished series with a starting one?

>>31038000
that's BS
SM got no hype while XY is the reason why /padt/ exists the way that it does

Is this no battling thing in sm true?
You'd think they'd have ash get every z crystal and try to show em a off with his pokemon.

>>31038012
Because XY's start was extremely strong. The two first episodes being as good as they were is what led a LOT of people to pick up the anime again. The attitude towards the show was extremely positive at the time, and it had already set up multiple angles that people were genuinely interested in.

SM has none of that, and half the time the people that claim to love what SM is doing seem more interested in shitting on XY than on discussing the show itself. The difference is night and day.

>>31038046
>Is this no battling thing in sm true?
No.

>Trailer for upcoming events
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okLq9SfVJFk

>>31038046
No, they are shitposting. Ash is taking his first test in episode 9 and there is also a previewof upcoming with Ash battling Hala and getting Normalium Z.

>>31038062
>it took nine episodes for a serious battle to happen

>>31038046
is ash getting all the starters again? That's generally a bad sign.

>>31038056
>Because XY's start was extremely strong
Maybe the first two episodes, subsequents episodes had the usual filler with TR and the usual Gym battle lost and rematch.

>>31033813
>jobberninja steall all the spotlight of all ash's pokemon and their development
>aside of bonnie all ash's friends suck ass
>serena the most bland character only liked for trying to suck ash dick

XYZ a shit , DP is still the best

>>31038082
You didn't watch the first special, right?

>>31038090
he wont get popplio
that will stay with lana

>>31038090
No, Suiren has Popplio and Litten is wild at the moment.

>>31038090
Lana has Popplio.

>>31038098
More than SM had.

>>31033813
>downgrade
>best game of the franchise
kek

>>31038120
Yeah it had more TR than SM has so far.

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>We will never get this thread archived

>>31038108
I didnt. If i ever end up watching sm ill probably just wait for a signifigant reason to take the pokemon anime off the shelf. I tried to like ash again but as long as hes a incompetent baffoon i see no reason too. Unless something kickass happens.

>>31033853
>XYZ

AHAHAHA the bait ain't even subtle

>>31038162
Then why are you posting shit about a series you are not even watchig?

>>31038152
>he doesn't know the archives
kill yourself my friend

>>31038175
I liked it when i was a kid almost religiously. And i dont know anymore why i hate it.

>>31038102
>jobberninja steall all the spotlight of all ash's pokemon and their development
>Pikachu
>Hawlucha
>Talonflame
>Noivern
>not spotlight and development

>DP the best, the series in which Infernape literally steall Pikachu rivality with Paul's Electrivire
>also the one true Ash' special snowflake whose Blaze ability is better than regular one without any excuse, unlike Greninja who actually have a good ability

>also not knowing what "jobber" means

kek DPfags are delusional

>>31038022 (you)
>SM got no hype
(you) fucking asshole.

>>31033813
Truth is, the XY director had experience as animation director, so the visuals were very important to him.

>>31038310
And the SM director worked on many of XY's most dramatic and important episodes.

>>31037185
>"Greninja is overpowered!!!!!!"
>Was never able to defeat Alain
>"Alain is so awesome!!!!!!!"
ok

>>31038423
Good for him I guess?

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>>31037613
>it ranges from mediocre to offensively shit
>"It's not a super serious actionpacked shonen for mature boys like me, so it's objectively shit"
I'm glad you're not getting what you want. You should try out /a/, as it sounds more like your style, from now on and let us optimistic people enjoy what we have and like

>>31038454
>destroys everything prior like a shitty Stu
>finally downed
>actually wanting it to win evrrything in the first place
>character can't be good because he defeated Ash
Kek

>>31037548
>XYZ above DP
>Orange Islands above Hoenn
>Johto above Unova

Nice shit taste

>>31038538
/a/ thinks XY/XYZ was SAO: The pokemon series.

>>31038653
Of course. The only people who like XYZ are either Serenafags, people who thought that Unova was the devil, or both.

>>31037745
Diantha didn't show up until episode 28 and Lysandre was in a special post episode 66

Lillie by SM 07 has a established backstory behind her phobia of Pokemon and will clearly have a role later on involving her phobia which was likely caused by Lusamine being a shit.

I would suggest waiting until SM is at least 60 episodes in before you start making such comparisons by using such characters.

>>31038777
>people who thought that Unova was the devil
Most people?

>>31038990
>the only people who liked XY are most people
That does sound about right

I will never understand why people think that garbage was good, probably just waifufags and naruto/SAO cancer.

The anime was always shit and it will never change.

>>31038653
>listening to /a/

Next you're going to tell me you go to /v/ for videogame advice, or /tv/ to ask for movies recommendations.

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>This thread

>>31038990
Most generalfags, yeah

>caring about the anime period

>>31039080
Yes, anon. /vp/ as a whole loved BW and thought Iris was the best anime girl by far. It's only some stubborn faggots in some general that disagree.

>>31039101
Unova wasn't good, but it wasn't the worst the anime ever went through. /vp/ is full of shit opinions, so it's no surprise that most would think it's worse than a true shit series like Johto.

>>31033813
it isn't, that's why. kill yourself.

>>31036777
t. Unovabortion

Still salty that the majority of /vp/ prefer Gen 4 over Gen 5 now? Don't worry buddy, you'll get the chance to shine some other time :^)

>>31039016
/vp/ unironically likes naruto and thinks xyz is good, so yeah I'd rather take /a/'s opinion

>>31039599
>Still salty that the majority of /vp/ prefer Gen 4
Dude /vp/ still hates 4

The anime was never good and it never will be good. You're arguing about whether dogshit smells worse than horseshit.

It's a commercial

The director (at the time anyway) has gone on record saying that they don't give a crap about older viewers

http://www.pokebeach.com/2008/07/second-pokemon-interview-with-masamitsu-hidaka-many-interesting-points

>Now an overall question about the show. Will Ash ever become a Pokemon Master? He laughed and fell back on the couch. He blatantly said that when Ash becomes a Pokemon Master, the show will end. It will be the last episode. Going back to my first interview, I did not mention that he stated the show was cyclical because it could be the audience is constantly replaced (since children get older and leave, and new children come in), so they are allowed to get away with having the same repetitive goal.

>Kids watch show
>Kids grow up and realize it's just an advertisement for games and merchandise, and stop watching, or accept it for what it is (like the Transformers fanbase)
>New kids replace the ones that quit watching, and cycle starts anew

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one day a meteor will hit the Earth, but still we may never get to see Ash win that fucking championship.

>>31040935

Winning a league isn't Ash's goal, being a Pokemon Master is. He's stated before that winning a league won't make him a Pokemon Master, it'll just bring him one step closer to becoming one.

He's already won the Orange League and the Battle Frontier, and in the latter, he was offered a chance to become a Frontier Brain, but turned it down so he could keep travelling.

Win or lose, Ash will keep travelling around the world, because "Pokemon Master" is an intentionally nebulous goal to keep the show going as long as as necessary (read: as long as the Pokemon franchise lives). As long as the Pokemon franchise continues, so will Ash and Pikachu's adventures.

XY has ended in a fire blast

>>31039615
Not as much as Gen 5 :^)

Sauce: that poll we had not that long ago

>>31033813
It's become a recent trend for generations with good games to have shitty anime, and vice versa.

Gen 5 was one of the high points of the game series, and had one of the worst anime seasons.

Gen 6 is currently the lowest point of the game series, and as such had the best anime, even if it all went to hell when they made Ash lose the league for the sixth time in a row.

Gen 7, while not my favorite, is a notable step up from XY and ORAS in the game department, so obviously the anime has to get worse.

>>31033813
The anime has never been good

>>31041833
>and as such had the best anime

No, that was DP

>>31041862
Sinnoh league is still the best league arc, nothing else will ever come close.

>>31041424
Pokemon Master is such a dumb goal though. Is that even a goal anymore in the games? It's so outdated and not even properly explained what a Master is or what they do.

>>31041975
two genders

>>31041975
>anymore
Was it ever?
Also, bla bla genders.

How did the Ashnime even manage to make it to its 20th season when all people do is complain about it?

Simple; because the complainers are still watching it, and the butthurt only gives the show more publicity

While you type away at your computer in autistic rage, the producers are laughing their way to the bank with the money you gave them

>>31041986
Red and Blue and maybe Gold and Silver.
I think it was dropped around Ruby and Sapphire.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_Master

>>31042058

It was mentioned in Gold and Silver, yeah.

>Lance in GSC: The journey to becoming the Pokémon Master is long and difficult. Knowing that, will you keep going?

>Lance in HGSS: The journey to becoming the Pokémon Champion is long and difficult. Knowing that, will you keep going?"

They changed it from "Pokemon Master" to "Pokemon Champion".

The games never mention the term "Pokemon Master" anymore, but as for the anime, it's the main character's goal, so they're stuck with it.

The only thing XYZ has going for it is the beautiful animation. If you think anything else in that series is worth a shit, you're fucking stupid. The narrative quality is on the same level of fucking Bleach and it's not as stupid as Bleach so it's not even fun.

>>31042225
Not an excuse, just a pattern people have noticed.

>>31041833
Stop it, gens 5 and 6 have no excuse for not having both good games and a good anime season. Gen 4 did both just fine, so again, literally no excuse.

>>31042084
Pokemon Master basically meant "the best Pokemon trainer ever", and only made sense in a game context back in gen 1 and 2, where the Indigo Elite Four was presented as the only Elite Four in the world.
After later gens introduced the idea that each region has their own E4 and Champion and that beating them doesn't even make you the best trainer in the country, they quietly ditched the term.

>>31041988
cause the complainers make up a very small percentage of the total watchers

the complainers are all legal adults (mentally still children)

most watchers are actual children.

>>31042257
Again, not an excuse, just a recent trend. I don't even watch the anime, I'm just observing things casually. Since Gen 5 the quality of the games has been inversely proportional to the quality of the anime.

>>31042263

Basically this.

What Ash is chasing is the title of "best Pokemon Trainer in the world".

I.E. Something that'd realistically take a lifetime to achieve, if it's even possible at all.

And even if he did achieve it, it's still just a title and would mean nothing compared to all the experiences he's had and friends he's made along the way.

>>31041988
It's a commercial for the games.